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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: idyia14 on Wednesday 27 October 10 06:24 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace Irish descendants of Robert Young and Agnes (Nancy) Stewart form Ballynameen, Garvagh. Of their children I know that John Young (born 1861) and Robert (1867) emigrated to New Zealand in 1884. Of the other known children in the family, Agnes and Willie died young, and George, Mary and Annie did not marry. Tom and Jane remained in Ireland and married (but I don't know who they married.) I was wondering if anyone knew of their descendants. John Young was my great-grandfather.
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Hi,
Robert Young and Nancy Stewart were married in Garvagh 2nd Presbyterian Church on 27 Oct 1846.
Regards
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Robert Young (c1822-12 Dec.1899), son of George and Abigail Young (Killyvalley), married Nancy/ Agnes Stewart (c1821/1825-14 May 1905) of Gortfad. They lived at Ballinameen (1846), Killyvalley (1853-65), Ballinameen (1869).
1. Anne “Annie” Young (c1853-1931).
2. George Young (c1855?1861?-5 Feb.1916).
3. John Young (c1856).
4. William Young (c1859-3 Mar.1871, killed by tree).
5. Nancy Young (1861-9 May 1861).
6. Mary Young (c1865-20 Feb.1917).
7. Robert Young. Matamata, N.Z.
8. Thomas Young (2 Sept.1868-13 June 1929), farmer, Inchaleen, m.(9 Apr.1901 Coleraine Registry Office) Mary Jane Millar. Children: Mary, Thomas Miller (26 May 1901 Inshaleen), Agnes Stewart (1904), Sarah Paul (c1906), John (c1907). Mary, Sarah and John married
I don't have a daughter Jane in my notes.
Here's some of the family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Ballynameen/590813
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Inshaleen/590962
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Thanks for this - it's more information than I currently have. According to my grandmother, Jane married someone that the family did not approve of, so they had nothing more to do with her. John B. Young (my great grandfather) was born on 12.7.1861 and died in 1907. His younger brother Bob was born in 1867. These 2 brothers emigrated to New Zealand to try to make their fortunes in the Otago goldrush. John married Henrietta Matilda Barker and Bob married a girl named Mary. Are you related to the Youngs? You seem to have quite a lot of information.
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John Young was baptised 30 July 1856 Main St. Presbyterian Church.
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Interesting! Looks as if the information my grandmother had was slightly incorrect. Thanks.
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Robert Young was my great grandfather, too. He died 7th June 1941 in Matamata, New Zealand. He married Mary McPhee in Pembroke (Wanaka) on 10th November 1892. They have left lots of descendants.
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Yes, I had heard about the family at Matamata. My grandmother knew most of the family - Robert Young was referred to as Big Uncle Bob. I have Robert and Mary's children as Beatrice, William, Mary (Mamie), Robert (Robyn), John and Henrietta and have some of Robyn and John's descendants but I don't have a Murray anywhere so I'm curious as to where you fit into the family picture.
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Mary (Mamie) was my maternal grandmother. She married John (Jack) McMiken. Their children were William (named after Mary's brother who was killed in France 21 Feb 1917), Mary, Eileen (my mother) Robert (Bob - still alive) and Jean (still alive). Mum married Brian Murray and I am the eldest of eight, Bill married Doris Finn and they had six children, and Bob married Joan Young ( until then no relation) and they had four girls. Mary and Jean never married.
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I think that makes us third cousins as our great-grandfathers were brothers. I would be interested to know how much you have found out about the Irish Youngs - the ones who didn't immigrate to New Zealand. Another of our cousins has done quite a bit of research into the family - to the extent of visiting Ballynameen and looking in church records.
I am currently travelling around Australia with my husband in our campervan - hope to be home again in early October. But, in the mean-time, internet access (particularly in the Northern Territory where we are now) is not very extensive so it makes communication a bit difficult.
To contact each other via email you need to have made 4 posts to Rootschat, I think, so we could possibly exchange information that way at a later date if you are interested.
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Hi Cuz, I hope you are enjoying your trip. I'm not too knowledgeable about the ones left behind but I don't think there was too much money as I believe it was my great grandfather who paid for the stone in Ballynameen. I wasn't aware a third brother came out and returned to Ireland. I have in the last week found some interesting stuff in Papers Past so it would be good to have a chat at some time.
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Yes, I was aware that Robert Young paid for a gravestone to be erected. It listed various family members together with their dates of birth and the age they died. I have a photograph of the gravestone if you are interested. I think that only 2 brothers immigrated to New Zealand, Robert and John. The story my grandmother told was that it was Robert who wanted to go but, at the age of only 17, his mother thought he was too young to travel alone so they paid for John to accompany him. You are descended from Robert and I am a descendant of John Young.
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Yes , I can see why. 17 is a bit young (no pun intended). Are you aware that there is a Young family reunion at Longlands in Matamata on 26th October 11:30 - 3:30 ? It sounds like something you need to attend. My brother and I have booked to go and another brother might if I can get hold of him. $45 a head. You said you might be back by early October. I'll certainly learn a lot more there from people old enough to have known the brothers.
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Unfortunately, I don't live in New Zealand! Now that you have made 4 posts, I will attempt to send you a direct email.
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Hello All, Interested in information regarding the Young families from Cardrona, Otago.
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Hi, You have the right Young family here. John and Robert Young sailed from Ireland to New Zealand and landed in 1884 in the middle of the Otago gold rushes. They went straight to Cardrona hoping to make their fortunes but only managed to scrape enough together to survive. The Young brothers stayed on in Cardrona; both married and had families there. John married Henrietta Barker and had 6 children; Robert married Mary McPhee and also had 6 children. They continued to look for gold but eventually Robert moved his family to Taranaki to try his hand at share milking (early 1900s.) John and his family followed and moved to Toko, also milking cows. My grandmother remembered that this was very hard work - milking 60 to 70 cows by hand! Then, in 1905, the government was balloting land near Otorohanga and both families moved there. Some of John Young's descendants still live there. Robert Young's family ended up at Matamata.
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Thank you for the information. I have been asked to give some information to the local historical society. I would like to run this past you if I may. Can you contact me direct. I will break my email address to prevent machine trolling. (*)
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I am a Great grand son of John Young & Grand son of Thomas Edwin Young. I am very interested in contact with family.
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We are setting up Clan Young in NZ with the Clan Young around the world. If people would like to learn more Contact Clan Young, Clan Young Shop NZ in the making.
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Also Clan Young now has a Clan Young New Zealand fb page with help and contributions from Clan Young around the world and this is in its first week and growing. All contributions and involvement most welcome and very much encouraged. Its Clan Time. 8)
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hello all , having read some of the information of ROBERT YOUNG of ballinameen I am quite shore that my gr gr grandmother is his daughter JANE YOUNG (one of those who stayed in Ireland ) I am doing the family tree at the moment and I would love any information at all on the young family
having read some of the posts it seems that this sight has been just fantastic in not just sharing information but in the case of the young family it has also linked kin across the world
I am more than happy to share my information
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hello all , having read some of the information of ROBERT YOUNG of ballinameen I am quite shore that my gr gr grandmother is his daughter JANE YOUNG (one of those who stayed in Ireland ) I am doing the family tree at the moment and I would love any information at all on the young family
having read some of the posts it seems that this sight has been just fantastic in not just sharing information but in the case of the young family it has also linked kin across the world
I am more than happy to share my information
When, where and who did Jane Young marry?
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jane married 1869 garvagh ch of Ireland james lamon (but its lamont) her father is Robert young and James's father is alexander lamon/lamont the young family are from ballynameen townland and the lamon/lamonts are from killyvally townland
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jane married 1869 garvagh ch of Ireland james lamon (but its lamont) her father is Robert young and James's father is alexander lamon/lamont the young family are from ballynameen townland and the lamon/lamonts are from killyvally townland
Lamont, Lamon, Lemon, etc. are just different versions of the same name and there's no 'correct' version.
Robert Young of Ballinameen died 1899 (age 75) & his wife Nancy (nee Stewart of Gortfad) died 1905 (age 84 according to their gravestone in 2nd Garvagh (Main St.) Presbyterian Church. There were married there 27 Oct.1846- his father George Young and her father John Stewart.
Lots about the family and descendants to be found online but much of it is incorrect.
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thank you for the help my line is their son Thomas james lamont a twin to may birth reg 13 October 1879 killyvally townland birth reg garvagh Coleraine
he married annie mary pedan 6 june 1902 Coleraine reg office
annie and Thomas james are my gr grandparents
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thank you for the help my line is their son Thomas james lamont a twin to may birth reg 13 October 1879 killyvally townland birth reg garvagh Coleraine
he married annie mary pedan 6 june 1902 Coleraine reg office
annie and Thomas james are my gr grandparents
Thomas James & May born Killyvalley just outside Garvagh and births registered with Dr. McNeary in Garvagh (Coleraine is the registration district & Garvagh the sub-dristrict).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02900/2062371.pdf
The marriage is here- Thomas James Lamont gave his address as Mayoughill (another townland not far from Garvagh)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10271/5738001.pdf
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I have found james lamont and wife jane nee young on the 1911 census house 4 killyvally garvagh Londonderry james is 79 jane 65 mary 29 daughter (I think this is may twin to Thomas james known as may ) and cecil lamont 5yrs nephew
Thomas james married annie pedan , my great aunt is one of their daughters and is the grand age of 97 at the moment 98 this coming Christmas
thomas james and annie pedan are found 1901 census house 1 mullinabrone brovagh garvagh
is their any way of finding info of the older family members eg the parents of robert young ? i have found a listing for a robert young killeyvalley presbyteryan Bap 21 dec 1797 on the bann valley church/garvagh sight do you think this could be my robert young? if so is their any way i could get a copy of this document ?
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I have found james lamont and wife jane nee young on the 1911 census house 4 killyvally garvagh Londonderry james is 79 jane 65 mary 29 daughter (I think this is may twin to Thomas james known as may ) and cecil lamont 5yrs nephew
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Killyvally/590849
thomas james and annie pedan are found 1901 census house 1 mullinabrone brovagh garvagh
In 1901 Elizabeth Pedan is only occupant of house #1- it's Bovagh nor Brovagh-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Bovagh/Mullinabrone/1519537
This is the household you mean in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Bovagh/Mullinabrone/590654
note that there is half sister Elizabeth Orr in household.
is their any way of finding info of the older family members eg the parents of robert young ? i have found a listing for a robert young killeyvalley presbyteryan Bap 21 dec 1797 on the bann valley church/garvagh sight do you think this could be my robert young? if so is their any way i could get a copy of this document ?
There could easily be more than one Robert Young in the area. First Garvagh records are not complete and those records on Bann Valley site have been poorly transcribed (I did say that there is much online that is not correct). The records for First Garvagh have been microfilmed by PRONI, Belfast and a copy of the microfilm is normally at Coleraine Library (undergoing renovations)but they aren't allowed to photocopy those records.
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OH what a shame
but thank you for your help may I email you direct as I have a few questions to ask
if so how do I do it threw the sight?
are you of the young family ?
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ever so sorry it seems iv upset you aghadowey the last thing I ment to do
thank you for the information about records for the 1st garvagh pres ch and for the link to the 1901 census for Elizabeth peden shes a new one to me
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You haven't upset me but I don't do research by Personal Message.
Death of Elizabeth Peden-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05254/4457106.pdf