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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: valkane2003 on Thursday 14 October 10 21:23 BST (UK)
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I have found a relation of mine living in beaver row in the mid 1800's with his occupation as either a slatter or hatter (?).
Does anyone know Where beaver row was in Dublin and was it an affluent area? Also what was the career of hatter or slatter.... I rather think it's hatter from the writing.
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Beaver row is still there - it runs between Clonskeagh and Donnybrook (Anglesea Bridge) on is on the bank of the river Dodder.
Not really a prosperous area, there was cottages and it was also near some industry - an Iron Works at the Clonskeagh end
Shane
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Aw that's a pity... I was hoping that I'd find some money in my family here ;)
On the same thread what was castlewood park in rathmines like around the same time. You hear rathmines and donnybrook and you think middle class. I think I'm totally wrong but was castlewood park middle class??
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what timeframe is the Castlewood park reference ?
While parts of Donnybrook and Rathmines were considered well off, like most areas there was a mix of types of residents - sometimes even on the same street.
Shane
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Were talking between 1850 and 1870.
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Looking at the 1868 listing it seems that Castlewood Ave. was reasonably well off at that time - lot's of Esq's, a barrister an accountant, an artist, an architect etc
Do you have a specific house number ?
Shane
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Can't make it out but the occupation is laborer. I thought labourer was as it sounds.
You are brilliant at this stuff so maybe you might know where great Brunswick street or Brunswick street great was? I have located north Brunswick street and Brunswick place but can't find 18 Brunswick street great.
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Can't make it out but the occupation is laborer. I thought labourer was as it sounds.
dont see any labourers on Castlewood Ave...
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maybe you might know where great Brunswick street or Brunswick street great was? I have located north Brunswick street and Brunswick place but can't find 18 Brunswick street great.
Great Brunswick Street is the old name for Pearse Street
Shane
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dont see any labourers on Castlewood Ave...
the houses there are pretty large - maybe a gardener/odd-job-man living in the basement??
on the other question - a beaver is a sort of hat ... maybe there were many hatters in the area.
eadaoin
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Eadoin is perfectly correct about hatters. There was a large hat manufactory in the vicinity of Beaver Row prior to about 1860
If Valkane would state the name of the person then I could look here at the various addresses given
Regards Quaxer
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His name was Bryan Maguire (spelling from his daughters marriage cert). Thanks Quaxar!! And thanks eadaoin for the info on a beaver... I thought it was just an animal.
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I have checked my source work based on The Irish Times 1859-1901 for No.18 Great Brunswick Street, Castlewood Avenue/Park/Place/Terrace and there is no reference to a Bryan Maguire
I note that No.18 Great Brunswick Street was Fagans Iron Works for most of the period you are interested in an wonder whether the Bryan you are interested in could have been an employee.
Regards Quaxer
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Bryan Maguire lived in beaver row. Sorry quaxer. 18 Brunswick street was James fagan iron works. That's another branch of the family I'm looking into and having my fair share of problems with!!
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Thanks for your recent. I have several entries from the Irish Times up to 1901. I f you would like these just say so.
Regards Quaxer
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Would love them thanks quaxer!!
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V.
The following are the entries that I have recorded:
21st June 1869 Page 1 (Advert.) John Fagan ---Iron Works
12th Marck 1874 Page2 Mrs Fagan---Prizewinner
18th February 1878 Page 1 (Death) James Fagan
31st May 1880 Page 1 (Death) James (son of late James Fagan) --late of
12th January 1883 Page1 (Death) Julia (widow of James Fagan)
28th August 1886 Page 3 J.Fagan & Sons ---Petitioners
16th July 1888 Page 3 James Fagan----Retention of wax mannikin
Regards Quaxer
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Wow quaxer thanks!!
Retention of mannequin??? I wonder what that was about!
Would it have been normal to have a death reported on page one of a newspaper?
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Your recent. The death was probably in the Deaths Section on Page 1 .I can recall that the Section was on the last page at one time.
Regards Quaxer
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That's very interesting about the death notices. Quaxer, you said you got the info on 18 gt Brunswick street in the Irish times. Would you know if that info is on the Irish times website. If so I'll invest in a subscription rather than looking at hard copy in the library.
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V.2003
Yourrecent refers. Yes, it should be as both parties used the same source.
Regards Quaxer
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Quaxer,
I'm tracing a Keogh family that lived at 7 Beaver Row. The father was Michael Keogh married in 1882 to Catherine McDonnell. He died sometime between 1887-1901.
Could I request a favour of having you look in the Irish Times to see if his death comes up?
Regards,
NYG
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NewYorker
I checked all the entries for Beaver Row but nothing of interest to you turned up.
Regards Quaxer
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Thanks Quaxer
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Hi everyone
I'm tracing Keoghs in Beaver Row too. There seem to be two families of Keoghs and I can't work out exactly how they're related. Both families lived at 7 Beaver Row, so I can't imagine they were completely unrelated. Which Keoghs had the farm?
My line are from Michael Keogh who married Catherine McDonnell. Michael's address at marriage was 7 Beaver Row, which is also where their children Ellen, Joseph, Mary (who died young) and John were baptised from. The youngest was born in 1889. Michael must have died sometime between 1889 and 1901, as by the 1901 census Catherine was down as a widow and the family had moved out and she was working as a housekeeper. Michael and Catherine were both born in Wicklow, Michael was a gardener for the church in Donnybrook and his father was called Joseph.
The other Keogh family were Laurence Keogh, who married Mary McGuire in 1870. Their children Julia, Mary, Bernard, Elizabeth and Thomas were all born at Beaver Row, and the family were still there in 1901 and 1911. Laurence's father was called Thomas.
So, my question after all that was how are the two Keoghs, Laurence and Michael, related? If anyone has any info about all this, please let me know!
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My Grandfather 's name was Bernard keogh , listed as a Sand Contractor on 1901 census . His first wife died and he married a second time . My mother;s name was Mary , she was a child of his second marriage . It appears he first lived in 106 Henshaws Cottages on the Clonskeagh Road just before Clonskeagh Bridge later moving to Beaver Row . The family lived in the house at the bottom of the quarry you can see on WWW.MAPVIEWER.OSI. There was no actual farm but they did operate a dairy from that location , the cattle which provided the milk were kept at various location's close by and on some pasture in Rathfarnham .
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Hi Cruisedub,
that's Bernard I found alright, son of Laurence Keogh. Do you know of any link between them and my Keoghs, Michael and Catherine and their children, who also lived at Beaver Row?
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Hi cruisedub
I think your Bernard keogh is the son of a distant relative of mine Mary maguires sister would be my ggg grandmother. Do you know anything about those maguires because I've hit a dead end!!
Thanks
Val
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Hi cruisedub
I think your Bernard keogh is the son of a distant relative of mine Mary maguires sister would be my ggg grandmother. Do you know anything about those maguires because I've hit a dead end!!
Thanks
Val
I don't know of any Maguires in my family line but records are so few and far between it might just be possible .
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Val
well, from a look at http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html it would seem that Bryan Maguire married Mary Hugo on Jan 14th 1838 at St Marys Church Haddington Road. Their children were William born 1841, Mary born 1843, Elizabeth in 1847 and Catherine (not sure of date). I'd imagine that Eilzabeth is the Eliza Maguire in Beaver Row in 1901 and that Mary is Bernard Keogh's mother.
This might be Bryan's death record, but it's a bit of a guess.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/MFDF-FSX/p1
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Thanks Alice,
I had suspected they were my maguires alright but couldn't find a record for Catharines birth. Could you put up a link to Catharines record or tell me what search you made because I cannot find her.
Thanks again
Val
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Hi Cruisedub,
that's Bernard I found alright, son of Laurence Keogh. Do you know of any link between them and my Keoghs, Michael and Catherine and their children, who also lived at Beaver Row?
Are you familiar with Beaver Row ? as this will be difficult to explain. There was a Keogh family who lived where Ericsson is now, coming from Clonskeagh bridge you went up a slope on the right hand side and after a few hundred metres you came to their place, he was known as Barney Keogh and im sure they lived there until well into the 1970's or maybe even later
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Your probably talking about my Grandfather Bernard Keogh Who has passed away ,I also had an uncle called Barney who has also passed away . The slope you mention ran from Clonskeagh Bridge to the gate of the Dairy , About mid along there also used to be a cottage once occupied by a person named Hennesy who was also a relative of mine .
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The very place, it looked like a real rural area, i do remember Anto Hennessy passing away.
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I have only seen this forum now but my great grandfather was Michael Keogh's brother. I have some additional details if this forum is still active and would like to find any further details you may have.
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Hi Watten58, just came across your reply now.
My great great grandfather was Michael Keogh. Michael's father was Joseph Keogh and his mother was Ellen Byrne. I found a record for a brother James and a sister Mary but I've no idea what happened to them. I'd be very interested in hearing any other details you have.
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Hi Alice,
Thanks for writing. James was my great great grandfather, he married a Catherine Murphy and I have only traced one child Joseph who was my grandfather. Both James (died 1892) and Catherine(died 1907) are buried in Deansgrange cemetery with Michael (died 1890). I hadn't realised they had a sister but a Mary Keogh was present at the birth of my grandfather. Did she marry? or have children.
I have 4 children listed for Michael and Catherine(McDonald)... Ellen, Joseph, Mary and John Thomas. is that correct?
Watten 58
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Hi Alice,
Just read back through the thread and saw that you named the children of Michael and Catherine. Which of the children is your grandfather? My great grandfather James was also a gardener and my grandfather was born in 1 Ailesbury Road Dublin. Where was Catherine as a housekeeper in the 1901 census as you mentioned?
Watten 58
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Hi,
Ellen was my great-grandmother. Mary died at around a year old or less. John stayed in the Donnybrook area, and Joseph emigrated to Philadelphia.
We actually could never work out when Michael died, so if he's in Deansgrange that's very helpful! Any idea of the grave details, whereabouts it is or similar?
This is the family in 1901: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Dundrum/Roebuck__Part_of_/1315930/
and Joe Keogh managed to be listed twice, so here he is again: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_East___Donnybrook/Beaver_Row__Roebuck__No__23_is_damaged/1284923/
The Mary Byrne he was with was supposed to be some relation of Catherine's.
And in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Elm_Park_Avenue/52453/
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Hi Alice,
Thanks for the information. I do know where the grave is in Deansgrange and could show you. It is unmarked but I was shown by one of the staff a number of years ago. There are also 3 others in the grave whose surname is Kelly (they are young with the eldest 21 as far as I recall).
Watten58