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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Valtaya on Wednesday 13 October 10 16:51 BST (UK)
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I know this is a complete long shot but I have to ask..
We have been chasing the death of Thomas Mee for aaaages. We eventually found out he died in Bradford 1920. After long searches it turned out he got sent back to Nottingham to be burried in a family grave!!
We reaaaaally need to know who else is in that grave.. Would anyone be so kind to have a look or have any other way of checking??
The details I have :-
Thomas Mee (Horton) died 2nd March 1920. Burried on 6th March 1920.
Number of grave - 19333.
Of the internment 85471 Page 31 Vol. 297.
His name is Thomas Mee but on the record it says Horton in brackets - that is his stepfathers surname.
If anyone could help I would be extremely grateful.
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I have checked on the General Cemetery viewer CD but drawn a complete blank on this!
No Thomas Mee or Horton.
No grave of that number.
However, this disc shows the memorial inscriptions - maybe he doesn't have a headstone? Maybe someone would be able to help if you were to contact the cemetery?
Good luck!
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Hi,
I can check for you at Nottingham Archives, but it would have to be next Friday as the rest of the week I am busy all day.
Nevertheless, I'm all too happy to look. I live a two minute walk from the cem and a 15 walk from the archives :)
Matt.
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There is a cd??!! No grave of that number?? ooooh now im worried.. On the sheet I have it says 6/. 19333. Apparently the 6 is ment to mean he is the 6th person to be burried in that grave??
Oh Matt if you could do that for me you would be promoted to my favourite person in the world ;D
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Yes, the CD is available from the Notts FH society and is called "General Cemetery Memorial Inscriptions".
Apparently it covers over 20,000 records - but only of transcribed memorial inscriptions in the cemetery.
So I would guess that no headstone = no mention on the CD; it wouldn't mean that he wasn't buried there.
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Oh thats brill thank you.. I am just looking at them.. thinking of investing is the pack of 3 cds for both notts and the basford cemeterys...
He must really be in there somewhere.. The official paper we have says Nottingham General Cemetery in big letters on the top of it haha.
Like you said, I wonder if he is in the family grave but his name wasnt added. But then again no grave of that number?? Hmmm.. Another mystery - this man has been a nightmare with questions the whole way through!!
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I don't think the lack of the grave on the disc signifies "no grave of that number" - more likely, "no inscription to go with that grave"
There's no-one of either of those names on the Basford CD either -- again though, that shows the inscriptions and is not a complete list of the graves. Just to triple check, I looked at the PR disc and he's not at any of the listed parish churches.
I'd have thought that the gen. cemetery will have a "friends" or info office - why not contact them? They are more likely to have registers with all burials, rather than just those with surviving gravestones.
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This is the email I got from my friend whos tree I am doing that all this is about-
"Had some very good news today from a lady I contacted at a Nottingham undertakers who were in business at the time granddad's coffin was shipped from Bradford to Nott.m. It was a long shot but wow, what a result. It seems there is a family grave at the General Cemetery, which is just off Canning Circus and the lady actually went to the Nott.m. Archive Dept. and found a document that also gives the grave/plot number"
That document is the one I have which gives the details I posted before.. I dont know if the family grave is Mee or Horton but I assume Mee. If he was the last one buried in there in 1920 and apparently 6 to each grave then there maybe another 5 Mee members in there?? I was just thinking that if there is that many of them in one grave then surely there would be an inscription on the headstone?? ???
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There may never have been a headstone (many families were too poor to run to a memorial), or it may have fallen down or become unreadable.
If I were you, I'd contact Nottingham city council and ask them if they can help you locate the grave.
Contact Details:
Tel: 0115 9152340 or 9152341
Fax: 0115 9152345
Email: cemeteries@nottinghamcity.gov.uk
and they may be glad to hear from you!
Appeal to Trace Relatives
Anyone with information should contact the the Cemeteries Office on 0115 9152340 or email cemeteries@nottinghamcity.gov.uk
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Hi Valtaya,
I could not leave you waiting so went into Nottingham RO this morning and had a wee look for your Thomas Mee / Horton.
His grave number is 19333, and internment number was actually 85971. The trail in finding him was a bit confusing as I had to go through a massive collection of listed internment numbers. The grave number 19333 brought up a list of seven internment numbers, which I matched to the following people.
6780 - Elizabeth Lowe, spinster of Back Lane, Nottingham, died aged 32 on 28/01/1850 and buried 03/02/1850.
40057 - Valentine Henry Withers, son of Valentine and Mary Withers of Crocus Street, Nottingham, aged 7 months. Died 16/04/1882, buried on 19/04/1882.
41491 - Henry Ashton, son of Mary Ann Ashton of Riley's Yard, Canal Street, Nottingham, aged 1 month. Died 24/02/1883, buried 01/03/1883. Oddly enough I walk past Canal Street to get to the Archives.
62384 - Gertrude Ellis, daughter of Joseph Thomas Ellis of 5 Pa____ts Yard, Broad Street, Nottingham, aged 4 years. Died 20/11/1898, buried 24/11/1898
62384 - Florence Ellis, daughter of Joseph Ellis (presumably the same as above) of 5 Pa____ts Yard, Broad Street, Nottingham. Died 26/11/1898, buried 30/11/1898.
67620 - (this entry was very hard to read) Nellie Elizabeth Bingham, daughter of (maybe) James Bingham, aged 17 months. Died 25/07/1903, burial date illegible.
85971 - Thomas Mee (Norton) of 429 Hollingham Road (?), a soldier, aged 39 years. Died 01/03/1920, buried 06/03/1920.
I think the 6/19333 you refer to was taken from a number 6 that is written in the date column of the registers. The grave number is 19333.
These seven internment numbers all had the grave number of 19333, I doubled checked them all. Do you know who any of these people are? In the list of internment numbers of this grave the word BINGHAM was written, which may mean the Bingham family owned the plot, but I am not sure. I could try and find out who owned the grave if you like.
Also, the fact Thomas is listed as a soldier is interesting, dying two years after the First World War ended. Was he wounded? I checked on the CWGC site but no obvious match was returned for him.
Sad to say I think it is unlikely he will have a headstone, and if the grave does, I imagine it will not bare his name. However, I'll keep my finger on this and will see what I can turn up tomorrow (I can pop in for half an hour after uni).
I hope this helps, it looks like his family may be buried elsewhere ???
Matt.
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Matt,
You are now my new best friend hahaha..
That makes perfect sense but is not what I was expecting!! Thomas had a sister who married James Bingham.. I would not have expected him to be put in with the inlaws tho so that is fasinating.. I have no clue about the other names tho but I will look into that now..
x
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Hi,
I have many relatives buried in the General Cemetery, and a good few of those although buried together they do not have, and never had a head stone.
I am sure it was down to a lack of funds.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Reayboy, I wonder could you when you have time look at the Archives for the burial of William Simpson died in Nottingham city in the December 1/4 1884. Also his wife Lucy Simpson who died March 1/4 1878.
There is no hurry . I did contact the general cemetery by e-mail but unfortunately they charge 31 pounds per person thats about 40 Australian dollars, which at the moment I can't afford. Hope you don't mind me asking. Anything I can look up for people researching Australia I am happy to do.
Warm regard. dancing lady Australia
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Is this the Thomas Mee who died of a stomach ulcer and peritonitus in St Lukes hospital Bradford, March 1920 ? Ancestry WW1 service records.If so he was 41 years and 281 days when he enlisted, born 1875, so the age on the grave is wrong....The widow is listed as Alice Mee of 109 Merchant St, Bulwell. His parents are at 429 Nottingham road, there are 6 children listed.Step father listed as Paul Horton -so it is the right guy. Mother as Ellen.With a sister Annie Bingham. There is a letter from his wife to Thomas' comanding officer in his records.I do hope you have seen these papers.
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I was just thinking... is there anyway to know if the Binghams owned any more graves?? I was just wondering if James may be there with his wife Annie...
I found a connection to the Florence and Gertrude Ellis.. The are the daughters of Clara Ellis (Johnson), who is the sister of Thomas Mee mother.. sooo they are Thomas Mee cousins!!! Still working on the others but how great is that??
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Well done Val...that is a relief. I can remember going through the internments and thinking to myself, these guys have all different names. I thought I was doing something wrong but I am glad the people tie up in your family.
I can check if the Bingham's owned anymore graves but I am doubtful of a straightforward route to see that info. What I mean is, I might have to do some cross-referencing.
dancing lady...I have information for you regarding your Simpsons that I will send you later on. I could not find William but will have another go next time I'm in the archives. I did find Lucy though. I'll be in touch shortly.
Matt :)
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Ahhh dont you just love find a relative :D I think I need to move house so I live next door to archives.. I wouldnt even know how to get there.. I only know where Victoria centre is ::)
All this for a friends tree.. I dont want my tree to end so I keep finding other peoples to do.. I will be at a loss if I didnt have a tree to do..
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Do you have his sevice records?
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Yes we do.. I found them on ancestry, and then the man I am doing the tree for, Thomas Mee grandson, ordered the full set from MOD..
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[I can check if the Bingham's owned anymore graves but I am doubtful of a straightforward route to see that info. What I mean is, I might have to do some cross-referencing.
dancing lady...I have information for you regarding your Simpsons that I will send you later on. I could not find William but will have another go next time I'm in the archives. I did find Lucy though. I'll be in touch shortly.
Matt :)
Hi Matt,Just wondering if you could let me have the info on Lucy. Maybe you had forgotten me. sighhhhhhhh Thanks dancing lady in Australia
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General Cemetery
I have some Inscriptions from NFHS Cd, with a section number, and also some grave numbers from Archives, wondering if there is a guide to plot positions in the cemetery to help in searching for them
Chris
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Hi Chris,
I have a sort of plan, let me know the details you are seeking, and I will see if I can pin point them.....ish!
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Hello,
I have two stones to look for
Lewin Ref Section 10 from the Cemetery Search report and Grave number 06349 from burial records
and
Lewin (Did not note a section from Cemetery search ) Grave number 3491
Chris
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Hi,
I have PM'd you.
If your folk are Jesse and Matilda, then they are both in the same place, both section 10 along with their daughter Annie Barnes.
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Hello
I am trying to find where my great grandfather is buried. He died in 1904 at Bagthorpe Workhouse and Infirmary. I have seen other people mention that their ancestors died there and were buried in Nottingham General Cemetery.
Is there anyone with the CD that could please look up Robert Alfred Corder, dying 20th June 1904 in Bagthorpe Workhouse?
Thanks in advance!!!!
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat!
I have checked the CD for the Gen Cem, but they are for monumental inscriptions- not burials. Sadly he is not listed.
Have you seen this site - it might be worth you contacting them to ask about burials.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Nottingham/
As a guess, I would imagine you may have better luck by trying Nottingham Archive.
Someone will be along to tell you!
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Sorry for not posting sooner...I am no longer in Nottingham and so cannot offer lookups anymore.
Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Regards,
Matt.
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Hi,
I am also trying to locate the graves of my Great Grandmother's family. Someone very kindly found them for me at the archives and said they were buried at the General Cemetery.
I emailed Nottingham cemeteries at Wilford Hill and they gave me the details of the archives as they said they couldn't help.
Archives said:
"We also hold the following records for the General Cemetery:
•Surname indexes for Anglican burials 1837-1992 and Dissenters' burials 1856-1978
•Grave number registers for Anglican and Dissenter's graves
•Interment certificates for Anglican burials 1837-1981 and Dissenters' 1856-1981"
Will these records definitely contain my family's plots? I don't live near Nottingham so I'd hate it to be a wasted journey!
These are in one plot:
Ada Elliott buried aged 1 year 16/11/1896
Frances George Elliott aged 1 year buried 6/5/1899
David Lane aged 68yrs died 2 Sept 1896 buried 4 Sept 1896
George Lane aged 64yrs died 17 Sept 1895 buried 21 Sept 1895
Ann Lane aged 65yrs a spinster died 9 Jan 1900 buried 12 Jan 1900
And in another:
Florence Mary Elliott 6 Dec 1888 aged 8 mths buried 8 Dec 1888
Mary Elliott aged 8 months buried 19/5/1891
Are the burials too old to guarantee finding a record of the plot numbers? I would like to visit the plots if possible because the amount of children my GGGrandmother lost at such young ages is heartbreaking!
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Hi Burto,
I'm the person who told you about the graves. The info that Nottingham Archives gave you are just the burial records where I got the details from, they do have great big maps of the Cemetery with the graves so I'll try and have a look for you.
Since Wilford Hill took over the keeping of the Cemeteries they aren't very good at helping people when the records were at Bulwell cemetery they would go and look for the graves for you and send you a map with them on they would even meet you at the cemetery and take you to the plot, I did this on a number of times but since they moved to Wilford Hill they don't what to help.
They only other thing you can do is go to the cemetery and see if there is a groundsman around who might be willing to help and find the graves as long as you have the grave numbers. As there is not a head stone it will be hard to locate the exact spot.
Nottsgirl1
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Hi Nottsgirl,
You are a star. I must admit I got very confused when I emailed Wilford I think because I wasn't sure how I would find a grave number, especially as a number wasn't included in the burial entries that you kindly looked up for me. Are the maps labelled with names?
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Hi Burto,
Sorry did I not give you the grave numbers (must have been having a senior moment), I'll check my notes to see if I noted them down if not it wont take me long to go back to the records to get them. The maps just have grave numbers on them but they a very big and a bit like a jiggle puzzle to put them together but I've looked at them before so know how to do it.
May not be till next week if that's OK.
Nottsgirl1
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Oh if you could get the grave numbers that would be great! Thank you so much!