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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: jk22 on Saturday 06 November 10 11:16 GMT (UK)
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It's been a little while but could i ask again if anyone knows where the following family lived and if there are any available records re the movement in and out of South Africa?
Harry Mowat Hamilton Miles and Agnes Paterson Ferguson Miles (he English, she Scottish); they married in Moama, New South Wales in the 1870's.
They seemed to have done a lot of sea travel as they had some children in England and then went to SA where their 3 youngest, girls, were born. One of these was my grandmother, Constance Kate Miles, born in 1891; i think it was in Cape Town.
Harry was a journalist and died in the Kimberley, in 1899. So some time soon after Agnes and her daughters returned to Australia, Melbourne is where i then find them on an electoral roll in 1903.
Any fresh help/ideas?
Kind regards, Julie
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Hi Julie,
I did find this naming Harry, couldnt see anything in SA for Agnes
Surname = Miles
First Name = Harry Mowat Hamilton
Year = 1894
Volume Number = 2/2226
Reference Number = 224
Source Document = Courts of Justice
Source Location = Cape Town National Archives Repository
and this seems to be his death notice
Surname = MILES
First Name = HARRY H M
Year = 1899
Volume = 6/9/385
Reference = 409
Source = Master's Office / Orphan Chamber, Cape Town (MOOC)
Source Location = National Archives, Cape Town (KAB)
Daizi
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Thanks DAIZI,
I've found SA very much a brick wall!
My take on such limited info re this line of my family is that Harry Miles got into financial difficulties (was a journalist) and went to the Kimberley maybe to find gold or diamonds but so sadly he died there.
I just know where else to go to obtain such records that may exist regarding this family. My mother (now 84) says she thinks Durban played a role in their lives. Was it a port of entry to the country?
Regards
Julie
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Hi Julie
Durban is a port of entry and would have been first port of call from Australia
Good luck with your tracing!
Delva
Bloemfontein
South Africa
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Thanks Delva.
Are you able to find anything on my Miles family?
I'd be interested and grateful for any thing but am particularly interested in finding out when Agnes and her 3 youngest children (all girls) left SA for Australa. I estimate it was between late 1899 and 1903. I find Agnes on the Melbourne, Victoria Australia electoral roll for 1903.
Kind regards
Julie
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So some time soon after Agnes and her daughters returned to Australia, Melbourne is where i then find them on an electoral roll in 1903.
From his death notice it sounds to me like Anges was already in Melbourne when he died.
Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918, 1935)
Sat 11 Mar 1899
DEATHS.
MILES.— On the 28th January, at Kimberley, South Africa, Henry M. Hamilton, the dearly beloved husband of Agnes Patterson Miles, late of South Melbourne , aged 46 years.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196512326
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So some time soon after Agnes and her daughters returned to Australia, Melbourne is where i then find them on an electoral roll in 1903.
From his death notice it sounds to me like Anges was already in Melbourne when he died.
Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918, 1935)
Sat 11 Mar 1899
DEATHS.
MILES.— On the 28th January, at Kimberley, South Africa, Henry M. Hamilton, the dearly beloved husband of Agnes Patterson Miles, late of South Melbourne , aged 46 years.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196512326
Hi,
Are you suggesting that the notice says where Agnes was living (in South Melbourne, Victoria) when her husband died in South Africa? If so, I disagree. In all the death and or funeral notices I have read in any Australian newspapers I am sure that the words 'late of' refers to the deceased person.
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The notice was published nearly six weeks after his death.
JM
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So some time soon after Agnes and her daughters returned to Australia, Melbourne is where i then find them on an electoral roll in 1903.
From his death notice it sounds to me like Anges was already in Melbourne when he died.
Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918, 1935)
Sat 11 Mar 1899
DEATHS.
MILES.— On the 28th January, at Kimberley, South Africa, Henry M. Hamilton, the dearly beloved husband of Agnes Patterson Miles, late of South Melbourne , aged 46 years.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196512326
Hi,
Are you suggesting that the notice says where Agnes was living (in South Melbourne, Victoria) when her husband died in South Africa? If so, I disagree. In all the death and or funeral notices I have read in any Australian newspapers I am sure that the words 'late of' refers to the deceased person.
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The notice was published nearly six weeks after his death.
JM
Agree JM, replied on other thread.
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I found these records which are located in Cape Town. Unfortunately they are not online, someone would need to go view the records in person.
DEPOT KAB SOURCE CSC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 2/6/1/148 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 22 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MOTION. PETITION OF HARRY MOWAT HAMILTON MILES FOR LEAVE TO SUE JOHN CLARK IN FORMA PAUPERIS FOR RECOVERING OF MONEY AND BREACH OF CONTRACT.
STARTING 18940000
ENDING 18940000
In forma pauperis (/ɪn ˈfɔːrmə ˈpɔːpərɪs/; IFP or i.f.p.) is a Latin legal term meaning "in the character or manner of a pauper". It refers to the ability of an indigent person to proceed in court without payment of the usual fees associated with a lawsuit or appeal.
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This record shows Harry to be insolvent.
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE CSC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 2/6/1/150
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 100
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MOTION. PETITION OF EDWARD RIDGE SYFRET IN RE INSOLVENT ESTATE OF
HARRY MOWAT HAMILTON MILES.
STARTING 18940000
ENDING 18940000
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Perhaps this is why he returned to Australia.
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOIB
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 2/2226
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 224
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MILES, HARRY MOWAT HAMILTON. INSOLVENT LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION
ACCOUNT.
STARTING 18940000
ENDING 18940000
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Thanks very much for your replies.
It's been a few years since i worked solidly on my parents' trees but i still do episodic housekeeping and its amazing to me just how thoughtful contributors are in this work - sometimes it's remarkable the efforts that some have gone to. I am so pleased and grateful.
I've a hospital typed report on Harry Mowat Hamilton Miles' death in the Kimberley. I too hold that it was only after he died there that his sons organised the emigration of Agnes and her 3 young daughters to Melbourne, where i think there were some family there ie her sons; though that is a somewhat confusing area to ascertain. The eldest son i think worked with the Freemasonry Lodge to which i think Harry belonged in order to finesse the transportation for Agnes, my Grandmother and the two younger girls.
I know of the 1903 Melbourne census and i i have a good deal on them, although it's never enough in some cases!
Again, many thanks for your thoughtful work.
Kind regards,
Julie,
Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia.