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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: esdel on Wednesday 17 November 10 14:44 GMT (UK)
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Can it be true that of all these Turnbull brothers in Durham not one had a family?
The eight Turnbull brothers born to Thomas and Sarah are
John 1771
Ralph 1776
Thomas 1777
George 1780
Luke 1781
Robert 1783
Thomas 1787
Robert 1792
all born at Chester le Street
Of those 8 only Luke sems to have married!
Many thanks for any children you can find
esdel
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With the common last name Turnbull and such common first names-John Ralph, Thomas, George, and William, I am not sure how you would know if they were family or not. There are at least two Turnbulls that were born in the 1770's in Chester le Street in the 1851 census. Getting much farther than that - they are in their 70-80's in 1851.
There is a George Turnbull born about 1781 Chester le Street HO107/2394 folio 225 page 2, with a wife Mary and two sons - John age 30 and Robert age 29.
There is a John Turnbull, widower, born about 1772, Chester le Street with his daughter Bridget Robson (widow) and her children HO107/2394 folio 538 page 34.
The problem is that they would have been married before 1800 most likely, parent's names were not mentioned in the marriages and those grandchildren may have married before 1837--again parents not mentioned. Only Luke who has a more unusual name.
Janis
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Many thanks Janis
I have added that to my notes and it may indeed provide the vital link later on
esdel
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Hello,
Not sure if there is any connection to my TURNBULLs?
I have Thomas TURNBULL b. 2 September 1781 Whelplitch Chester le Street.
Possible parents: George TURNBULL and Ann (maiden name unknown?)
Thomas TURNBULL married Sarah Dickinson 2 March 1808, Penshaw Register, married by banns, witnesses Wendless Dopple, Robert Mitcheson
Sarah Dickinson b. circa 1786? Hauston?, County Durham,
Thomas died December 1835, Houghton burial 24 December 1835 age 53
SPOUSE
Sarah Dickinson later married John Maddison in 1842, lived Shiney Row, Penshaw
Ref: census 1841/51 died unknown. John Maddison b. 9 Jul 1786 Stanhope Durham.
Unaware of any other siblings of Thomas, but would love to find some?
Regards,
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Hello
I have several hundred Turnbull, including
George who married Ann
Children were
Thomas b 1781 chr 2 Sep 1781 Chester le Street
George b 1789 chr 4 Oct 1789 Chester le Street
Mary b 1784 chr 14 Mar 1784 Chester le St. P000581
George who married Ann Sanders on 17 Oct 1758
at Chester le Street M000681
George who married Ann Henderson on 18 Nov 1764 at Hexham
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Hi Esdel,
Thankyou, this is most interesting. Whoever would have thought someone could make sense of all these Turnbulls? That must have taken an enormous amount of time!
OK, well, I think I can lay claim to Thomas b. 1781 chr. 2 Sep 1781 CLS. Thomas had at least one Daughter – Mary Ann Turnbull.
Mary Ann Turnbull b. circa 1811 Birtley, Durham County UK, d. March 1885 Sandhurst, Victoria Australia. bur. Bendigo cemetery 28 March 1885.
She married Jonathan COOK, April 16 1831, Ref: Penshaw Register.
Jonathan COOK was born circa 1810–13 New Lambton, (near Houghton Le Spring) Durham County d. 8 December 1875 Sandhurst VIC Australia, bur. 10 December, Bendigo Cemetery. Father Jonathan COOK.
Interesting that there are other siblings of Thomas Turnbull ie. Mary b. 1784; and George b 1789.
Possibly George who married Anne Henderson are the parents, based on the dates for marriage ie. 1764, as the other one (Ann Sanders) is earlier again. So frustrating not to know for sure.
Forgive my ignorance, are these details from IGI?
Cheers,
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Well I have 17 Mary Ann Turnbull (Oh if only they had called her Zaccharia!)
Not an 1811 one nor one who married Jonathan Cook
A half-empty glass is half full
At least you have some names to check up on!
Yes my main sources are IGI and the County Parish Records
Good luck and let me know what you discover.
My maternal Grandmother's Mother was Jane Turnbull b 6 Feb 1843, dau of John who married Jane Rochester on 5 Nov 1827 at Jarrow P004292
They had 6 children:-
John 1829
Joseph 1832
Edward 1834
Margaret 1836
William 1840
Jane 1843 who married a Tailor named Thomas Newby and had 3 daughters info from IGI :-
Tailor Info from IGI Dwelling 6 Cornwall St, Bishopwearmouth, Durham Family History Library Film1342200 Public Records Office ReferenceRG11 Piece / Folio4990 / 83 Page Number69 Thomas NEWBY Head M Male 34 Washington, Durham
Tailor Primitive L Preacher
Jane NEWBY Wife 38 South Shields, Durham Isabella J.R. NEWBY Daur 8 Sunderland, Durham
Scholar Emma R. NEWBY 5 Sland, Scholar Margaret H NEWBY Daur 3 Sland, Durham, En gland
Revised birth date abt 1850 and name Turnbull from marriage and birth info in LDS Family Search IGI
1861 census age 18 at 57 Wapping St, South Shields
John head 62
Jane wife 59
Edward son 27
Jane dau 18
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Thanks Esdel,
Funny, I do have a Zachariah in another branch of the family.
Yes Turnbull, Cook etc, common as Smith, Brown and Jones at this point in history. Still, the name Turnbull has come down through the Cook family until relatively recently (well, late last century). There was obviously some reference which made them keep it?
I'll certainly keep you in the loop. The COOKs were all miners, as were I suspect the Turnbulls. We were quite lucky with the Cooks, there are generations of them all baptised/buried at St Michaels HLS, so it was very easy to track them. I managed to trace many using the IGI Pilot Search Durham Bishop's Transcripts, which I have since realised has been taken down from the web. It was a fantastic resource, original scans of the transcripts all freely available.
Cheers, and thankyou again for these new names, very exciting.
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Hello again,
Just wondering if you have this one? We seem to think that this George and Ann may be a better fit in regard to birth year for Thomas ie. 1781.
George Turnbull b. C1751 d. 20 Jan 1810 Wilson's Row,
Houghton LS buried 22 Jan 1810 HLS.
Married Ann Morrison 24 Jul 1779 HLS.
Apparently there is also a burial for Mary Turnbull 13 Jul 1772 Chester LS residing Birtley.
Cheers,
Hello
I have several hundred Turnbull, including
George who married Ann
Children were
Thomas b 1781 chr 2 Sep 1781 Chester le Street
George b 1789 chr 4 Oct 1789 Chester le Street
Mary b 1784 chr 14 Mar 1784 Chester le St. P000581
George who married Ann Sanders on 17 Oct 1758
at Chester le Street M000681
George who married Ann Henderson on 18 Nov 1764 at Hexham
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Hello again,
Just wondering if you have this one? We seem to think that this George and Ann may be a better fit in regard to birth year for Thomas ie. 1781.
George Turnbull b. C1751 d. 20 Jan 1810 Wilson's Row,
Houghton LS buried 22 Jan 1810 HLS.
Married Ann Morrison 24 Jul 1779 HLS.
Apparently there is also a burial for Mary Turnbull 13 Jul 1772 Chester LS residing Birtley.
Cheers,
Well I do have about 60 George Turnbull.
But no Ann Marrison - only a Mary Morrison who married Edward Turnbull in 1812 and a John Poole Morrison b 1899
The parents of
Thomas Turnbull b1781 who married Sarah Dickinson
George Turnbull b 1789 Chester le Street
Mary Turnbull b 1784
according to me are George Turnbull and Ann (unknown nee)
None of my many Mary Turnbull know when they died or where buried.
Is is Houghton le Spring yet Chester le Street? Bit confusing, eh?
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Hello again,
Back to my original predicament, – too many Turnbulls.
Chester le Street and Houghton le Spring are Parishes next to each other on the map. I have a good copy of one if you'd like me to send it to you? The Turnbull family seem to have been living in'around both locations. I assume it was to do with where they found work as miners? I think they (HLS and CLS) are Parishes, within the county of Durham?
Have you ever heard of Whelplitch, Chester le Street? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Of course many of these places have since disappeared due to mining activities etc.
Cheers,
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Yes, both are parishes in County Durham
Durham is the biggest town in County Durham
Sorry, never heard of Whelplitch - until you mentioned it.
I tried Ancient Whelplitch (which often works) but nothing.
Maybe it is just terrible handwriting on some document!
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Have you ever heard of Whelplitch, Chester le Street? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Of course many of these places have since disappeared due to mining activities etc.
Sorry, never heard of Whelplitch - until you mentioned it.
I tried Ancient Whelplitch (which often works) but nothing.
Maybe it is just terrible handwriting on some document!
There was a thread on this very topic earlier this year. As a place-name it definitely turns up from time to time in the Chester le Street parish records, but no-one seems to be able to work out exactly where it was.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,531246.msg3856454.html#msg3856454
I think they (HLS and CLS) are Parishes, within the county of Durham?
Yes they are - you can see locations, adjoining parishes and much other useful information about them on the Durham Record Office place-name index. http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces
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I doubt it. Chester le Street - three miles south on the side of the old A1 at Plawsworth lived the late Father of John Turnbull - Alistair Turnbull. John Turnbull is with Youngs at Hexham. Alistairs Father was briefly in partnership with my Grandfather until his untimely passing in 1924. Turnbull Parkinson and Nicholson was an amalgamation of Auction Marts around Durham. Indeed Grandfather met his match in the form of a furniture removal lorry at the crossing of the A1 at Pity Me, - not quite equal when 'tilting' with a motor bike. He was on his way from Durham Auction to one of his own - either Lanchester or Tow Law. Suggest contact John Turnbull, who shouldn't take much finding. Alistairs father must have been born around 1900.