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I have George Tubman (Corracanway) & Elizabeth Foster (Shannon) who married 03/Jul/1872 in Kilmore. Elizabeth died 06/Mar/1890 Kilmore, Derheena, Derryheen, age 44yrs.
Children found:
Robert Abt 1873, 1901 & 1911 Census.
William George Abt 1883, 1901 & 1911 Census. Married Jane Stafford 15/Sep/ 1915, in Billis.
Francis (Frank) 01/Apr/1885 Kilmore, 1901 Census not on 1911?. IGI has marriage to Margaret Lang and several children, which notes Frank's parents names and marriage Abt 1913.
I cannot find any documents for Frank's family, marriage or childrens births, can anyone confirm these events in Cavan.
Anything also welcome on Elizabeth Fosters parents (Father: John on Irish Church Marriage Record but no Mother's name noted.) or any other siblings.
Any help on the above, most welcome.
Duncan.
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That Tubmam/Lang marriage on the IGI is submitted, so date and/or place be an estimate or guess by the person that posted the details.
I dont see any Margaret Lang marriage between 1910 and 1915 in Ireland on the civil BMD Index.. but there is one Francis Tubman marriage in Longford..
Where were their children born ?
p.s. Mother's names are not shown in Marriage certs.
Shane
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Hi Shane,
IGI record notes that children were born in Cavan, checked the birth records and none stands out as them. Person who submitted file is quite specific about a few of their deaths but no place inserted for demise. Marriage was noted as Gowna, Cavan Ireland, Abt 1913:
William George, Abt 1914 - 02/Aug/1991
Francis, Abt 1916 _ 03/Sep/1984
John, Abt 1918 - Abt 1922
Cyril Louis, Abt 1920 - Abt 1944
Cecil Robert, Abt 1926 - 23/Oct/1993.
All noted as Derena, Cavan, Ireland:
Duncan.
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With a rare surnames like Tubman and Lang they should be easy to find on the Civil Index...
do you have certs for any of the family ?
Any details from the IGI should only be treated as possible clues... and need verification with civil or other records
Shane
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found a possible matches for two of the children on the civil index :
Name: Cyril Louis Tubman
Registration District: Cavan
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1923
Volume Number: 3 / Page Number: 70
Name: William George Tubman
Registration District: Cavan
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1914
volume : 3 / page : 71
It might be worth ordering cert to confirm the details of the parents. see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
p.s. there's also a more recent 1930 birth for Tubman/Lang which you can find using mother maiden name in the search on the index.
Shane
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Marriage was noted as Gowna, Cavan Ireland, Abt 1913:
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I've just seen a Lough Gowna in the west of Co. Cavan, and it's very close to the border with Co. Longford... so maybe that marriage I mentioned earlier could fit after all ?
Name: Francis Tubman
Registration District: Granard
Event Type: Marriage
Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1912
volume : 3 / page : 123
The town of Granard which is the base of the district is just over 12km from Lough Gowna.. The Granard registration district include townlands in Longford, Westmeath and Cavan.
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Thank you for the information. I do have documents for the family from Irishroots site. Francis's Irish Church Baptism Record being one. I did look for that Longford Marriage you suggested but could not find one under either Tubman or Lang. I cannot see any of their children listed on the site.
Prefer to get documents online, and official BMD's are a bit pricey for distant family connections, being in Glasgow.
Thanks again Shane.
Duncan.
P.S. Irish Documents offer little by way of confirmation on some, lots of the boxes remaining blank most of the time? I find this difficult to understand, comparing them to our Scottish ones.
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Research certs from the GRO only cost €4 which is less than a IrishRoot/IFHF record.
The IrishRoots website is mainly parish records and these often do not contain as many details as civil records (details included vary by parish). For most areas the website also only includes birth & marriage data up to about 1900 so may not not include that 1913 marriage, or any of their children.
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
and these topics for the details that civil certs contain :
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
Shane
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Cheers Shane,
I'll study your links closely, I was referring to GRO certs at 10 euros each.
I have only been trying out your Irish sites for the past few weeks and still on a learning curve here, your aid pointers are greatly appreciated.
Duncan.
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research certs from the GRO should only cost €4. The dearer certs are for legal purposes - passports etc and not necessary for family history research.
The research certs are photo-copies of the original registers which can be useful, as you get to see the original placenames etc. The transcripts for full certs can sometimes lose some of this detail if the writing is difficult to read.
Shane
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Thanks Shane,
just reading all the information on documents now, that you sent, will attempt to order one or two from Roscommon and see how it goes.
Cheers,
Duncan.
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My great-great-grandmother was a Catherine Foster who was living in Kilmore at time of her marriage, whose father was also John. I'd say it's pretty likely this is the same person. Did you manage to find out any more information about that branch?
For sure they were Church of Ireland on my tree.
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Party 1 Name GEORGE TUBMAN
Party 2 Name ELIZABETH FOSTER
Date of Event 03 July 1872
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11317/8152709.pdf
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Civil reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for FOSTER of Cavan
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mbe/
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Do we know any details on Elizabeth Foster (nee Shannon]? Did she come from Limavady?
cheers
Jack Gee
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Do we know any details on Elizabeth Foster (nee Shannon]? Did she come from Limavady?
cheers
Jack Gee
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Elizabeth Foster was living in Shannow at the time she married.
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Do we know any details on Elizabeth Foster (nee Shannon]? Did she come from Limavady?
cheers
Jack Gee
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Elizabeth Foster was living in Shannon at the time she married.
;D ;D
Research needs to be done!!
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I just edited my post, think it's Shannow Co.Cavan
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I just edited my post, think it's Shannow Co.Cavan
Yes, it clearly states Shannow as Residence!
So there is no Shannon as Maiden Name.
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A spinster wouldn't have a maiden name anyway. :o you know what I mean :D
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A spinster wouldn't have a maiden name anyway.
Touché ;D ;D !
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I photographed Ballintemple.... a few Fosters there which, with further research, might connect to same family.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/cavan/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
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I have George Tubman (Corracanway) & Elizabeth Foster (Shannon) who married 03/Jul/1872 in Kilmore. Elizabeth died 06/Mar/1890 Kilmore, Derheena, Derryheen, age 44yrs.
Children found:
Robert Abt 1873, 1901 & 1911 Census.
William George Abt 1883, 1901 & 1911 Census. Married Jane Stafford 15/Sep/ 1915, in Billis.
Francis (Frank) 01/Apr/1885 Kilmore, 1901 Census not on 1911?. IGI has marriage to Margaret Lang and several children, which notes Frank's parents names and marriage Abt 1913.
I cannot find any documents for Frank's family, marriage or childrens births, can anyone confirm these events in Cavan.
Anything also welcome on Elizabeth Fosters parents (Father: John on Irish Church Marriage Record but no Mother's name noted.) or any other siblings.
Any help on the above, most welcome.
Duncan.
Not marriage to Margaret Lang
BUT
marriage to Margaret Laing 06 November 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09931/5610575.pdf
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There is no Foster in Shannow in Griffith's Valuation but there is a John Foster in Shannow Lower, print date 1857.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
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Found in A genealogical and heraldic history of the landed gentry of Great Britain & Ireland (Volume 1) p.455:
(https://i.imgur.com/mkkTBsJ.png)
Could this be the father John Foster? Hmm, or maybe a father of him?
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John Foster death 1900 Shannow age 88
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05760/4627089.pdf
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00363.pdf
son John ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Derrin/Shannow_Lower/1061438/