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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: ashleighn19 on Wednesday 03 November 10 02:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi there all,
I've come over here from the Australian branch of the site and also am a little confused as my family seems to spread over 2 counties, so if I re-tread over information or am posting on the wrong board, I'm sorry.
I am looking for the family of Samuel S Bowden. The information I have so far about his life is:
He was born around 1829 in Bridgewater, Somerset (from 1851 Census), but is listed as being a resident of Alverstoke, Hampshire.
His parents were John and Elizabeth Bowden and from their ages on the 1841 Census I approximate that John was born 1792 (listed as 49) in Frome and Elizabeth in 1803 (38), but I dont't know where.
In 1841, also listed on the census record:
Elizabeth Bowden, 19
John Day Bowden, 16
Samuel S Bowden, 12 ----> my relative
Richard Bowden, 10
Alfred Bowden, 9
Harry Bowden, 4
John's occupation in 1841 was listed as Navy HP.
By the 1851 Census however I seem to have lost half the family.. I can only find John, now 59 as a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy, Samuel S, 22 a midshipman in the Royal Navy and Albert A, 9. Obviously the youngest son born after the previous census.
I think in the census record it has Widower next to John's name, but then where would I look for a record of Elizabeth's death? and what happened to the rest of the family?
(also it has a U next to Samuel, what does that mean?)
I thank everyone for their help in advance and appogise if any of this doesn't make sense!
Ash
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1841 census is different to other census
1841 does not list relationships
ages of adults over 15 years are rounded down to the nearest 5 years
the only information on p.o.b. is yes or no given in answer to "born in the county they are living in?"
or F if foreign parts , I for Ireland
as the 1841 census for the Bowdens shows them living in Hampshire , and answer is "no" to "Born in county?" all it really tells us is that none of them were b Hampshire
You can look for Elizabeth's death reg on freeBMD.org.uk
U=unmarried
will see if I can find any of them
Suz
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Possibly Elizabeth's death reg - ages are not given at that time
Death reg freeBMD
Elizabeth Bowden
Dec qtr 1847
Alverstoke registration district
7 20
Suz
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this looks like daughter Elizabeth
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1847
Alverstoke district
4 males 4 females on same page
two of them are
Elizabeth Bowden
Benjamin Hobbs
7 20
maybe Benjamin had been married before?)
1851
Windmill Row Gosport hampshire (Alverstoke reg district)
Benjamin Hobbs head M 37 brewer Gosport Hants
Elizabeth Bowden wife 29 Bristol Somerset
Benjamin son 11 Gosport
Frederick son 7mths Gosport
MaryCalvile? servant U 24 house servant Hampshire
Caroline Jenes? servant 20 Ireland
HO107 1660 428 29
son Frederick didn't live very long
Birth reg freeBMD
Frederick Charles Hobbs
Dec qtr 1850
Alverstoke
7 23
death reg
FrederickCharles Hobbs
Sept qtr 1851
Alverstoke
7 22
Suz
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1861
Tron House Alverstoke Hants
Benjamin Hobbs head m Brewer master emp 3 males Alverstoke hants
Elizabeth wife 39 Chew Stoke Somerset
Catherine daughter 9
Lucy daughter 7
Alice G daughter 6
Eliza M daughter 3
Margaret A daughter 1
Mary A Colwell servant U 33 House servant Hambledon Hants
Naomi E Southon servant 15 Nursemaid Gosport
Caroline White visitor U 36 Governess
Children all b Gosport
RG9 645 42 13
1871
Richmond House Stoke Rd Alverstoke hants
Benjamin Hobbs head M 54 retired brewer Alverstoke hants
Elizabeth wife 47 Bristol Somerset
Catherine A dauughter 19 Gosport
Lucy S? daughter 17 Gosport
Eliza M daughter 13 Alverstoke
Margaret A daughter 11 Alverstoke
Francis W son 8 Isle of Wight Hants
Bessie may servant 16 general servant Cornwall
RG10 1149 43 14
Suz
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Hi Suze,
Thanks so much for all of that!!
with regard to this:
this looks like daughter Elizabeth
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1847
Alverstoke district
4 males 4 females on same page
two of them are
Elizabeth Bowden
Benjamin Hobbs
7 20
maybe Benjamin had been married before?)
1851
Windmill Row Gosport hampshire (Alverstoke reg district)
Benjamin Hobbs head M 37 brewer Gosport Hants
Elizabeth Bowden wife 29 Bristol Somerset
Benjamin son 11 GosportFrederick son 7mths Gosport
MaryCalvile? servant U 24 house servant Hampshire
Caroline Jenes? servant 20 Ireland
HO107 1660 428 29
so do you think he was a son from a previous marriage?
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It seems Benjamin may have been married before and son Benjamin from previous amrriage
1841
Windmill Row Gosport hants
Benjamin Hobbs 25 Brewer
Mary 20
Benjamin 1
Rebecca West 15 F.S.
Elizabeth Gillmore 15 F.S.
all b in Hampshire
Suz
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Hi Ash
The following may be of interest, although it does not take you a great deal further forward in your search for members of the Bowden family.
I checked the 1841 and 1851 Navy Lists and could find only one John Bowden, and he passed as a Lieutenant on 16 March 1814. Using this information I checked the Naval Biography produced by O’Bryne in 1849, and found the following entry:
John Bowden entered the navy 26 May 1803 as a 1st Class Volunteer on board La Cheffonne 36, Capt. Chas Adams, under whom, after contributing to the defeat in June 1805 of a division of the French flotilla, which was driven under the batteries at Fecamp, he successively removed as Midshipman to the Resistance 33, and Invincible 74, employed off the coast of France, Spain and Portugal, and in the Mediterranean. Between October 1810 and October 1813 we find him serving at the siege of Cadiz, and on the Home and West India stations, in the Colossus 74, Captain Thomas Alexander, Royal William Capt Robert Hall, Norge 74 Capt. John Spratt Rainer, Vestal 28, Capt. Sam Decker, and as Masters Mate in the Garland 22, and in the Shark Sloop, Capt Thomas Huskisson, Richard Plummer Davies and John Gore. He was confirmed as a Lieutenant in the latter vessel, bearing the flag at the time of Rear-Admiral Wm. Brown. 16 March 1814; and invalided home in April 1815, was afterwards appointed – 5 April 1831, to a three years’ command in the Coast Guard – and 26 June 1837, to Victory 104, flag-ship at Portsmouth of Hon. Duncombe Flaydell Bouverie. He has been on half-pay since Feb 1840.
With the knowledge that he served in the Coast Guard service I checked the ADM 175 files (CG Establishment Books) and put together the following service:
Appointed from Burling Gap to serve at Burling Gap as Chief Officer from 5 April 1831 until 31 August 1831 when he was transferred t Newhaven. His next move was to Prawle on the 15 March 1833, from where he was discharged on 5 April 1834.
A check of the Navy Lists also established that John Day Bowden also entered the navy, initially as a Clerk, subsequently qualifying as a Paymaster. His service record can be downloaded from the National Archives website for a small fee; they are in ADM 196 (Officers Service Records)
Hope this is of some interest.
Regards
Martin
Coastguards of Yesteryear.
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Hey Martin,
That info is amazing! Thankyou so much. I'll have a good read of it tomorrow when my brain is turned on a little more and let you know if I need anything clarified.
2 quick questions though, where exactly did that info come from (if you can tell me that) and can you see if there is anything for Samuel S Bowden? I believe that John Day was Johns son and Samuels brother.
Thanks again!!
Ash
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Hi again Ash
You might also be interested in the following:
Naval History of Great Britain - Vol III
1805 Invasion Flotilla 307
Boulogne by Rear-admiral Lacrosse (since the death of Admiral Bruix, on the 19th of March, the commander-in-chief of the French flotilla), succeeded, after a while, in reaching Ambleteuse, the port of its destination.
On the 10th of June, at 7 a.m., a division of the French. flotilla, consisting of the two " corvettes-canonnières " Foudre, Capitaine de vaisseau Jacques-Felix-Emmanuel Hemelin, and Audacieuse, Lieutenant Dominique Roquebert, each mounting 10 guns (four or six long 18-pounders, the remainder brass 36-pounder carronades, with upwards of 80 men), four gun-vessels, of three long 24-pounders, and an 8-inch mortar each, three others of one 24-pounder and a field-piece each, eight others, of two 4 or 6 pounders, and 14 transports, in all 31 vessels, sailed from the port of Havre bound to Fécamp. By the time they had got abreast of Brunevel, the French vessels were chased by the British 12-pounder 36-gun frigate Chiffonne, Captain Charles Adam, who, with the ship-sloop Falcon, Captain George Sanders, gun-brig Clinker, Lieutenant Nisbet Glen, and the Frances hired armed cutter, was cruising off the coast.
At 9 h. 30 m. a.m. the Chiffonne, then in 10 fathoms' water considerably ahead of her companions, and close in with the flotilla opened her fire upon the van, where the Foudre had stationed herself ; but, in a quarter of an hour, shoaling her water, the frigate was compelled to haul further off. At 10h. 30 m. a.m. the frigate, followed by the sloop and gun-brig, recommenced firing. Shortly afterwards one of the French brigs caught fire, but succeeded in extinguishing it, and some of the other vessels ran on shore. Towards noon the Chiffonne, who had bore the brunt of this attack, again hauled out into deeper water. Shortly afterwards the van of the French flotilla ran close under the batteries of Cap-de-Caiset, until joined by the rearmost vessels, when they again bore up to proceed on their course. At 1 h. 30 m. p.m. the three British vessels again stood in, and at 2 p.m. recommenced firing. The Falcon presently became closely engaged with the two sternmost of the French brigs, one of which was the Audacieuse. As the British passed along the coast, the forts kept firing shells and shots at them without the smallest intermission : notwithstanding which the Chiffonne and Falcon continued the engagement, and at 3 h. 15 m. p.m. shot away a brig's fore topmast and then her mainmast. The Falcon and Clinker, not sailing by any means equal to the frigate, gradually dropped astern, and the flotilla sheltered themselves completely under Fécamp batteries ; but the latter did not until 4 h. 30 m. p.m. cease firing at the Chiffonne.
Several shot struck the Chiffonne in the hull, one of which entered between wind and water; and her rigging was also much cut. Her loss amounted to two men killed and three wounded. The Falcon suffered in rigging and sails, and had four men wounded ; the Clinker, one marine killed and one seaman
Martin
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Hi,
Can you tell me if samuel s married and names of any children???
I am worjking on a "long shot"
I have found a Samuel of correct age different p.o.b. in most census
He was a coast guard
he married and I have found 6 children
so if you can give any more info i can post info or discount it
Suz
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Hey Suz,
From what I can gather Samuel and his wife Annie came out to Australia in 1863 and they had their children here. Im guessing that contradicts what you found though.
Ash
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yes it does - the only samuel S Bowden I could find was Samuel Solomon Bowden - b. c. 1828 but in Plymouth Devon
He married Sarah -but coincidence don't you think?
If your Samuel S didn't go to Aus until 1863 , he should at least show up in 1861???
Suz
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yeah i guess you're right... never realised that he should be there in 1861...
I wonder why he isn't? If he was a sailor maybe he was overseas or something?
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Suz
I don't think you have the right Samuel, because this man remained a CG serving on the Isle of Wight in 1871, and is recorded as being on a pension in England in 1881.
Martin
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Hi Martin,
I realised it was not the same Samuel -but it was the only one with middle initial S I could find.
But there were lots of coincidences -he was married in 1850 -and although the correct Samuel is with father and single in 1851 the other Samuel's wife Sarah is "Married" but living with parents !! I have Samuel Solomon on all census to 1901 -shame it's not him!!!
I can't find a marriage of Samuel S Bowden to Annie pre 1863???
A puzzle?
Suz
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Hi All
Just a little bit of info, but Bowden is a West Devon name (my husband's cousin is married to one) & we have several in the family.
Regards Suzanne
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Hampshire Advertiser Saturday 4th December 1847
Deaths
On the 30th ult. at Brockhurst, near Gosport, Elizabeth the beloved wife of Lieutenant John Bowden R.N, aged 45.
Hampshire Advertiser Saturday 24th June 1848
Marriages
On the 20th instant, at Alverstoke Church, near Gosport, by the Rev. H.A Veck, incumbent at St. Johns, Forton, Mr. B Hobbs jun, brewer, Gosport, to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Lieutenant John Bowden R.N.
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Ash,
Richard Bowden, was 10 years of age in1841 census, but by 1842 he was dead:
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc Monday, June 6, 1842
At Hardway, near Gosport, on the 2nd Inst, Richard Bayly, son of Lieutenant John Bowden, R.N. aged 12 years, of scarlet fever.
Tom
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Hampshire Telegraph Monday 6th June 1842
Deaths
At Hardway, near Gosport, on the 1st inst., Henry Godfrey, fifth son, aged five, and on the following day, Richard Bayly, third son of Lieut. John Bowden R.N, aged 12 years, both of scarlet fever.
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Ash,
Are these yours?
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc Saturday, November 3, 1860
DEATHS:
On Sunday, 28th ult., at his residence, 4, High-Street, Gosport, Benjamin Hobbs Esq., aged 73.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, August 30, 1862
HOBBS on March 8th, at Dubbe (o), near Sydney, New South Wales, aged 22, Benjamin Hobbs, aged 22, son of B. Hobbs, Esq., of Stonelands, near Ryde.
Tom
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is there any way I can look up the notices? are those newspapers available online?
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Hi Ash,
Yes they are all online-I get them from my local library with my library ticket through Infotrac. It's 19th century British Newspapers, some 75 altogether, newspapers from all over the UK; the Hampshire area there a couple and also in Isle of Wight. In some libraries they do Times Digital as well, 1785 to 1985.
Tom
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Hi all,
Sorry to re-hash this one, but I'm wondering if anyone could get a copy or print out or pdf of the notices of death for Harry and Richard Bayly for me? I cannot seem to find anywhere to access them in Australia.
Thanks :)
Ash
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I have sent you a PM
Tom
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Hi All,
I'm posting this here because I didn't think it would make sense without all the background. I've found a bunch of birth records for Elizabeth Bowden and Benjamin Hobbs. I'm wondering if there are newspaper records or something else that would give me a bit more proof that these kids actually belong to Benjamin and Elizabeth
Frederick Charles born 1850, Gosport Hampshire and died 1851, Alverstoke Hampshire
Eliza Frances born 1851 Alverstoke died 1851
Catherine Ann born 1852 Gosport/Alverstoke
Lucy Jane born 1853 Gosport/Alverstoke
Alice Grant born 1855 Gosport/Alverstoke
Eliza Maria born 1857 Gosport/Alverstoke
George Edward born 1858 died 1860 Alverstoke
Margaret Abigail Augusta born 1859 Gosport/Alverstoke
Francis Walter born 1863
any help would be greatly appreciated
Ash
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Six years have gone by since the last post on the subject of Lt John Bowden, but I suppose someone may still be reading.
The Lt John Bowden that I know about was the only child of Ambrose Bowden (1750, Tywardheath; 1822, Rame) and his first wife Joan (née Booth, d. before April 1779). He later married her sister Elizabeth, and I am descended from one of the sons from this second marriage. My interest in John is thus moderate: I shall be interested to add to my sparse knowledge, but not interested enough to do a lot of searching.
The following is an account by his half-brother, William, my great-greatgrandfather:
“John Bowden, from a miniature I remember seeing, was a handsome, high spirited young gentleman. He was a Lieutenant in the Navy, and performed some dashing exploits which I forget. He was obliged to leave the Navy for knocking down, or attempting to knock down, his superior Officer. He afterwards commanded trading vessels. He was fond of public houses. He married and left two daughters; how they turned out, or what became of them, I do not know.”
This seems reasonably in accord with the account of your John Bowden’s career that appeared earlier in us discussion.