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Hi there
looking for any info on my ancestors - James Crawford, John Crawford 1750 -? married Miss Gamble, Robert Crawford 1780 - 1834 married Rose McElheron (daughter of Duncan), Charles Crawford 1820 - 1891 married Mary Jane McKay
Apparently may be buried in Clough - would it be the old ruined church?
Any info or leads gratefully received!
Many thanks
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Hi,
Charles Crawford married Mary Jane McCay (sic) in Broughshane 1st Presbyterian Church, Racavan, Ballymena on 15 Nov 1855. Thier fathers were Robert Crawford and James McCay. Other marriages are before civil registration started, 1845 for marriages and 1864 for births and deaths.
Regards
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Thanks for that, thought that may be the case
Cheers
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There are some Crawfords in Clough burials here-
www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
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Would you believe i am sitting reading a transcript about these very people trying to figure out if they are related to my line of Crawfords.
What are you after? If i can be of help i'll do my best. There's quite a lot on this booklet but it was typed in the 60s or 70s by looks of it and isnt on a pc file to my knowledge.
By the way, if you are able to connect the Racavan Crawfords to my Clough Crawfords i'll be delighted!
DC
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Hi there
The info I have is James Crawford, who moved to Ireland from Scotland
John Crawford 1750 - who married a Miss Gamble
Robert Crawford 1780 - 18/1/1834 married Rose McElheron and was a farmer
Charles Crawford 1820 - 15/8/1891 who married Mary Jane McKay and was a farmer in Brecamph, parish of Skerry
and Jane Carsen Crawford 15/6/1867 - 11/12/1948 who moved to NZ and married a Redmond
I've attached a couple of photos, one of Charles and Mary Jane Crawford, and the other is Jane CarsenCrawfords siblings, she had already moved to New Zealand. Sorry not sure who is who in that photo
I don't have any other documents relating to the family
Hopefully this may tie in with what you have!
All the best for the festive season
Thanks and cheers
Alan
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Hi i havent heard of Brecamph before. Are you sure it isnt Inshamph? This is where my McCay/McKay line are from and i'm sure that Mary Jane McKay and Charles Crawford must tie into my lines somehow...knowing the family history in this area they all intermarried (presumably to keep the land in the same families)
I'll transcribe the first few paragraphs of what i have:
THE CRAWFORD FAMILY TREE
This booklet offers to you, the reader, as much information as it has been possible to glean concerning Robert Crawford, his wife Rose McElheron and their descendants over 6 generations. Narratives of the Crawford family are not readily available, however, thanks to the research efforts of Jeff Hazeltine, and the good memory of John Hamilton Crawford of Antrim, we have a clear record of the movements of this family prior to their dispersal to the "four corners" of the globe.
Apart from Gamble's endeavours in Ohio and Michigan, U.S.A. we can convey little of the long voyages, hardships and pioneering spirit which established Crawfords so thoroughly in U.S.A., Canada, Australia and New Zealand, as well as those remaining in Northern Ireland, over the ensuing two centuries.
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There are family trees towards the back of the document and several photocopied photos.
If it's of interest then i can look into scanning it as i'm not going to transcribe it all!!!
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actually the 2nd of the photos you've posted is one of those i have and i have a seating plan for it
Back row (L - R): William George, Lizzie Gillan, James, Martha Hall, Charles
Front Row (L - R): John Hamilton, Rosetta Dunlop, Mary Gordon, Robert
Absent: Jane Redmond, Mary Kidd
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Thanks for that
I'm pretty sure I have seen a copy of that booklet, I was in touch with (I seem to recall) Jeff Hazeltine several years ago - in fact I'm pretty sure that is where I got my info from!
I'll look further into the Brecamph/Inshamph location and get back to you if I discover anything concrete
Many thanks again
Cheers
Alan
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Hi,
The townland name is INSHAMPH but it is in the parish of Dunaghy. There is a townland of BRECKAGH in the parish of Skerry.
Regards
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After re-reading your post I thought you might be interested to know that the 2 oldest Crawford graves I know of there are for a James Crawford of omerbane (a townland or parish near clough) and a john Crawford of the colliery. Both headstones are now gone thru wear or covered by larger gravestones.
I'd love to know if they're for yours and if they link to my crawfords.
Regards. David
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David
They possibly could be, I have a James Crawford then his son a John Crawford who was born in 1750
I don't suppose you have a photo of those gravestones, or know what was written on them?
Looking back on their descendants I see John had a son Robert 1780 - 1834 who married Rose McElheron, they had a son Charles 1820 - 1891 who married Mary Jane McKay, both of whom are buried in the Clough cemetary, so I would say there must of been a tie in there somewhere!
Cheers
Alan
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If you go to the Ballymena museum website they have a section under genealogy which allows you to search the local headstone inscriptions and I believe they're on there.
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See here:
http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
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hi
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hi
robert crawford and family moved from clough at some time to farm at breckagh townland in the early 18??. they rent at first but were able to buy out part of the land and farm it .the farm is called "Soarns" after the hill behind the house.Charles Crawford b 1820 / Mary Jane McKAY farmed the land after this .Is older brothers and sisters (Gamble etc.) had gone america. Charles b 1869/Mary Strahan
McCullough farmed next with his two brothers. the farm had been left to all three and was divided up.
Charles bought one of his brother parts and brother moved away. the third part was sold in the 1950's and they moved to Canada.Charles died in 1944 and the farm was left to his sons daniel and charles..They all in clough graveyard.
a few other notes one of the posts ask about" BOGSTOWN" this is the townland next to Breckagh townland.
I have a few photos of the headstone at clough before it became to bad to read, it was taken in 1972 Mary Strahan mc cullough was Charles Crawford b.1869 wife.
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HI
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MARY STRAHAN MC CULLOUGH 1972 WIFE OF CHARLES CRAWFORD B.1869
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Great info and especially the photos!
I think I can make out that James died 1782 Dec, aged 68 and was from Omebrane.
Really appreciate all of this!
Cheers
Alan
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hi KDrive,
AGHADOWEY on page 2 as a link to the braid site .If you put crawford and clough graveyard into the Ancestor search box , James Crawford is the first one on the list.It said the age was 58 i've looked at the photo it's only a 3x3 photo hard to make out but i think it is 58.Also on the list if you go down about half way you see (Soarns) Daniel and Charles.
On the photo you posted of the brothers and sisters. Charles is back right he died in 1944,his wife is mary strahan mc cullough died 1972 and is the photo I sent.
elizabeth crawford (lizzie)second in on left at back was a missionary in China for about 40 years .In the second world war she was held in a japanese camp in Shanghai.She died 1950 buried in Troon
Scotland.Her husband William was scottish and they met in china he was a missionary too.
Going back to the other photo you posted Charles b.1820 & Mary Jane McKay.His brothers had gone to ohio/michigan area. His sister Mary McIlwain had gone to the same area too,not sure of dates or who went first but it must have been in the 1840/50s.The only other thing i know about Mary is her son Robert McIlwain joined the Union army in 1861.he was in the 11th Michigan Inf. E company.He was killed on the 31th of Dec 1862 at The Battle of Stone's River. Murfreeboro Tennessee.
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I think you've confused me with another poster? I did put up (several times) link to Braid site but didn't post pictures and am not researching the Crawfords.
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Hi, I am related to Robert Crawford of Clough, died 18/1/1834, he is buried alongside his wife Rose and son John, are you of the same family, I have a copy of the will of John Crawford the son
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Would there, by chance, be anyone with Crawford history in the Clough/Skerry/Braid areas have a connection to the PAUL family who lived in the same area?
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Old post I know, but I thought this was relevant. For some reason John D’Alton (see below) has James Crawford’s death as 1657, the Braid site has 17[70] and the photo looks like 1782…?
Gentleman’s Magazine, June 1847
https://archive.org/details/gentlemansmagaz05unkngoog/page/n612
Manuscript Compilations for “Histories of the Counties of Ireland” No. I – County of Antrim
(John D’Alton)
…To resume the manuscript. “The castle and village of Clough are on every side surrounded by forts, and the parish bounded by ever picturesque trout streams. The church of that parish (Dunaghy) stands close to Clough, on very elevated ground. It is a small edifice of unpretending architecture, but presents some monuments worthy of note. One of these is commemorative of James Crawford, of Omernan, who died 15th December (semble) 1657, and other members of this Scotch clan. Their stone has the ensigns armorial and the motto. There is also a tolerably well executed monument to Mr. Hamilton, of Mount Hamilton; a slab to Mr. Samuel MacQuorn, of Ballyreigh, obit. 1738; another to Ann, daughter of David Wallyes, of Malin, and wife to the Rev. Joseph Douglas of Clough, obit. 1770. In the churchyard are vaults and inclosures for the MacNaghtens; for Captain Hugh Boyd and his descendants; to James Dunwoodies, obit. 1703, and to his family; to Alexander Spear, of Rosedermot, obit. 1764; to Samuel Cupples, of Killyree, obit. 1771, and to his family; monuments to Thomas Alexander, obit. 1712; to James Campbell, obit. 1719; to John Crawford, of Colliery Office (Ballycastle), obit. 1769; to William Edmundstone, of Dunbought, obit. 1770; to the Rev. William Maine (who died in 1816, having been during sixty years rector of this parish) and to his family; to James MacKean, obit. 1772…”
D’Alton wrote “semble” in the date which I think means he was unsure about something. Was the date difficult to read in the 1840s and has since been (incorrectly) re-carved?
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Would there, by chance, be anyone with Crawford history in the Clough/Skerry/Braid areas have a connection to the PAUL family who lived in the same area?
To be more specific, I would be interested in knowing more about Rose McElheron married to Robert Crawford. Did she have a sister named Mary? I have a Mary McHaron (which is, I believe, actually McElheron) married to a Moses Paul in the Knockanully area of Skerry in the early 1800's- maybe 1820ish.
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I've also just come upon this old thread. I started out with my Crawfords in Grantown and Elgin in Scotland, however recently I've discovered that my GGGGrandfather Robert Crawford owned three parcels of land near Ballymena and a home in Magherafelt. I'm almost certain that he inherited the land, as my GGgrandfather, James Crawford when he married in Geelong, Victoria stated that his father was a "marine or mariner".
Robert Crawford was born in Elgin, Scotland and married Mary Gibson there before moving to Antrim when they were around 21 years old in 1820. His father was Samuel Crawford who's father was George Crawford, the bleacher at Grantown, Scotland. The Grantown museum staff believed that George Crawford had been recruited to the town when they began a linen industry in the mid 1700's. They thought perhaps Ireland.
The fact that Robert went from being a marine/mariner in 1855 to a land owner when he died in 1869 suggested he might have inherited the land. He named his sons James, Robert and John Hamilton and. James was the only one to have a family and he names a son John Hamilton and that has continued to today with John Hamilton Crawford in Australia, Scotland and the U.S. all being descendants from James.
While I have located a John Hamilton Crawford who lived in the U.S. and is also a descendant of Crawfords from Ballymena, I have not made any contact with descendants that can assist in making the connection with my family.
Does this generate any thoughts?
Gavin