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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Buteshire => Topic started by: flyderaght on Saturday 09 April 05 05:46 BST (UK)
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I've found quite a bit on the scotlands people website-excellent resource. My family were in the whiting bay area, plus the holy Isle where my grandfather John was born in 1902. His father was born in 1867 in blairmore. There is also a Cummings link.
Marc
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Hi Flyderaght!
My family are also from Arran (now, there's a shock!! ;D )
Specifically some were farmers on Holy Isle, which if you have seen it is not very big! so at the very least we were neighbours!
Pleased to meet you!
Failing to remember which branch it was, but think it was the KELSOs. will get back to you when the info is to hand.
kind regards
Arranroots ;)
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Yes, my gr grandfather owned the original house where the monks are now based across from lamlash and owned around 100 acres of land if I've read the records correctly.
A question for anyone: Was or is it common for girls to be given full first & last names of female ancestors? I've come across this and thought they were adoptees, but I think I'm correct to think the name has been passed down.
thx,
marc
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Hello Marc
Certainly in my family there is not much variation in first names - lots of Janets, Williams and Alexanders. In addition, many women are given a middle name which was originally the surname of a grandparent or great grand parent: "Janet McMillan McIntyre", that sort of thing. The first name does not necessarily match - that is to say the grandparent in question was not necessarily Janet McMillan, but may have been Elizabeth McMillan.
I hope this makes sense! I am in touch with some Arran McIntyres in Vancouver - will see what the link is!
My Holy Isle KELSOs were a family of 11 children, father Peter, and they were farmers and fishermen. I have been to the farm in question and scrambled over the top of the island. Unfortunately many of my records are presently inaccessible.
Arranroots ;)
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Thanks, I wasn't aware of that, so when I looked at the records they did seem confusing, but it's now cleared up.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if there isn't a distant connection with those McIntyre's. Could you keep me in the loop on that?
thx,
marc
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Hi flyderaght
Came across this site accidentally whilst helping my wife with her family tree. On her tree John McIntyre who owned the house on the Holy Isle is her Gr Gr Gr Grandfather via her Granmothers side. If your intrested and require a picture of him you will find it in a book called 'Pictorial History of Arran' by Andrew Boyle, Pg 21, it's ISBN number is 0-907526-57-8 priced £8.50
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Hi Yoric :D
welcome to Rootschat! What a happy discovery - I hope you will find that members can help you with your wife's tree.
I haven't seen the book you mention, but am about to go looking for it! I have the older Book of Arran, which covers many aspects of the island's history and geology.
I am returning to the island in October if anyone needs (modern!) photos - I'll see what can be done.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots,
Thanks for the nice welcome.
In the afore mentioned book on Pg 99 there is a picture of a trading smack in the 1890's that owned by Kelso of Corrie. Their is also mention (Inc. Picture) of a Captain william Buchanan on Pg30. I hope you find the book useful.
Enjoy your holiday
Many thanks
Yoric
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Aha!
The vessel in question will probably be The Roman, my grandfather's Clyde Puffer. Sadly she was broken up some years ago, but we still have pictures to remember her by!
Good luck with your research and I hope Rootschat will be helpful to you.
Arranroots ;)
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Had a thought (beginner's luck) that the picture is more likely my gt grandfather's smack, used to convey stone from Arran to the mainland and goods on the return route.
A ;)
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Just rechecked the picture, it looks like the name of the was smack was 'Glen Sannox'. Built at Adrossan in 1878, 40ft long and traded out of Arran villages until the 1920s. Does that sound about right.
Yoric :)
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Hello Yoric and hello to my very distant cousin ;D. I'm assuming the John McIntyre we have in common was married to janet taylor. I'm descended thru His son john and his son John...kinda goes on doesn't it 8). My grandfather and his brother plus parents emigrated to Canada and became successful ranchers(sheep-what else would a scotsman do.. ;D) Interestingly, his parents went back to Scotland in the 1950's.
If your interested the museum on Arran has in it's posession the McIntyre family bible which was donated by a cousin who's now retired on Arran. My father has an oil painting of the home on the holy isle as it looked when the family owned it. It was done by Isabel McIntyre around 1921. I've taken a picture of it, so if you'd like me to send a copy, please email me as I'd be interested to see what you've uncovered. I do believe there is a picture in a London Museum that shows a relative who was a ships master standing at the helm in Glasgow I think.
The names of the children that I have for John & Janet are: John, Anna & Maria.
John's Parents name was James & Catharine McIntyre nee Currie. Janet's parents were named William taylor & Margaret Baird.
John was born Nov. 15th, 1828 Janet March 3rd, 1831 in Ochiltree-she died on August 24th 1894.
Alot of the info I've found was on the www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I spent some time looking for the book on the web and only the amazon uk site has it as it's a rare book so they say. fortunately , ive inlaws in the london area, so maybe they can help. My problem is I live on the west coast of canada so getting over to buy it isn't an option for me right now.
Please email me @ Moderator Comment:email address removed to avoid spam. Please use Personal Message System to share email addresses. Thank You.
Marc
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Hi Marc,
Nice to hear from you. The John McIntyre (Born 1828), my wife has got in her family tree had 11 children comprising of 9 Daughters and 2 Sons. My wifes grandmother is scribing everything she can recall of their names and as yet only given me 4 of the daughters names: Catherine, Anna, Maria and Violet. This does tie in with 2 of the names you supplied I will let you know of any further updates. By the way my wife is descended via Catherine McIntyre as follows:
Catherine McIntyre B:1858/ D: Aug 16th 1941 married John Montgomery B:1852/ D: Sep 26th 1938.
Their daughter Catherine Montgomery married Rodden Middleton (No dates available as yet) they had 3 children Joan (B: Nov 5th 1926), Rodney and David Middleton.
Joan married Charles Pellow had 1 daughter: Linda Pellow she married Andrew Mackie to have 2 children: David and Caroline (my wife).
If there is anything else we can supply or obtain for you please don't hesitate. Oh and I'll e-mail you regards pictures etc
Thanks
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Hi Yoric: thx for the info. There are several cousins in the lincolnshire area of england I believe according to a cousin who lives on Arran as that's where he lived.
the museum on arran, http://www.arranmuseum.co.uk/
has a file on the family. if you email grace small, she deals with the genealogy part of the museum and may be able to photocopy alot of the info for you. In fact, I do have some photocopies of the bible and there is info regarding James McIntyre showing a family tree with birth records etc.
marc
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Hi Yoric & Marc :D
Yes, the Glen Sannox was ours! The ferry that serviced the island has been named Glen Sannox too, after the area just to the north of Corrie.
I know that various family items have made their way into the Arran Museum and I am hoping to visit them in October!
Let me know if there is anything I can do to help anyone while I am there.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that my dad has the book you metion already - will check with him. i know such things are available on the island.
My Vancouver McIntyre contacts are still in touch, but not sure what their connection with your tree could be as yet.
Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots and Marc,
You two have certainly given me a lot to keep me busy and out of trouble for a bit. Its a shame I didn't discover this site before we went to Arran a couple of weeks ago we could have made better use of the museum- although at least now I know how to contact them and gather more info.
Please keep us updated as to the Vancouver link.
Thanks again,
Yoric
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The bible is very much a goldmine no doubt. Arranroots-sorry about the email being posted. I suspect grace should be a great help. The cousin on Arran is related as his mother was my grandfathers sister. Her married name was Jack.
marc
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Hi guys!
Should (fingers crossed) be off to Arran next week, so if there is anything I can do for you that doesn't entail climbing Goatfell, let me know! i will do my best! Due to meet Grace on Wednesday, but can't be sure I will have internet access as I am staying in somone else's house. Actually it WAS our house, but we are letting it out for a week!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots,
First off, I hope you have a brilliant time in Arran.
There is only one thing I can think of at this present time, but please don't go out of your way to or let it ruin your holiday.
If you do manage to go over to the Holy Isle (or Grace might know) please could you inquire (photograph if poss) if the names still exist that were carved into the sandstone of the house. The names: Wm McIntyre and J McIntyre were apparently still visable in 1980 but wether there still their now, I don't know. William (1865) and John (1867) McIntyre were supposedly responsable for this.
Best wishes, Yoric
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Grace was kind enough to send me the contents of the file she has which includes pics of the sandstone etchings.
AR, any chance you've got those names here in vancouver?
marc
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Hello Marc
I have been chatting with my dad about the exact link with the Vancouver folk (we call them cousins and visit them, but not sure exactly!) ;D
We think now that their McIntyre people may have been from Ayrshire, but we share links with them in other branches of the tree. Will have a word with them & with Grace & get back to you.
Arranroots on her way to Arran!
;)
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Hi Guys!
Just back from an exhausting but VERY worthwhile trip! Aside from the living rellies, I had access to photos and records of the ancestors, including a composite photo of my 2x gt grandparents & family at the time of their golden wedding!
Grace at the Heritage Centre is wonderful and her able assistant turns out to be a relative too - thanks for the lunch Jean!
Yoric: Grace does have the photos of the Holy Isle engravings still - best if you communicate direct with her about them. We had torrential rain & no-one was all that keen to bob over to Holy Isle, so we admired it from the shore at Lamlash.
The Heritage Centre comprises all sorts of records and they aim to collect more as they are able: if you have any to contribute they would welcome them, i am sure. I was given a family tree for BROWN while I was in Glasgow, which has been copied to the Museum archive and was being used to answer a query at the museum while I was there!
Marc, I am trying to work out the exact chronology, but it seems likely that your family were tenants of the Holy Isle either directly before or after my family. All the land was held by the Arran estates and tenanted out.
Hope this is coherent after my 11 hour journey!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Arranroots,
Thanks, I'll contact Grace.
Glad you enjoyed your holiday despite the weather.
All the best,
Yoric
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thx folks much appreciated. Interestingly, I was at a cousins wedding recently and was showing the picture from the holy isle at the top showing our gr gr grandfather. My cousin piped up and said that he'd seen the same pic in his dad's collection and that there were many pics of people they don't know. i'd suspect that many of those pics came from scotland. now the fun part begins-prying the pics from them.
Stewart: we leave next wednesday(21st) for england. Not sure if we can meet up though as time is short this trip. by the way, congratulations on the new arrival!
marc ;D
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Hi All,
I know this is quite an old thread but I have only come across it.
My gr gr gr Grandfather was a John McIntyre 1828c from Arran and he married a Janet Taylor.
They had a son James 1854c who married an Ellen Findlay 07/06/1878.
They had a daughter Janet Taylor McIntyre 01/07/1883 who married a Thomas Davidson 06/06/1902.
They had at least nine children some born in Arran and the rest born in Mainland Scotland. There youngest child, Janet Taylor McIntyre Davidson was my Grandmother.
I dont know much else as I have just started on the Arran side of the family. There may be a connection there.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Welcome to Rootschat!!
You have just discovered the best source of help on the internet!
I would heartily recommend contacting the Arran Heritage Centre, as they are very helpful too. I know that they are only there for a few hours a week in the winter (I believe Wednesdays) and their work is purely voluntary, but it might be worth the wait. Alternatively a visit would be productive and can also be recommended.
I hope you find some links.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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jackie, u have mail-welcome aboard cousin 8)
marc
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Dear All,
I found this while researching John McDonald, husband to my great aunt Elizabeth Reid (m1920). He was a widower when he married, and his first wife was Maria McIntyre whom he married in 1904. Hence the McIntyre connection.
I hve detail from the 1891 census on the McIntyres of Holy Isle, but would value help from others who have more information on what seems to have been a large family with grandchildren living on the island too.
Alasdair
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Hi Alasdair
Welcome to Rootschat! :)
I hope Yoric and Marc are still around to share info - Jackie too, of course!
I don't think I can help with specific info, but give a shout if you need any guidance about using the site.
Once again, I highly recommend contacting the Arran Museum in Brodick if you haven't donw so before (they'll be on winter hours by now I imagine, so be patient!)
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Alasdair
If you'd like to PM me your E-mail address I can send you all the info I have on the McIntyre's. Most of what I have was kindly shared by Yoric and Marc and I will gladly pass on what I have.
Jackie
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Dear Both,
Thank you for being so prompt in reply. I have already used the Arran museum and found them helpful. I am also trying to chase another relative - my great x2 grandmother who was Jane Galt and seems to have been christened at Kilmory Parish in Arran - so used the Arran museum. Still not clear about where her parents Robert Galt and Mary McAllister came from (Mary probably from Arran) - but they did help all they could.
I have more information on Maria McIntyre's husband John McDonald whose son (my father's cousin) I think I have found in Australia.
Jackie,
I have sent you my e-mail address and look forward to sharing any information.
Alasdair
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Hello Alasdair, and hello to everyone else.
Still around , just not as often as I would like.
I am always willing to help where I can. Just let me know what you need and I'll e-mail it to you. Between us we should help fill in some blanks you may have (and maybe some of our blanks).
Hope everyone is keeping well.
best wishes,
Yoric
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Hi, I realise this is an old thread but the information is probably still relevant for people looking for Arran McIntyres so am posting here.
I have read this thread several times and names here are a different one to the ones I am looking for. I am sure they will be related somehow though. In the hope that somone can point me in the right direction here is the point I have got back to:
I have a John McIntyre (b1809-?parents Donald McIntyre and Catherine Cook) married to Margaret Hamilton in 1862 (b1834 daughter of Archibald Hamilton {his mother poss Elizabeth?}and Janet McAlister)
Their descendants are farming Hazelburn (currently the land is on the market) Sliddery Lamlash Arran so I feel Donald McIntyre should be traceable in parish records or similar. I have drawn a blank at the local LDS so far.
Can anyone tie in?
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I googled McIntyre, Hazelburn, Arran as I am tracing my family line. My grandmother Janet McIntyre was born at Hazelburn, Sliddery in January 1901. I visited the farm many times as a child. I was named Janet McIntyre after my granny who moved to Ayrshire when she was 18. My parents married in Ayrshire and moved to Perthshire. Is there any other McIntyres out there who can tie in with Hazelburn McIntyres.
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Hi, I'm trying very quickly to get a start on the info on the McIntyres of Holy Isle.
My great Gran was one of the 'girls' from the Island - born Feb 15th 1878 as M S McIntyre. I think that's Margaret S. She married Archibald Gray master builder Saltcoats.
My Gran Catherine Jane Gray, married John Paterson in 1917
As we are calling into the Heritage centre in about 9 days time, volcano and BA strikes permitting, I hope you are still out there to share your knowledge.
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Hello-can you provide more info? I've looked at what I do have, and the closest may be Maria or Anna but no Margaret unless there were other MacIntyres on Arran, which is possible.
You will find Grace at the museum is a great help as she has quite a bit including the family bible. My forebearer was a farmer on the holy isle, John McIntyre.
Marc
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Marc,
I have my Gran's birth cert 8/1/1895 which states her mother was Margaret Grey (M S Mcintyre) born 15/2/1878 holy Isle, Lamlash.
I understand M S Mcintyre was one of a large family of 8 girls and 3 boys who lived in the white house on the island.
I too have stayed there around the early 1950's.
One of the other island sisters also married a Paterson who had a son John Paterson who I think in turn married his Cousin being my gran!
GW I will visit Grace next week
John
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OK
I'm not fully into all of this however I now see "M S" on other birth certificates (under the mother's married name) meaning Maiden Surname.
My Great Gran from Holy Isle was still recorded on my Gran's BC as Margaret (Gray) but that could have been an affectionate name.
Do you have a family tree available?
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Welcome to Rootschat, John!
What a lovely photo - I do hope Grace and Jean can help you out at the Heritage centre - give them our love please!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi John, her parents likely would've been John and Janet McIntyre. Janet was a taylor and yes I do have a tree and a bunch of other stuff document wise. I'm related via their son John and then his son John. my grandfather emigrated along with his brother william and their parents to Canada where he was a rancher in Saskatchewan. My gr grandparents returned to Scotland after ww2.
marc
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Hi Marc,
The moderator has picked up your email address on your last posting. It is now blocked to me until I send this as a third posting when I can enter the PM room.
I will check out the links and try to PM you ASAP.
John
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John, you should now be able to click on the little green "scroll" under people's names and send PMs that way.
:)
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hi,
Got it. Now writing to Marc and have spoken to the AHC. getting closer!! writing to Grace also
thanks loads
John
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OK folks,
My research has uncovered a family tree constructed between my mother (Margaret McIntyre Paterson) and my aunt Isobella Forest (M/S Raeside) mother Annie Raeside (M/S McIntyre) daughter of Janet McIntyre (M/S Taylor) and John McIntyre.
Therefore it appears my Gt Gt Grand parents were Janet McIntyre (M/S Taylor) and John McIntyre.
Now need to see the family bible at the AHC
John
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That would make us, to ,many cousins apart to count. I do have info if grace can;t give you, I will. I happen to be in Niagara falls tonight. got your pm(sorry out that mr moderator:) )
marc
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Marc,
Probably 3rd Cousin, - "Cousin Mark"!
Where does that put Cousin Yoric?
I look forward to receiving what you can send. I have made contact with two people at the AHC and will see them on Sunday.
We will be in Calgary on the 26/6 for a few weeks - will wave as we fly over the Falls!!
Do you have this photograph? I'm wondering who the Boss in the front is??
John
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Mister Moderator?
I'm a girl!!
:o ;D
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I've got the book actually. Let me know what grace can give you rather than me send you stuff she may give. my apologes Miss moderator LOL :)
your right 3rd cousins. It would be the same with yoric I think. I use rootsmagic software. Let me see what I can come up with re emailing stuff.
Marc
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Funnily enough I just got back from Niagara falls tonight. If your flying from the UK to Calgary, they fly the Polar route, so you won't be anywhere near them. I live 5 hrs east near Ottawa. You'll enjoy the stampede. take in the rodeo and chuckwagon races. if you like rodeo, the best in the world compete there. besides, you gotta be baked in the head to get on a 1500pd bull for 8 seconds!
marc
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Hey Marc
What book are you referring too as I don't have anything else. Presume you are relating to the bonfire photograph?
Did I mention I have an extensive tree from Janet (Taylor) & John McIntyre down 2 generations of the 11 family lines? other lines go down 5 but your line with John McIntyre-Margaret Cummings but I only have their daughter Annie McIntyre.
If you can assist and to clarify so far I have 8 girls and 3 boys -
Elizabeth, Annie, Catherine, John, James, Janet, Violet, Margaret, Archie, Maria and Mary
I can wait till my Sunday visit to AHC if you wish.
Yea, left over Iceland!, then greenland and north east Canada. Pancake breakfasts here we come.
John
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My (Peter) KELSO family on Holy Isle also had 11 children - no telly though!
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They had 4 children: Anne Waterston, John( my grandfather) Jenny(janet Taylor) and William. Annie married Gavin Hamilton, Jenny Married James Jack, Their son James(I think goes by Jim lives in Brodick I believe. John and William came to Canada along with their parents. My understanding is William took his own life unfortunately. their parents returned to Scotland after WW2 and died there.
marc
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It's a book about arran and that was one of the pics. It's buried in a box at the moment.
marc
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December 2010
Hi all,
We had a great trip to Scotland and went to the Heritage museum. Met a relative Joan Pellow - GM Catherine McIntyre.
I have now put together a family tree. I also have a copy of the family register which shows 13 children to John McIntyre and Janet Taylor. there are a few spaces to be filled in and perhaps some mods so let me know what you know.
I am sending the tree link to Marc and if anyone else would like same, again let me know.
John
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Hi, I posted a while back in hope that I could join the party, but no joy yet so
are any of you linked in to
Donald McIntyre b1781 m Janet Cook b 1780 OR
Archibald Hamilton b 1797, m(1822) Janet McAlister b1798
If you are have you got any further back?
Thanks
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Sorry for not replying to your earlier post but that was in the beginning for me. As I didn't (and still don't see a connection) I left your post aside.
From my research I am aware of other family seats in Arran, Sliddery has also been mentioned along with other locations and not just in Arran.
I suggest you contact Arran Heritage Centre in Brodick ask for G.S. They have a good stock of family records and are more than helpful.
I do have the email address but don't believe I can post that here. Ask Madame Moderator - Arranroots knows.
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having visited my parents recently, dad reminded me of what our cousin jim jack had said. jim lived in Lincolnshire many years and has said that there were quite a few family members who lived there.
marc
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Hello,
I just found this site and it raised memories. My mother Barbara Smith (nee Gray) always told me that the family had come from Arran / Holy Isle. I had a aunt and uncle of the McIntyre name who, like us, lived in Saltcoats. When I used to go across to Lamlash, all the older people use to recognise me by my family looks and seemed to know my mother and grandmother without me uttering a word. I found it somewhat amazing to be honest.
I remember being told a story of my great great great grandfather ? (Old Will) who farmed on Holy Isle having seven daughters and how he stood on the top looking for suitors for his daughters. I am not sure how much truth there is in it.
I seem to recall playing with either a Jim or Robert (when I used to go to Lamlash or Brodick on holiday). Bobby or Jim Dick also rings a bell.
The comments from members just made me recall it. Not sure how much truth or what the coonection is. But would be interesting to find out.
Tom
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Tom,
You might be connected to John McIntyre(1828-1904) from the Holy Isle, Lamlash, Isle of Arran.
There are a two Barbara Grays but you need to add dates to your ancestors and your connections.
There was Archibald Gray who married Margaret McIntyre b 1856 who had 8 children.
This may be your connection : William Gray/Barbara Gray (around 1900's) and their son and daughter Archie Gray & Barbara Gray(around 1930's). Unfortunately I don 't have any of their exact dates
Let me know if this is where you want to be, also my tree is on MyHeritage.com
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Hi Tom-I think the Jim Dick your referring to is likely Jim Jack. Jim is the son of Annie, my grandfathers sister.
I believe he is near brodick.
Marc
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Hello McIntyreDownUnder,
I think I just lost the reply I composed. So lets try again! Apologies if it appears twice and slightly different.
My Grandfather was William Gray, his children, my mother and uncle was Barbara and Archibald Gray born in the 1920's. My Grandmother Gray I believe was nee McIntyre. I had an Uncle Robert McIntyre (my grandmother's brother) who lived in Saltcoats. My Grandpa Gray was in his seventies when he died around 1973/74. So all of that tracks with what you know.
Interesting to hear about the family of 8 as that could be the one I was always told about. Love to know more about your tree as it has really piqued my interest. I have a cousin, another William Gray who is the son of my Uncle Archibald and Aunt Margaret Gray.
Hello Flyderaght,
You may be right about Jim Jack, although the name Dick is firmly stuck in my mind. I may have a picture somewhere of him and my older brother George, teasing me on Lamlash or Brodick beach. they had a bit of seaweed and told me it was a big crab. I could only have been about 3 - 4 at the time.
Tom
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Hello Again McIntyre Down Under,
I just read further back another interesting point you raised. My Mother, Barbara nee Gray told me that part of the family were master builders and some moved to Aberdeen where they built much of the old town.
Tom
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I will get the tree made available to you. there are some protocols to go through but I've forgotten so I will speak to the moderator.
In case you had not worked it out flyderaght and I, we found out through this site, are second or third cousins but we are still sorting out the tree. you probably fit in there somewhere!
I think you are on the right track and now you need the exact dates and names etc. can you access their certificates or someone who remembers them? I knew Robert and Mary Gray in Salcoats but not Robert McIntyre. are you sure of the names? I need to say I also need to check this
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My, that was quick! I am working in Germany, but due to leave next week as my contract ends. So not particularly busy!
I will have to wait until I get home to see if I can sort out dates. Have a chat with my older brother. Unfortunately when my Grandpa Gray my Uncle Archie kept most of the family records. He died a few years ago so my Aunt probably still has them somewhere.
I am not too sure about My Uncle Robert, pretty sure McIntyre was the surname, but will check. I believe he used to own a shop in Countess Street, Saltcoats or may have worked there. Sorry if a bit vague, but all a long time ago now. I will need to chat with my brother or give my cousin Billy (William Gray) a ring.
Tom
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Tom, what is your Aunt's first name?
John
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Tom,
now I'm having further thoughts. We definitely need lots of date and exact names data. Gather it while you can.
It sounds like your Aunt is possibly my grandmother's niece or my mother's cousin. G'm was Catherine Gray 1894-1966 one of the 13 McIntyre children from the Holy Isle.
I also know one of the Grays was into "Master Building". lots of stories about who built the the lighthouse on Holy Isle etc.
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Hi there,
My Aunt is Margaret, married my Uncle Archibald Gray. I might not be able to sort out dates until I get back to the UK. But will give my brother a call later. The family moved to the south of England some years ago, otherwise would have gone to Ardrossan Cemetery and had a look at the headstones. This is quite fascinating I have to say. Like many families we never recorded things of older generations, but having the known link to Arran and the Holy Isle has given good clues.
Tom
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Hi There,
I just realised that my Aunt Margaret would not be related to you as she married my Uncle Archie Gray, so he is the Gray link, not her. The Gray / McIntyre link would be from my grandparents and Great Uncle and Aunt.
Tom
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Hi, hope all is well with your research.
A Jack member has linking data to the Jack tree descending from Janet Taylor McIntyre.
These descendants are in Australia
Hear sometime
John
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Hey Marc
did you pick up on this post?
Tom Hi, hope all is well with your research.
A Jack member has linking data to the Jack tree descending from Janet Taylor McIntyre.
These descendants are in Australia
Hear sometime
John
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Hi,
Yes all fine thank you. I am waiting for my older brother to dig out some information for me. I really ought to look at some sort of tree to see how things fit in. Grace has really been helpful and yes it appears all the links are there, just a case of joining together.
I actually worked in Sydney some years ago, where are you living?
Cheers
Tom
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Forestville North Shore
Grace is indeed very helpful.
The Jack connection referred to earlier shows 4 in the two family trees all with correct names and dates but mother Janet Taylor McIntyre is shown as a Macgregor. It could be typo.
Need more Jack family info
John
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Sorry everyone, being back in school after a number of years takes up time. Ok, Jenny Jack was my gr aunt as she was my grandfather John McIntyres sister. As far as I know, her son Jim Jack has returned to Arran and lives near Brodick I think. If anyone is researching the Cummings family, quite a few moved to Canada. I will have to ask my dad exactly where as many settled in the same town.He was in Canada a few years back visiting and stopped in and saw dad with some of the Cummings clan. He lived in Licolnshire for many years and said that there were quite a few MacIntyre's there. John, I saw the Jack link on your site and sent a message along, but no contact as yet.
Someone mentioned the lighthouse. Dad has a telescope that apparently got its start there and then ended up in whiting bay where it was used to watch the girls on the beach or so the story goes.:) Also, dad has a wooden cane that apprently was used by an uncle of sorts who had served in the Boer war.
Marc
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Good to hear from you. what are you doing at "School"?
We (Tom & Marc) need to develop the Jack tree as it may have some older data before John McIntyre 1828/1904 and the bonfire.
I have added Jenny Jack to my tree to see if Smart Matches picks up on that. do you have her dates because I think I've put her with the wrong John McIntyre
My tree link is http://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-124271811/fagg
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Hi John-network admin is what I am taking. The jacks are a link I never travelled down.. I will ask my dad for jims addy and send an snail nail to him and see what he may know. i guess it is winter down your way. gillam manitoba had 20 cm of snow the other day.
marc
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I think the info in the Jack side of your tree is incorrect as Jenny was born in 1904 and her husband james would have been 89 when she was born.
Marc
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Hi Marc,
Are you still there?
We are using My Heritage and now onto familysearch.org
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Hi there John
Good to hear from you! Yes still kicking. 8) I get the emails from My heritage actually. I do need to ask a question about the Jack family links you have.
I have an email, just not sure it is valid still for you.
Marc
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Hi I have a copy of the photograph of the bonfire shown in these posts. My family were from Lamlash, Hyslop's and Stewart's, and I believe that some of them may be in the photograph. I know they lived at Benlester and my Great Great Grand Grandfather, Andrew Hyslop was a shepherd. He wasn't from Arran, but married an Arran lass, Catherine Stewart from Corriecravie.
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I was wondering is your copy of the picture quite good? The reason I wa asking is that I only have a digital copy and it is not great.
marc
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Hi Folks,
I noted this is a very old thread but some of you may not know that the Indexes on scotlandspeople are now free which helps immensely & only 6 credits per download (£1.50) unless you have to order any which are within the privacy yrs.
Annie
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Tx Annie. good to know! ;D
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Arranroots - are we related? Found this forum by accident whilst googling Holy Isle and my Great Grandmother's (who I never met) name - Isabella Kelso. My grandmother, who I was mostly raised by in Norfolk was Flora Ruddock (nee Kelso). She was born in 1896 and died in 1999 aged 102. She lived with her father Peter and mother Isabella on Holy Isle from around 1911 to 1920. 11 children in all I believe and my grandmother was the last to pass away. I have some photos and newspaper articles about her and life on Holy Isle and made a video of her when she reached her 100th birthday in which she talks mostly about her wonderful life on Holy Isle. When the island was bought by the Buddhists, they came to Norfolk to give a talk in Norwich and they invited her to present her with a beautiful framed picture of Holy Isle. All throughout my childhood and adult life (she died when I was 37) she spoke with such love for the island and her beautiful parents. Her heart was always in Scotland. She was born at Ferry Cottage Blackwaterfoot along with all her siblings. I would love to be in touch with you and to send you the articles and pictures. Her daughter, Isabel, is my mother and she is still alive. She's 91 now and I can't wait to visit her today to tell her about my find on this forum. I believe my grandmothers parents rented the island from the Duke and Duchess of Montrose. Hope to hear back from you. Photo is of my nan on her 100th birthday.
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May I, as a "local" (Saltcoats born) offer some data you may not possess? The following information is extracted from Ardrossan & Saltcoats Herald (A&SH) BDM databases at ayrshire-roots.co.uk
Archibald Gray and Margaret McIntyre of Holy Isle celebrated their Silver Wedding anniversary during February 1903 (Notice, A&SH 20 February 1903).
Margaret Gray, daughter of Archibald Gray & Margaret McIntyre, died 15 July 1907 at South Stonyholm, Kilbirnie (In Memoriam, A&SH, 17 July 1908 edition).
Archibald Gray died 14 May 1909 at Whiting Bay, Arran (In Memoriam, A&SH 19 May 1911 edition).
Margaret McIntyre, widow of Archibald Gray, died 02 June 1912, at Saltcoats aged 57 years (Notice A&SH 07 June 1912 and 30 May 1915 editions).
James McIntyre, husband of Jeannie Collins & eldest son of the late John McIntyre of Holy Isle died (possibly mid-late July) 1927 at Lamlash (Notice, A&SH 29 July 1927 edition).
Sincerely
q98
Fremantle, WA
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Hi there. Yes I am familiar with the names. Margaret would have been my gr grandfather John McIntyre's sister. I am also aware of the Grey connection. As to the Kelsos I have heard the name but as far as I know there is no connection, but you never know.
Marc
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Hello, Kaf62. As your mother is happily still alive, you would be better to remove her name from your post. RootsChat has a policy of not naming living people or posting information which may identify them.
Interesting reading.
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Hi KAF62
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. What a wonderful story about Flora - thank you so much for posting about her. Yes, we are distantly related: she would have been my first cousin, twice removed, apparently. I have been lucky enough to visit the Holy Isle and climb from one end to the other, over the top. I hope you have also been able to get there.
I already had basic information about Flora's parentage but not her date of birth or death. I knew who she had married and am happy to hear that she had children and grandchildren and apparently a happy life. I share her love of Scotland, though I haven't been back for a while :)
I will try to DM you, if I can remember how!
Kind regards, Arranroots :)
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Hi KAF62
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. What a wonderful story about Flora - thank you so much for posting about her.
I will try to DM you, if I can remember how!
You can either click on the Personal Message symbol below a person's name or go to their profile.
KAF62 has posted only once so won't be able to use the personal message option yet.
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if the names still exist that were carved into the sandstone of the house. The names: Wm McIntyre and J McIntyre were apparently still visable in 1980 but wether there still their now, I don't know. William (1865) and John (1867) McIntyre were supposedly responsable for this.
Can you tell us anything about the parents of William & John please?
Annie
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Hello there. John and Williams' parents were John and Janet(Taylor) McIntyre. Yorics family and myself share the same tree. I am the son Johns gr grandson. I am happy to help you in regards to info as much as I can. As an FYI the museum in Brodick has a great deal of info in regards to the family as well.
I am located in Canada
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Hello all.
I live on Holy Isle and have spent a few rainy days rummaging through old boxes.
Here's a picture of the McIntyres on Holy Isle.
(https://i.imgur.com/FhPc2DT.jpg)
It appears to be from about the same time as the photos attached to these posts:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=49044.msg3216874#msg3216874
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848874.msg7161637#msg7161637
Some of the McIntyres carved their names on a cave wall behind my hut. I'll take a picture soon.
Also, I found an article by Flora Kelso about growing up on the Isle if anyone is interested.
Cheers :)