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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: jlay on Monday 29 November 10 11:55 GMT (UK)
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I am a decendant of Adam King, born around 1808, and Isabella [Brady]. Adam and the children - Alexander, Isabella, James and John emmigrated to Aust. in 1854 but Isabella[ [mother]was not with them... so how can I find out what happened to her?
Adam's parents are listed as James King and Martha [Park]... were they in Banff too?
Isabella [daughter] mentioned a Devina King in her will [1881] in a way that suggests a family connection....any connection to Banff?
Only just started these searches but it is addictive...
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Hi Jlay
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Have you looked for the family in the earlier censuses, can provide you with lots of info. For example, this looks to be the family in 1851:
Adam King 43, Tailor 4 Clothier Employing 9 Men 1 And One Apprentice b. Minto, Roxburghshire
Isabella King 43 b. Turriff, Aberdeenshire
James King 16
Isabella King 14
Margaret King 12
Alexander King 10
John Duncan King 9
Mary Martha Park King 7
Elizabeth Duncan King 5
Adam King 3
William Elliot King 2
Address: 24 Bridge Street, Banff, Banffshire
All the children are showing as born in Banff. As you can see, both Adam and wife Isabella were born in different counties.
Given how many children they had, wondering why you only have 4 children showing as accompanying father when he left for Australia in 1854?
Monica
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For the 1841 census, I think there might be two separate entries for the Kings. You can check on http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ the entries. Adam King, tailor, and eldest son James show in Banff and I think Isabella with the other children born by 1841 are showing with a Brodie family in Forglen Banffshire. Could be her parents (names with fit with the names given to Adam and Isabella's children) but hard to be definite.
Relationships within the household were not shown for the 1841 census which is the most limited in terms of info, also, ages for everyone over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest five years.
Adam and Isabella's marriage/banns are listed in two places, likely where bride and groom were resident at the time of the marriage:
12 FEB 1832 Banff, Banff and 25 FEB 1832 Forglen, Banff
Take care when doing searches for Isabella. I think her maiden names was BRODIE not BRADY and this will affect your search results. If you do a parent search on IGI here www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true - simply put in father and mother's full names (Adam King and Isabella Brody) and then British Isles/Scotland, you will then see a full list of entries for their chilren. These entries are a mixture of actual extract for the Parish Register and member submitted entries (which need to be confirmed elsewhere).
The daughter Elizabeth who shows in 1851 as aged 5, may connect to this entry, actual extract from the Parish register:
DAVINA ELIZABETH SHIER KING Birth: 28 OCT 1845/ Christening: 26 NOV 1845 in Banff
Monica
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There is a death showing in Bendigo, Victoria for a Davina Elizth Osborne in 1922 (Reg No. 4022), daughter of Adam King and Isobel Brodie.
I also saw a reference on a subscription site, on a family tree for this line, to a possible death for Isabella Brodie King in September 1884 in Bendigo and burial with Adam at Bendigo Cemetery, Victoria with a surviving headstone. You can search here for BMD info in Victoria https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria. There looks to be a death in 1884 on the index for an Isabella King/Brodie which might be this one?
You can search here for King burials in Bendigo Cemetery www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp?search=true&sSurname=king&sInitial=&sYear=
Likely Isabella and the other children also travelled over to Australia given this info?
Also, see the Victoria Resources here on RootsChat www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369963.0.html for a comprehensive list of resourcers available.
Monica
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I think Isabella and younger children may have travelled over to Australia a few years after Adam and the older children.
There is a likely entry for Isabella and the younger children (a few more born after the 1851 census up to Ada in 1854 which fits with the early departure of Adam Snr that year). I can only see an index entry but likely arrival on 14 Mar 1858 in Melbourne, departing from Liverpool, England on the 'Merchant Prince'.
Monica
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All the children are in the IGI as the family of Adam King and Isabella Brodie
James, born 10, baptised 22 June 1834, Banff
Isabella, born 27 September, baptised 16 October 1836, Banff
Margaret, born 12 May, baptised 3 June 1838, Banff
Alexander, born 10 June, baptised 3 August 1840, Banff
John Duncan, born 1, baptised 18 February 1842, Banff
Mary Martha Park, born 11 November, baptised 12 December 1843, Banff
Davina Elizabeth Shier, born 28 October, baptised 26 November 1845, Banff
Adam, born 23 July, baptised 8 August 1847, Banff
William Elliot, born 26 March, baptised 8 April 1849, Banff
Agnes Inglis, born 2, baptised 15 September 1851, Banff
Ada Jemima, born 16 November 1854, Forglen
There's only one child of James King and Martha Park listed:
Adam, born 13 August 1807, Minto, Roxburghshire (at the other end of Scotland). This is, however, a 'submitted' entry so needs to be treated with caution until verified by checking the original document. The index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk does list an Adam King, baptised 1807 in the parish of Minto, father James, mother Park; and there is another entry in the IGI, this time 'extracted', giving the same information except that the mother's given name is Mader. So it does look as if Adam's roots may not have been in Banff.
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These replies and the information is amazing...words fail me. I am now a total geneology junkie... I can't thank you and the process [roots chat] enough.
Adam King's death cert. 1878 [index only] lists his parents as James King and Martha Park. Will get full certificate as it might give birth place tho they often say just Scotland.
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Welcome to the Genealogy Addicts Club ;D Enjoy your research - lots there to follow up on.
Monica
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I have only just seen the posts re Adam King. I am also a descendant of Adam King & Isabella Brodie. I have been researching the family for over 15 years and have most of the answers to the original questions by jlay. Adam King had other siblings, who remained in Scotland, while he migrated to Australia with his family. Please respond to this post if you would like further info.
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There is one Brodie gravestone at Forglen. It is to Alexander Brodie (1784-1859) and his wife Isabella Eddie (1786-1867). Several children are mentioned.
If this is your family, let me know and I'll give you the rest of the details.
Graham.
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Yes, Alexander Brodie & Isabella Eddie are the parents of Isabella Brodie who married Adam King. Would love any info at all that may be on headstone, or any other family info.
Alexander's daughter, Jessie Davidson, died in 1896 and is also buried at Forglen.
Would still like to hear from 'jlay' as I will be able to fill in all the blanks. I have some certificates also that that person may be interested in.
Shirley
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This is from a published transcription.
In memory of MARIA SOPHIA BRODIE d. 4 Aug. 1821 aged 10; JAMES d. 29 Aug. 1821 aged 12; ELSPET d.17 Sept. 1821 aged 6; This humble monument is erected by their disconsolate parents ALEXANDER & ISABEL BRODIE at Boat of Muiresk. Their son GEORGE d. 25 Dec. 1834 aged 10; above ALEXANDER BRODIE 1784-1859 and his wife ISABELLA EDDIE 1786-1867; also dau. JESSIE 1826-1896 wife of JOHN KEITH and later WILLIAM DAVIDSON, Turriff.
The Boat of Muiresk still retains its name, although the ferry across the Deveron there is long gone. The kirkyard is about half a mile to the west of it. From the number of deaths in the family in 1821, it sounds as if they all died of the same thing. I've seen that with consumption in a twig of my tree. It is normal, probably even the rule, for an Isabel/Isobel to turn into an Isabella from the 1830s onwards.
Graham.
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I see Alexander Brodie died in 1859 and Isabella Eddie in 1867, so you can get their death certificates from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and find out who their parents were.
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Thanks Graham for the info. This now confirms that these children belong to the same family. I have another 7 children born to Alexander and Isabella, but can't seem to find any further info on them.
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I have the death certificates of both Alexander Brodie and Isabella Eddie, thanks Forfarian.
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I too are a decendant of Adam King from Banff and have only started trying to find out some family history. Shirlbur is there some way I can get some more King family info from you?
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Hello CKing. What you will have to do is make (I think) three posts, then you can send a personal message to the person you want to contact. If you reply to this, that's a second post. To send personal messages, you click on the persons name and you are taken to a page where you can send a message. They are informed by e-mail that someone has sent a message.
Graham.
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Thanks for the tip Graham, much appreciated.
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Hope you are now a "three post" member and have managed to send a personal message.
Graham.
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I'm also a descendant of Adam King and Isabella Brodie. My great great grandfather is Adam & Isabella's son: William Elliot King.
It would be great if there is someone out there in the world who has a photo of my gggrandfather William Elliot Minto King.
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Hi bradley king, there is a lot of info gathered by a relative. Whereabouts are you in the world? I don't know about photos but there is a comprehensive family tree been put together. Catherine King