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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: suzy on Tuesday 01 June 04 17:38 BST (UK)
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My husband's grandfather was the owner of a cotton mill (?) in Macclesfield or Wilmslow, I believe. They lived in Alderley Edge. How can I find out the names of the owners of the mills 100+ years ago? Surname Crewdson.
Any help would be grateful.
Suzy
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Hi Suzy
Have you tried contacting with the Macclesfield Silk Museum, details below.
Telephone: 01625 612045
Fax: 01625 612048
Write to:Silk Museum, Park Lane,Macclesfield,Cheshire,SK11 6TJ.
Email: silkmuseum@tiscali.co.uk
Do you have his census details ? are you sure his factory was in the Macclesfield area, a lot of Manchester manufacturers and cloth merchants moved out to the Alderly
area once the railways were in operation ?
There is no online list of mill owners in the Macclesfield area, that I know of.
good luck
peterbennett
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Hi! Suzy,
If it is of any help to you, if you would like a list of all the Crewdsons on the 1901 census, just let me know, and I can send it to you.
I don't know if this is one of your Crewdsons. The company is called John Horrocks, Crewdson and Co. There is a picture of the building and a write up, seems the starts of the company.
http://northturton.com/edgeworth/hist_bldgs.html
I also typed in Crewdson Cotton Mill Owners, and it came up with a number of pages.
Catherine :)
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Hi Suzy,
You may be able to find information from the business directories of the time. The early ones just tend to be listed by name and trade but some later directories sometimes include the index by street !
RootsChat :)
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Thank you very much for the replies. I had a day on the computer over half term and got this posted, but I am rather too busy at the moment with marking (in FE), but I hope to be able to start some research in a few days when my current students have disappeared and then over the summer holidays!
Many thanks - some good suggestions to be tried shortly
Suzy
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Hi Suzy
As a Crewdson myself, I have done some research and some time ago at Manchester Central Library I came across a business directory (sorry can't remember the year), Which mentioned that the Crewdson family either owned or had some dealings with Norcliffe hall near to Style. I think this have been about 1900. If you find anything out please let me know at the address on my website www.crewdson.family.btinternet.co.uk (http://www.crewdson.family.btinternet.co.uk)
Thanks
Nick
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Suzy/Nick
I suggest you look at the following website:
http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk
It covers the cotton industry in Lancashire, but I typed in Crewdson in the search box and got 69 hits! It includes images of pages from directories listing mills, their owners, office addresses and mills in and around Manchester as well as Lancashire generally. As you say Nick, many mill owners moved from Lancashire to Cheshire in the late 19th century - my Hartley family certainly did.
Good luck
Nell
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Suzy
This is probably a bit early - had a look in Slater's directory 1855.
None in Macclesfield, but some CREWSDON in Wilmslow where it says "In the parish are cotton spinning factories" (no surprise there):
Nobility, Gentry, And Clergy
Crewsdon Mrs. Ann, Alderley edge
Crewsdon Mr. Robert, Alderley edge
However under Cotton Spinners there is only one listing
Greg R. H. & Co.
Steve
(with collateral line JENKINSON marr. CREWSDON in Lancs c1859)
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I must apologise for not getting onto Rootsweb sooner. Thank you for the messages that have been posted. I have had success!
I had looked at the Horrocks & Crewdson connection, but as my husband had no recollection of 'Horrocks' being mentioned when he was little, and also the towns did not link up with the family homes (nearness and travelling in those days), I discounted this.
Nick, your message mentioning Crewdson connection with Norcliffe Hall reminded me that this was the home of my husband's great grandfather.
Then Nell, your message suggesting looking at spinningtheweb.org.uk was just the right place to look. I found the Crewdsons I was looking for and got some good information.
Not only that, I also found information about the Bellhouse family and their business in the area - (John Crewdson married Nora Bellhouse - my husband's grandparents), so I am a very pleased with the finds.
I have now got a good grounding on which to continue searching.
Many many thanks for your help.
Suzy
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Suzy,
I resurrect this old thread to ask, have you seen a book called...
Photographic Pedigree of the Descendants of Isaac & Rachel Wilson 1740
compiled by R Seymour Benson and published 1912
(plus a supplement published 1920)
I currently have my father's copies of these books. There are photos of John Wright CREWDSON and Nora BELLHOUSE and many other relations beside.
The family trees in the book show how complicated the inter-married Quaker families are for family historians ! One of John Wright CREWDSON's great grandmothers (Rachel CREWDSON) was the sister of one of his grandfathers (Joseph CREWDSON). These two siblings had a brother Isaac who was my 4xgt Grandfather. I think that Isaac was connected to Horrocks, Crewdson & Co, but I am not sure why[/b] I think that :)
Are your husband's family still Quakers? If not, do you know when they left ? Many Crewdsons, and other prominent Quakers in the area, left the Society of Friends in the late 1830's in a secession led by Isaac.
(See eg http://www.qhpress.org/quakerpages/qwhp/bfhstbc.htm)
Hugh in Sheffield
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Hello Hugh in Sheffield
Very many thanks for resurrecting the thread again.
No I have not seen the book Photographic Pedigree of the Descendants of Isaac and Rachel Wilson 1740, but it sounds VERY interesting. I would love to see a copy. I shall have to see if my local library can find a copy for me to borrow or read through.
No, my husband was unaware that he had Quaker connections; we are Christians, but not Quakers.
I had done some research, and found Quaker Crewdsons up in the Lake District, but could not find any real connection. I think I shall probably find the missing parts when I can read that book and look at the family tree!
I hope to read the article on the Quaker's page later on today.
Are you a Quaker? Are you a Crewdson?
Many thanks again
Suzy
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hello Suzy,
No I am not a Quaker or a Crewdson :) Isaac married Elizabeth JOWITT and their daughter Mary married Henry WATERHOUSE. I am a Waterhouse descended from Henry and Mary.
Now I think about it, there wasn't much chance that John Wright CREWDSON would be a Quaker since he was descended from JOWITTs who were siblings of Elizabeth and CREWDSONs who were siblings of Isaac (three CREWDSON siblings married three JOWITT siblings!) The chances are that all these Crewdsons left the Quakers in the 1830's. Isaac started his own sect when he left. Others became Plymouth Brethren or Anglicans.
There is another book called The Crisis of the Quaker Contest in Manchester which I have only seen in Friends House in London (but I am trying to buy a copy). This is a blow by blow account of the contoversy from the point of view of the secessionists, and has the texts of resignation letters, including one written by Henry and Mary Waterhouse. It would be interesting to see what other Crewdsons are included.
I have a bunch of information about the Beaconites somewhere but I haven't studied these lines for some time - I will have to dig them out.
Before my first message, I had to make my own version of the 'simple' tree in the book, so that I could understand it :D Would you like me to send you a copy? - it is a single page MSWord document. If so, can you pm me an email address?
Hugh
ps Although I live in Yorkshire, my father lives just across the moor from you in Meavy :)
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Hello Folks - I am a contributor to the Alderley Edge History Group and am currently researching the Crewdson families which lived in the village. The family is mentioned in Katharine Chorley's book "Manchester Made Them" as one of the wealthiest and most influential in the village. A problem I have is that some of the contact details on this page e.g. "spinningtheweb org uk" and the website crewdson family btinternet co uk are no longer operational, so if anyone who knows any details of the Crewdsons who lived in Alderley Edge I would be most grateful. Looking forward to any contributions. Kind regards.
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Is this any use?
"Spinning the web - the story of the cotton industry"
"Brings together some 20,000 items from libraries, museums and archives of North West England"
https://open.conted.ox.ac.uk/resources/link/spinning-web-story-cotton-industry
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Hello Maiden Stone - Many thanks for your post. I have tried to access the 'spinning the web' site but it never opens. I am looking for any history about the Crewdson family of Alderley Edge and there was a number of posts about 15 years ago, but nothing since then.
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This is a slightly udated version of the family tree I offered Suzy back in the day. The two generations at the bottom are the ones connected to Alderley Edge and there are photographs of them in the photographic pedigree. (The photos are passport size).
I also have a supplement to the pedigree which has additional photos of Lilian Dora BENSON nee CREWSON and her husband, as well as a son of John Wright and Nora who died of wounds on the Somme in 1916.
Hugh
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Hello Hugh. Very many thanks for your prompt and helpful response. As a newcomer to this site I have tried to access the 'spinningtheweb' site but it seems to have closed down. Do you have any ideas as to how I might access its successor if there is one ?? Also I am a bit lost on what you mean about the 'pedigree' information. How can I access that information. With kind regards, JGraham.
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'Pedgree' refers to the Photographic Pedigree by R Seymour Benson which I cited in my old messages and also on the sketchy family tree above. The main volume was published in 1912 and there is a supplement published in 1912.
I can't find a complete version of these online though the Alamy image archive seems to have some, maybe all, the photographs.
Here are two scans of the relevant pages. The different coloured text relates to the different generations.
Hugh
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I don't remember trying the Spinning the Web website back in 2005 and I can't make it work now. I have asked a question about it on a Manchester Archives blog - I don't know if that will get anywhere.
I note that my 3xGt Grandfather Henry WATERHOUSE (on the family tree above) lived in Alderley Edge at the end of his life and died there in 1884. His wife Mary (nee CREWDSON) had died some years before in Didsbury
Hugh
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Hello Hugh Very many thanks for your response. It is extremely helpful. I am gradually putting together the history of the Alderley Edge Crewdsons, and am really surprised just how interlinked are the Quaker families through many generations. I have managed to find reasonably up to date photos of some of the houses the Crewdson families lived in at Alderley Edge, as some are in the conservation area, and one has been turned into a hotel. I can post these if you are interested. Kind regards, JGraham.
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Hello Folks - I am a contributor to the Alderley Edge History Group and am currently researching the Crewdson families which lived in the village. The family is mentioned in Katharine Chorley's book "Manchester Made Them" as one of the wealthiest and most influential in the village. A problem I have is that some of the contact details on this page e.g. "spinningtheweb org uk" and the website crewdson family btinternet co uk are no longer operational, so if anyone who knows any details of the Crewdsons who lived in Alderley Edge I would be most grateful. Looking forward to any contributions. Kind regards.
This is interesting. The original BT site was mine but I use Ancestry now. A long time has passed since doing that and I didn't take a copy of the content. My family branch is a different one to Alderley Edge one but with the relatively rarity of the name there must be a link somewhere. I can trace my family back to the south Lakes at the start of the 19th century.
I think the Alderley Edge Crewdsons come from the Wakefield, Crewdson & Co, Kendal Bank that was ultimately absorbed into my current employer, Barclays. Despite my efforts to claim ownership, It seems to be falling on deaf ears.
The name does seem to have an interesting past. More than will to share my knowledge on the name. Please let me know.