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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: DeirdreMc on Monday 14 March 05 17:41 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for a birth record for a presbyterian from Drum would this town be attached to a Parish (do presby. records do it this way?) or can I just contact the current Presby. church in the town and hope they have the records on site?
thank you :)
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Hello Deirdre,
www.proni.gov.uk/records/church.htm - There is an interesting paragraph about Presbyterian records in this article. It appears that you may have to look in two or three places to obtain the birth record that you require (although it may depend upon the date of the record). You do not mention your location. Would you like me to see if this record is at the PRO in Belfast ?
Christopher
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Christopher--you nice person!!
If you would look that would be fantastic!!! I'm a Dubliner now living in Ohio and I would really appreciate it.
--her birth year was 1871 on her headstone
--the only Margaret Campbell I could find born in that year was in Drum although we know she also had relatives in Carrickmacross --I think she later married my g-grandfather in Carrickm. Jul 25, 1893.
Thank you thank you ;D
Deirdre
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Drum is in Currin parish.
Carrickmacross is in Magheracloone parish.
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Hi all--
does anyone know if Carrickmacross or Drum have there own Presbyterian graveyards?
If not --any info on where residents of these towns would have be buried?
Thank you :D
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opps typo... : their not there (Mr. Ryan my English would kill me.....)
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Hi Deirdre :)
have you had a look at this Monaghan site? It gives the address for the Presbyterian Historical Society and some general information on family research.
Regards
Darcy
http://www.monaghantourism.com/genealogy.asp
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;D I emailed the site and will post any info given--Deirdre
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Hi all--
does anyone know if Carrickmacross or Drum have there own Presbyterian graveyards?
If not --any info on where residents of these towns would have be buried?
Thank you :D
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I already sent a message which has not appeared. There is a Pres. graveyard in Drum. My maternal grandfather (William Hall) andhis wife maiden name Margaret Lindsay are both buried there!
Lynchris
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Yes there is a presbyterian cemetery in Carrickmacross as I remember my uncle telling me that cemetery was where the protestants were buried.
My father was born in Magheracloone on 12th April 1912 he was one of 11 children born at Derrynascobe
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Drum has at least two Presbyterian graveyards. The oldest is in the center of the village behind the old meetinghouse/school. The newer one is beside the Drum Presbyterian Meetinghouse, which is still holding services.
I'm curious as to which Presbyterian family name you are researching in Drum. Perhaps I can be of some help.
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This is an old thread and DeirdreMc hasn't been online since Oct.2006.
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I'm researching a number of Co. Monaghan families, including some in Drum (Currin parish) and surrounding area. Surnames: COLVIN/CALVIN, HADDEN/HADDON, RUSK, KELLS, HENRY, ARMSTRONG, JOHNSTON, ALLEN, NORRIS, and others. Are you there in County Monaghan for look-ups? I'm always glad to exchange information.
Annie
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Hi Annie
I just came across your post regarding Research on the Kells family name in Co Monaghan. I know the post was made a few years ago but I was wondering if you would have any available information. My mother's family all came from the Monaghan/Cavan area (maternal name is Flack). My great aunt Phoebe Flack is buried at one of the presbyterian churches in Drum and died on 31st October 1993. She was buried alongside her mother and father. I'd appreciate any information you might have.
Many thanks.
Michelle Campbell
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Michelle,
Do you mean that you'd like to know more about the KELLS family that I'm researching? Was your great-aunt Phoebe FLACK born a KELLS, married to a KELLS, or was she the daughter/granddaughter of a KELLS? Or did you mean that you're only looking for information on the FLACK family in County Monaghan? I'm glad to help if I have anything about your families.
Annie
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Hi Annie
Sorry that message was a bit over the place. My grandfather Thomas KELLS married Margaret Jane FLACK. His parents were Francis KELLS and Margaret Jane?? FAULKENER. Phoebe FLACK would have been his sister-in-law. He was one of about 13 children, these included John Joseph KELLS who was killed on 1st July 1916 in WW1. Other siblings included Richard, George, Eliza Jane and David. David was the youngest member and he was a tailor/outfitters assistant who opened his own clothes shop "SD KELLS" which his son Roy and grandsons now manage. The family farmed at a place called Neddiaugh but I am unsure if this was in Monaghan or Cavan. I know that my great-grandfather Francis KELLS had uncles (possibly brothers) who emigrated during the famine. Some of them went to the US and some went to New Zealand. I am just trying to find out as much information regarding the KELLS family in general as from what I can gather it is an unusual name for that area. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
Michelle
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Annie, what Armstrong names do you have in the Parish? Have you ever come across a John Armstrong married to a Hannah Matthews, possibly around 1830/40's (they had at least one daughter, Elizabeth Jane born c1843)?
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I haven't ever seen records on a John Armstrong & wife Hannah Matthews in Co. Monaghan -- were they Protestant? Have you searched any of the church registers? My Armstrongs were mainly in Donaghmore and Pomeroy parishes in Co. Tyrone, from the mid-1700s-on, but they married into several Co. Monaghan families (McVitty/McVetty, for one) and we look at all the Armstrongs in the Clones-Currin-Killeevan area of Co. Monaghan, just in case we might find a relative. James and Francis/Frank were common given names in our Armstrong line. I've also looked up Armstrongs in Magheraculmoney parish, Co. Fermanagh, for a friend. Her ancestor Charles Armstrong of Tulnagin died in 1889 at age 81; his son George (born abt 1851) was his estate administrator. Glad to help further if possible.
Annie
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hi michelle,
i am researching ROBERT HANNA of drum married ELIZA CRAWFORD circa 1840 immigrated to nz 1864
eliza's 2nd brother was REV JOHN CRAWFORD DD ruling elder at first Drum church.
He married MARY ANN WEIR, their 7th child was ELIZA JANE CRAWFORD born 23.2.1876 Drumgole Co Monaghan.eliza jane married JOHN WILLIAM FLACK circa 1906.John was born 1874 Co Cavan died 31.5.1951 Both are buried in Drum churchyard Co Monaghan.
child of eliza and john flack is ELIZABETH JANE PHOEBE FLACK born 1907 co cavan died 31.10.1993
Known as phoebe buried Drum presbyterian churchyard,Never Married,Matron of military hospital Bangor
norther ireland.
cheers
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Think there's a bit of confusion here-
REV JOHN CRAWFORD DD ruling elder at first Drum church.
Ruling Elder means he was the senior Elder in the church, not that he was minister there. I've checked the history of 1st Drum Presbyterian Church and there was a Rev. James Dawson Crawford (ordained 1849 and left in 1866). Could he be the connection?
Did come across this thread on another forum-
http://www.irelandxo.com/node/30826
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yes! this information did come from the ireland reaching out site
and it maybe incorrect as the rev john crawford who married mary anna weir appears not to be the same rev john crawford who was a missionary in damascus as he married to mary beattie stewart.
i am still assuming that john crawford was the brother of rev dr james dawson crawford
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Would you like me to do a bit of searching and see if I can find anything further of the Reverend Crawfords?
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yes i would love to find more information on the rev crawfords
i am trying to find robert hanna's family the husband of eliza crawford (both of drum)
eliza being the sister of john crawford and thr rev james dawson crawford
i am getting closer but not there yet,any help on that front would also be most appreciated
thank you
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Right, give me a bit of time to check files :)
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There is a very, very extensive family tree online which gives as it's main source a family tree drawn up c1900 and includes Thomas Crawford and wife Phoebe Toppin (Topping?).
One thing of concern for any of the details I found online is the Will of Rev. James Dawson Crawford: Probate of the Will of The Reverend James Dawson Crawford late of 104 University-street Belfast Presbyterian Minister who died 5 October 1902 granted at Belfast to Mary Alice Crawford the Widow.
Will mentions sister Phebe, sister Ann Jane Boles*, nephew Arthur Crawford Watt** (minister Free Church Cromie Scotland), brother Joseph Dawson Crawford DD (Liverpool), nephew John D Crawford (barrister, London).
* there is an Ann Boles in 1901 census that might be her but unfortunately it looks like her son Robert James Boles was born c1845 so her marriage is probably before the start of registration.
Probate of the Will of Anne Jane Boles late of Tomany County Monaghan Married Woman who died 18 April 1902 granted at Armagh to Samuel Boles the Husband and Robert J. Boles Farmers. Will mentions son Robert James
Ann Jane (c1823) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Aghabog/Tomany/1632836
Robert James Bole (c1845) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Aghabog/Tomany/805811
** wife Letitia's Will mentions her deceased sister Martha Watt so Arthur is likely Letitia's nephew.
James Dawson Crawford's marriage to Letitia in 1851, however, does show his father's name as John-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCW-82F
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Regarding Robert Hanna of Drum-
Rev. Hugh Hanna was from Dromore, Co. Down & doesn't seen to have had a brother listed but you already know this-
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52474.0
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looks like we have picked up another sister of eliza jane crawford and brother rev dr james dawson crawford etc
ANN JANE CRAWFORD who married SAMUEL BOLES
parents of eliza jane,ann jane,rev james dawson crawford etc are
JOHN CRAWFORD 1795-1851 and JANE DAWSON 1795-1890
thank you
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is it possible to send the link for family tree of thomas crawford and phoebe topping?
thank you
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The family tree I found gave Phoebe's name as Toppin (Topping is my interpretation of what it could be). You can find the tree either via Ancestry or Mundia if you don't have access to Ancestry. As with all online information this would need to be researched further and verified but you could try making contact with the submitter to exchange family information. The online tree does not seem to list Ann Jane Crawford as a sister so there could easily be errors or omissions. She was certainly listed in Joseph Dawson Crawford's Will but if she was his sister-in-law rather than actual sister then she would not have been Crawford.
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Sorry I'm only getting back to you. Yes Phoebe Flack was my great aunt and she was a lovely lady. I seen her a couple of days before she died in the Ulster Hospital. She loved her cats and had quite a few lol. Her sister Margaret was my granny. I have a hand written family tree which was compiled by Thomas Crawford at New Bliss in 1907. However it mostly names the males in the family. I also have old photographs that my aunt Phoebe gave to me and I believe that these were of family members who had emigrated to New Zealand. I don't know who most of them are unfortunately. In truth I'm a bit in the dark when it comes to the Crawford side of my family. If you want to send me a private message with your address I could maybe post what I have to you. I wouldn't be able to scan the tree itself as it quite large, which is why I would need to post it. Also I would appreciate any information you might have also.
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Me again, just looking through the photos I have and I have a a couple of rev dawson crawford. I also have one of Eliza hanna (nee Crawford) and wife of robert hanna taken in may 1883 and of roberts brothers snd also of what I think is eliza snd roberts 2 daughters, mary and tisha. Let me know if ur interested in any of these. michelle
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hi michelle,
that would be wonderful to have the family tree and copies of photos.
i have been unable to find any brothers of robert hanna husband of eliza
so am thrilled.
i would love to hear from you
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I am another soul looking for a Plunkett & Crawford in Monaghan. Thomas married Susanna Crawford in 1800, luckily he was in the Army so the details survived.he was b circa 1775 in Monaghan After the birth of Mary in 1802, the family went to Woolwich where Thomas was born in 1804. Thomas applied for a transfer because of the pestilence, so it assumed both these babies died. However it is the Monaghan part of this family I am after. Oral history says Susanna's father was a Dr, this could be Medical or Religious. Rev Hugh Hanna was a executor of this Thomas's sister in law in Belfast in the 1860s so I am hoping someone can tie my non Catholic Crawfords-Plunketts into a tree somewhere.
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I haven't ever seen records on a John Armstrong & wife Hannah Matthews in Co. Monaghan -- were they Protestant? Have you searched any of the church registers? My Armstrongs were mainly in Donaghmore and Pomeroy parishes in Co. Tyrone, from the mid-1700s-on, but they married into several Co. Monaghan families (McVitty/McVetty, for one) and we look at all the Armstrongs in the Clones-Currin-Killeevan area of Co. Monaghan, just in case we might find a relative. James and Francis/Frank were common given names in our Armstrong line. I've also looked up Armstrongs in Magheraculmoney parish, Co. Fermanagh, for a friend. Her ancestor Charles Armstrong of Tulnagin died in 1889 at age 81; his son George (born abt 1851) was his estate administrator. Glad to help further if possible.
Annie
I now have a transcript of the 1860 marriage of John and Hannah's daughter, Eliza Armstrong, which records her townland as Carne, Parish of Currin. Although I have found one mention of a Carne schoolhouse in Currin Parish, I have found no Carne townland, so suspect the townland was possibly Carnroe and perhaps known locally as Carn/e. Marriage transcript suggests witnesses were a Bessie Moyna and Susan Armstrong
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I'm researching a number of Co. Monaghan families, including some in Drum (Currin parish) and surrounding area. Surnames: COLVIN/CALVIN, HADDEN/HADDON, RUSK, KELLS, HENRY, ARMSTRONG, JOHNSTON, ALLEN, NORRIS, and others. Are you there in County Monaghan for look-ups? I'm always glad to exchange information.
Annie
I just came across this old post but I wonder if you are still researching the Kells family. My grandmother Sarah was Kells and was from Drum area. She had brothers John, James, Josiah and William. Is this your connection?
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hi Dot 163,
It's a while since I had this family history out,but it is complete.
There is a sarah, and names you mentioned,but if you could give me a date for sarah and a little more info I can get back to you
Cheers
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Hello! My name is Steven Davitt and I'm wondering if anyone has information about Davitt's or Campbell's from the Drum area of Monaghan. The info that I have shows my Great x3 Grandparents, Hugh and Jane (nee Cullivan) Campbell farmed in Drummany from about 1864 to the time of their death in the early 1900's (1908 and 1913 respectively). Before they lived in Drummany, they were in Scotland for an unknown period of time and had a daughter, Jane Campbell. This Jane, I believe, married my Great x2 Grandfather, John Davitt (or Davit/Devitt) about 1890, and the two of them emigrated to New York where they had two sons: John C. Davitt and Charles (my Great Grandfather) Davitt. Their mother Jane tragically died in childbirth giving birth to Charles and the two young boys where sent back to Ireland to live with their Grandparents, Hugh and Jane Campbell, where they lived until they moved back to the States as adults. I would love to hear more about the Campbell's but especially about the Davitt's/Devitt's. I believe that both the Campbell's and the Davitt's were Catholic if that helps at all!
I am new to this site, but I am excited to learn more! Thanks!
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You've included lots of detail in your post but also left out some details you probably already have, so for reference-
1901 census shows 2 grandsons as born in Co. Monaghan as were wife Jane & children Patrick & Lizzie however Hugh is given as born in Cavan. Charles, age 9, is actually shown as 2 years older than John.
www.census.nationalachives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Dawsongrove/Drumanny/1633411
By 1911 widow Jane is living with Patrick, Lizzie and grandson Charles (now shown as born in America).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Dawsongrove/Drumanny/806346
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Some more information which you may not have since you didn't mention that Hugh & Jane were married in Scotland (this is a good thing since Scottish certificates give lots of details and include names of both sets of parents).
Marriage (1865) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYWX-XY6
Jane (1865 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQQL-6HV
Mary (1870 Monaghan) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5HT-ZVV
Catherine (1873)- note what's listed as father's birthplace is probably father's residence
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH1-M3D
Patrick (1873) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCM-Q27
Elizabeth (1877) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNY-5BH
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Thank you so much for replying so quickly! I really appreciate you looking into Hugh and Jane Campbell for me. I did see that they were married in Scotland and that their daughter Jane was born there. I should've including that info in the "what I know" section, thank you though!!
Where I'm running into trouble is finding info on when/where their daughter Jane married John Davitt (or Davit/Devitt), and any info on him whatsoever. Any help or tips there would be greatly appreciated!!
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Marriage of John C. Davitt (1922 Michigan) lists names of both parents- from their son's marriage his full name John Campbell Davitt.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQ9C-77C
9 Oct.1895 "Aurania" arrived Liverpool, England from New York: John Davitt (3), Charles Davitt (1?)
Still haven't found marriage (in N.Y.,Ireland or England), Jane's death (N.Y.) or any other trace of John Davitt. Do you have exact dates of birth for the two sons?
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Wow, thank you so much again for replying so quickly! I did not yet have that information regarding John and Charles' voyage from NY to Liverpool. Do you by chance have a link to that information/who they were travelling with?
The two sons were born in NY City (possibly both in New Rochelle?); John Campbell Davitt (unknown location in NY) on 3 August 1892 and Charles Davitt (in New Rochelle) on 17 Jan 1894. Hopefully that's helpful.
I recently received this information from the County Cavan Genealogy Centre in Cavan town:
"The marriage of John Davit and Jane Camble took place in the Roman Catholic Chapel of Corick, parish of Kilsherdany, County Cavan on 10 September 1890. This church is located between Cavan town and Cootehill town. (Group Registration ID: 2547589, SR District/Reg Area: Cootehill)." I'm not 100% sure that these are the John Davitt and Jane Campbell that I am related to, but the dates line up really well! Any chance that helps?
Again thank you so much for looking into all this for me, you've been such a huge help!
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Unfortunately the online parish records for Kilsherdany aren't recent enough for Jane's marriage.
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0833
As it's late here and tomorrow will be a busy day I'll have to look back at the passenger manifest.
Now that New Rochelle is a distinct possibility it might be easier to find more information. Will ask someone that knows the area and its records better to have a look.
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New York City and New Rochelle are nearby each other, but two different cities in different counties with vital records held in different places. There is a New York City birth index here, but I didn't see any likely matches for your people: http://italiangen.org/records-search/births.php There isn't anything comprehensive online for New Rochelle/Westchester Co. births.
There is information about ordering vital records from New Rochelle here - http://www.newrochelleny.com/index.aspx?NID=749 It says they return the fee if nothing is found, which is better than New York State, which takes your money regardless of results in my experience. This is the information for ordering from New York State if needed - https://www.health.ny.gov/vital_records/genealogy.htm
On www.fultonhistory.com, there are many old New York newspapers, including some from and near New Rochelle. There are some references to a John Davitt, but it wasn't clear if it was your guy or not.
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Hi All,
My mother is related to the Kells Family in Drum.
The 1901 census shows the following.
https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10199-4472941-/james-kells-in-1901-ireland-census?s=418156701&indId=individual-418156701-1500193
Head Isabella Kells 48
Son William Kells 26
Daughter Martha Kells 22
Daughter Eliza Kells 20
Son Thomas Kells 18
Son Josiah Kells 16
Son James Kells 14
Son John Kells 14
William Kells was my Grandfather 1875 -1950. His mother was Isabella Kells 1851-1938. Both are buried in Belfast. If anyone knows Isabella's husbands name or any other members of the family can you let me know?
In relation to the link with the Campbells - Sarah Sharpe (born 1908) from Drum married a Charlie Campbell.
Hope this helps and any information would be gratefully received
Thanks Robert
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Thomas Kells and Isabella Robb ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01km9/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kma/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kmb/
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Dathai,
You are brilliant. Thanks again. That looks exactly correct from the birth certificates
Many thanks again
Robert
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Sarah Jane Kells and Samuel Lancashire 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10407/5789918.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Drum/Dunnaluck/1633909/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Drum/Dunnaluck/806813/
informant on her fathers death 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05872/4664871.pdf
edited to add Will index
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014910/005014910_00121.pdf
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Martha Kells and Joseph Doherty 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10100/5674603.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Candahar_Street/210743/
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That is amazing Dathai.
Really appreciate this. That tracks my Grandfather to Belfast. I don't suppose you could go back another generation on Thomas? Thank you so much
Robert
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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Kells is at home 1911 census 15 th April
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Newbliss/Drumswords/805302/
Elizabeth Kells married Ansley Noble 29th Aug 1911 she gave her address as 33 Candaher Street
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09954/5619304.pdf
checking Martha and Joseph Doherty's address gives enumerators number 12
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Candahar_Street/210743/
however Household return form A page 2 says proper address is 33
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002156837/
Twins Florence and Anna 1913 and William 1915
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kmf/
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You can do some research for yourself by checking BDM REGISTRATIONS in Cootehill as that was the office for Drum....
Birth, Marriage and Death results for Kells
Area - Cootehill
Displaying results 1 - 93 of 93. irishgenealogy
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kme/
Not all Images online yet...
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That is amazing Dathai.
Really appreciate this. That tracks my Grandfather to Belfast. I don't suppose you could go back another generation on Thomas? Thank you so much
Robert
Birth Cert online showing Parents...
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Death of father?
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Thanks Hallmark
Really appreciate your help as well.
I don't think this is the same Francis. I think that this one is the Cavan branch of Kells from Neddiaugh. They are connected but I am not sure what way.
The Francis Kells originally identified as a relative would have been born in 1833. This one would have been born in 1856. Thanks for the suggestion
Appreciate your help
Robert
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This is super Hallmark. Thanks very much.
That is amazing Dathai.
Really appreciate this. That tracks my Grandfather to Belfast. I don't suppose you could go back another generation on Thomas? Thank you so much
Robert
Birth Cert online showing Parents...
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There are also Wills
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/results.jsp?deceasedSurname=Kells&deceasedForename=&beneficiarySurname=&beneficiaryForename=&placeDeath=&probateOrAdministration=&dateDay=&dateMonth=&dateYear=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0
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Thanks again Hallmark. I will get a look later
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Hi All
Thanks very much. I had a look last night. The Thomas Kells whose father I am trying to find would have been born around 1833 not 1883. There is no information in the wills. I am trying to find a link with a Thomas Kells who was born somewhere between 1739 and 1799 (Son of George Kells born 1733 died 1829) who had a son Daniel in 1806 who married Martha Smyth who in turn had a son George William Kells in 1828. George William Kells birth would be about the time Thomas Kells in my timeline was born but I do not have any links apart from the fact that they were living in the same geographical area.
Thanks again for your help
Robert
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Hi All
I got Thomas Kells marriage certificate today from 27th May 1873s. His father is named as William Kells. The residence is named as Drumlane / Dumlena - it is really hard to make out. It is in the Parish of Currin Co. Monaghan. The witness was signed as Matthew Kells which is strange as there are no Matthews that I am aware of in the connection. Does anyone know if there is any way of getting a better copy than the photocopy that was sent from Roscommon? It might help in getting the exact spelling of the location
Thanks
Robert
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What is the Registrar's district??
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Townlands of Currin Parish
https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a1980&cat=BF&pag=-1&ord=ga
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Is this on the top of Cert you got??
If so, then it should be here.... Birth, Marriage and Death results for Kells
Area - Cootehill Displaying results 1 - 93 of 93. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01koj/
I don't see it there!!!
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A Matthew Kells married Sarah Downey in Cootehill 1875
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY3J-F4Q
had two known daughters
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kom/
Margaret Jane 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03032/2111317.pdf
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Thanks very much to both of you.
Really appreciate the feedback and links. I am posting a photo of the marriage certificate. I probably need to go another generation back if I can manage it to make sure that William and Matthew were brothers. However, as Matthew came from Drum it explains the link there. I got a link to William Kells in 4 Derrins in the Parish of Currin Barony Dartree in Griffiths Valuation on 1/05/1858. He had leased a house and land from John Madden.
Looking at that on the map it would explain why they were married in Castleblayney rather than Drum as it was nearer. However, looking at the links it seems that Matthew was from Drum and that is possibly why the family moved to Drumswords
Thanks again for all your help
Robert
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On looking at the dates again it is possible that Matthew was Thomas brother not Uncle
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Derryvally Presbyterian Church and Ballybay 1st Pres are now one Church
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-ballybay-1st-Presby/target79.html
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-ballybay-1st-Presby/target78.html
I put photos up
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
but no Kells. I will have to check to see if I have any on memory stick!!
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Absolutely super.
Many Thanks
Robert
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even Kabristan doesn't have Kells!!
http://kabristan.org.uk/kabristan-indexes/ireland-indexes/31-ireland-county-monaghan-adair-lytle/507-jordan-mina-kelly-bryan
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"....Looking at that on the map it would explain why they were married in Castleblayney...."
?? They didn't marry in Castleblaney!! They married Derryvally!!
as per Cert!!
First Ballybay Presbyterian church is of social significance to the local Presbyterian community, acting as the sole Presbyterian church, particularly following the closure of Derryvally Presbyterian Church and Cahans Presbyterian Church in 1972.
First Ballybay was constructed in 1786 over an 'Irish mile' from Ballybay, as was the law at the time (Second Ballybay was constructed in the town about 1834).
In 1800 a disagreement in the Derryvally congregation concerning the appointment of a new minister resulted in the construction of Derryvally Presbyterian church only two hundred yards to the north-east
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I know. I had a look. There are a lot for Cavan but none for Monaghan.
The ones for Cavan are:-
Kells Elizabeth Ballyconnell Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Evelyne L Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells George Ballyconnell Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells James A Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells James W Drumlane Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells James W T Drumlane Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells John W Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Lucinda Ballyconnell Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Martha Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Mary Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Mary Ballyconnell RC Chapel County Cavan
Kells Richard Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Richard Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Robert Ballyconnell Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Sarah Drumlane Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells William Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells William A Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
Kells Winston R D Templeport Church of Ireland County Cavan
but I don't understand why they suddenly disappear in Monaghan
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Thanks Hallmark,
Really appreciate this. I might get a chance to visit the church at some stage. They married in Derryvalley but for some reason it reads Castleblayney on the registry for the duplicate certificate.
As you can see from the previous posting it appears that the Kells ones are Church of Ireland
Thanks again for your help
Robert
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Isabella's sisters
12th April 1883 John Gibson son, John Gibson, Glen, Ematris m. Annie Robb dau , William Robb, Monintin, Aughnamullen West witnesses Ephraim Robb + Maria Forster
13th Nov 1879 James Foster son, James Foster, Clossagh More, Aughnamullen West, m. Martha Robb dau, William Robb, Monintin, Aughnamullen West witnesses Annie Robb + Robert Anderson
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Thanks Hallmark,
Really appreciate this. I might get a chance to visit the church at some stage. They married in Derryvalley but for some reason it reads Castleblayney on the registry for the duplicate certificate.
As you can see from the previous posting it appears that the Kells ones are Church of Ireland
Thanks again for your help
Robert
Yes, as cars/buses/trains etc came into use some Registry Offices amalgamated so Castleblaney would be where the registers are now!
But one needs to Search using the old locations they used.
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That is really super. Are these records in the old church records? Where would I be able to find a copy of them?
Thanks for your help
Robert
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The Rectory, Ballybay should have them!
I posted the Robbs as they have g/stone in Ballybay and may know about extended family... always good to have knowledge of "related families", their kin would be cousins!!
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Yes. I would be really pleased to meet them. It would be really nice. It was my mothers 50th Wedding anniversary on the 4th of this month and she did not even know that there were relatives with the name of Robb until about a month ago. At some stage I will try to bring her there to see the place
Thanks again for all your help
Robert
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Sorry!
13th Nov 1879 James Foster son, James Foster, Clossagh More, Aughnamullen West, m. Martha Robb dau, William Robb, Monintin, Aughnamullen West witnesses Annie Robb + Robert Anderson
SHOULD BE
13th Nov 1879 SAM Foster son, James Foster, Clossagh More, Aughnamullen West, m. Martha Robb dau, William Robb, Monintin, Aughnamullen West witnesses Annie Robb + Robert Anderson
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No problem. It was great to get this
Thanks
Robert
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Aghabog/Dernaroy/1632654/
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Looks good. Might well be them. I will have a look to see what else I can find to support it
Thanks
Robert
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Looks good. Might well be them. I will have a look to see what else I can find to support it
Thanks
Robert
I think with so few Kells around you might need the cousins!!
If you go to Rectory, also ask where the retired Rector lives....... very nearby!! He's a great Genealogist!!
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Super. I will do.
Thanks
Robert
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Ephraim Robb
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kos/
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Anny/Corraskea/1632940/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Anny/Monintin/805977/
seems to be a clutter of them there
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Anny/Monintin/
note the Millars
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZT-F6P
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Thanks - plenty to work on here to try to get them all connected in. Again many thanks
Robert
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Cathriona, in Clones Library has put Death Index from newspapers online....
https://monaghan.ie/library/index-to-obituaries/
E.G.
Kells, Anne Jane Drumborisk, Drum 14th Mar. 1891 P. 75
Papers at Library!!
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That is super. When I get a chance to get to the area that will be another visit
Thanks again
Robert