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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: Glory1505 on Wednesday 20 October 10 21:40 BST (UK)
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Hi There
Can anyone tell me the parents of James Burnett b. 1846, d. 1925.
We have him as being from Mullingar, Westmeath however frequently appears in the English census as from Longford. He was working as a policeman in England by the 1850s.
I was told there are no Irish birth certificates prior to the 1860s and am in England so can't visit the local parish.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated as to how I can trace this line back as have reached a dead end.
He married Sarah Ann Edmonds from Warwickshire and had 10 children (9 girls, 1 boy!)
Thanks
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Civil registration of births started in 1864 but to find church records (if they exist) you'll need to know the family's religion and where they lived.
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My Grandma tells me they were Protestants from Mullingar.
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A first step might be to search for his marriage, as a cert would show his father's name. Do you know if this was in England ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Mullingar is in Co. Westmeath and not that close to Co. Longford... maybe 30km to the west of Mullingar town.
Shane
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Protestant is not a religions denomination- you'll need to know if they were Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Quaker, or whatever.
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in case you dont have the marriage cert, these look like the index references required for a cert.
Jun Quarter 1878
Registration Distrct : Kensington
volume: 1a
page: 206
Names
James Burnett
Christopher Venn Childe
Sarah Ann Edmonds
Gardeazabal Ramon
Harriette Emily Grane
(from freebmd)
Shane
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I asked my Grandma again and she says he was Church of Ireland.
Can anyone recommend where I can search for more information about him before he moved to England?
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I had a look at the English census returns, and any that I found that for James which state a specific county have Longford. Just wondering what evidence there is for Mullingar ?
If he was born in Longford you will need to know more details of where - i.e. which townland or parish.
What does the 1911 census have for his place of Birth ?
Do you already know his father's name and occupation from the marriage cert ?
If so it might be worth searching for him on Griffith's valuation. This was a land tax survey that was taken around the time of James' birth. This would give you some locations where Burnett households were in the county at the time. See : Griffith's Valuation on AskAboutIreland (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml)
Shane
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If you want to try searching online, you could try the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) at : http://www.rootsireland.ie Note they only have details for a few Church of Ireland parishes for counties Longford & Westmeath.
I had a quick search of the index of details they hold, but didn't see any results for a James Burnett baptism around 1846 in either county, although there are some other Burnett baptisms close to that year in Co. Longford.
Shane
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I've had a look on the Griffiths Valuation.
I believe his father's name was John Burnett and there are several in County Longford in the Parishes of Forgney, Mostrim and Taghsheenod so one of these must be him.
We got county westmeath from my Grandma but I think she must be mistaken as James Burnett constantly gives his place of birth as Longford.
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I was told there are no Irish birth certificates prior to the 1860s and am in England so can't visit the local parish.
A marriage cert should exist. The Irish civil registration system was introduced in April 1845 but was initially restricted to non-Catholic marriages. Births, deaths and Catholic marriages were not included.
Only in January 1864 did it become obligatory to register all births, marriages and deaths with the authorities at local registration districts.
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-civil-registration.html
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I already posted that registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 at the start of this thread but wonder if the marriage didn't take place in England since the bride was born in Warwickshire and he was "working as a policeman in England by the 1850s."
English marriage certificates, like Irish ones, only list fathers' names and occupations and mothers' names are not included.
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Yes that's why I was wondering if a marriage cert should exist which is why I posted;
"A marriage cert should exist. The Irish civil registration system was introduced in April 1845 but was initially restricted to non-Catholic marriages."
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Don't know if this one is related http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8906f80934555 from Kenagh, Co Longford
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There is a marriage in www.freebmd.org.uk for a James Burnett to Sarah Ann Edmonds in Kensington district (volume 1a page 206). The marriage certificate should list his father's name and occupation.
However, this bit of you first post doesn't make sense: "James Burnett b. 1846, d. 1925. We have him as being from Mullingar, Westmeath however frequently appears in the English census as from Longford. He was working as a policeman in England by the 1850s."
Also, if he was born in 1846 and was appearing in English records in 1850s it likely that he moved to England with his family so it would be worth searching for other Burnetts born in Ireland in the same area.
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Yes that's why I was wondering if a marriage cert should exist which is why I posted;
"A marriage cert should exist. The Irish civil registration system was introduced in April 1845 but was initially restricted to non-Catholic marriages."
Agree that a marriage certificate should exist but it would be in England not Ireland so no point in explaing about Irish civil registration.