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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: Pistolero on Saturday 09 October 10 22:03 BST (UK)
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Hello Behindthefrogs,
I am David Middleton Edelen II from Alabama, my dad being from Maryland and our ancestor Richard Edelen came from Middlesex, England in 1664. His fathr and grandfather and them lived at Hatchend, Pinner Marsh, Harrow on the Hill, Middlesex, England.
Anyway, I have seen his Coat of arms from several relatves and it is just like the one under your name. So, are you an Edelen? Although I have seen one where it was just like that but with some sort of cross over it, but I can't remember just how it lay over it. I have also seen a supposedly very old Coat of Arms for Edelen which consisted of a silver shield with red ankor cross on it.
From what I have read the name was orginally FitzEdelin, then changed to Edlyn/Edlin. My immigrant ancestor Richard's grandmother, who was Prussian, wanted the name to sound and look more German so she changed her children's names to "Edelen". One of her sons was Phillip Edelen, some sort of big time preacher or something with a relief of him carved on a church wall somewhere over there. It was his son Richard which came to America in 1664 with a son and his wife, Elizabeth Banton, daughter of Lord Pannawell, whoever in the world that was.
It intrigues me that you have the same Coat of Arms an Edelen cousin of mine sent me saying that was the one our ancestor had. My Uncle and I chose for our own the older one with the Silver Shield with the red anchor cross on it. A guy told me that one was awarded the bearer for his services in the 1st crusade.
Are you kin to the FitzEdlin, Edlyn, Edlins, Edelens? Here in America over time some of our branches have become mispelled and they spell our name Edlen, Edelin, etc.. Richard Edelen who came over from Middlesex signed his name on the ship's log or what ever it was as Edelen, so that is the correct spelling now, at least of our line. Look forward to hearing fropm you.
Dave
Alabama
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The coat of arms I use as my avatar are those of Henry Edlyn of Aldenham which appear on his tomb and various other documents. They were adopted by the Edelen family who emigrated to Maryland but there is no proof that they were actually entitled to use them. In fact even in the 17th century when Rev Samuel Edlyn, who was descended from Henry, tried to claim these arms with the Hampshire Herald there seems to have been some confusion which was not sorted out before he died.
I know that when Cronian Edelen tried to register a right to them he was awarded a different coat of arms with differences which were derived from the arms of the Offley family. This seems to indicate that the College of Arms were also unable to confirm the link.
The problem occurs because the Edelen line can be traced back to William Edlyn of Pinner who died in 1558, but no relationship has been shown as far as I know to Henry of Aldenham who died in 1595, whose children were born around 1560 and who seems to have been the son of Roger Edlyn. There is further confusion caused by various pedigrees which wrongly show a descent of the Edelen line from Richard Edlin of Woodhall who was a founder of Harrow School. He never married and died intestate. The Woodhall branch goes back to 1520 and there is some weak evidence that they were related to branch from which the Edelen line eminates. However I don't think an actual link has ever been established
Incidently my family no proven descent from any of these lines although our Edlins came from the Ruislip/Pinner area in the 18th century.
David
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Going back to my original comment on the original thread there is no real proof that the Edlyn line goes back to Wiliam FitzEdelin de Burgh. The use of patronyms at that time makes it almost impossible to establish a pedigree unless other evidence is available. It would be convenient to assume that his descendants who frequently were given the names Richard and William founded the Middlesex and leicestershire branches of the family.
A study of that coat of arms does offer a crumb of evidence that there could be a link to William FitzEdlin.
His coat of arms consisted mainly of a field of ermine with a fleur de lis as a canton. The ermine field is also used in the Edlin arms.
William seems to have been descended from the Dukes of Bolougne through the family of William the Conqueror's mother. The swans head used in the crest of the Edlin arms does indicate a very close link to the Bolougne line. Similarly the fesse could be a reference to King William's mother Herleve de Falaise being the daughter of a tanner but this relationship is itself doubtful.
However this is only speculation and it could well be that the original arms were constructed from a vague understanding of the history which I am now trying to use them to prove.
David
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The entitlement to a coats of arms is of course hereditary passed through the eldest son. In the case of the Edelen line Richard who emigrated to Maryland had an elder brother Christopher to whom the arms would have passed. I am however not sure whether he had any male offspring.
However their father Phillip certainly had an elder brother Richard whose descendants would have inherited any coat of arms. Thus even if there had been a direct line to the Edelen branch the arms should not have passed to the family in the USA.
The College of Arms would not have looked back any further and this gives a logical explanation of how those granted to Cronian Edelen were derived.
David
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Hey Behindthefrogs,
No the site never notified me nor notified me of your last three replies, which I enjoy and appreciate. Again, it is a pleasure to correspond with the only English Edelen/Edlin I have ever met. I understand how the laws of heraldry work, and that the younger sons devised their own using elements of their fathers, mothers, etc.. Like I said, the coat of arms I saw thaty my great aunt researched and found was just like yours, but had a black straight cross centered in the upper field.
But I could not attach the pic I spoke of. The site said that there was already an attachment from me. But the one it spoke of was the first one I tried and at that time it said it was too big to attach. Email me at (*) and I will send the other Coat of Arms I mentioned.
Oh well, that one, the one with a plain silver shield and red anchor cross, was sent to us by one of the outfits you can "order" your coat arms from, etc.. It might not even be real, who knows. But a guy who claimed to know these things that I showed it to said the bearer of that arm was awarded it for his services in the 1st Crusade, that he was one of 900 mounted knights. How would he know that, and how did he know that there were only 900 mounted knights there? Does anyone know how many mounted knights were there?!? He went on to say that the old story "901 Arabian Knights" was actually about those 900 mounted knights in the army of Christendom. My uncle got a gold ring and had that coat of arms engraved on it. It is a beautiful ring and I like the coat of arms too. He adopted it as his own. How would one adapt a coat of arms legally, according to the laws of heraldry, or register it as you called it?
I thought that perhaps the reason the cross (it was a straight cross without the curled ends) was on the one my great aunt said was our immigrant ancestor's, which is just like yours other than the cross, was due to that earlier one with the anchor cross. I sort of like it too.
Dave
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Hey David,
I read somewhere that eventually they changed the heraldric laws and granted all sons to carry their father's coat of arms because it had gotten too complicated with a myriad of guys with all sorts of designs on theri shields, etc.. That would make sense too. Because if all sons could carry theri father's, then from then on any descendent knew by that coat of arms who his descendent was, rather than a bunch of descendents with a myriad of designs due to the old laws.
I had a friend by the name of Smith who got tired of trying to figure out what Coat of Arms was for him, so he just got pen, pencil and paper and designed his own and got it registered somewhere.
Later,
Dave
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I read somewhere that eventually they changed the heraldric laws and granted all sons to carry their father's coat of arms because it had gotten too complicated with a myriad of guys with all sorts of designs on theri shields, etc.. That would make sense too. Because if all sons could carry theri father's, then from then on any descendent knew by that coat of arms who his descendent was, rather than a bunch of descendents with a myriad of designs due to the old laws.
In England the use of cadency marks tends to be "ignored" rather than the law being changed. The second son of a second son would have a crescent upon a crescent and his second son.... ad infinitum. In Scotland, however, the laws are quite strict. The eldest son or designated heir will use their father's Arms as of right but any siblings will have to register/matriculate new Arms. Whilst living under their father's roof they have the courtesy use of his Arms with an appropriate cadency mark.
Yours aye
Stephen
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I had a friend by the name of Smith who got tired of trying to figure out what Coat of Arms was for him, so he just got pen, pencil and paper and designed his own and got it registered somewhere.
Residents of the USA are not subject to the laws of heraldry of other nations. If US citizens cannot claim descent from an armigerous ancestor they are quite free to adopt Arms at will. The main caveat is that it is considered bad manners to simply use or copy the Arms of someone else.
Yours aye
Stephen
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However we need to remember that we are talking about the late 16th and early 17th century. At that time cadency was fairly strictly observed in England, and Maryland where the Edelens first settled was a British Colony.
One of the main pieces of evidence of their use of the arms that we are discussing was that these were painted on the doors of a coach which I believe dated back to the 17th century. Unfortunately it was destroyed by a fire in the first half of the 20th century and I am not aware of any photographs which would confirm its actual age.
David
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Hey David, could you send me again that Edelen coat of arms you sent that was like the one you have by your name here but had the little cross in the upper section please? If I am not mistaken, that was the one my aunt researched and found was Richard Edelen's. It was identicle to yours but had the little anchor cross in the upper section. You said it may have come from the Offley arms. Well, what about what I said about reading that in time they okayed it for all sons of a man to use his arms rather than just the first born. Was that true? That Richard Edelen who had the arms on his carraige door, he came to Maryland in 1664 and had like five or six kids. I am descended from Christopher, his youngest of four sons.
And yes, I, who love history and have read a bit of heraldry, would never just up and use or adapt another family's arms for my own use. I think they ought to enforce heraldric laws of such nature everywhere, not just in England.
Abt that one pic I sent you behindthefrogs of that coat of arms with the plain silver shield and single centered red achor cross, which the people who sent it to us said was the oldest known Edelen coat of arms. My Uncle had a gold ring with that coat of arms engraved in it. A beautiful ring! I think it was a simple, neat coat of arms. I wish I knew for sure it was indeed an old Edelen coat of arms. I always figured that the little cross in the upper section of Richard Edelen's arms was in honor of that coat of arms of his ancestor. But may be wroing.
Later,
David Edelen
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Well, what about what I said about reading that in time they okayed it for all sons of a man to use his arms rather than just the first born. Was that true?
Stephen answers that question in his replies above ;)
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I would have thought it much more likely that the coat of arms containing the cross (flory) originate somewhere in the Offley family. There is a direct line between Richard who came out to Maryland and his grandmother Catherine Offley who married Phillip Edelen and it seems to be her upbringing in Germany which causes the first use that I have seen identified of this particular spelling of the name.
The arms of that branch of the Offley family use a blue cross flory impaled with the arms of the Harding family both with the addition of some birds to each of the shields. As a cross is more likely to have been red in an original coat of arms a colour change in granting the arms to a younger member of the Ofley family seems likely.
The fact that the College of Arms granted those in my avatar to Cronian Edelen with just the added difference of the blue cross flory seems to possibly reject the red cross as an original Edelen arms. I haven't found any historic use in the Edlin family. Do you know how old the ring is? I seem to remember that Cronian knew of its existence but would have to check a volume of old correspondence to be sure.
David
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I've had a quick play around with one of the Edelin blazons I found. Do you know of any others?
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That is the one in my avatar.
The following is the Crolian Edelen version with the crosses addedbeing blue.
David
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Hello again,
That one for Croilan Edelen is the one that I used to have in a frame. My great aunt Pauline got it somewhere and said it was the one that our Richard Edelen used who came from England. If I remember correctly the cross was a dark color and not red, but other wise the arms was just like yours.
As for the ring I mentioned. It was not old. He just liked that one coat of arms I sent you with the silver shield and one red anchor cross and sort of adapted it for himself. He had that ring made for him with that particular coat of arms on it. It was a nice ring though. I thought of adapting that one too as I did not know if I was allowed (by rules and laws of heraldry) to use the one Richard Edelen used since I descend from his fourth son. But speaking of that, I don't know if the same rules and laws would allow me the use of the other either?!?
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By the way Stephen, thanks for your replies. In fact one of my ancestors was a Stenhouse, a sept of the Bruce Clan. I wonder if they had any coats of arms. It was my great great grandfather Ebenezer Stenhouse came from Scotland in early 1800s to South Carolina. His daughter Carolina Hamilton Stenhouse being my great grandmother.
Pistolero
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By the way Stephen, thanks for your replies. In fact one of my ancestors was a Stenhouse, a sept of the Bruce Clan. I wonder if they had any coats of arms. It was my great great grandfather Ebenezer Stenhouse came from Scotland in early 1800s to South Carolina. His daughter Carolina Hamilton Stenhouse being my great grandmother.
There are no recorded Arms for Stenhouse in Volume 1 of the Scottish Ordinary (1672-1901). I have not got sight of Volume 2 at the moment. In Scottish heraldry it is possible to petition for Arms in the name of a deceased ancestor who fell under the Lyon Court's jurisdiction (lived in Scotland &/or in America pre-1770s). The descendants can then petition for their own Arms based upon those of their ancestor.
Burke's General Armory does have one entry for Stenhouse but there are no biographical or geographical details which renders it effectively useless.
Edited to add that there are four entries for Stenhouse in Vol 2 but all from the 1960s.
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One of the problems here is the marked lack of records for the Edelin Arms prior to the late 19th century. If the Arms were in use in the 17th century in England I would have hoped that they would have been recorded in the Heralds’ Visitations.
It is not unusual in England for families to use Arms for a few generations only to find that they had no legal standing. My ggg-grandfather married a co-heiress, a branch of whose family were recorded in various Burke’ publications as bearing Arms. When I delved further to see if her branch could use the Arms I found that they were not “lawful”. That branch was granted “new” arms in the 1880 which were based upon the assumed Arms but with major differences.
There is an interest mismatch between the UK and US branches of Richard Edelin’s family. As far as the laws of heraldry go in England & Wales, there are no Arms to inherit because they do not officially exist. That would also be the case for the American branch up until Independence. Thereafter there was no heraldic control and US citizens were free to assume Arms at will.
As for the ring I mentioned. It was not old. He just liked that one coat of arms I sent you with the silver shield and one red anchor cross and sort of adapted it for himself. He had that ring made for him with that particular coat of arms on it. It was a nice ring though. I thought of adapting that one too as I did not know if I was allowed (by rules and laws of heraldry) to use the one Richard Edelen used since I descend from his fourth son. But speaking of that, I don't know if the same rules and laws would allow me the use of the other either?!?
As you are in the US my suggestion would be to use the Arms of Richard Edelin differenced with a Martlet to show descent from the fourth son and then register it for free at The U.S. Heraldic Registry (http://usheraldicregistry.com/index.php?n=Main.HomePage). If you want any assistance please send me a PM.
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The Edlyn Arms could well have been recorded in the Hertfordshire Visitations. Unfortunately 1572 visitation which would be the relevant one is not one of those to which I have access either online or in my local reference library. Can anyone confirm that they are not recorded?
David
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The Edlyn Arms could well have been recorded in the Hertfordshire Visitations. Unfortunately 1572 visitation which would be the relevant one is not one of those to which I have access either online or in my local reference library. Can anyone confirm that they are not recorded?
I've just looked in my copy of The Visitations of Hertfordshire 1572 and 1634. The only Edlin entry is an unnamed daughter of an unnamed Edlin of Middlesex marrying a John Warren of Harrow. The Middlesex Pedigrees has a Joane Reding (of Cannons in Pinner) marrying a Richard Edlyn but no Arms. The 1663/4 Visitations of London mentions the marriage of two daughters of Richard Edlin of Pinner but again no Arms.
I've also checked the site Armigerous Ancestors (http://www.achievements.co.uk/services/arm/index.php) and the only Edlin listed there was disclaimed (not entitled to Arms) in 1687 viz:
Name and other information County Disclaimed?
Edlin, Abram of Lorriner, 1687 London Yes
Yours aye
Stephen
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Thanks Stephen.
The problem with the Harleian copy of the visitations to which I think you are referring is that the dates of pedigrees seem to indicate that most if not all of the information comes from the 1634 visitation. It is some years since I looked at it but I seem to remember not being able to find entries from the 1572 visitation.
I can fit most of the others that you mention into their Edlin families.
David
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David
Try here:
http://www.archive.org/details/visitationshert00philgoog
Looking at my copy, the first 24 pages are from 1572, 25 to 108 are from 1634 and the two appendices cover pedigrees from other documents. It seems the 1669 Visitation has been lost.
Yours aye
Stephen
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I wasn't too happy with the fess and ermine. Another attempt.
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The blazon specifies that the shield should be:
Ermine, a fess vairy, or and gules
In all the examples that I can find of a fess vair or vairy there is only one row not three as you have shown.
David
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The only thing that is fixed in heraldry is the blazon. How it is interpreted can be quite varied.
A fess is normally about a third of the height of the shield. That can make a single row rather ungainly. Personally, I found a double row still too "big", hence a more manageable three row vairy.
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I don't agree. A fess is usually the same width as a pale or a bend. A pale is usually just under on third of the width of a shield. Thus a fess would be quarter of the height of the shield.
David
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Brook-Little's 1973 revised edition of Boutell's Heraldry has these dimensions:
Chief, fess & pale - one third (or rather less)*
Bend, saltire & cross - one third if charged, one fifth if uncharged.
Bar & chevron - one fifth.
*The chief & fess will be one third of the height and the pale one third of the width.
These ordinaries can shrink or expand depending on what is being placed on or around them. It is a combination of best fit and artistic interpretation.
Your avatar and my two renditions are, I believe, all correct in that they match the blazon "Ermine a fess vairy Or and Gules". The one potential hazard with a single row is that, if the fess is narrowed too much, it might be taken as a bar.
Yours aye
Stephen
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I have been in earlier posts wrongly describing the cross added to the coat of arms as a cross flory. It should be a cross patonce as it has three points at the end of each arm while the cross flory only has two.
David
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Hello,
It's been a while. But I have wondered if the cross in the top of my ancestor Richard
Edelen's was descended from the cross in the plain shield?
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As you already know the first set of arms were granted to Crolian Edelen in 1962. The cross according to Crolian with whom I corresponded for a number of years, was added at the time of the grant to difference them from the original arms of the Middlesex Edlins. The cross was taken from the arms of the Offley family. Catherine Offley was the mother of Richard Edelen who emigrated to Maryland in 1663. The Edelen spelling of the name, as used uniquely in the USA, was also believed to have been derived from Catherine's Germanic spelling of the name reflecting her German upbringing.
Your second shield which bears the single cross I have never come across before. I suspect from the Edelen spelling of the name that it was created by someone in the USA and has not been granted by the College of Arms. The use of a second helmet as the crest is also very unusual. I have come across the crest on that second helmet somewhere but have been unable to recall where.
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I would have liked to have met Croilan Edelen. And you are correct in that the name was spelled Edlyn up until it was changed in the one family. Here is an excerpt from my file:
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III. RICHARD EDLYN, Jr. B. 1565 in Pinner Marsh (Harrow-on-the-Hill), Middlesex, England--D. bef. 8/27/1616 in Buckingham, England. Note: "Harrow-on-the-Hill" was a small village with a 200' hill on which stands an ancient church where there once stood an ancient heathen temple. Also in Harrow is Harrow School, an old influential school. Winston Churchhill went to school there. Pinner is likewise a nearby village. They are all now part of Middlesex and it is all a part of greater London.
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MARGARET (?)
ISSUE: (NOTE: The reason for the change in spelling of the last name is, from what I have read, that Margaret was from Prussia and wanted her children to have a more German sounding or looking name so changed it from Edlyn to Edelen).
1. *Phillip Edelen, b. 1598 in Pinner--d. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England. Became a Pastor or Minister of the "Established Church"-m-Catherine Offley (See below).
2. Richard Edelen, died 1699.
3. Alice Edelen.
4. Joane ("Hannah") Edelen, died 1643-m-Richard Nicholas.
IV. REVEREND PHILLIP EDELEN, B. 1598 in Pinner, Middlesex, England--D. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England.
He was a Pastor or Minister of the Gospel. He held three "Degrees" from Emmanuel University, Caimbridge (England). He was one time Rector of St. John Zachery, Aldergate Ward, London (At one time the Puritans sacked, looted, and burned his Church). A memorial to Rev. Philip Edelen is on the south wall of St. Mary's Church, Denham, Bucks, where he is buried and where he took refuge when the raiding Puritans sacked his church of St. John Zachery and the Rectory in retaliation for his loyalty to the Crown and Established Church. Here is what his memorial says:
"Here lyeth Philippe Edelen, a man of rare endowments, singular integrity, holy Conversation and a most prudent solide and constant preacher of Truth in the most difficult times wherein he lived, continuing unmoved in the principles he had first layd and dying a true sonne of the Church of England, March 22nd, 1656 and of his age 58."
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CATHERINE OFFLEY. Daughter of Thomas and Anne (Clitheroe) Offley. Thomas was son of Hugh and Anne (Harding) Offley. Anne Clitheroe was daughter of Henry and Bridgett (Hewett) Clitheroe. Thomas was Alderman of London. See some of Offley and Clitherowe liniage above.
ISSUE:
1. Christopher Edelen, b. abt. 2/24/1630/31-m-Anne Broderich.
2. Anne Edelen, b. abt. 9/28/1633-m-James Hill on 6/6/1664 in London.
3. *Richard Edelen, b. 1635--d. 1694-m-Eliz. Banton, b. abt. 1639. Immigrated to America (See below).
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I descend from Christopher Edelen, youngest son of Richard and Eliz. Banton Edelen, the immigrants to Maryland. But yes I always heard and read that it was Richard Edlyn's wife Margaret ?? who, from Prussia, wanted her children's names to look and sound more Germanic so changed their names from Edlyn to Edelen. So Rev. Phillip Edelen and his siblings were the first ones to go by that spelling and his son Richard was the immigrant. I suppose the descendants of Phillip's three siblings are stillo going by Edelen. I read somewhere that during the War of 1812 during some negotiations aboard a ship there was a Lt Edelen on the American ship. The Englishman told him that there was a Lt Edelen aboard his ship too, with an uncanny resemblance between them. But the American Edelen did nto want to meet him, still angry about the British burning Washington DC and rampaging over much of his home state of Maryland. LOL! All this is so fascinating is it not?
By the way, that coat of arms with the plain white or silver shield with the single big anchor cross on it came with a book my dad sent off for pertaining to our coat of arms. The book said that was the oldest known one for Edelen and it could be found in something called Ziebmacher's Waffenbuch. I suspect now that book and outfit my dad ordered from was just the type that threw something to gether to sell to gullible people. Have you ever heard of that Ziebmacher's Waffenbuch? Never know.
What sort of fella was Croiland? I would love to have met him. I have read some of his research, etc. He must have been an extraordinary and interesting man.
David Middleton Edelen II
Alabama, USA
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I never actually met Crolian and at the time I corresponded with him he was very elderly and not very open to debate about the family. He did however transcribe many pages of his notes which formed a useful basis for my knowledge of the family.
Refering to your reply. I have a further child for Philip's father Richard.
William, Tallow Chandler12 (possibly master) the youngest son of Richard lived at Pinner Place and died 2 May 1627 (or 1668?). His son William lived in Pinner Place until he died in 1692. In 1708 when Martha Richmond was executrix and residual legatee of his will which left lands in Harrow there was still an outstanding decree in Chancery in consideration of £2028.5s owed to creditors . Martha, one of two daughters of William the younger, the widow of a London apothecary named Richard Richmond, inherited Marlepits from her father and also purchased the adjoining Waxwell Farm9 and also Marlepit Wood which was later known as Bateman’s Wood after it passed to her daughter Lucy who married a Bateman. In 1681 William made a marriage settlement on Martha and Richard Richmond of Campions Farm with 22 Acres in Green Street and a 3 acre meadow called Stranges or Little Stranges all in the parish of Ridge. A tablet in Pinner Church shows that she died on 14th December 1725 age 66 and is buried in the Aubrey Vault along with her daughter Elizabeth Aubrey who died two years earlier15. William’s other daughter Hannah married John Kirton.3 Mar 1685/6.
It is interesting that many of the family members can be confirmed by the various properties that they owned and were passed on in their wills. In this particular case the ownership of Marlpits can be tracnd through many generations.
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My info goes back to Roger Edlyn born abt 1500. I wish there was some proof and info going further back. I have read that the Edlyn/Edelens were of Celtic stock, and another source said we were of Norman stock. I just wish I knew.
Another question is Eliz Banton's father who has been referred to as Lord Pannewell. Some have said he did not exist, or possibly a nick name. Well, he did exist because for the next two or three generations after Richard and Eliz Edelen came to American there were people named after him, with Pannewell as a first name or a middle name. So I also wonder who he was.
Dave
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I have no knowledge at all about the Banton ancestors. I have a number of Roger Edlyns but none who I can safely link into any of the families. Does yours have a link?
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Here is an excerpt from my file. I forgot where I even got this info:
I. ROGER EDLYN, B. ABT. 1500, in "Hatchend" (near Middlesex, England)
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ISSUE:
1. *Richard Edlyn, b. abt. 1530 in Pinner Marsh, Middlesex, England (See below).
II. RICHARD EDLYN, SR. B. ABT. 1530 in Pinner Marsh, Middlesex, England.
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JOANE OR JANE REDDING, B. , daughter of Thomas Redding, who was son of Richard Redding.
ISSUE:
1. *Richard Edlyn, b. abt. 1565 in Pinner Marsh("Harrow-on-the-Hill"), Middlesex, England--d. bef. 8/27/1616(See
below).
2. Henry Edlyn, died 1617.
3. Morgan Edlyn.
4. William Edlyn.
5. Edward Edlyn.
6. Roger Edlyn-m-Audrey Greenhill on 12/4/1594 in Pinner.
7. Agnes Edlyn.
8. Mary Edlyn.
III. RICHARD EDLYN, Jr. B. 1565 in Pinner Marsh (Harrow-on-the-Hill), Middlesex, England--D. bef. 8/27/1616 in Buckingham, England. Note: "Harrow-on-the-Hill" was a small village with a 200' hill on which stands an ancient church where there once stood an ancient heathen temple. Also in Harrow is Harrow School, an old influential school. Winston Churchhill went to school there. Pinner is likewise a nearby village. They are all now part of Middlesex and it is all a part of greater London.
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MARGARET (?)
ISSUE: (NOTE: The reason for the change in spelling of the last name is, from what I have read, that Margaret was from Prussia and wanted her children to have a more German sounding or looking name so changed it from Edlyn to Edelen).
1. *Phillip Edelen, b. 1598 in Pinner--d. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England. Became a Pastor or Minister of the "Established Church"-m-Catherine Offley (See below).
2. Richard Edelen, died 1699.
3. Alice Edelen.
4. Joane ("Hannah") Edelen, died 1643-m-Richard Nicholas.
IV. REVEREND PHILLIP EDELEN, B. 1598 in Pinner, Middlesex, England--D. 3/22/1656/57 in Denborn(Buckingham), England.
He was a Pastor or Minister of the Gospel. He held three "Degrees" from Emmanuel University, Caimbridge (England). He was one time Rector of St. John Zachery, Aldergate Ward, London (At one time the Puritans sacked, looted, and burned his Church). A memorial to Rev. Philip Edelen is on the south wall of St. Mary's Church, Denham, Bucks, where he is buried and where he took refuge when the raiding Puritans sacked his church of St. John Zachery and the Rectory in retaliation for his loyalty to the Crown and Established Church. Here is what his memorial says:
"Here lyeth Philippe Edelen, a man of rare endowments, singular integrity, holy Conversation and a most prudent solide and constant preacher of Truth in the most difficult times wherein he lived, continuing unmoved in the principles he had first layd and dying a true sonne of the Church of England, March 22nd, 1656 and of his age 58."
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CATHERINE OFFLEY. Daughter of Thomas and Anne (Clitheroe) Offley. Thomas was son of Hugh and Anne (Harding) Offley. Anne Clitheroe was daughter of Henry and Bridgett (Hewett) Clitheroe. Thomas was Alderman of London. See some of Offley and Clitherowe liniage above.
ISSUE:
1. Christopher Edelen, b. abt. 2/24/1630/31-m-Anne Broderich.
2. Anne Edelen, b. abt. 9/28/1633-m-James Hill on 6/6/1664 in London.
3. *Richard Edelen, b. 1635--d. 1694-m-Eliz. Banton, b. abt. 1639. Immigrated to America (See below).
V. RICHARD EDELEN, GENT., B. 1635 in Middlesex, England--Migrated to Maryland, USA in 1664 and D. 1694 in Maryland, U.S.A..
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ELIZEBETH BANTON, B. ABT. 1639 in England--D. in St. Mary's Co., Md..