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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Clare => Topic started by: knesfeder on Tuesday 26 October 10 18:35 BST (UK)
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REVISED October 28, 2010
My great grandfather Denis Considine (born approximately December 5, 1864 – believed to be the son of John Considine and Kate Carmody) and his wife Bridget (McMahon) (born approximately September 24, 1868 believed to be the daughter of Andrew and Margaret Clohessy) moved to the USA around 1914. I have the ship register and Denis's citizenship papers and their marriage certificate. They were married at the Chapel of Doonbeg in Cragaknock, Clare,Kilrush Ireland on September 6th, 1887. I believe Bridget was from Kilrush (Quilty) and Denis is also from Clare.
I am trying determine if either Denis or Bridget had any brothers or sisters and if the parent information I have is correct--which I believe it is. I believe the information I have on Bridget is correct because we've just determined that she has a brother John who was christened in the Chapel of Doonbeg on May 27, 1870. I have just requested their birth certificates from the Republic of Ireland. I also determined that John was married to a Mary and they had four children. Bridget, Michael, Margaret and Ellen. They lived in Ballard, Killard, Clare, Ireland.
I've only been able to trace back to their marriage but can't get past this point. I appreciate any assistance or guidance you can provide.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
IGI (www.familysearch.org) lists 1 child of John Considine and Kate Carmody- Denis born 5 Dec.1864 Craggaknock, Co.Clare (page 374 in civil register).
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Thank you for your reply. That is where I found what I believe to be his birth date. I'm stuck at this point. I'm trying to determine whether he had any brothers or sisters. The same with his wife. Any suggestions on where to go from there? I'm in the process of trying to obtain church records but its a slow process. I appreciate any assistance.
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Looks like Dennis and Bridget, family and a Clohesy relative in 1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Doonbeg/Carrowmore_North/1078336
And here in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Kilmurry/Seafield/361290
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Wow, thanks for the 1911 info. I did have the info on the 1901 census. This is how I determined Bridget's parents by the Clohessy living with them.
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How can you make a connection between Bridget Considine and the Bridget Clohesy in 1911 census? she's just listed as a relative and is unmarried but could be related to either Denis or Bridget, or both.
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In the 1901 Censure there is a Bridget Clohesy (Relative) living with the Considine Family. When I was researching Bridget McMahon's birth date and partents, I found an Andew McMahon married to a Margaret Clohessy so I'm thinking it may have been her Aunt?
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Maybe, maybe not. Could be an aunt, cousin, distant relative or even someone related to Denis.
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Well, this is where my searching stops because I can't get past this point.
Hopefully someone will have some information to help me. Thanks for your help.
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Don't give up yet.
Their marriage certificate should list their residences at time of marriage as well as fathers' names and occupations.
U.S. records may yield more clues. Have you checked passenger manifests, census records, naturalization records, newspaper obituaries?
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Did your Denis and Bridget arrive at Ellis Island 6 Apr.1915 on the Transylvania?
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Yes they did. I have the log from their trip. I have the marriage certificate and I'm trying to load it but it won't take it. Both fathers were labourers. That is another way I confirmed the father's names.
I'm certainly not giving up. I want to go to Ireland next year and hopefully meet some relatives !!
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Go to www.ellisisland.org and do a search for Denis Considine then select the 1915 one, then view original manifest- says they are US citizens and naturalized 22 Feb.1896 Lock Have, Penna. There might be helpful details in the paperwork.
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I have a copy of his citizenship. He came over and worked in Pennsylvania prior to bringing the family over from Ireland.
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Hello,
I looked at that and was puzzled - the names almost match and most of the ages but I just thought it a big coincidence.
So they must have gone to USA, returned to Clare and then back to USA.
By another coincidence , I am watching a programme on television and just at that moment, there was a boat race between Kilrush, Donnbeg and others. :D
best wishes
heywood
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My great grandfather worked as a farmer for a gentlemen by the name of Gallagher in Bethlehem, PA. He liked my GGfather so much he offered to pay the passage for his family to come to the USA. He went back to Ireland and brought family to PA. While on board the Transylvania, a German sub followed their ship. Several years later this same ship by sunk off Genoa by a German sub.
They also had a young daughter that died in Ireland that we were trying to determine her name. Based on the 1911 census, it looks like it was "Bridget"
Thanks :)
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Because this 1699 record of a Considine marriage is so old, I wonder if it is possible to work forwards from it to the 1800s? Perhaps they'll meet up with your one?
Lack is a few miles east of Kilrush.
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Mar 22nd 1699 : Daniel Considine from Lack, Co.Clare married to Jane Sulivan.
Bondsman: Richard Lillis from Newmarket, Co.Clare.
For wordsearch : Sullivan
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Also, just out of interest ....
June 27th 1719 James Molony of Ennis married Catherine Torpey from Carriggaholt (sic.).
Terence McMahon from Clonndonough, Co.Clare went bond for them.
For wordsearch : Torpy, Carrigaholt,
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Hello. I also have some Considine ancestors from Craganock that I know very little about beyond a certain point. My ggg grandfather James Considine was born in Craganock in 1863. He had two younger siblings that are known, Michael born 1866, and John, born 1868 after immigrating to Pennsylvania. His parents were Michael Considine and Ellen Scully. I can find no records for any them, bmd, in Clare or Pennsylvania, with the exception of James and Michael. I have James' death record in Chicago and Michael's birth record in Craganock. They are from the same town at about the same time as your Considines, and I wonder if there is any connection there. I'm attaching a photo of James circa 1885 below.
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There is an Ann born to parents of the same name you outline in 1863 in nearby Kilmurry.
There is an Ann Considine(O'rourke-widow?) who married a Costello in Oneida, NY in 1910 who lists Michael Considine and Ellen Scully as parents.
Do you know if Michael Senior had siblings?
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Thank you Greg0220 for the information. With that marriage, I was able to go back through the Ireland Catholic Parish records for Kilmurry/Ibricken and found Ann, and four additional siblings born to Michael Considine and Ellen Scully. I don't know if Michael had any siblings, but I presume a Patrick (1834-1918) and a Mary O'Brien (1836-1897), who both lived near Michael in Pennsylvania and then moved to Chicago and lived near him there could be.