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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: brianz on Saturday 16 October 10 23:30 BST (UK)
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I am researching my family in particular,
Richard Hannam Snr b 1793 d 16 Jan 1838 at Retford,
Ann Hannam (His wife) b abt 1757 d 10 Dec 1828 at Retford,
Richard Hannam Jnr (his son) b 1760 d 14 Jan 1856 at Retford.
The two Richards were prominent Solicitors in the town and Richard Snr was involved in some scandal to do with the elections around 1830.
I would hope that there would have been an obituary or death notice for them in the local paper. My question is; what local papers were around at the time, do they survive, and if they do where are they?
One other question where are the Diocesan records for St Michael's kept?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks Steve Hannam
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Hi Steve
If you go onto the British Library Newspaper Library website you can search for all local papers.
The Library is in Colindale, London and you can just turn up and view the papers, also Libraries in Retford may have copies of old papers.
Also try The Times online, if the scandal was big enough it would be reported, you can get access to the times by joining a library online, try joining one where you live or even in Retford if you don't live there.
Good luck, Borri
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Hi Steve
Very quick as I have to go out. Go to "Google Books" and search for Richard Hannam.
There is quite a lot there!!!!!
Eric
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Thanks to both of you for the info.
Steve
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Jan 2nd 1815 Attorney Mr Hannam East Retford < Nottingham--Bankrupt, on the Gale newspaper site.
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Thanks Larkspur
The Gale web site does not seem to be offering free trials at the moment, but thanks anway.
Steve
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I can access it through my library card.
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Thanks Larkspur
I must be missing something I have looked at all the Gale web sites and no success, do you have the web address that you access it by. I even tried the library drew a blank there too.
Thanks
Steve
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Hello...
I can't tell where you are from your profile but you can access the Nottinghamshire Library newspapers from here - just need your Nottinghamshire library card number: http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/ntm_ttda
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Thankyou Dizzy thats the one...
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Hi Steve...Hi Larkspur...
I hope Steve manages to get access..... amazing what you might find.
It looks like the Google Books that Eric mentioned seems to give more info than the newspapers, such as; http://www.rootschat.com/links/0a3u/
There are a few mentions of Richard Hannam in the newspapers
The Newcastle Courant etc , Saturday, March 15, 1828
The Sheffield Independent, and Yorkshire and Derbyshire Advertiser , Saturday, January 20, 1838 - death Richard Hannam snr
The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, March 16, 1839 = Partnership dissolved - Hannam & Wall
The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent , Saturday, January 19, 1856 = death Richard Hannam jnr
Nottinghamshire Guardian (London, England), Thursday, August 06, 1857
marriage of Charlotte Anne the eldest surviving dau of the late Richard HANNAM to George Robert Foster Haddelsey and at the same time Agnes Dennison the youngest dau of the late Richard HANNAM to John Henry Hutchinson
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Hi Dizzy
Thanks for all the help, I've found the problem I live in Scarborough which is in N Yorks and their libraries do not appear to subscribe to Infotrac so I shall have to find another way but at least I know what the problem is. Bye the way the Sheffield and Notts Hannams are mine,
Thanks again
Steve
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Hi Steve....
That's sad... :'(
If you don't come up with a way around it pm me and I will try and send you some of the newsclips.
I expect the Caister Hannam's are yours too....
The Morning Chronicle , Saturday, December 25, 1852 - death of Frances Mary Hannam, dau of Richard Hannam & granddaughter of the late Charles Fitzwilliam Hannam of Clixby Manor
I see there is a book for sale on ebay for the lost houses in Lincolnshire in which Clixby Manor gets a mention
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LOST-LINCOLNSHIRE-COUNTRY-HOUSES-VOLUME-6-ROBERT-PACEY-/350371543047
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If part of the scandal and the ensuing bankruptcy did involve elections, then the election took place in 1832. Pre reform it was the practise for Parliament to be dissolved on the death of the sovereign, and a new one elected by those few who had the vote. George IV died in 1832, and was succeeded by his brother, who became William IV.
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regarding the newspapers, the Leeds Mercury has been mentioned; however, I found a reference to a highway robbery carried out by my great grandfather's brother in the Gainsborough area in 1832 to have been reported in the Stamford Mercury.
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Hi Dizzy
Yes you are correct Frances Mary Hannam was my GGGrandmother. I have managed to find a solution I've joined Notts library on line just waiting for it to come through Thanks for all your help.
Redroger
I have most if the info about the election now thanks
Steve
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Brianz,
Just go to Lancashire Libraries online and join them. You don't have to live in Lancashire to join the library but you do have give them your name and address so they can send you a library card. Then you can go to their website and using your library card number gain access to around 72 newspapers and also the Times Digiatal online, 1785 to 1985.
Tom
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Hi Tom
Thanks for the info
Steve
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I live in Retford & should be able to get to the library next week, so I'll have a look & see if they've anything.
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Hi BrainDead
Thanks for the offer, I have most of the info on the Election scandal, it turned out that it was heard in the House of Lords not the Old Bailey in 1928about April. Any background on the two Richards would be appreciated though I don't know how much they will have, good hunting.
Best wishes
Steve
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Is the 1928 date referred to in the previous post an error for 1828? The matter being referred to in the House of Lords has two possible contexts 1) The final court of appeal of the decision in a case previously heard in lower courts, or 2) As it concerned elections it might have been the subject of a debate in the Lords. Do you know which please?
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Hi Redroger
The date was a typo it should have read 1828.
The hearing in the House of Lords was on the 26th and 27th of April 1830 to be exact. I have found a transcript at House of Lords Journal Vol 62. I am not sure in what context the debate was, it reads like an examination of the facts of the matter.
Steve
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From a consideration of the facts of the matter it may have resulted in a legal decision from the Judicial Committee of the House of Lords acting in its capacity as the highest court in England.
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Hi Redroger
Thanks for the ifno, I do not know what the out come was yet I am still looking.
Steve
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I'll have a good sniff around Retford Library tomorrow for you Steve, I went into the library today to book a microfiche reader, so I'll have a look at the parish records for your Hannams. If there are any specific details you'd like, let me know.
They don't seem to have any local papers from that period of time though but they told me I wasn't the first enquiry they've had recently about the scandal. They'd had a phone call recently and had looked up the information - was that you by any chance? They've only got a little information in one book, so they're looking that out for me.
I'll obviously let you know what I find & if anyone else is looking at this thread and wants information from Retford, let me know.
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Hi Braindead
It was me that has been in touch with Retford Library but only chasing Parish Records. They said the Parish records were in a poor condition and dificult to read. They did not mention a book in their reply, that might be very interesting. Could you have a quick look and see if there is anything relating to the Hannam's in it. There were several other Hannam's that died in Retford, Thomas, Vincent and others but I have not got that far yet. Thankyou very much for the offer to have a look.
Thanks
Steve
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There were several other Hannam's that died in Retford, Thomas, Vincent and others but I have not got that far yet. Thankyou very much for the offer to have a look.
Do you have any dates for these, just to make life a bit easier, even if just approximate?
Likewise for Frances Mary Hannam.
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Hi
Yes I have most of the details Frances Mary Hannam nee Fitzwilliam b abt Jul 1826 d abt Dec 1852, Vincent Hannam b abt Nov 1828 d abt May 1896, Thomas Hannam b abt 1824 d abt Mar 1896. There were 11 in the family in total all born between 1821 and 1839 so do not worry if you cannot find them I wil have to have a trip down to Retford at some point
Thanks again
Steve
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Hi
I've had a look at Retford library but I don't know how much I'll add to what you know.
There are three parish churches in Retford within about 20 minutes walk of each other: St Michaels (West Retford) St Swithuns (East Retford) and St Saviours.
Richard Hannam lived in East Retford and I found a couple of references in East Retford records and a couple in West Retford. I didn't get a chance to look at St Saviours at all, nor did I do an exhaustive search of the records I did look at, so I'm sure there will be more to dig out.
The records I found were:
Baptisms of Thomas Hannam, June 24th 1824 and Frances Mary Hannam, July 7th 1826 both in the East Retford parish records.
Burials of Anne Hannam, Dec 10 1828, and Richard Hannam, Jan 20th 1838, both in the West Retford Parish records.
Sorry I didn't have time to find more but I simply ran out of time.
I did photograph each microfiche, so if you pm me with your email, I'll send the photos to you. Quality isn't brilliant as it was my camera phone, but they are readable.
There is quite a bit in the general histories of Retford about the rotten borough scandal, the book I mentioned before is "The Book of Retford" by James Roffey, Barracuda Books 1991. I have copied the chapter about hte scandal & I'll scan it & send it to you as well if you want. Richard Hannam is mentioned a couple of times in it, but not in great detail, I'm afraid. It does give a good overview of the scandal though.
I hope this has been some help, though i'm conscious there's still a lot more to find out, given the time.
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Even tghe reform act of 1832 did not excise the rotten boroughs; there were several more during the 19th century, including one at Boston in the 1870s which resulted in the town being disenfranchised. What was the outcome at Retford?
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The result of the scandal at Retford was that the town was disenfranchised & the seats passed to Bassetlaw.
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Similar outcome to the later Boston scandal, merged into then Holland with Boston, now Boston and Skegness.