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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: palmeira on Sunday 07 November 10 10:09 GMT (UK)
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I am searching my great grandmother Priscilla Rebecca Nash "Prissie".
Priscilla Rebecca Nash married Charles Henry Bennett in the Cathedral in Bombay 1880. According to their marriage documents, Priscilla was born in Glanmire Cork, the daughter of Joseph Nash.
I have no information about Joseph other than he farmed at Lakelodge Glanmire. Priscilla's sister was Mary Emily Nash.
I would be very grateful for any information regarding Priscilla, her siblings or her parents.
I would also like to know how Ryder Nash of Glanmire fits into the family - was he Josephs brother and father of Ryder Percival Nash?
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a couple of small details for you ... Joseph is listed in Henry & Coughlan’s General Directory of Cork & Munster 1867
Nash, Joseph, Lake lodge, Glanmire
Lake Lodge is shown in the townland of Poulacurry North on the historic OSI maps - see : Lake Lodge, Glanmire (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,571784,574878,6)
click on the options to the right to see the historic maps or press 8 for the 25" inch map from about 1890, 7 or 6 for the 1st edition maps from 1820s to 1840s
I dont see any sign of Joseph, or other Nash family, in the townland of Poulacurry North at the time of Griffth's valuation (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml) (1852 for that area) - maybe they moved there from elsewhere ?
Full civil registratioin started in Ireland in 1864 so you would probably need to research parish records for details on Pricilla's baptism and earlier records - do you know the family religion ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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it appears that Lake Lodge was previously occupied, or owned, by a John Martin.
'...Lake Lodge, of John Martin, Esq.;...'
see the Glanmire listing in Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, Samuel Lewis, 1837 : http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/g.php
Shane
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Many thanks!
Delighted with the map! I note Park Farm was situated very close to Lake Lodge - I understand Park Farm was farmed by Ryder Nash.
Presumably Joseph Nash must have been a tenant at Lake Lodge
With regard to religion, the family were definitely protestant - Charles Henry Bennett's father was the Rev Thomas Glasson Bennett of Bandon.
Thanks also to Luimneach. So Ryder Joseph Nash was Ryder Percival's father! (I already knew Ryder Percival was a doctor.)
Now, two more queries:
1. Does anyone know if Ryder Joseph Nash was related to the Ryder Nash who farmed Park Farm
2. How was Ryder Joseph Nash related to my ancestor Joseph Nash? ....Could he have been Joseph Nash's son?
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Now, two more queries:
1. Does anyone know if Ryder Joseph Nash was related to the Ryder Nash who farmed Park Farm
2. How was Ryder Joseph Nash related to my ancestor Joseph Nash? ....Could he have been Joseph Nash's son?
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probably the only way to find out the answer to these is to research the appropriate parish records and put together the various family connections.
Poulacurry North is in the civil and Church of Ireland parish of Rathcooney. Records for the parish go back to about 1750 and are available in the Representative Church Body Library, records some dates are also available in the National Archives.
CofI records for the parish dont seem to be available anywhere online.
Shane
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Many thanks!
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Hi All,
I've just joined and am the grandson of William Bensted Nash who was the son of a Joseph. Prissie Nash was mentioned on the list 2 years ago and I think she was my Gf's aunt. Would like to get more on the family. However, am still at early stage and have lots of random bits. Did the thread go dead? Am somewhat confused as names get repeated; Ryder and Joseph etc.
Cheers, Hugh
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Marriage for Pricilla Rebecca Nash to Charles Henry Bennett Bombay 15th Feb 1881.
There is a Henrietta Nash in 1901 Ireland census in house 19 Lotamore (Rathcooney Cork) which is Glanmire district. b. c 1867 in Co Cork, maybe related to Pricilla. www.nationalarchives.ie/census1901 :)
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May not be relevant but on familysearch.org- Irish Births and baptisms - there is a birth/baptism for a Henrietta Mary Nash 3 Mar 1865 Cork parents Llewellyn Charles Nash and Ellen Henrietta Welland - also a few more children showing for this couple.
annclare
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Thank you for all the recent replies.
Sorry for the delay in responding, to my shame it's been a very long time since I looked at this site....
I don't know anything about Henrietta Nash - need to do some more work... However, to date I've not found any connection with Llewelyn Nash...
Am delighted to hear Hugh Jagoe is descended from Joseph Nash - fabulous news! Not heard of William Bensted Nash before. Have sent Hugh a personal message.
Theodore Octavius Bennett (Priscilla Rebecca's brother-in-law) married Vescina Eliz Nash the daughter of Henry Cornwall Nash [Nash if Brinny] and Elizabeth Johnson. Does anyone know how Prissie's grandfather, Ryder Nash, was related to the Nash tribe of Brinny?
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Hi All,
William Bensted Nash, my Gf was born in Cape Town in 1881 to Joseph and Ester (nee Smith).Joseph had previously made his fortune on the Kimberly diamond mines. Havent traced Birth certs etc. Brother Ryder was also born in Cape Town . They returned to Co. Cork when William was 2 weeks old. Their father, also a Joseph bought a small "estate" near the other family farms. The family farm, originally owned by a Joseph (Lake Lodge in Glanmire?) was run by Ryder and Sam who didnt marry. I dont know where the "SA" Joseph bought had his estate, or names. The estate had a double story house. It must have been fairly large as they had a number of servants, horses and a coachman. Alfred Claud (1882 and two sisters were born during this time. William remembered (I have a 1954 letter he wrote to my mother) that he had two aunts, both of whom married army officers. One husband was Col Bennett who became a general in WW1. He couldn't remember the other aunt.
The family returned to South Africa in about 1888/9 on the SS Trojan, landing in Port Elizabeth. Alfred Claud must have been left behind and was adopted out to his uncle James who was an unmarried doctor living in London.
The Joseph bought the farm Broxley outside Grahamstown (north east of Port Elizabeth). They farmed cattle, horses and goats. I know the region and its fairly dry. A local farmer recently told me that it is thought that a young girl drowned on the farm, maybe a sister of William's (?).
Alfred Claud visited the farm in about 1904 and then went off to South America to visit an uncle (John?) who hadmarried into a cattle ranching family "of high status". Alfred Claud might have spent as long as 2 years in South America before going back to Ireland or England (?). He joined the army and was posted to France in 1916. In October 1917 he was commissioned as a Captain. He was awarded the Military Cross and was gassed. His Unit was the RH. Artillery, at some stage.
I think he married (dont know who?) and had a few children. He must have deserted his wife because he later had another lady with whom he had at least one son. During this second relationship he might have spent time in Cork as he wrote to William in about April 1954. he might have been hiding and maybe not divorced. Sadly his issue from the second relationship doesnt know anything about his parents.
I dont know what happened to Broxley except they battled finncially to the extent that they could not afford to send William to school.
My daughter will be visiting Broxley farm in early January 2013 so hope to get more info.
William married a Kate Grimshaw (date ?), who was English born and only had one daughter, my mother, in 1924. William and Kate divorced (date?) and he remarried Louis (?). He spent most of his working life in what is now Maputo, Mozambique in the timber import / export business. Not sure when he retired. When I knew him in the mid to late 1960s he lived in a small village, Parys, on the Vaal River. Both William and Louis died in Durban in the late 1970s within 6 weeks of eachother. I lived close by and was not informed by the old age home where they lived. Apparently some "local" relatives collected their belonggings. I have no idea who they could be
Am having troubles navigating the South African archives but have a historian friend helping.
Any help with the Nash stay in Cork from early 1880s to 1904 would be helpful. Partivularly about the girls. I want to find the passenger list for the SS Trojan that they traveled on to Port Elizabeth in about 1888/9.
Cheers, Hugh.
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Hello Hugh!
So much info! Where do I start....?
Ryder Nash m Rebecca Moxly in 1799 in Cork
Joseph Nash (s/o Ryder and Rebecca) m Elizabeth Williams in 1843; she was the d/o Joseph Williams and Mary Bennett.
Joseph and Elizabeth's four children were:
a. Mary Emily b c 1851 Glanmire. She married Lt Col. Richard Dawson Bennett 15/6/1877 in Rathcooney
This couple's childen were:
1. Mabel Constance b 1879 m Harold Beresford Heelas
2. Violet maud b 1881 Barbados
3. Richard Shaw de Courcy Bennett b 1885 Secunderabad India, died 1955. Richard married Ruby Montagu Hall in London
b. Priscilla Rebecca b 1854 in Glanmire, died 1930. Priscilla m Lt Col Charles Henry Bennett 15/2/1881in Bombay Cathedral (my gt X1 grandparents).
Priscilla and Charles Henry Bennett's children were
1. LT Col Thomas Edwin Bennett b 22/11/1882 Jabalpur West Bengal, India. Thomas Edwin died 1925 in Brighton. He married Mabel Henry [Mabel remarried and lived with her second husband [William Falcon] at Clansthal, Umkomaas, Natal - small world eh?]
2. Sybil Mildred b 1883 Kamptee India
3. Evelyn May b 1887 Cork
4. Colleen Irene b 22/6/1891 in Bangalore india. Colleen married Percival Petrie 1932 in Staines
c. Samuel A Nash. dob unknown, Sam farmed Lake Lodge - sheep farmer
d. Ryder Joseph Nash died 22/9/1917 in Peckham London. He married Charlotte Susanna Fuller 13/10/1877 in Shepherd's Bush London' Ryder and Charlotte's children were:
1. Nora Josephine b 27/8/1878 in Cork. Nora married James Good 11/1/1902 in Bombay India.
2. Ryder Percival Nash born 10/1/1880 at Park House Ballincrossig, Glanmire. Ryder Percival was an RAMC surgeon. He died 18/12/1957 in Poole Dorset.
Now it gets interesting (well, for me it's interesting!) Theodore Octavius Bennett married Vescina Eliz Cornwall Nash 1889 in Bandon (according to the family, the couple were cousins). Vescina descended from the Nash of Brinny family.
So two Bennett brothers [Charles Henry Bennett and Richard Dawson Bennett] married Nash sisters, and another Bennett brother [Theodore Octavius] married a Nash cousin!
Regarding the your "General" reference, none of the Bennett boys rose to such dizzy heights, but Lt Col Thomas Edwin Bennett was one of the Pall bearers at the Unknown Warrior's funeral in 1920.
Hugh: Suggest you email me, will contact you privately with my email address. Cheers!
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More on Hugh's Nash ancestors:
There is a considerable amount of info regarding Alfred Claud Nash on the web.
Passenger lists confirm Alfred Claud Nash visited South Africa at least twice, returning to the UK in 1905 and again in 1908. He arrived back in England from Buenos Aires 1914
He is mentioned in the Supplement to the London Gazette published 1/1/1917
Someone purchased Alfred's private Id braclet disc at an antique fair for just £9.00!!!! Photos of the disc are on the web.
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=163449
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hey iam looking into research for nash/croft/sherlock burried at kilbrin kanturk cork. there is a tomb there that dates back to 1800 and was wondering if joseph nash could be linked to this
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Many thanks! Unfortunately I have no idea whether there's a connection - do you know what is inscribed on the tomb - names, dates?
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I now live at Lake Lodge Glanmire. My father bought the Farm from William O'Brien in 1960. We lived in the old big house for a few years. Park farm is adjoining and there is evidence of constructed gateways between the two farms. Tim Murphy
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Wow! I'd love to hear more details. Have you any photos of the properties you are willing to share?
Will send you a message.
:)
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I have memories of the old farm yard and buildings. I have a photo of the entrance which I will share in a few days. I may be able to get a photo of the front of the old house which had a basement, a ground floor and firs floor. The yard had an orchard, smoke house, tackle house, generator house, slaughter house, stables, old telephone exchange, several deep wells, a ram to pump water from bottom land - 300 feet down hill. The old dwelling house was demolished circa 1966. The farm used to supply meat via horse and dray to the barracks in cork City. There was a lodge at the gate and laborer houses on the road at the end on the hill.
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Hello Tim!
I'm delighted to have details of the property - it was obviously quite extensive. Thank you so much for the offer of a photograph of the entrance. Any additional info you feel able to share would be very much appreciated.
I'm unsure whether I have photos of Ryder Joseph & Samuel Arthur Nash, but I do have a couple of my great grandmother X1, Priscilla Rebecca Nash (their sister) with several of her brothers - so possibly Joseph Ryder and Samuel are in some of the photographs. Joseph Nash & Elizabeth (nee Williams) had a large family consisting of at least seven children.
Joseph Ryder Nash farmed Park Farm and his brother, Samuel Arthur, farmed Lake Lodge. Their father (my great X2 grandfather Joseph Nash) farmed Lake Lodge. I don't know when Samuel Arthur died, but Joseph Ryder died in 1917 in Peckham London
My understanding is that in 1837 Lake Lodge was owned by John Martin and in 1914-1921 the property was farmed by J. Cornwall.
Many, many thanks!
:)
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Thanks for info re John Cornwall - I did not know that. Enter the following in https://maps.google.ie/ -
51.925816,-8.409553
The Farm in the middle is Lake Lodge
The farm to the north (above) is Park Farm
The farm to south-west (below to left) is Lake View
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Tim, thanks for the map reference.
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Hi All,
William Bensted Nash, my Gf was born in Cape Town in 1881 to Joseph and Ester (nee Smith).Joseph had previously made his fortune on the Kimberly diamond mines. Havent traced Birth certs etc. Brother Ryder was also born in Cape Town . They returned to Co. Cork when William was 2 weeks old. Their father, also a Joseph bought a small "estate" near the other family farms. The family farm, originally owned by a Joseph (Lake Lodge in Glanmire?) was run by Ryder and Sam who didnt marry. I dont know where the "SA" Joseph bought had his estate, or names. The estate had a double story house. It must have been fairly large as they had a number of servants, horses and a coachman. Alfred Claud (1882 and two sisters were born during this time. William remembered (I have a 1954 letter he wrote to my mother) that he had two aunts, both of whom married army officers. One husband was Col Bennett who became a general in WW1. He couldn't remember the other aunt.
The family returned to South Africa in about 1888/9 on the SS Trojan, landing in Port Elizabeth. Alfred Claud must have been left behind and was adopted out to his uncle James who was an unmarried doctor living in London.
The Joseph bought the farm Broxley outside Grahamstown (north east of Port Elizabeth). They farmed cattle, horses and goats. I know the region and its fairly dry. A local farmer recently told me that it is thought that a young girl drowned on the farm, maybe a sister of William's (?).
Alfred Claud visited the farm in about 1904 and then went off to South America to visit an uncle (John?) who hadmarried into a cattle ranching family "of high status". Alfred Claud might have spent as long as 2 years in South America before going back to Ireland or England (?). He joined the army and was posted to France in 1916. In October 1917 he was commissioned as a Captain. He was awarded the Military Cross and was gassed. His Unit was the RH. Artillery, at some stage.
I think he married (dont know who?) and had a few children. He must have deserted his wife because he later had another lady with whom he had at least one son. During this second relationship he might have spent time in Cork as he wrote to William in about April 1954. he might have been hiding and maybe not divorced. Sadly his issue from the second relationship doesnt know anything about his parents.
I dont know what happened to Broxley except they battled finncially to the extent that they could not afford to send William to school.
My daughter will be visiting Broxley farm in early January 2013 so hope to get more info.
William married a Kate Grimshaw (date ?), who was English born and only had one daughter, my mother, in 1924. William and Kate divorced (date?) and he remarried Louis (?). He spent most of his working life in what is now Maputo, Mozambique in the timber import / export business. Not sure when he retired. When I knew him in the mid to late 1960s he lived in a small village, Parys, on the Vaal River. Both William and Louis died in Durban in the late 1970s within 6 weeks of eachother. I lived close by and was not informed by the old age home where they lived. Apparently some "local" relatives collected their belonggings. I have no idea who they could be
Am having troubles navigating the South African archives but have a historian friend helping.
Any help with the Nash stay in Cork from early 1880s to 1904 would be helpful. Partivularly about the girls. I want to find the passenger list for the SS Trojan that they traveled on to Port Elizabeth in about 1888/9.
Cheers, Hugh.
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Hi
My father was a sibling. Alfred Claude Nash. He had 3 sons Patrick, Michael and Timothy by his wife,left her about 1934. Timothy is the only remaking son from his marriage and he is 80 and lives in America.Then there's a gap until he hooked up with my mother and I was born in 1947 my sister Elizabeth was born 1949 both of us in dingle Eire. My father died in 1954 and. Is buried in Littlehampton West Sussex
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Hi Hugh,
By chance I came upon your post on Rootschat regarding Joseph Nash and Your grandfather William Nash and reference to a farm Broxley in the Grahamstown area of SA. My Grandmother Gertude Nash ( Married name Mitchell) was born in Ireland and mentioned 2 or 3 brothers Willy, Sam and Rhyder and also a farm Broxley. My Grandmother also retired to Parys on the Vaal River.
It looks like we may be related and would like to find out if your daughter found the farm Broxley or not and possibly chat in more detail about the Nash family
Regards
Donaldm
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Hello Donaldm!
If you do manage to link yourself to the Broxley Nash family, then I too am related to you.
The Irish descent is as follows:
Ryder Nash married Rebecca Moxly.
Their son was Joseph Nash who married Elizabeth Williams.
Joseph & Elizabeth had seven children, five sons (one of whom was also named Joseph!) and two daughters.
It's at this level we separate:
The South African Nash family descend from Joseph Nash (jnr).
I descend Priscilla Rebecca Nash who married Charles Henry Bennett; my great X1 grandparents.
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Dear Palmeira,
Thank you for your prompt response!
It is good to find out about the family and please to hear from a distant cousin!
I have found out more about my grandmother Gertrude Clare Nash born 12th April 1883 to Joseph A Nash and Minnie Ellen Nash of Carrignabar (sp), Factory Hill, (I think in a town called midleton Cork.
I still have seen no new entry from Hugh, do you know any way of contacting him?
Regards Donaldm
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Yes, I have his email address!
Will contact you privately...don't like to post Hugh's details online!
Cheers!
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SOS to Palmeira, Hugh, etc on this thread and anyone who can verify that this is a picture of
RYDER PERCIVAL NASH
He was second surgeon on the maiden voyage in 1911 of the RMS Olympic, sister ship to the RMS Titanic of ill-fame a year later.
I have a photograph of 13 Olympic officers from the Maiden Voyage, 12 of their identities are known to me. The senior surgeon (who later went down with the Titanic) is shown. Logically, this should be the assistant surgeon, who is shown on the sign-on crew manifest as Ryder Percival Nash.
Is anyone in a position to confirm that this is so?
Alternatively, is there are family similarity? Does he look like his brothers/father etc?
If anyone has a photo of RP Nash they are willing to share with me, I should be delighted to receive it on my email address - (*)
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Gee, it really would be great if someone helped me on Ryder Percival Nash, he mused in his third post.
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Here is another picture of my strongly suspected Ryder Percival Nash.
Same voyage, less good.
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Nash 1901 census entry in Cork
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Hello Senan!
I'm sorry, I cannot verify the photo - wish I could.... don't have a single verified photograph of Ryder Percival Nash.
Ryder Percival Nash died 18/12/1957 in Poole Dorset
Have attached two photos:
1. Ryder Percival's aunts - my great grandmother Priscilla Rebecca with her sister Mary Emily; I imagine the unknown male is one of their brothers.
2. Benny Nash - Ryder' Percival's cousin...there could be a family likeness between Benny and the chap in your photograph.
Are you connected to the family?
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Thanks a lot - No, am no connection at all.
I can see RP Nash on the Olympic manifest. I have a pic with the Captain, Chief Officer, Chief Engineer, Six ranking officers, Purser and assistant purser, and Chief Surgeon. There's one unidentified, but there is only the assistant surgeon remaining as a qualifying officer.
Therefore this is a picture of RP Nash.
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Hello again Senan!
Am delighted to have a photo of RP Nash. So many thanks! :)
...Have you any other photographs of him?
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Hello, family members.
My great grandmother was Mary Emily Nash (b.1851), the eldest of Joseph Nash and Elizabeth Williams. She married Richard Dawson Bennett (1845-1924). Priscilla Rebecca Nash (1854-1930) married Richard's brother Charles. I only have two brothers, Samuel Arthur Nash and Ryder Joseph Nash (d.1917). Does anyone have a family tree I can look at? The exchanges indicate there were another three brothers. What were their names?
Best wishes to you all.
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Hello Guy!
I have a family tree with you on it!!!!!! Our great grandparents were siblings!
I will endeavour to contact you privately.
It's lovely to hear from you!
:)
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See attached a photo circa 1920 of Lake Lodge house, Poulacurry North, Glanmire
Tim Murphy
(currently living at Lake Lodge)
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Many thanks for the photo of Lakelodge house. I'm delighted to see the property. :)
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Dear all,
I am quite new to this and dont know if I am scared and overwhelmed bybthe sudden wealth of info or very excited .
I am one of the missing links of Joseph Henry Nash. Josephine Henrietta is my great grandmother. She had 3 daughters and a son. Cornelia Susanna Van der Hoven is my granny who sadly passed away before I could ask more. Doris Yvonne Ann and Minnie Ellen is her sisters and uncle Joe their brother. I am not sure if his full names are also Joseph Henry. I am trying to make contact with Aunt Minnie's daughter as Im not sure if aunt Dot or uncle Joe had children. All 4 kids have the same father Jacobus Esiah Benjamin Van der Hoven.
Is it possible to share your tree? I am not to sure how to proceed from here. I have started out on wikitree as it is free but it is so limited with resources:(
I hope I am not falling into this queue way too late?
Blessed wishes
Wanda
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Hello Wanda!
Delighted to hear from you! If you write to me privately, giving me your email address, I will send you a copy of my Nash of Glanmire family tree.
All the best!
:)
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Hi Palmeira
Im really excited but cant find the private message function. I think after this message i have to post at least once more.
I hope this helps:
Blessed wishes
Wanda
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Hello Wanda!
Have received your message. Am busy right now, but will definitely email the Nash family info this afternoon.
All the best!
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Hi Wanda,
Now that you have made a couple of posts, you can access all functions of RootsChat including the PM function, this is the safe way to pass on email details (should you wish)
You will now be able to see the PM button that appears just below the profile name.
Sarah ;)