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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: fastfreddie on Thursday 25 November 10 10:59 GMT (UK)
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I have traced my family back to a Thomas Liggett, a protestant, in Ballynagreagh Townland and by a good piece of fortune I found his marriage cert (he married Ellen Murphy in Banbridge in 1855, interestingly in a Civil Marriage!) - hence I know the name of his father.
Thomas was born about 1814, however I cannot confirm his birth date nor can I locate anything more about his father (Samuel).
Obviously I am looking back before Civil Registrations began so I then turned to Parish Records. Sadly CI Acton and CI Clare records have been destroyed - Ballymore Parish records do survive but I cannot clearly identify any ancestors in them. During that part of the search I found a number of Liggetts in Tullyhugh Townland and while I feel it is possible that this is all part of a greater family - I cannot find clear proof of a direct relationship
My question is to those that have a much greater knowledge and experience of records in Ireland - Do I now just admit that I have now reached the end of my search on this line or do I have one more - remote - possibility left?
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Boston Passengers list 1820-1943
Mary Alice Liggett; 25, Armagh
Arrived; 1907
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Canada Soldiers of 1st WW 1914-1918
William Liggett;
b. 11/5/1887; single, Portadown, gardiner
Ftr; A. Liggett; 55, Obin st , Portadown
Attestation; 1914
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Joshua Liggett;
b. 16/4/1882, Breagh, Portadown
d. 21/3/1968; Brook hosp, Toronto, Canada
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William George Liggett;
b. 24/5/1888, Portadown
d. 15/5/1915
Killed in WW1 in France.
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Ontario Canada marriages 1801-1920
Mary Kilpatrick; 45, b. Durham
spouse; John Liggett, 48, Armagh
Ftr; John Liggett
Mtr; Sarah
Marriage; 1880
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George Liggett; 1830, Armagh
d. 12/5/1894 Ontario
spouse; Amy Dobney
b. 17/4/1839 Kent
d. 6/10/1922
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James M Liggett; 12/3/1812 Armagh. d. 29/9/1899 Nebraska
spouse; Jane Mary Mc Carty
spouse; Julia Buchaner
Ftr; Robert Liggett
Mtr; Sarah
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www.liggettfamily.org
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There is also a Liggett forum on facebook, but as I don't use facebook, perhaps you might have a search.
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Jack
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Hi fastfreddie,
Further to Jack’s post here are a few more references:
Index to the Tithe Applotmant Books, 1823 - 1838
Liggett, George - Parish of Seagoe, Townland of Clanrolla (1834)
Liggett, John - Parish of Loughgilly, Townland of Ballainen (1834)
Liggit, Wm. - Parish of Seagoe, Townland of Drumgor (1834)
Liggott, George - Parish of Drumcree, Townland of Breagh West (1828)
Liggott, John - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Tullyhugh (1830)
Liggott, Robert - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Tullyhugh (1830)
Liggott, Samuel - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Glasdruman (1830)
Griffiths Valuation, 1847 - 1864
Liggett, Thomas - Parish of Armagh, Townland of Corporation
Liggett, Thomas - Parish of Newry, Town of Newry
Legget, John - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Aghantaraghan
Legget, Thomas - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Ballynagreagh
Ligget, Robert - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Ballyreagh
Ligget, Charles - Parish of Creggan, Town of Crossmaglen
Leggett, John - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Mullaghglass
Leggett, Thomas - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Tullyhugh
Leggett, Samuel - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Tullyhugh
Leggett, John - Parish of Ballymore, Townland of Tullyhugh
Leggett, Susanna - Parish of Drumcree, Town of Porta
Leggett, Saunders - Parish of Drumcree, Townland of Drummenagh
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
Bassett’s Book of County Armagh 1888
Farmers & Residents:
Leggett, Sl., Tullyhugh
Leggett, - Aghantaraghan
Liggett, Thos., Ballynagreagh
Liggett, John, Mullaghglass
Cheers,
Janet.
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Hi there
I have photos of some of the Liggett family from around Loughgilly or Crankey area of Co Armagh. My grandfathers family was related in some way to them but I'm not that far back yet. If you would like them sent to you let me know. These would have been from around the turn of the 20th century.
Amanda
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Amanda
sorry for the slow reply - but your email has made me think about some other possibilities in the Loughgilly area - which I had not considered before. But I am really not doing very well - the last group of the family where I can find hard facts, like BMD data, are the sons of Thomas Liggett. I don't think I am going to find birth data on Thomas ( of course I could get a huge slice of good luck!) - so now I am trying to identify his siblings. I think I have found an elder brother - however, he emigrated to Australia, but I am sure there are others in that family - so who was your grandfathers Dad? Can we trace him back to part of the greater family??
Dermot
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My grandfathers family were all McCammons from Crankey but on some of the older photos that I have there are several Liggett family members. I know they are related somehow to my family but haven't figured it out yet. I will ask my mum or uncle if they know how the Liggetts were related. Of the details I have from photos & death notices the members of the Liggetts are: Robert, William, Joseph, Andrew, Richard & Adam. There is also a photo of Mary & Sadie Liggett. Have any of these names appeared in your tree (especially Adam as it wouldn't have been used much in those days). Also in one of the death notices it mentions a Mr & Mrs Martin Liggett.
Hope this is of some help and when I get some more info I will repost this. If you want any of the photos let me know and I'll PM them to you.
Amanda
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Amanda
Hopefully it is the same Sadie Liggett - mine was born in 1900 - she died in the 60's and is buried in Scarva. I don't know if this info fits with your photograph?? Some of the others are names I know - but still not tied them in properly yet.
Yes I would love to see some of your photographs - you are obviously working hard on building a good collection.
I also haven't found a connection to the McCammon family yet either. If I find the link, I will let you know.
Dermot
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Hi, My name is John Liggett, I was born in Ballynagreagh and I think I may know where his (Thomas Liggett) family lived in Druminargle. His family had a carpentary and sawmill business in Druminargle beside where my mother was born. Hope this helps to start with and hopefully I can give you some more information.
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John
what a great response, for two reasons. Firstly, it sounds like you know a great deal of family history and you might be able to help me add/correct a few missing facts and secondly, because it is likely that we are related!
To make family history just a bit more confusing - I think I can trace 3 fathers and sons named 'Thomas Liggett'. The most recent 'Thomas' was born in 1894 in New York - his father had emigrated along with his brother, Samuel. Samuel stayed in New York and eventually brought up a large family. However, after a few years Thomas, his wife Ellen and young daughter & son returned to Ireland - initially he lived in Belfast and then he settled in Druminargle.
I know very little about his father other that the fact that his name was Thomas and he lived in Ballynagreagh. But we are now back at a time where tracing BMD records is not easy. A few months ago I decided to try and locate his brothers & sisters and I think I have a possible elder brother who emigrated to Australia.
But do you know of any other for Thomas' siblings and what corrections can you make to my 'findings' above?
Dermot
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Hi Dermot
We think this Thomas Liggett + my Grandfather Alex were brothers, we also know of another brother James.
Also we can name their children for you, if required.
We are making some more inquires from my Aunt who was born in Druminargle beside the Thomas and Ellen Home.
John
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Morning from Australia. My gr-gr-grandmother Jane Bailey nee Liggett born circa 1833, possibly Ballyreagh, Armagh, to parents Robert Liggett (sometime Weaver/Labourer) and Jane Grimes. She married Joseph Bailey, carpenter, son of James Bailey & Elizabeth McNeight/McKnight, of Tandragee, at Acton Parish Church 9May1856. Their eldest son Robert John Bailey was born circa 1857 at Ballyreagh and remained with his Liggett grandparents until both died, before he immigrated to Australia in 1883, to join his father and mother who had immigrated with one infant child in 1863. They also left behind his sister Elizabeth, who immigrated to Australia just after she was married in 1886. She married Edward McClune/McLune of Cordrain in 1884.
I have been revisiting these Ancestors of recent. Trying to piece together Jane's family. I examined all Banbridge District registers available online for births, marriages, deaths, and came up with a possible list of Siblings. They are:-
John Liggett, farmer of Mullaglass (1837-1904);
Jane Liggett wife of Joseph Bailey to Australia (1833-1905);
Samuel Liggett, farmer of Tullyhugh (1834-1909) * not sure on this one;
Robert Liggett farmer to New Zealand (1836-1918);
Ann Liggett wife of James Adair of Belfast (1838-1911);
Margaret Liggett wife of John Muldrew of Gilford (1840-1897);
Mary Liggett wife of William John Johnston of Aughlish (1842-1920);
Alexander Liggett carpenter of Aughlish (1854-1880).
I have a lot of cross links with them all as witnesses and sponsors of marriages and children. My gr-grandfather showed up as present at a few also before he immigrated to Australia in 1883. including his grandfather Robert Liggett, and Uncle Alexander's death.
My problem is the period of time between about 1800-1850/64 records just aren't there.
I recently read an account of family research done on the Whaley family which had an early intermarriage with an Elizabeth Liggett of Tullyhugh, which was exciting and details access to records of the Ballymore Parish Registers actually at the church.
Is there anyone out there a Liggett who lives in Tandragee area? Pulling my hair out here in Australia.
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Hi,
My husbands name is Liggett. His father was James Stanley Liggett 1914-1982and he lived in Acton a little hamlet outside Tandragee. His Father was also James Liggett and lived Poyntzpass Co. Armagh. Born 1876 - 1892 he married Agnes Anna Gillow in 1913 in Riverside Reformed Church in Newry. He had another son Fredrick Walter Liggett b 1916
James liggett’s father was Thomas liggett b 1814-17th June 1892 ( that’s my husbands g grandfather) he married Ellen Murphy in 1855. They had 3 children, James (as above) Alexander in 1871 and one other for which I have no name but born 1866. They lived at Ballinagnagh poyntzpass Co Armagh I’ve only started to look at my husbands side of the family so I haven’t much on it. Hope this helps. Lorna
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His father was James Stanley Liggett 1914-1982and he lived in Acton a little hamlet outside Tandragee. His Father was also James Liggett and lived Poyntzpass Co. Armagh. Born 1876 - 1892 he married Agnes Anna Gillow in 1913 in Riverside Reformed Church in Newry. He had another son Fredrick Walter Liggett b 1916
Here's James Stanley Liggett born 4th December 1913 in Belfast at 53 Castlereagh Street. His father James living in Ballynagreagh townland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584617.pdf
Ballynagreagh townland (Acton townland to the east).
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/ballymore/poyntz-pass/ballynagreagh/
Frederick Walter Liggett born at Ballynagreagh on 30th May 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01339/1552795.pdf
KG
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James liggett’s father was Thomas liggett b 1814-17th June 1892.........he married Ellen Murphy in 1855. They had 3 children, James (as above) Alexander in 1871 and one other for which I have no name but born 1866.
Thomas died on 7th June at Ballynagreagh. The informant was his son James.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06039/4720367.pdf
Ellen Liggett and two sons in 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Poyntzpass/Ballynagreagh/1037082/
.....and in 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Poyntz_Pass/Ballynagreagh/307426/
Ellen Liggett died in 1916. The informant was her granddaughter Maggie Thompson.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05255/4457347.pdf
KG
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The informant was her granddaughter Maggie Thompson.
Thomas and Ellen had at least one daughter.
Mary Liggett married John Thompson on 4th November 1886 in Acton Parish Church. Her father was Thomas (a farmer) and she resided at Ballinagreagh (sic). The two witnesses were James Liggett and Ellen Liggett.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10849/5961239.pdf
Margaret Ellen (Maggie) born 20th December 1894 at Acton.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02243/1844812.pdf
KG
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Ellen Liggett and two sons in 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Poyntzpass/Ballynagreagh/1037082/
This might be the death of one son, Alexander:
D/1942/194/1023/6/353 Alexander Liggett 7th June 1942 75 Male Newry
Death record available from GRONI https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
You can register on GRONI (free) and then purchase a few credits to view the death record. Choose the "full" option (5 credits £2.50) and you can see the digitised image of the original record.
KG
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Hi Lorna, it's possible higher up the ancestors they are connected, very likely actually.
Your Thomas Liggett married Ellen Murphy 19April 1855 in the Registry Office Banbridge. Thomas a Farmer, of Shaneglish/Tanderagee, but his father was Samuel Ligget (Farmer) I need Robert Liggett.
Ellen Murphy was of Druminure and father Henry Murphy (Carpenter).
My Jane Liggett (gr-gr-grandmother) married Joseph Bayly (gr-gr-grandfather) 9/5/1856 at Acton, her father is listed as Robert Ligget (farmer). Given the names of their children, one was called Samuel Thomas Bailey. It draws the conclusion of their connection.
It's just the records for 1800-1850's which I desperately would like to know where to look.
Regards Debra Lyons nee Bailey.
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Here are the links for others-
She married Joseph Bailey, carpenter, son of James Bailey & Elizabeth McNeight/McKnight, of Tandragee, at Acton Parish Church 9May1856.
Joseph Bayly (sic) married 1856.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09516/5449269.pdf
Your Thomas Liggett married Ellen Murphy 19April 1855 in the Registry Office Banbridge. Thomas a Farmer, of Shaneglish/Tanderagee, but his father was Samuel Ligget (Farmer).............
Ellen Murphy was of Druminure and father Henry Murphy (Carpenter).
Marriage 1855
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09484/5437010.pdf
Shaneglish townland south of the town of Tandragee.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/ballymore/ballyshiel/shaneglish/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5297832#map=13/54.3356/-6.3782
KG
Edited to Add:
Druminure townland
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/ballymore/tanderagee/druminure/
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Hello, I'm attempting to connect with folks who may know of Samuel Liggett, born approx. 1816 in Armagh - married a Elisabeth Morehead and had two girls, Sarah and Agnes, before traveling to Canada in/about 1845/1846 or so. In Canada, the family was primarily located in the Ontario region, in a town of Hope/Durham.
I find many Liggett names in the region but can not confirm accurate data. Agnes was my great/great grandmother and I'd love to uncover more. I've been to the area, as my husbands father's family is from the same area.
Thank you!
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Hello Liggett families or helpers - I'm seeking information on my 3x great grandmother, Agnes Liggett (b. 1842) - her parents were Samuel & Elisabeth (Morehead) Liggett (or Ligget). They have noted Armagh and then Cork as potential birth place - seemingly came to Canada in 1846. They lived in Hope Township. I'm having a difficult time identifying which Ligget or Liggett family they belong too - I've done my DNA on Ancestry but have not found enough to tell the story! Thank you.
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However, after a few years Thomas, his wife Ellen and young daughter & son returned to Ireland - initially he lived in Belfast and then he settled in Druminargle.
In 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Ballyshiel/Druminargle/331553/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001642128/
Gertrude Ligget born 12th October 1907 MMN Copeland
Problem with image retrieval on IrishGenealogy.
Edited to add-
Samuel Liggett born 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02153/1816547.pdf
Sadie Liggett born 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01957/1755301.pdf
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Thank you - I see the census year of 1911 - however, if Samuel is from the Armagh family of Liggett's he would have been born much earlier. His daughter, Agnes - born 1842. Thanks!