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Can someone please help me find the birth of my Grt Grt Grandfather,his name was Thomas Crumlish,he would have been born about 1845 somewhere in Donegal{my mother thinks},he left Donegal at some stage for Scotland and married a lady called Mabel Renwick,i dont know if Mabel was Irish or English.His 1st daughter Annie was born in Berwickshire in 1867.Any help greatly appreciated.Anne. :'(
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Is anyone researching the name Crumlish.As far as i know they came from Donegal.My Grt Grt Grandfather was named Thomas and i think his father was William but might be wrong on William.Thomas and his father were both born in Ireland but they left for Scotland sometime before 1867 where Thomas youngest daughter was born.If anyone can help me with this family i would very much appreciate it.Thankyou Anne. :'(
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I am looking for any Crumlish families from Donegal.My Grt Grt Grt Grandparents came from Ireland,my mother recalls Donegal being mentioned by family members when she was a little girl.This is the only info i have on them.William Crumlish born 1811 Ierland,married Mary? also born in Ierland in 1828.Their son Thomas born Ierland,i think around 1845.At sometime after the birth of Thomas the family left Ierland for Scotland where Thomas raised 4 daughters in Berwick on Tweed.William died aged 61 in 1872 and Mary died aged 48 in 1876.Any info on this family would be greatly appreciated.Thankyou.Anne.
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Hi Anne,
The only help that I can offer is to try the Donegal Ancestry e.mail donances@indigo.ie
We have had help from them after struggling for years but they will charge. We had a preliminary search and they came up with our GGGrandfathers birth his parents marriage and 5 siblings also 2 deaths and much more. It may be worth considering if you are really stuck.
Matty
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Hi Matty,thankyou for your reply.I have infact got someone to do a lookup for me,its a fantastic site.Its called acts of genealogical kindness,its on the England General board ,there is a link to the site and its voluteers from all over the world who have access to certain information,a very kind lady has offerd to help me out and its free.Take a look at it Matty its well worth a look even if you dont use it.Thankyou again.Anne. :)
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Thanks Anne,
I will look at that site I am now searching for more rellies in Ireland (names from the 8 certificates) also one who was just"born in Ireland". I hope you manage to find your Crumlish family.
Matty :)
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64 people in Donegal had the surname Crumlish in the 1901 Census...might be worth asking someone to have a look at that also.
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Hi,thankyou for your reply.I dont think i will get any info from census records as it was way back in 1845.I do have a lovely lady who is going to try to find some info for me,she is on the above mentioned site,i am just waiting to hear from her.Thankyou so much for your reply.Anne.
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Hi Anne
Sorry we haven't been able to help you so far on this one.
Have you made any progress, or do you have any further details that could help someone to find what you are looking for?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Hi Ticker,no luck yet still trying.I have found out that Mabel and Thomas never married even though they had 4 daughters,also that Mabels 1st husband James Schofield died shortly before she met Thomas.Mabel came from Alnwick in Northumberland.I am going to give her side a go soon and see what i can turn up on her family.Regarding Thomas i have his parents death details but nothing for Ireland,never mind i will keep plodding on and maybe i will stumble on something.Merry xmas Ticker.Anne.
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Hi Anne
I've changed the title of this thread to see if that helps to generate a response.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Thankyou Ticker for yout help,you are very kind.Anne. :-*
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Anne
I don’t think that I can help directly in helping you find your ancestor, Thomas Crumlish, but I have come across three people with the same name in my researches. One may be able to provide a clue that could help you.
Today, in Ireland, there are two distinct branches of the family, grouped around Moville and Letterkenny, both in County Donegal. Most of the following information comes from the latter side of the family. It appears well researched, but I have not checked any of the information myself. I’ve seen only patchy evidence of the use of naming patterns in this family, but it is enough to suggest that there may be links going back to previous generations. However, given the lack of records in Inishowen, we’ll probably never know!
Thomas Crumlish (Moville)
My grandmother was born Mary Anne Crimlisk in Moville, County Donegal. In this area the name changes on various documents from Crimlisk to Crumlisk and eventually to the present day usage Crumlish. I am told that her brother was called Thomas Crimlisk and that he lived in the townland of Stroove, at the north-easterly tip of the Inishowen Peninsula. I have no dates, but as my grandmother’s parents did not marry until 1876, it will be too late for your ancestor.
Thomas Crimlisk (Ardara to Leeds)
Thomas Crimlisk was born into the Catholic faith in the village of Ardara, County Donegal in 1804. In 1825, he married 17 year old Catherine McDevitt and in the same year enlisted in the Coastguard Service in Killybegs. In June 1825 he was posted to Dunaff Head, guarding the entrance to Lough Swilly. As five years was the maximum length of posting, to prevent the Coastguards getting too friendly with smugglers, he moved again in 1830, his time to Dunkeehan, County Mayo. In the next six years the family moved twice more – to Dulough, County Mayo and Claggan, County Galway.
In 1838, Thomas left Ireland, being posted to Rottingdean, Sussex on the French facing coast of southern England. The tour of duty on this coast lasted only fifteen months, because of the high level of smuggling across the Channel. The following year the Crimlisks moved again, this time to Flamborough on the east coast of Yorkshire.
The fifth and last son of the family was born at Flamborough on 10th August 1841 and was named Thomas. The birth was registered at Bridlington by his mother Catherine who, evidently, was unable to write since instead of a signature she made her mark in the form of a cross. On this birth certificate the occupation of the father is given as 'Preventative Service'. The baptism of Thomas took place in St. Peter's Church, Scarborough, on the 6th September 1841 and the godmother was Mary McDEVITT.
In 1842 the family moved to Filey, staying there for nine years until they returned again to Flamborough. In 1857 Thomas retired. He died on 14th March 1886 from chronic Bronchitis at 27 Union Street, Leeds, the home of his son-in law William Day.
I have a copy of a photograph of four of Thomas' sons, James, John, Francis and Thomas if you would like a scan. It was reproduced in "Patterns for Guernseys, Jerseys and Arrans" by Gladys Thompson (1969: Batford - London: Dover Publications Inc. New York) ISBN: 0-486-22703-0.
Thomas Crimlisk (Flamborough to Sheffield)
I know little about his son, Thomas, except that he was born in Flamborough, Yorkshire on 10 August 1841, and died on 24 October 1922 in Ecclesfield, Sheffield, Yorkshire. He had married Elizabeth Jenkinson (1841-1916)
I hope that something in this rather lengthy posting will be of some help to you. If you want (a little) more information about the family, please let me know.
Ben
http://www.benpalmer.co.uk/movillerecords.htm
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Hi Ben,thankyou so much for your reply i havent had much response to this query i think its because its not a well searched name.I found out that Thomas parents were William and Mary unknown.I am going to have a look on Scotlands people and see what i can find there as Berwick did at one time come under Scotland.I will let you know what happens and thankyou for the link to the Donegal web site i will also have a look at that as there is quite a few Irish names in my collection now.Thankyou Ben.Anne.
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i am posting this info in the hope it may help you track back
CRUMLISH, Mary Anne Bir 1867 Irel Done
Fa: Daniel CRUMLISH
Mo: Anne CUMLISH
CRUMLISH, Thomas Bir 1867 Irel Done
Fa: Thomas CRUMLISH
Mo: Mary MC BREARTY
CRUMLISH, Patrick Bir 1868 Irel Done
Fa: Thomas CRUMLISH
Mo: Mary MC BREARTY
CRUMLISH, Mary Bir 1871 Irel Done
Fa: Patrick CRUMLISH
Mo: Mary MC LAUGHLIN
CRUMLISH, Grace Bir 1872 Irel Done
Fa: Patrick CRUMLISH
Mo: Anne MCLAUGHLIN
CRUMLISH, Patrick Bir 1872 Irel Done
Fa: Patrick Crumlish
Mo: Rosa Mc Collum
if you want more deyails on any of the above get back to me
audrey
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Hi Audrey,thankyou so much for your help.The problem is my Crumlish were before 1850 and trying to find records that far back is near enough impossible because as you know an awful lot got destroyed or lost through the wars in Ireland,its such a shame as i have recently found quite a few Irish ancestors of which some lived and died in Ireland and others came to Scotland,i would have loved to find their origins.Just out of curiosities sake Audrey,would you know where the hand loom weaving factories were as nearly all of them were hand loom weavers.Anyway Audrey thankyou.Anne.
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Ann
I was in Ireland just two weeks ago my family were also growers and weavers.I went to the linen museum in Lisburn it was quite amazing I bought a book there called
FLAX to FABRIC the story of Irish Linen I had a wonderfull conversation with the lady there who told me the loom's were in the homes of the families I took some photos there was a chap weaving when I was there .The lady also told me weavers had there own stamp and would stamp their linen some of it can still be traced back to the weaver
audrey
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Hi Audrey,thats fantastic to think they done the weaving in their homes and to think there may be fabric around today that might still have their mark on it,i wish i had been with you.One day i will go to Ireland and do some research myself on my names,i have at least 10 now.I can remember telling my Uncle Tom on his 80th birthday 2 years ago{he is scottish}that i had found that some of his ancestors were Irish,{no offence to anyone Irish reading this}and his reply was theres no bloody Irish in my family.As i said he a staunch Scotsman through and through and still lives in the past,it just goes to show that no one really knows where they are from till they start doing their family tree,now i know i have Irish blood in my veins i can honestly say i am proud of it.
My dad is Scottish and my mother an English catholic,when my dad told his dad that him and mam were going to get married he went berserk and told him he would never speak to him again,needless to say mam and dad went ahead with the marriage and Grandad died soon after they married so i never met him and my dad never made peace with him.
On my mams side my Grt Grt Grandfather John Morrison was born on the Isle of Lewis and when he told his father he was marrying an Irish Catholic John was kicked of Lewis and banned from ever returning his family never spoke to him again and he was taken out of his fathers will.
I must seem like i am rabbiting on a bit but isnt it strange how thing were in those days,it must have been hard if you fell in love with someone who wasnt of your faith or nationality.Anyway Audrey sorry for going on a bit i just think its facinating suff.Thankyou again Audrey.Anne.
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Ann
I undsterstand all you say I have a similar situation in my own family .I went to Ireland with an open mind and came home with truly wonderfull memories of Ireland and the people I met .I went to Ireland knowing no one at all and came back with memories I will keep for ever in fact I am thinking of another visit very soon my McKnight family also originated in Ireland and some of them in fact may have returned there .I also have Irish on my mothers side but they were R C and have done very little with that side of the family
audrey
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I think its nice to have those memories and the Irish i think are one of the friendliest countrys you could have,i was in Londonderry for 2 years with my husband when he was in the army and i had an Irish friend there who married a soldier,sadly i have tried in vain to find her but like you say they are lovely people.Thanks again Audrey.Anne.
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I think its nice to have those memories and the Irish i think are one of the friendliest countrys you could have,i was in Londonderry for 2 years with my husband when he was in the army and i had an Irish friend there who married a soldier,sadly i have tried in vain to find her but like you say they are lovely people.Thanks again Audrey.Anne.
Ann
my son in law is in the army he is a Staff seargent I could ask him to find her for you I see you are from my part of the world
audrey
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Hi Audrey,its very kind of you but they are not in the Army any more,but i will give you the details anyway.I met her when my husband was stationed at Kirton Linsey Lincolnshire in 1970--71 she came from the Falls Road Belfast and her name was Aleish,i think i have spelt that right,her husband was a cook in the Army and the battalion was 1st Regiment of Fusiliers his name was Paul,they had a son named Paul and i cant for the life of me remember her married name,i have no idea what her maiden name was either.
When we left Lincoln we went to Ireland we ended up at Londonderry and she and Paul went to Ballymena it was then i lost touch with her,i have tried Friends reunited but got nothing there either it was such a long time ago she could be anywhere now.
Its very kind of you to offer but like i say its 30 odd years ago but its worth a go anyway.Thankyou Audrey.Anne.
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Ann
your best bet is Anthony he lives Belfast and he is great I will direct him to your message
audrey
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Hiya Anne,
I looked at this site www.failteromhat.com and have the following..
I wonder if the William here is the guy you are seeking?
Griffiths Valuation of Ireland, Co. Donegal. 1857
William Crumlish, Monclink, Raymoghy, Donegal
Daniel Crumlish, Gortnaskea, Fahan Upper, Donegal
John Crumlish, Drummay, All Saints, Donegal
All the Best, Chris
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Hi Christopher,thankyou so much for your reply.He could be my William,i know his wifes name was Mary,maiden name unknown,i also know that his son Thomas had one brother unknown but a sister named Mary.I have the 1891 census for Hutchinstontown in Glasgow for a John Crumlish born Ireland with his wife Mary also born Ireland he was 36,all the children were born Glasgow.In the 1881 census for Berwick i have Thomas age 36 wife Mary born Alnwick Northumberland and their children all born Berwick.1851 census for Berwick there is a Cathrine Crumlish no age but head of the family with 2 others possibly sons,John and Thomas.Then this one who i think is my William for 153 Chapel Street Berwick
William Crumlish age 53 born Ireland,Wife Mary age 39 born Ireland,no family with them and thats 18711881 census for Lanarkshire there is an Ellen Crumlish age 58 born Ireland,Mary Crumlish age 59 born Ireland James Crumlish 24 born Dunbartonshire Joseph Crumlish age 17 born Dunbartonshire,that one is 1881,it doesnt say what relation they are to each other but i would say the 2 women are sisters and the 2 men are sons to one of the women.Its very hard doing research in Ireland.I have tried Scotlands people for Death Certificates but cant seem to find anything.Anyway Christopher thankyou again for your help.Anne.
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Hiya Anne,
These are links to a few of your threads ...
CRUMLISH, All (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,18633.msg67861.html#msg67861)
my elusive ancestors HELP (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101788.msg1166979.html#msg1166979)
My Irish Ancestors,help needed. (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,117794.msg727716.html#msg727716)
trying again THOMAS & (WILLIAM?) CRUMLISH (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,7157.msg746036.html#msg746036)
You may be glad to hear no one of this name appears on the Ireland-Australia transportation database :D
No one named Crumlish signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912.
Christopher
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Hi Christopher,thankyou fro replying.I know thomas died in Berwick on Tweed in 1913 he left Ireland when he was about 10 years old,thats all i have for him at the moment.I am going to get his death certificate that way i will find his parents and where in Ireland he came from.I think his father was William Crumlish he also died in Berwick.Thankyou for the reply.Anne.
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Hi Anne, my great grandfather was William Crumlish, he came to Glasgow around the 1870's 1880's he came with his wife Anne but there has always been a story that he had run away with her from Inishowen, as she was very young around 15 or 16, they had four daughters then my grandfather Thomas Crumlish who was born around 1892 he married my grandmother Margaret McSally, she has her first child two weeks after her 16th birthday and her last at 45, 12 children in total, 7 sons and 5 daughters. As you can imagine there is a lot of Crumlish descendants. My mother Was Mary Crumlish.
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Hi Anne,
My Great Grandfather was William Crumlish( he was a coal Carter)who was born in inneshowen., his "wife was called Anne., there was a story that they weren't married and they had ran away and came to Glasgow, they had four daughters then my grandfather Thomas born in 1895, on the 1910 census it mentioned Anne Crumlish who lived with her son John who was a barber, they lived in Castle Street, Glasgow.
Thomas married my Grandmother Margaret McSally ( she was only 16) they went on to have 12 children, 7 sons and 5 daughters, my Mum Mary was one of the daughters. I hope this helps. Margareat Cowan