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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: pityackafromblyth on Friday 03 December 10 13:34 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace family who originated from Kirkcaldy, and who moved to the North East of England, I believe prior to 1900. The christian names of the parents are not known, but they had 9 children. One was Sarah Jane Downie, who was born in 1884(@ Kirkcaldy), and who was my paternal grandmother. She had sisters: Annie, Ella, Lizzie,Joanna, and Polly; also a brother(Christian name not known) who was a seaman, believed drowned at Bilbao, Spain, and buried there. As regards the other 2 siblings, not known whether they were brothers, or sisters. I think, possibly, all the children may have been born in Fife, before the whole family moved down to England, where they settled in the NE, and lived there lives there. Any information, or suggestions as to where to start looking would be appreciated. Initially I thought one spot - Kirkcaldy- but there is Kirkcaldy Burgh, and 2 other sites relating to areas around the burgh.
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Hi
You could start by going to the Scotlandspeople website where you can buy credits. £6 will get you the copies of about 5 certificates.
They have a Sarah Jane Downie born 1884 in the district of Kirkcaldy/Abbottshall. The birth certificate will give you the name of parents, address where born & also the date of marriage of parents.
Regards
weemanswife
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Hi
I don't know if this is your family
1901 Census - Alexander Downie born Scotland aged 59
Margaret Downie born Blyth, Northumberland aged 51
Johanna Downie aged 26
Sarah J Downie aged 16
John Downie aged 15
Fannie Downie aged 12
Ella Downie aged 11
Elizabeth Downie aged 10
Fred Ravenburn aged 18 Nephew
Alexander Downie son aged 24
They were living in Blyth, Tynmouth, Northumberland and all the family except Sarah and her Father seem to have been born in Northumberland.
Regards
Weemanswife
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Hi Again,
Just had to look up Sarah's birth on Scotlandspeople. She was born on the 10 April 1884 at 397 High St., Kirkcaldy, Fife in the District of Kirkcaldy & Abbotshall. Father is Alexander Downie (Seaman, Merchant service) & Margaret Robson. They married in England on the 17th May 18.... It is very hard to read as the writing is not very good. If you send me your e-mail address I will send a copy of the Birth certificate.
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hi all :)
freeBMD has a possible marriage for them 2nd quarter 1869 tynemouth
the IGI has -
1881 earsdon northumberland(all born blyth northumberland)
margaret downie 30 sailors wife
thomas downie 10 son
jannie downie 7 dau.
margaret downie 5 dau.
alexander downie 3 son
george M(offat ?) downie 1 son
ev
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The IGI gives that there was an
Alexander Downie born 14.3.1841 in Abbotshall
to a Thomas Downie & Jean Robb
from the IGI additional family of
Thomas Downie, & Jean Robb
JANE DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 18 AUG 1826 Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
THOMAS DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 05 JAN 1828 Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
JAMES MILL DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 FEB 1831
WILLIAM DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 FEB 1831
AGNESS DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 29 OCT 1833
ISABELLA DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 28 OCT 1836
ALEXANDER DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 MAR 1841 Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
JOAN DOWNIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 MAY 1846
NorrieG
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Family in 1841 Census Abbotshall
Linktown High Street
Thomas Downie M 35 Linen Hand Loom Weaver born Outside Census County
Jane Downie 35 b Fife
Jane Downie 14 Linen Hand Loom Weaver
Thomas Downie 13 Linen Hand Loom Weaver
William Downie 10 b Fife
James Downie 10 b Fife
Agnes Downie 7 b Fife
Isabella Downie 4 b Fife
Alexr. Downie 2m b Fife
( note Thomas Downie was not born in Fife)
NorrieG
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looks like alexander downie born c1841 is on the 1891 and 1911 census
(died 4th quarter 1911 tynemouth ?)
it just might mention his bithplace in scotland :-\
failing that his marriage or death cert. would hopefully give a fathers name and
occupation
just to add to the census NorrieG found -
freeCEN website 1851 census
high street abbotshall fife(all born abbotshall fife exept thomas senior)
thomas downie 49 widower - linen weaver born dundee angus
william downie 20 wright(apprentice)
james downie 20 linen weaver
agnes downie 17 factory spinner
isabella downie 14
alexander downie 10
ev
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Thank you all for the information, as you have come up with the correct family. They lived in Blyth, Northumberland, and at the time Blyth was under Tynemouth for local government;and as regards C of E Earsdon was the parish which covered Blyth. In the early 1900s, possibly about 1911, Blyth merged with Cowpen and they became Blyth town council/borough. I always thought that Frederick Ravenburn was a family friend, as he lodged with my paternal grandparents, before or during WWI. However, he is shown on the census as a nephew. He was lost at sea in the Baltic, in 1919, when his ship went down with all hands. I have recently seen a probate notice which showed that one of the Downie daughter's was granted probate. We assume that she may have been engaged to him. The ship he was on was the steamer "FLUSH", which had an Inverness connection.
Many thanks to you all.
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Thomas Downie, the head of the household in 1841, was born on 2 August 1801 and baptized at Alyth, Perthshire on 5 August 1801, son of James Downie and Jean Moncur, his spouse. His baptism entry shows that his father was a weaver in Dundee and Thomas's birthplace is given as Dundee in the 1851 Census. His parents were married on 20 April 1794 in Blairgowrie, at which time James was a weaver in Green of Blyth.
I have a fair bit of information about Thomas's siblings and their descendants, and on Thomas's own descendants if anyone is interested.
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Charles Fred Ravenburn naturalisation from Denmark on the 5th of September 1900 lived at 64 Folly Road, Blyth, Northumberland.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27234/page/6040/data.pdf
This man?
CHARLES F RAVENBURN
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
England, County Northumberland
Year,1924
Birth Year,1850
Age, 74
District, Tynemouth
(Maybe a different man from Fred?)
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whiteout7, Thanks for that - Charles Frederick Ravenburn was the father of Frederick Ravenburn. I was aware of his naturalisation as a British subject in 1900. With the help of Rootschat members, by visiting the Europe section, I gained information re his family in Denmark. His original name was Carl Fredrik RAVNEBERG, so he will have "adopted" the English versions of his Christian names.