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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Bellevue on Thursday 07 October 10 10:37 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I would love to make contact with anyone that has any information on the O'Donnell's of Clonmel / Shanballyard / Clerihan areas. Or if you think you may have a connection with any of the below names and places.
Some information:
Andrew O' Donnell born 1797, died 1870 married ?
Children
William (born 1849?) married 1874 Ellen O'Neill of Derrinlar - children - Mary Cleary, Katty, Maggie O' Sullivan, Ellen, Annie & Andrew married Hacket of Glenbawn
Edmond (born 1859?) married Mary O' Donnell of Quarryhole - children - Mary, Andrew, William, Edmond and maybe more
John
Ellen married James Hally of Clogharden Ardfinnan
Margaret married John Keily of Ballinavora
Catherine married Patrick Keating of Kilnaracy
Thank you in advance.
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My Great Great Grandparents lived in Shanballyard and Clashavadra. Their name was (O')Grady/Gready. I don't know of any connection to the O'Donnells though.
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Hello Mick,
Yes I see a John Grady at Clashavaddra. If I ever come across a connection I'll let you know.
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Catherine and Patrick Keating of Kilnaracy were my great grandparent on my mothers side
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PatCro,
Thanks for your reply. I have done abit more research since posting my initial message. I do not think the the above Catherine O' Donnell is an ancestor of mine. It says on the marriage cert that her father was dead in 1889 which would be to early. What townland is your Catherine from?
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From her marriage certificate 11th May 1889 she was from Shanballard, Clonmel.
Her fathers name was Andrew and he was a farmer. He was noted on the marriage certificate as being dead at the time of the wedding. Based on her entry in the 1901 Irish census she was born in 1859.
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Can you confirm who Catherine's siblings are? So as I can officially cross her off my list!
I'm not sure where Shanballard is, maybe its Shanballyard?
I have a good bit of info relating to O' Donnells from Maginstown and Graigue. You can contact me directly on (*) if you think I may be able to help you out!
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hi
i reside in Australia and i just started tracing my wifes irish ancestors her gg grandfather Patrick Phelan married Margaret O'Donnell in Clerihan, county of Tipperary approx 1876
i haven't been able to find any other info on their families
is it possible that this Margaret O'donnell is connected to the O'Donnells you have tracked
regards
neale
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I don't have any more information on Catherine's siblings but here is what I can get from the censuses. Shanballard I think is a misspelling of Shanballyard. Looking at Griffiths Valuation there was an entry for Andrew O'Donnell in 1850 in Shanballyard
see Griffiths Valuation Entry http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=1180076&county=Tipperary,%20south%20riding&barony=Iffa%20&%20offa,%20east&parish=Inishlounaght&townland=%3Cb%3EShanballyard%3C/b%3E
In the 1901 and 1911 Censuses there is an Edmund O'Donnell living in Shanballyard aged 40 who would be the right age to be a sibling of Catherine. Also his first born boy is called Andrew which would imply his fathers name was Andrew
see 1901 Census entry http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=o%27donnell&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shanballyard&ded=Ballyclerahan&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
and
1911 Census entry http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=o%27donnell&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shanballyard&ded=Ballyclerahan&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
In 1826 tithes there is a William Donnell in Shanballyard
see: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/InishlounaghtTithes.htm
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hi
i reside in Australia and i just started tracing my wifes irish ancestors her gg grandfather Patrick Phelan married Margaret O'Donnell in Clerihan, county of Tipperary approx 1876
i haven't been able to find any other info on their families
is it possible that this Margaret O'donnell is connected to the O'Donnells you have tracked
regards
neale
It's possible but until I get really 'into' my O' Donnell branch, I wont be any to confirm!
Can you give me any other info relating to this Margaret?
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I don't have any more information on Catherine's siblings but here is what I can get from the censuses. Shanballard I think is a misspelling of Shanballyard. Looking at Griffiths Valuation there was an entry for Andrew O'Donnell in 1850 in Shanballyard
see Griffiths Valuation Entry http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=1180076&county=Tipperary,%20south%20riding&barony=Iffa%20&%20offa,%20east&parish=Inishlounaght&townland=%3Cb%3EShanballyard%3C/b%3E
In the 1901 and 1911 Censuses there is an Edmund O'Donnell living in Shanballyard aged 40 who would be the right age to be a sibling of Catherine. Also his first born boy is called Andrew which would imply his fathers name was Andrew
see 1901 Census entry http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=o%27donnell&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shanballyard&ded=Ballyclerahan&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
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1911 Census entry http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=o%27donnell&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shanballyard&ded=Ballyclerahan&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
In 1826 tithes there is a William Donnell in Shanballyard
see: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/InishlounaghtTithes.htm
As I've discovered the past few weeks there's ALOT of O' Donnell's around this area. I have two death certs for an Andrew O' Donnell, d.1870 & d.1898. I still have to confirm which is my Andrew! (Its hard to get the time!!) I'll should have it sorted early next year hopefully!
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Shanballyard is not that big an area and has had only one o'donnell falily living there since 1820 from the records. On either of those death certs did it say Shanballyard?. If they are both then I would suspect father and son. What ages were on the certs?.
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Shanballyard is not that big an area and has had only one o'donnell falily living there since 1820 from the records. On either of those death certs did it say Shanballyard?. If they are both then I would suspect father and son. What ages were on the certs?.
Sorry I should have been more specific, I meant there is alot of O' Donnell's in the Clerihan area.
Looking at the death cert again I was mistaken, I do know which Andrew is William's father. My g.g.g grandfather Andrew O' Donnell died 08-Nov-1898, aged 81, the informant was his son and William's brother Edmond.
I also have a death cert for an Andrew O' Donnell (just gives Clerihan as place of death) died 13-Dec-1870 aged 73, he's married and the informant was Patrick O' Donnell of Patrick's Well.
There is also another Andrew O' Donnell died 8-Sep-1928 aged 68 from Clerihan, buried in old Clerihan graveyard. His wife was, Eleanor Slatery died 18-Sep-1933, aged 67.
You said Catherine's father was dead when she married. So she could not be a brother of William.
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In 1826 tithes there is a William Donnell in Shanballyard
see: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/InishlounaghtTithes.htm
I'm sure your correct but is Dannill a variation of O' Donnell? I can't find any confirmation of it on the web!
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In another Tipperary parish I have come across Donnell and Danniel /Daniel surnames for the same family.
annclare
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Here is the full extent of what I know. Shanballyard is a 322 acre townland within what was the District Electoral Division of Ballyclerahan. This is in the Barony of Iffa and Offa and the Civil parish of Inishlounacht. In 1850 Andrew O'Donnell was a tenant farmer there with 11 acres. The landlord was John Scully who also lived there. In 1825 from the Tithe list there was a James Scully living there and a William Donnell (spelt Danniel /Daniel). As these are not Irish names typically found in the area and are phonetically very similar to Donnell it is reasonable to assume that it is Donnell. From her marriage certificate Catherine was Andrew's daughter.
Tracking forward to the 1901 census we find that Edmund O'Donnell aged 40 is the head of family and owner of a farm in Shanballyard. His first born son is named Andrew and there was an Edmund O'Donnell born in 1861 whos father was Andrew. There is no address on the Birth Cert so it is hard to be sure if it is the same Andrew. It says he was baptized in Ardfinnan Parish which is 10km from Shanballyard and his mother is Ellen Wall. Based on the census data I would assume that Edmund is Catherine's younger brother.
I can't find any trace of Andrew O' Donnell who died 8-Sep-1928 aged 68 or his wife Eleanor in either the 1901 or 1911 Irish census which is odd. In the past I have found that ages on death certs can be fairly suspect. Do you have a town land for them?
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I'm glad you came to this board! You've got me focused on the O' Donnell's again after some time out!
I never looked at Ardfinnan, as you say its not too far away. Had a quick look and there are quiet a few O' Donnell records. I don't see Edmond O' Donnell born 1861 though. You seam convinced Catherine is a sibling of Edmond and William even though her father is stated as dead by 1889. On Edmond marriage cert 23-Feb-1895, it does not mention his father as being dead. Was it the NORM to state if either the grooms or brides father was dead at time of marriage, or could some slip through the net? I did not locate any birth certs for either Edmond or William, you say Edmond's mother was Ellen Wall, do you know Catherine's mother?
Wait a minute, I just looked at marriage cert of Catherine again, could the transcriber have inserted it wrongly into the computer. Catherine is in the husband column and Patrick is in the Wife column. It says "wife's father dead" maybe it should be 'husbands father dead'. Long shot?
William called his fourth child Ellen (but he married an Ellen too)
Children
Mary
Catherine
Margaret
Ellen
Bridget
Annie
Andrew Christopher
Sorry, that was a typo,
Andrew O' Donnell died 8-Sep-1828 aged 68 from Clerihan, buried in old Clerihan graveyard. His wife was, Eleanor Slatery died 18-Sep-1833, aged 67.
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I just noticed that Ellen is the witness on Catherine marriage certificate. Do you know what happened to William?. As he was the eldest you would have expected him to inherit the farm rather than Edmund. Also as there was a William Donnell in 1825 he was most likely Andrews father and it would be consistent that his first born male would be called William. Also 10 years is a long time in those days between Children. Do you have his marriage certificate and if so what townland is on it. Is it Shanballyard?
The 1901 Census would put Catherine's birth year at 1859 and Edmund's at 1861.
Clerihan is a village rather than a townland. It is in the Civil parish of Newchapel which has 27 townlands. Newchapel is beside the Civil parish of Ballyclerahan which the townland of Shanballyard is in.
Andrew and Eleanor O'Donnell do not appear in either the 1901 or 1911 census. Do you have a townland for them?
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William ran a shop on Cashel Street, Clonmel. He was a coal merchant, Bacon curer & sold milk which he got from his cows which grazed where the current playing pitches of Clonmel Og are. During the winter when the cows were dry some were moved to a field in Graigue. I do not know if he inherited or bought this property yet. It is still standing, it is the building before the new carpark, I think its called 'Suir Island Carpark'.
William O' Donnell contributed to Burkes History of Clonmel book and is listed at the back of the book as a sponsor. He also contributed monies towards purchasing diamonds or something for the Sisters of Mercy Tabernacle, which is currently in Clonmel Museum.
Maybe he had a bit of an entrepreneur streak in him or could not wait around for the father to hand over the farm! His father Andrew is listed in Bassetts Directory 1889 as a farmer in Shanballyard & William in Cashel Street. I suppose when he died Edmond was the one left on the farm.
There is still the question of why Catherine's father is stated as dead & the fact that William & Edmonds father did not die until 1897. What do you think of my theory that it is a typo by the person inserting it on the computer? Do you have a copy of the original marriage cert or just the one off rootsireland.ie, like I have?
No I do not have a birth cert for William, I think he may have been born just a tad to early, but maybe all records have not been copied, I'm just going by rootsireland.
The Edmond & Eleanor were dead by 1901, see my previous message.
Just looking at marriage certs.
Edmond (witness Patrick O' D) & Williams (witness Willaim O' D) siblings are
Margaret married 22-Apr-1879 (Kate O' Donnell witness, sister?)
Ellen married 17-Sep-1872 (Catherine O' Donnell witness, your Cath. MAYBE!!)
*Catherine witness is Ellen (same as above?)
Guess**John married 17-Mar-1886 (Address given as Clonmel & occupation as Shopkeeper, maybe working with William in shop?)
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That is really interesting. I have seen errors before. Sometimes it happens in transcription. So it is possible that it is the mother that was dead. The main item that convinces me that Andrew, Catherine and Edmund are related is the documented link to Shanballyard. Does the Andrew on the death cert have Shanballyard as his address?. Where is William documented as being from Shanballyard?. When did he die?
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Ellen married James Hally of Clogharden Ardfinnan
James Hally is my relative, He married Ellen ODonnell 17 Sep 1872 St Mary's Clonmel.
father Andrew is not listed as dead (but I did not check orig) Ellen lives in Shanballard.
wit. Catherine ODonnell and John Quinn. When I was in Ireland we went to Clerihan looking
for more Hallys as family seemed to think we were from there, but there were no Hallys in Church records
thus it must have been ODonnell side. Hallys lived in Cloghardeen Ardfinnan but some of family attended
church in Clonmel.
Dan USA San Diego
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I am O'Donnell who lives in Australia. My grandfather (born 1880 in New Zealand) told me many years ago that the family came from Clonmel, but I know very little else. I assume that they left Ireland during the 1870s. I do know that they came to Australia when he was a child, so possibly around 1890s. My father was an only child, and there were 4 daughters and one son in my immediate family, there are now two more generations of our O'Donnells here, and so far, no one has done any family research. My husband and I visited Ireland briefly in 1980, but we were on a bus trip and did not have time to do any research then.
I would be very interested to hear if there are any records showing details of O'Donnell family members from the Clonmel area coming to this part of the world some time in the 1870s.
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You need to give names, dates and anything else you have before anyone can help
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Hi, I have a friend who is doing his family tree and he descends from John O'Donnell, of Dangan, son of Andrew O'Donnell of Quarryhole, John married twice (1) Margaret Kearney 1868 (2) Mary Fox 1877, and they had the following family, Andrew, born? married Alice Dunlae, William, born 29th July 18880, Edmond, born 20th April 1882 married Catherine Cotter, Michael born 20th Oct 1883, John Born in 1885? and Thomas was born in 1890? are they any relation to your O'Donnells? JB
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Good possibility. I sent you a message.
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....they had the following family, Andrew, born? married Alice Dunlae, William, born 29th July 18880, Edmond, born 20th April 1882 married Catherine Cotter, Michael born 20th Oct 1883, John Born in 1885? and Thomas was born in 1890?
John O'Donnell born 9 October 1885 at Dangan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02622/1967684.pdf
James Hally is my relative, He married Ellen ODonnell 17 Sep 1872 St Mary's Clonmel.
father Andrew is not listed as dead (but I did not check orig) Ellen lives in Shanballard.
Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11318/8153464.pdf
Ellen living in Shanballyard townland
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/iffa-and-offa-east/inishlounaght/ballyclerahan/shanballyard/
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....Andrew, born? married Alice Dunlae....
Andrew O'Donnell married Alice Dunlea on 8 February 1910 at Ballyporeen RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09978/5628098.pdf
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Andrew O'Donnell married Alice Dunlea on 8 February 1910 at Ballyporeen RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09978/5628098.pdf
Some more information for those who may be following this thread-
Andrew and Alice O'Donnell - 1911 census
House 4 in Dangan (Ballyporeen, Tipperary).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballyporeen/Dangan/814309/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003291252/
Their daughter Mary 4 months old, but no birth record can be found. Can anyone else find it?
Andrew O'Donnell died in 1919 at Dangan. His cause of death - phthisis. His widow Alice was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05148/4419243.pdf
Alice O'Donnell died in 1959 aged 84 yrs at Dangan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1959/04354/4128005.pdf
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From her marriage certificate 11th May 1889 she was from Shanballard, Clonmel.
Her fathers name was Andrew and he was a farmer. He was noted on the marriage certificate as being dead at the time of the wedding.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5917963.pdf
Andrew O'Donnell was 'alive' at the 1889 wedding - compare with Patrick Keating below him who was 'dead'.
He died at Shanballyard on 8 November 1898 aged 81 yrs. His son Edmond was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05810/4644864.pdf
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William (born 1849?) married 1874 Ellen O'Neill of Derrinlar - children - Mary Cleary, Katty, Maggie O' Sullivan, Ellen, Annie & Andrew married Hacket of Glenbawn
Andrew O'Donnell married Mary Hackett on 20 October 1937 at St Mary's RC Church, Cahir.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1937/08912/5223325.pdf
O'Donnell in 1911 census (including Andrew Christopher).
House 55 in Cashel Street (Clonmel West Urban, Tipperary).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clonmel_West_Urban/Cashel_Street/817976/
Birth record - Christopher Andrew O'Donnell born 26 December 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02092/1797589.pdf
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To the RootsChat .Com Team,
Thank you for sending through some information on the O'Donnells of
Clonmel. I know my O'Donnell ancestors came from Clonmel. My Paternal
Great Grandparents were from Clonmel and left there I think in 1870's.
Unfortunately I know very little about my O'Donnell ancestors and would
like to know more.
Somewhere there would be information about family members who left
Ireland, but I am unsure where to look.
My Grandfather was born in New Zealand and came to Australia some time
after his birth in 1880, but I am having difficulty tracing their
movements. I know there were 4 children in the family, 3 boys and 1
girl. My grandfather's name was Edward William O'Donnell, he married my
grandmother Annie Maria Walsh in Melbourne Australia in 1905.
Christine Clancy
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Ellen married James Hally of Clogharden Ardfinnan
James Hally is my relative, He married Ellen ODonnell 17 Sep 1872 St Mary's Clonmel.
father Andrew is not listed as dead (but I did not check orig) Ellen lives in Shanballard.
wit. Catherine ODonnell and John Quinn. When I was in Ireland we went to Clerihan looking
for more Hallys as family seemed to think we were from there, but there were no Hallys in Church records
thus it must have been ODonnell side. Hallys lived in Cloghardeen Ardfinnan but some of family attended
church in Clonmel.
Dan USA San Diego
There are Hallys in the New Inn area which is not far, about 2 miles or so, from Shanballyard. When looking at Church records it's important to note that marriages were usually performed in the brides parish. Shanballyard is in the Parish of St. Mary's in Clonmel, even though it is surrounded by other parishes. In fact it's in a different Diocese.
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There are Hallys in the New Inn area which is not far, about 2 miles or so, from Shanballyard.
The village of New Inn NW of Shanballyard townland.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5552065#map=13/52.4290/-7.8458
Shanballyard is a 322 acre townland within what was the District Electoral Division of Ballyclerahan. This is in the Barony of Iffa and Offa and the Civil parish of Inishlounacht.
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/iffa-and-offa-east/inishlounaght/ballyclerahan/shanballyard/