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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: shakel on Thursday 02 December 10 07:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Hope someone can solve the mystery of Lily Scott.
Daniel McBride Scott married Alice Upton in 1883. They had 5 children - all born in Victoria except for Martha - she was born in Temora.....
Martha (b: 1884),
Agnus (b: 1885),
Robert (b: 1888)
Helena (b: 1890)
Alice (b: 1891)
I recently found a photo of Martha with a young lady similar in age. They were both dressed the same. On the back was written - dated Sydney 1907....
Dear Lily,
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from your affectionate sister
Martha
Obviously Martha was sending her sister the photo of the two of them.
But.....who is Lily??????
I can't find any birth, marriage or death for her.
Hope someone can help
Shakel
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Could it be a sister-in-law. I have a few incidences of this. Who did Angus and Robert marry, either of them a Lily?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Thank you for your reply.
Sadly, Robert, Helena and Alice died as babes, and Agnes (sorry, my fault, not Angus) did not marry, she became an Officer in the Salvation Army.
I'm really at a dead end here...
Shakel
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Do you have the death cert for either of the parents, that should show the children?
Annie
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That is the other mystery I was going to persue....
I have tried for years to find the deaths of Alice and Daniel........no luck there either.
I only have the death cert for Martha, which confirms the father and mother.
Shakel
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If Alice Upton was a widow she might have brought older children, including Lily, to this marriage. Her childbearing extends over seven years which is short for the times so she might be an older woman. Do you have the marriage certificate? - it would also have names for parents of Alice and Daniel, which would assist in locating their deaths.
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Hi
I am not able to bring you any closer to solving your riddle, but I did find this burial of interest.
Perhaps you have seen it already.
Location all together at COBURG CEMETERY. Methodist A 148
MCBRIDE Daniel died 15/10/1884 Aged 46
SCOTT Alice May died 17/07/1893
SCOTT Helena E died 1/08/1890
THORBURN Andrew died 29/10/1938
THORBURN Andrew Mcclennan died 7/04/1915
THORNBURN Robert Newton Scott died 2/12/1888
So your two little girls are with this person.
The death
MCBRIDE Danl.
Father Danl
Mother Martha DUESS
Age 46
PRESTON
Year 1884 #13
There is this marriage.
MCBRIDE, DANIEL to DILKES, LOUISA
Birthplace Ballymena
Year 1878 #1817
There are children to this couple from 1878 to 1886 in COLLINGWOOD.They can be listedif of interest.
Sue
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Looking a little further at this burial group, here is the death of
ROBERT NEWTON SCOTT THORNBURN
SCOTT Robert Newton
Father Daniel Mcbride
Mother Alice UPTON
Age11M
At FITZROY
Year 1888 #13401
So we have the additional surname name THORNBURN being applied in 1888.
Sue
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Good find Sue
The Andrew d 1938, parents are Wlm Thorburn and Martha McBride
Andrew McLennan 1915 , father Thomas
Annie
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ah hah
Found a tree
Martha McBride daughter of Daniel McBride and Martha Dues married
1) Robert Newton Scott 1855
2) Andrew McClennan Thorburn 1876
Now we can see why the Thorburn
Annie
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Children to Robert Newton Scott and Martha McBride
Daniel McBride 1855
George William 1858-1929
Robert Newton 1860-1933
Samuel Kelsall 1863-1870
Children to Andrew McClennan Thorburn and Martha McBride
Thomas 1865
Martha 1866-1944
Andrew 1869-1938
Samuel Kelso 1872-1936
Annie
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Robert Newton SCOTT m Martha MCBRIDE 1855 # 862
Daniel Mc Bride SCOTT b 1855 Eaglehawk - Robert SCOTT and Martha MCBRIDE # 11595
His siblings:
edit to add George William b 1858 Fryers Creek # 8571
Robert Newton b 1860 Taradale # 21605
Samuel Kelsell b 1863 Daylesford # 1852 edit to add d 1870 aged 7 Daylesford
Martha b 1866 Daylesford # 20849
Andrew Thorburn b 1869 Daylesford # 21810
Samuel 1872 Daylesford # 8370
Regards
Alison
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There is a death in NSW:
33429/1955 CRUMPTON LILLIAN MAY DANIEL MARTHA COFFS HARBOUR
I can't find a marriage in NSW or Victoria and definitely no birth in either state for Lily {or variations} to Daniel and Martha.
regards
Alison
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For the records,
MARTHA THORNBURN is also at Coburg Cemetery
Aged 85 are located METHODIST: Compartment: A Grave No: 200.
THORBURN Martha Date 2/06/1917
Her death
THORBURN Martha
Father: Mcbride Daniel
Mother Martha DUESS
Age: 85
Hoth E
Year: 1917 # 5238
Sue
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Here is the death of MARTHA's second husband who is in the grave with ALICE's children and lent the name THORBURN as mentioned above.
THORBURN Andrew Mcclennan
Father: Thorburn Thos
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Age 80
At Hotham E
Year 1915 #5476
Sue
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From Victoria:
Andrew THORBURN { b Glasgow} m Martha SCOTT 1876 # 3755
There are no children listed to this couple.
Regards
Alison
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The births might be under Scott as they had children before they married :D
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There is a possible death in SA
Alice Eleanor SCOTT 29 Aug 1942
Page 4729
Vol 654
Annie
EDIT: just searched NLA, her husband was Thomas Archibold SCOTT, so not the right Alice
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Annie there are definitely NO children to Martha and THORBURN.
I have just edited my reply #11 to add a George William b 1858 Fryers Creek { mother was listed as Martha BRIDE} and the first Samuel's death. All of them have Robert Newton SCOTT as their father. with the last { Sam the 2nd} being born 4 years before his mother remarried to Andrew THORBURN in 1876. Makes me think there must be a family connection somewhere as Andrew Thorburn SCOTT was born to Martha and Robert in 1869.
Maybe Andrew was Roberts best mate and Robert and Martha named a son after him. :D
Martha would have been 44 when she and Andrew married.
regards
Alison
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May as well keep it in the family ;)
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A death notice for ANDREW THORBURN, (the younger) who died in 1938 and is buried in the large group at COBURG (above)
Argus 31st Oct 1938
".....Thorburn, Andrew, Son of the late ANDREW THORBURN and MARTHA THORBURN and brother of MARTHA , Mrs Hutchinson Essendon.....etc."
Sue
ADDING The death indexing does actually show the fathers name in this death to be ANDREW THORBURN {Age 68 Year 1938 # 9918}
Not Wlm. THORBURN per relpy #8
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Hi Everyone
I just answered all your wonderful work and tried to attach a photo of the illusive "Lily" - however - the whole message got lost somewhere!!! Can't get the hang of "attaching" on RootsChat.
All the information you have found is fantastic. The name "Thornburn" now has relevance and it looks like the little girls are buried with their grandfather.
You have also saved me the cost of buying the certificate of the death of an Alice Scott in SA - I thought it was a good shot.
Below is the message on the back of the photo.........can anyone see any clues there???
Sydney, June 27, 1907.
Dear Lily,
Did you get a letter from me last week with PM 10 shillings in it? I feel a bit anxious as I did not get a letter yesterday from you. I received a letter from SA yesterday. He is in Kimberley. I will send the letter on to Granny when mum sends it back.
Love to you and Gran.
From your affectionate sister,
Martha
Shakel
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Below is the message on the back of the photo.........can anyone see any clues there???
Sydney, June 27, 1907.
Dear Lily,
Did you get a letter from me last week with PM 10 shillings in it? I feel a bit anxious as I did not get a letter yesterday from you. I received a letter from SA yesterday. He is in Kimberley. I will send the letter on to Granny when mum sends it back.
Love to you and Gran.
From your affectionate sister,
Martha
Shakel
So Alice (mum) is still alive and not in Sydney as has to send the letter back
Lily lives with Gran??
SA, Samuel?
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the little girls are buried with their grandfather. shakel
None of the people in the grave is the father of DANIEL McBRIDE SCOTT.
Sue
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Sorry Sue, got confused with this.....
So your two little girls are with this person.
The death
MCBRIDE Danl.
Father Danl
Mother Martha DUESS
Age 46
PRESTON
Year 1884 #13
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This man is the brother of MARTHA
The thread will show they have the same parents
Reply # 6 re. Daniel's death
Reply # 13 re. Martha's. death.
Sue
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Right - got it now...thank you Sue.
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Hi
There is a birth at Young NSW for an Alice E UPTON with parents Thomas and Margaret.
6379/1865
Young and Temora are approx 80km apart so I think this is "your" Alice.
Essie
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This is a real long shot
Death of Lily DM BATTEN 1913 #5354
mother: Alice E
I can't see a birth for a Lily Batten with that mother.
Annie
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I should mention , just to keep the search wide, that on the births of most of the children to ALICE her second given name is in fact HELENA.
The daughter was perhaps named after her.
The name ELEANOR, does, however, appear in reference to her in some instances.
Sue
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I noticed that too, Sue but there doesn't seem to be a birth for an Alice Helena.
I suspect the Alice E birth is the one
Annie
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Hi Essie,
Yes that is my Alice - father Thomas Upton, mother Margaret Connelly.
Annie - the death of Lily Batten obviously didn't mention a father....was it a Victorian death or NSW?
And Sue, you are right, Alice had both Eleanor and Helena as a middle name on various entries.
When I attach a photo - do I have to do anything else other than click"post".......I just can't sem to get it to work.......would love to show you the photo of the "sisters"
Shakel
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Sorry Shakel Should have added it was a Sydney death #5254
Annie
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Hi
Yes that is my Alice - father Thomas Upton, mother Margaret Connelly.SHAKEL
Please tell us how you are certain of this, Shakel.
Do you have some certification of birth or...?
It is always best for a good search if you give the forum all the information you have as early as you can in the thread ;)
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Sorry about that - I just thought that as I was seeking the daughter of Alice, I didn't think Alice's parents were relevant - but, of course, all information is important.
Alice was listed on the death certificates of both parents, and I have the baptism record for Alice Helena Upton in Young on 31st January 1872.
Shakel
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I have tried for years to find the deaths of Alice and Daniel........no luck there either. shakel
No worries ;)
This quote ( above ) from your thread may be where we went "off course"
Anyway. LILY ..mmm
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Sorry about that - I just thought that as I was seeking the daughter of Alice, I didn't think Alice's parents were relevant - but, of course, all information is important.
Alice was listed on the death certificates of both parents, and I have the baptism record for Alice Helena Upton in Young on 31st January 1872.
Shakel
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HHmm odd so she wasAlice Helena not Alice Eleanor?
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It is not uncommon for Helena and Eleanor used for the same person. Like Jane/Jean and Anna/Hannah/Johanna used interchangeably.
Essie
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Trying to draw implications from the letter.
When Martha wrote the note in 1907 she was 23 in Sydney.
LILY is living with or near GRANNY.
Which Granny?
Granny Martha did not die until 1917. So it could be her in Victoria.
Granny Margaret? SHAKEL, when did Margaet Upton die?
"MUM" refers to the mother of both LILY and MARTHA (the note's author)
If MUM, in regard to the letter,has to "send it back" she is not living with or near Martha who has mailed it to her to read.
I wonder who is SA who sent the letter from Kimberley .
There is Samuel (born 1872)who would be the uncle of the girls.
Whoever SA was he/she was obviously of interest to the whole family.
Just thoughts :D
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Funny how we all interpret things differently.........
I received a letter from SA yesterday. He is in Kimberley. I will send the letter on to Granny when mum sends it back.
I always assumed that "SA" was South Australia.....meaning - "he" is in Kimberley, South Australia.. :o
Just checked Google, and I can't find a place - Kimberley in SA, so you must be on the right track with SA being initials of someone.
Margaret Upton (nee Connelly), the girl's maternal grandmother, was living in Young, up until 1914, then she moved to Albury, and was there until her death in 1922.
Shakel
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Hi
Came across your listings today on Daniel McBride Scott and Alice Eleanor Upton (married 16 December Temora NSW). I have searched for many years trying to find their deaths. This what I have on Daniel's parents: Martha's McBride's parents were married on Friday the 27 June 1828 at Dundonald County Ayrshire Scotland. Two siblings of Martha's have been traced, William Dues, born c1832 Irving Ayrshire Scotland. William migrated to Australia as an unassisted passenger on the Sailing ship ELEUTHERIA which left Glasgow Scotland on the 1st August 1853 and arrived in the port of Melbourne on the 5th January 1854 with 23 fellow passengers.No further information could be found on William. Daniel born c1838,Irving Ayrshire Scotland, never married. On his death certificate it stated that he was in New Zealand for 20 years and then 9 years in Victoria. he died in South Preston Victoria on Tuesday 14 October 1884 and buried at the Coburg Cemetery Victoria the following day.
Martha had four children to Andrew Thorburn whom she married at Daylesford on 28 November 1876 after being informed of Robert Newton Scott death in June 1875. The children were Thomas 1865, Martha 1866, Andrew 1869 and Samuel 1872. Martha had registered the births of the three youngest children under Roberts name. It appears that Robert had left Martha before their son Samuel's drowning in 1865, possibly in pursuit of pastoral teachings overseas.
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Hi,
Thanks for your input.
I still have not found Daniel and Alice's death, however, I am still looking!!!
I come down through Alice Upton's line, so my knowledge of the McBride/Scott line is limited other than the information given to me by the very helpful Rootschatters. Do you have a connection with this family?
Shakel
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Martha Margaret Scott (eldest daughter of Daniel McBride SCOTT and Alice Eleanor SCOTT (nee UPTON) ) is my father's mother. Our family researchers have not been able to find the death dates and burial places of my great-grandparents. My grandmother met my grandfather in the Cobar/Nymagee area between 1907 and 1910 ( I have the love poems they wrote to each other during their courtship). From what I'm led to believe, she was working as a housemaid in a hotel at Nymagee( there were 5 in the town at the time) that was owned by a relative. The place of residence on her marriage certificate shows BARMEDMAN NSW. So maybe her parents had left the Barmedman area after being there for at least 20 years or so. So where and when Daniel and Alice died is still a mystery.
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My grandmother (Martha Margaret Scott) would have been 23 in 1907. She always called her sister Lil so I assume that is her younger sister Agnes Maud. Lil never married and was in the Salvation Army. I remember going with my grandmother and visiting "LIL". I have photos of my grandmother and Lil in latter life and they certainly share common looks and build. TEDED
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Hi
Iam the G,G, Grandson of Robert Newton Scott & Martha McBride (the parents of Daniel McBride Scott). The mention of Kimberley S.A is most likely South Africa as Robert Newton Scott's brothers were Wesleyan Missionarie there. George Scott Railton, the first Lieutenant of the Salvation Army was their cousin. My G,G,G,Grandfather Reverend George Scott DD was posted to Sweden from 1831-1842, were my G.G,Grandfather was born on the 12 August 1834 in Stockholm. I have prints of George Soott im younger years and later years taken from books that I have collected.
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Hi LenHill and TedEd,
I am thrilled with the information you have both included and to finally have solved the mystery of Lily - I was convinced she was another child apart from Agnes Maud. I was given a photo of Martha and Lily in younger days, as well as some other photos of the family, if you would like me to send it on just PM me with your email.
It appears to have been a family who was heavily involved with the Salvation Army - could there have been a possibility that Daniel McBride Scott and Alice also went overseas on pastoral pursuits? This could be a reason for not being able to find their deaths and burial sites.
LenHill - I would love to hear more of the Scott family history if that is possible.
Shakel
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Thank you so much to all those fabulous RootsChatters who contributed to this thread and have helped to track the identity of "Lily".
Hopefully the whereabouts of her parents will also be found one day.
Shakel
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I'll try and post a photo of my gramdmother -Martha Margaret (nee) Scott as I remember her. This was taken at my grandparents home at Belmore in Sydney NSW where she lived from around 1920 until she died in Jan. 1962. TEDED
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On the copy of the handwitten marriage certificate for my grandparents, Martha Margaret (nee Scott) and Joseph Morris, the word "deceased" appears in very small writing under where Martha's father's name is entered. Thus, it appears that Daniel McBride Scott died in the 30 months period of July 1907 and 31-12 -1909, most probably overseas. Alice Eleanor Scott(nee Upton) may have remarried and have a daughter by that marriage. So now we've got to find where Alice died and is buried with as yet unknown new surname. TEDED
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Has anyone got a copy of Alice Eleanor Upton's mother's (Margaret Upton nee Connelly, who died in Albury NSW on 24th. Feb. 1922, aged 90 years) death certificate or death register? It would be interesting to see if Alice is listed on either of those certificates. TEDED
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I've attached a photo that includes both Martha and Agnes (Lily), the 2 surviving children of Daniel McBride SCOTT and Alice Eleanor SCOTT (nee UPTON). Still trying to figure out where Beryl fits into the picture. TEDED
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http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15
SRO (state Records of New south Wales) has a will for an A G Scott died in South Africa
19/5/1909
Jenn
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All you people who are following this site might also be interested in another chat group I started on "rootschat.com' . It's called 'Christian names only". As Alice Eleanor Scott may have remarried and without a new surname to work on, I requested some help. There has been some interesting developments. Could her new surname be "Bassett". All the info is on that Chat Group site. TEDED
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,535613.0.html
linking that site mentioned by TEDED
Cheers, JM
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Hi
Hope someone can solve the mystery of Lily Scott.
I recently found a photo of Martha with a young lady similar in age. They were both dressed the same. On the back was written - dated Sydney 1907....
Dear Lily,
...........................
from your affectionate sister
Martha
Obviously Martha was sending her sister the photo of the two of them.
But.....who is Lily??????
I can't find any birth, marriage or death for her.
Hope someone can help
Shakel
Possibly found Lily SCOTT, mentioned as a sister to Martha and also to Jack ... SMH 23 Nov 1922 re Mabel Marie Wall. See the other thread.
Cheers, JM
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Yes majm, she has been found - also her mother, Alice - this family is starting to come together for me - thanks to all of you!!
Dare we ask again where Daniel could be????
Shakel
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Re Daniel McBride Scott ...
It would be worthwhile following the sighting that Jenn noted for you. This probate packet would be at the Kingswood (near Penrith) NSW archives, and although the Index has A.G. for the intials it could well be simply a transcript error caused by difficulty in reading the handwriting on the file.
You had mentioned that Daniel may have gone to Africa as a missionary. What was/were his occupations when in Australia? (should be on his m.c., and on the b.c.s for his children)
Cheers, JM
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15
SRO (state Records of New south Wales) has a will for an A G Scott died in South Africa19/5/1909
Jenn
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Hi there,
Re Daniel ... this is the link for the South Africa Board here at RChat... fingers crossed this will help
Cheers, JM
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,291.0.html and their thread re useful sites
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,26246.0.html
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I have now had a read of the posts on this thread
Have you considered that 'SA' could be pointing to Kimberley, Northern Cape, South Africa (SA being South Africa rather than South Australia or the initials for a person) If that letter was referring to Daniel, then it could be saying in effect that HE IS IN KIMBERLEY SOUTH AFRICA in June 1907
Sydney, June 27, 1907.
Dear Lily,
Did you get a letter from me last week with PM 10 shillings in it? I feel a bit anxious as I did not get a letter yesterday from you. I received a letter from SA yesterday. He is in Kimberley. I will send the letter on to Granny when mum sends it back.
Love to you and Gran.
From your affectionate sister,
Martha
Shakel
Cheers, JM
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Yes, that's what I've reckoned ever since I joined this group on advice of my youngest sister, as I 've better recollections of my grandmother ( Martha Margaret) and her sister Lil (Agnes Maud). Daniel McBride Scott already had cousins and uncles doing Wesleyan missionary work in that area of South Africa. My sister is trying to trace where and when Daniel left Australia. His father, Robert Newton Scott, did the same thing, leaving his family to go overseas on missionary work, though he was found buried in Easingwold, Yorkshire in June 1875. That's why Daniel's mother remarried and became a Thorburn. I've done a few searches in South Africa but found nothing yet. TEDED
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Hi there,
If this were my own family, I would be seeking the NSW probate packet that Jenn posted at reply 51.
The index shows that the date of death was recorded as 19 May 1909 and that South Africa features in the Probate file, with Probate granted in the NSW courts and duty paid 16 October 1911. The delay to me suggests either a large estate, perhaps with property in both NSW and SA, or a dispute over probate.
Probate packets often contain much more than just a will and a sheet of adminstration disposal. In my own family researchings I have found such treasures as BDM certs, newspaper cuttings, Gazette notices, Supreme Court statements with witness signatures showing females married surnames, the addresses of the witnesses etc. Of course, sometimes the probate packets have very little in them. BUT with South Africa mentioned and the estate dealt with in the NSW Supreme Court sometime around 1909-1911, and the surname SCOTT, that packet would be very high on my MUST DO list.
I notice there is now an option to online order photocopies of these Deceased Estates. "Photocopies: The cost varies according to the size/format of the record"
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx or http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15 (use the surname SCOTT and locality SOUTH AFRICA should get you straight there and offer you the checkout option.
If it is easy to get to the Kingswood Archives of any of your family, I can assure you the staff are very knowledgeable, and the probate packets are retrieved within about an hour. You can then decide which of the pages in the packet (or all the pages), you would like copied.
Cheers, JM
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That is for the estate of an "A.G Scott". We are looking for a D.M Scott. Tjanks for the hints. TEDED
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Yes, I realise the online INDEX shows this as for the deceased estate of A G Scott. Yes, I realise you are looking for D M Scott... :) :) :) It is of course entirely possible that the index has a transcription error. The Indexers do their very best, but sometimes there's very faint writing to transcribe. The details on these probate packets COVERS are all HANDWRITTEN in ink and over time the ink has faded away. As these packets were not stored at the Archives at Kingswood when they were first probated, then it is entirely probable that there could be fading on the covers. The Probate packets are sealed under the old wax system. If no one has previously sought access to that packet, then the wax seal will still be present. The indexers did not open the packets, they indexed from the information on the front cover.
I do feel that as there is some thoughts that DMcS went to Sth Africa from either NSW or Vic, and that he was known to be in SA in June 1907, and that the NSW SRO has mention of that surname and SA and 1909-1911 that it should be on the MUST DO list .... if only to eliminate the SA connection ..... A G can fade away from D M'B (the " ' " being the handwritten way in that era to show the "c" .... The 19th Century flourishes in the fountain pen with Up stroke and Down stroke can be overlooked .... And Upstrokes fade away quicker than Downstrokes. Also the amount of ink on the nib affects the rate of deterioration into the pages of those legal papers.
The typewriter came late to the NSW Court System.
And of course, Alice's surname would not have been found without some outside the square seachings .... ;D ;D ;D
Cheers, JM
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Point taken. I'm only a novice on this family researching. TEDED
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The points that Majm is making are all very valid. OFTEN transcription errors occur and my own thoughts are it might be for A E SCOTT and the G is an error as you say you never found what happened to Alice E Scott
The cost is quite minimal and would rule it out
You could also possibly try a transcription agent who usually charge a bit less
Jenn
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Point taken. I'm only a novice on this family researching. TEDED
Hi Teded,
Well, of course, everyone starts out at the beginning, its just deciding where the beginning starts that is the hurdle .... Don't ever apologise for being a novice .... while I am NSW centric, I readily admit to being a novice in the other former colonies in Aust :) :). You are simply stepping up to the plate, and are seeking some coaching advice.... Thus I apologise for not providing sufficient quality in the advice I offered earlier.
A primary record from NSW SRO that I found "all by myself" was a probate packet, unopened since its sealing in the 1860's. I still recall the emotions when I realised I was looking at my Great Great Great Grandfather's documents, and the delight when I found my Great Great Grandmother's signature. The Kingswood Archives are very well set out and the staff are very experienced. They rely on many volunteers transcribing the indexes, and it is most likely that the index itself dates from the 1980's or later.
I am sure that Jenn would agree with me that finding primary records are where you should be concentrating, to compare your known "oral" history with the official records, which may fully support what you already know, but may also have contradictions or expansions or clues to advance further and increase the "known" and reduce the "unknown" ... Your goals should include to remove the speculation and replace it with fact, and then to share with family without causing embarassment or hurt to those that are living.
The NSW BDM official transcription agents are very reliable, and it is my understanding that they may offer services to access NSW SRO records too.
Cheers, JM
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I've just been doing a bit of research into burials in Yorkshire where Daniel M Scott's father (Robert Newton Scott) is buried. Then I switched to South Africa. I stumbled across a burial from St. Mary's Anglican Church at BARKLY WEST in Northern Cape Province (Barkly West is west of Kimberley). A "Daniel Scott", aged 52 (right age), died on 1st. Oct. 1908 and was buried next day (By J. Cottrell). I got onto this through the site: www.eggsa.org What is the best way of researching this further? TEDED
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Keeping everyone up to date. My youngest sister from Canberra was in Sydney yesterday. Went out to Rookwood cemetery and after a bit of a search, found Alice's grave. Apparently, Mabel, her daughter, is with her. The grave was a bit overgrown, so my sisters done a bit of cleaning up, put some orange roses on the grave and took photos. Still waiting for replies of several emails I sent enquiring about the burial of a Daniel Scott on 2-10-1908 at Barkly West Northern Province South Africa. I'll post a photo Of Alice's grave When I get it. TEDED
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Just received the "death certificate" for Alice Helena (not Eleanor) Bassett. It states her parents correctly. It states Lily and Martha ( the ages are the wrong way around ) as only children, as it doesn't mention any of the three deceased children from the 1st. marriage (says "none deceased") and her 1st. husband as "John Scott". She supposedly married a "Jack Bassett" at Orange NSW when she was 34 yrs. old. (1899 or 1900). It gets her birthplace (Young) and place of 1st. marriage (Temora NSW) correct. I couldn't get a copy of the death certificate or Alice's headstone to upload. TEDED
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I finally got the details for the Estate of A.G. SCOTT as you advised . It indeed was for an A.G Scott and not Daniel as we were hoping for. Tracking and getting a death certificate for the 1908 period in South Africa is not a straight forward task. I've had several email replies which just lead to more email addresses. Apparently there was a big shake up of the provinces in 1994 and old records are scattered everywhere. TEDED
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Hi Ted,
It's good to know you are still on the trail.
I also had an attempt at finding out how to get a certificate from SA - not at all successful!
Thanks for keeping us up to date.
Shakel
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I am interested in this post as I a part of the New Zealand branch of the McBride family. My great grandfather William Dues McBride was a brother of Martha McBride, married to Robert Newton Scott. Martha youngest sister also came to New Zealand. If you would like to share information I would happy to share what I have. My email address is barriemac2017@outlook.com
Regards