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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: tommobecket on Sunday 31 October 10 18:36 GMT (UK)
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Would be most grateful to find out anything about Kennedy ancestors from Tipperary. From family I am aware of a Jack and Mary Kennedy (1865-1941) who owned (?) and worked at 'The Mill' in Cloughjordan and at some point Jacks brother married Helen who also helped with the running of the mill.
I think their children were Pat and John Kennedy, who represented Tip at Hurling, and who eventually moved to New York and other children were Tim and Maria/Mariah/Mary. Maria married Richard/William (?) Stapleton and moved to Dublin c 1900. ( I have managed to get a few photos from the web of Tip hurling teams with Kennedys and Stapletons but not able to verify if relatives). Any information on the Kennedys or the Mill would be most helpful
many thanks
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This may be the mill you refer to. Some details at
http://web.claretipp.ie/ShowProp.aspx?id=398803&pm=8&pt=&co=0&cn=0&d=0&pc=&bd=0&min=0&max=0&minsize=0&maxsize=0&q=&attr=&attr=&so=p.PriceVal%20asc
annclare
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Hello,
do you mean that Jack and Mary Kennedy were both 1865 - 1941?
Is this Maria and William Stapleton in 1901?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Wood_Quay/Guinness_Trust_Buildings/1346972/
If so she would be born c 1866 :-\ ... am confused. ;)
best wishes
heywood
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thanks annclare - I don't know if this is the mill they worked at but it's quite substantial isn't it, absolutley not what I had in my minds eye! Are there any records of who owned or worked at the Mill?
heywood, sorry, I got a bit mixed up, as you rightly indicate, the dates are for Mary Kennedy, daughter, who married William Stapleton (census) and not Mary Kennedy, mother! doh! I don't have any dob or dod info on Jack and Mary Kennedy.
thanks
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Hello again,
Have you searched Griffiths Valuation? I have had some trouble with the parish on this one but will explain here:
http://www.failteromhat.com is a straightforward site but does not show the Griffiths pages.
I found that Cloughjordan is in Modreeny parish and searched via these criteria rather than person to get Kennedys.
There are 16 entries for this name and some of those may be the same person with different properties.
Searching for Modreeny parish on http://www.askaboutireland.ie
(Tipperary North Riding) didn't show all the places in Modreeny parish (not sure if I have done it wrong and sorry for rambling).
However eventually - searching for Kennedy in Mullenkeagh shows an Edward Kennedy has a Distillery and Corn Mill.
Now there may be other mills elsewhere - that's just one I found. There is a John Kennedy in same townland.
Sorry for the long winded message.
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I was searching for my own relatives in Cloughjordan through the parish records in the NLI in Dublin. Cloughjordan was in it's own parish as far as I can recall, and there were LOADS of Kennedys. I remember this distinctly because we have (Dublin) Kennedys in the family and I was surprised to see the name pop up so often in my search.
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This William Stapleton was baptized 26 May 1864 in Dunkerrin RC Parish with residence location identified as Shinrone. He was the son of Francis Stapleton and Mary Gavan and married Maria Kennedy in 1898 (daughter of Patrick). The marriage was registered in CLOUGHJORDAN Civil Parish records. His father and mother were still living at Brickanagh, Tempelharry Parish, King's Co. in the 1901 Census. I have the data on his other siblings if you need it.
Cheers,
Mike Stapleton
Irish Stapleton Researcher
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Mike
That would be fantastic, many thanks. William and Maria have two surviving grandchildren (in the 80s) who will be absolutely delighted to hear more of their ancestors. If you were able to offer any further detail I would be most grateful, thank you so much. Are you related to them also?
Denis
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A couple of headstone records from Cloughjordan cemetery;
Donal Kennedy; Mullinkeach
28/7/1973 (52)
Mother; Margaret; 6/1/1942
Father; Daniel; 16/1/1951
Mary Josephine Guidera (nee Kennedy)
8/7/2002
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Daniel Kennedy; Cooraclevin Cloughjordan
19/5/1960 (25)
wife; Sarah; 21/4/1966 (81)
son; James; 31/8/1947 (29)
his wife; Nance; 4/12/1992 (78)
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John Kennedy; Mullinkeach
18/1/1944
wife; Ellen; 21/7/1952
grand-son; James; 24/4/1998 (38)
Their son; Martin; 25/2/2008 (84)
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Kathleen Kennedy; Bantiss
11/4/1959 (36)
brother; John Joe; 28/8/1931 (7 & 7 mts)
Their parents; James (son) Kennedy; 5/8/1974 (91)
Katie Kennedy; 10/4/1982 (92)
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Mary Jane Kennedy; Killurane Cloughjordan
24/11/1955 (70)
hus; William; 8/5/1962 (75)
her sister; Helena Kennedy; 15/8/1968 (76)
Their son; William (Billy); 16/4/2003 (84)
Their son; Daniel (Dan); 14/9/2003 (85)
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Jack
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I was born and raised at The Mill, Cloughjordan. The townland is Mullinkeagh. Muillean is Irish for mill. It was not really a mill but was in fact the largest distillery for whiskey in Ireland in the mid 1800s.
My family is the one from above
John Kennedy; Mullinkeach
18/1/1944
wife; Ellen; 21/7/1952
grand-son; James; 24/4/1998 (38)
Their son; Martin; 25/2/2008 (84)
my father was Martin and brother James, deceased.
The mill complex, now in ruins, covered in ivy, was owned by Ned Kennedy nicknamed Rouser Kennedy and his business went bankrupt around that time. we never established if we are related to Rouser, probably not. There were also Kennedys living accross the road, Donal Kennedy.
Dont know if this is any help
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Hello Mike and Clough2. thankyou for your input.
Mike, are you a descendant of William or Francis and Mary? Do you have any further information on the Stapletons in Tip?
Clough2, are you descended from Jack and Mary Kennedy (c1840s) who children were Pat, John, Tim and Mariah? I was told that Jacks brother married somene called Helen and they looked after the Mill when the other brothers left for the USA. This could have been around the 1900s?
thanks
Denis
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Hello, I think I may have worked it out with all your help (but happy to be corrected!).
Patrick Kennedy married Mary Leamy (?) and their children were Mariah (who married William Stapleton in 1898 and moved to Dublin by 1901), and John who married Ellen and continued to work at the Mill. His children were as Clough2 indicates. (we have a common ancestor).
Jack Kennedy married Mary Mahar (?) and their children were Patrick, Tim and Maria.
I think Jack and Patrick may have been brothers.
They were all great Hurlers by all accounts and this may account for how the families knew each other and married into each others family. My auntie recalls Tim and Patrick moving to America and returning to Croke Park representing a New York team. (no dates) at which Mary Stapleton was a guest of honour.
I was too busy trying to locate all the names into one family and they were in fact cousins, who lived next to each other at one point.
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Sorry about delay in responding to this thread. Just got back on track agin. I cannot be sure if I'm connected to Jack and Mary Kennedy. I know my grandfather was John Kennedy who lived at Mullinkeagh (known as the Mill). Also I know that the Kennedys raised Paddy Leamy there. I remember meeting Paddy after he returned to Ireland from New York where he worked. Census 1911 shows him as a child in the Kennedy household at Mullinkeagh.
Seems there could be a connection to Jack and Mary as suggested.
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My father was John Kennedy, son of John & Ellen. He and his brother Pat were known for their hurling. My father, his brother Pat and brother Jim went to England during the war. They rebuilt and repaired homes that had been bombed. In 1949 my father and Pat decided to go to the US and Jim (James) went to Africa. My father met my mother, Mary Burns (from Cloughjordan) in NY and they married in 1951. He continued hurling for the US team. In 1952 they went to Ireland for the All Ireland. Both my father, his cousin, Paddy Leamy played. A number of the team members were from Tipperary.
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Sorry about delay in responding, I lost my password. Yes Maureen, it's cousin John Kennedy here. I'm afraid I have not got very far with the research for great grandparents with such a common name as Kennedy in Tipperary and particularly where Kennedy married a Kennedy. I'm having even less luck with my mothers side where a Ryan married a Ryan, again terribly common in North Tipperary.
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How lovely to hear from you both - apologies as I've been absent from the forum for some time but able to take advantage of xmas break to revisit.
I think we may be cousins.
Maureen, your grandfathers sister, Mariah married Francis Stapleton (also a hurler I believe). They moved to Dublin and their children were Vincent, Francis, Mary Beth and Patrick. Mary Beth married Denis Byrne (died in 1940) who was in the ICA during Easter week 1916 (St.Stephens Green and Jacobs). There is a family story of Mary being reunited with her cousins John and Pat who played for a New York/American team against an All Ireland Team at Croke park. Despite many questions to the GAA no information on this game has been forthcoming so it is fantastic to see your account and the linked history that confirms the event and clarifies the names. There is an amazing photo in LIFE magazine of the new York team playing an Irish Team in the 1950s I think, that I'll try and dig out and forward to you
It would be wonderful to hear of any other information about the Tipperary heritage if you were able to forward it?
The children from the Byrne family moved to England apart from Norah Byrne who married Jimmy Llewellyn and the family still live in Dublin as do the Stapletons.
Very best wishes and please do keep in touch
Denis
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Hurling: New York v Cork in 1952:
Hello Clough52 and M Kennedy - here are some great pictures of your father/grandfather John Kennedy in the previously mentioned Hurling game between a New York representative team and County Cork. Not sure if this link will work but if you google LIFE magazine archives, the article and images are in the 22nd November 1954 edition, pages 85-90.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S1IEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA85&dq=hurling&hl=en&sa=X&ei=X22pVKaCDsbO7gblqIGIDw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hurling&f=false
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My Grandmother, Grett Leamy was from The Mill. Her youngest brother was Paddy Leamy. I think all of the Leamy children were separated after their mother's death when they were little. My grandmother came to the States and was sponsored by the Kennedy's. There are still Kennedy's in Syracuse, NY. Grett married William Abbey. Are you a relative of mine?
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Hello Bridget
Yes, I think there may be a common heritage for most of the posters here (happy to be proved wrong). Its a little tricky following without the aid of an actual tree admittedly, but it does seem so. What do the others think?
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Not sure if anyone is still following. I think it is fantastic that we are finding out so much. There definitely is a link between us. I met both Billy and his sister Pat Abbey from Syracuse, NY as a child back in the 1969's. Billy would visit us from time to time and was great at handball. He always carried a ball in his pocket. I visited Pat and her husband, don't remember his name, with my mother around 1967.
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Pat Abbey from syracuse, ny, was my mother. I think your father was my mom's godfather. You described billy perfectly! He loved handball and played at the police station and with the Bishop of Syracuse weekly. I miss them all so much. Peggy is the only living sibling, now.
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Welcome to RootsChat Bridget and M-kennedy :) tommobecket has been notified of both of your replies hopefully he will reply very soon.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Bridget, I am not sure if you knew this, but your mother is my godmother. This year the Killruane MacDonagh GAA honored my father in their yearbook. It was beautifully written and included photos of him in Ireland as well as NY. They even included words to a song that included a verse about my father's hurling.
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Hello, I have been reading this thread.
Tom Stapleton had a music shop in Roscrea, is he related to you? Closed about 2010.
Killruane, my Uncle played for them he was born in 1929.
My cousins play in the ladies team now.
The Kennedy family from Killruane, they had a daughter called Helena, did she marry a guy called McLean?
Edward Kennedy lived in Coolnamuna, his daughter Margaret was my Great Grandmother. (Not Coolnamuna House, but the Cottage up the lane past the old Forge)
His father was Martin, he lived in Liskinlahan, another son Patrick lived in Derrinleigh (know to us as Bogside Cloughkeating)
3 of Patrick's children went to Australia, I am in touch with them.
If you knew Nan Kennedy born about 1920 live on the outskirts of Borrisokane, please let me know.
thanks
Maggsie
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Dear friends, I am so sorry, but I have no idea what happened and I just got diverted by the usual rubbish of daily life ... if anyone is still connected to this thread it would be lovely to try and clarify the links to the Kennedy/Stapleton/Leamy family tree. Sadly I am no genealogist but I've tried to connect the dots of the links here and attached a very rough rudimentary tree ... please have a look and let me know corrections, and I certainly won't be offended if someone can make a better job of the tree. here is hoping ... Denis (tommobecket)
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You have Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Stapleton of Borrisokane Reg District 1864+
on Irish Govt BDM Website
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p1j/
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Leamy of Borrisokane
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p1k/
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One has to solve secirity Captcha and can use Initials to sign in... Certs are Free
Safe site!
Any with Returns Page No don't have Images at moment but one can use Link every few months to look for updates.
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Registration District :
Borrisokane
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=25
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what-civil-records-are-on-line ??
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Hi all,
Gretta...
. was she Mary Ann?
Maggsie
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Thanks you Hallmark, great links.