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Title: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Saturday 04 December 10 16:57 GMT (UK)
Is anyone researching the Knowler family in the 1700's, if so I would love to hear from you

regards, Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Sunday 05 December 10 09:57 GMT (UK)
Yes I have the Knowler or Knowles from the Boughton Aluph / Eastwell part of Kent.

Where are yours

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Sunday 05 December 10 10:06 GMT (UK)
Hello Lis, mine are around the Wye area, I'm looking for the marriage of Henry Knowler to Mary

regards, Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Sunday 05 December 10 11:02 GMT (UK)
If you give me an idea of the date I can maybe help.

I have Henry K marrying Mary Wraight in 1750

Henry K m Mary Kingsnorth 1720 Kennington
Henry of Crundale m Mary Hudson 1730 she is from Wye

hope this helps
Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Sunday 05 December 10 11:47 GMT (UK)
Hello Lis, thank you so much for your reply. I think it's best if I give you what I have.
My Elizabeth Knowler m. John Mapested 1752 in Wye, he came from Challock, in the PR's for Challock which I researched at Canterbury I found an Elizabeth c. 1739 dau. of John and Sarah Knowler, then I realised that this Elizabeth would have only been about 13 in 1752. [ I know it was possible for marriages to take place at an early age then] However I found another Elizabeth c.1723 in Crundale dau. of Henry and Mary, and she seemed to fit better agewise, this would fit with the marriage of Henry and Mary Hudson, but I also found these other c.
Mary c. 21 August 1720 Wye
Sarah c. 28 August 1726, Crundale
John c. 5 March 1732, Waltham

also death of Henry husband of Mary buried 26 July 1736, Waltham.

so it seems that Mary 1720 may have been the dau. of Henry and his wife Mary Kingsnorth

Elizabeth and Sarah dau's of Henry and Mary Hudson

John in Waltham, was he the son of yet another Henry and Mary? is it possible that they are all the same Henry and that his first wife Mary Kingsnorth died and he then married Mary Hudson. my head is going round in circles!!!

Any thoughts on this would be  most greatfully received..........Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Sunday 05 December 10 12:06 GMT (UK)
I think I'm having senior moments, these Knowlers are getting at me!!!

If Elizabeth and Sarah were c. 1723 and 1726 it's more likely they are the dau's of Henry Knowler and Mary Kingsnorth not Mary Hudson
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Sunday 05 December 10 12:16 GMT (UK)
Well I think Crundale Eliz Knowler fits very well here.

In my list of Knowlers/Knowles there is no other Eliz suitable.

In a situation like this we can't ever be sure and I just keep in mind this is the most likely Eliz and keep my eyes open for another.

Have you tried the pilot search from the IGI and see what that brings up.
Also I do not know where henry & Mary(kingsnorth) were having their children, they are not in Kennington. Just seen your last post yes I missed that too, so I think you are safe with Eliz in crundale and mary Hudson as mum.

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Sunday 05 December 10 12:39 GMT (UK)
And I presume you have John Mapseden's  spelling? in Challock Henry & Eleanor, it looks as if he and Lizzie Knowler were the same age
Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Sunday 05 December 10 12:46 GMT (UK)
Yes, I have the parents of John, I sat in the CC Archives and copied out 2 large pages of this family and similar names, so I'll now go and have a look at my notes again.

Thank you so much.....Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: billkent on Sunday 05 December 10 14:07 GMT (UK)
I am descended from William Knowler (born 1806) through his daughter Charlotte (born 1839), living in the Milton area, Charlotte married Daniel Hutson, Charlotte was my G/Grandmother.

Bill.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Monday 06 December 10 07:30 GMT (UK)
Hello Lis, can I just check this with you, you said Henry of Crundale m. Mary

 Hudson 1730, but the IGI gives that they married 20th October 1720 at Crundale,

 could you just check your info. for me as it could make a difference.

Many thanks, Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Chrisann on Monday 06 December 10 08:07 GMT (UK)
I am descended from William Knowler (born 1790, Ash next Sandwich) and Elizabeth Ann Whitnall/Witnall - and all variants of that name! - (born 1806, Sibertswold/Shepherswell) through their son Thomas (born 1837, Chillenden) and Hannah Laws (born 1844, Swingfield). Do any of these figure in your trees? I have loads of information from 1790 on but nothing definite on the Knowlers further back. Chrisann
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 06 December 10 10:32 GMT (UK)
Good job you checked Brenda, yes I made the mistake, I have 20/10/1720 in my notes for this Henry Knowler marriage.
The marriage was in Crundale and Henry was from Wye.
By Mary's name is otp but I cannot find her in Crundale, I cannot find Henry born in Wye but can find a possible Mary in Wye.

So sorry to have confused the issue by my carelessness!!
all the best
Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 06 December 10 15:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Chrisann, sorry I have no Knowlers from this area.

I too am stuck. I am looking for a Henry Knowler  who married Eliz Boulden in 1786, so presume he was born around 1750-1760's. The only one I can find is in Chilham. So for the moment I have left him!!

Watney, I cannot find your Henry c around 1695-1700 either.

What fun it is looking!!!

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Chrisann on Monday 06 December 10 16:10 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lis. Unconfirmed information suggests that my William's parents (also William and Mary, grr) were from Chilham so, you never know, we may all match up later  :)  I guess we must at some point anyway - 1066 and all that? Chrisann
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Tuesday 07 December 10 18:45 GMT (UK)
I now find Brenda that accepting as a possibility a Henry Knowler who married my Eliz Boulden in 1786, I find I am back with your little Crundale family. I used to live in the next village to Crundale and its beautiful!!. I didn't know then that I had heaps of ancestors from these few lovely villages.
So my possible Henry is brother to your Eliz!!

What fun!!

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Saturday 18 December 10 09:17 GMT (UK)
Hello Lis, I have found a christening for a Henry Knowler February 1696 in Adisham, son of John and Elizabeth Knowler, so this could be a possible.

Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Saturday 18 December 10 10:54 GMT (UK)
This looks good to me especially as we know none of this can be proved if there are no Wills to back it up. We know that our ancestors moved around far more than we think they did.

I have gone back down Mary Hudson family and was stopped by the Commonwealth years.

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Saturday 18 December 10 23:08 GMT (UK)
Did you end up in Godmersham with the Hudson line?...........Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Sunday 19 December 10 10:47 GMT (UK)

Yes Godmersham and Wye still, and with the Amis/Amys family, that I have connected with before.

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: chris knowler on Tuesday 28 December 10 07:50 GMT (UK)
Hi All

Just getting back into my family history after a lapse of some 8 years.  My line stem from Chilham then back to John(1420) i have always found a lot of confusion round the Chilham Knowler's, with the early rich ones and then my line but intermingled with my line is some other Knowlers that at the moment can't figure out, but now i am retired hope to make some headway.

If i can be of any help please ask, as i have loads of info on unconnected Knowler's mostly from Kent.

I was born and bred in Kent and still here.

Anyway i wish you all a happy New Year.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Tuesday 28 December 10 09:04 GMT (UK)
Hello Chris, how lovely to hear from you, I would be grateful for any help that you can give me with my Knowler line. I have Elizabeth Knowler c. 1723 in Crundale she was the daughter of Henry Knowler and Mary Hudson who were married 1720 in Wye, the family then moved to Waltham where Henry died in 1736, there is a note in Waltham PR's which gives his age as 41, I wonder if he could be the son of John and Elizabeth Knowler of Adisham.

Kind regards, Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: chris knowler on Tuesday 28 December 10 10:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Brenda

Waltham Crundale Chilham Godmersham all within a few miles of each other, are the areas where i have found a lot of confusion over the years.  I searched the pr for Waltham some years ago and if i remember were a lot unreadable, with only finding 3 Knowlers in the 1800s which i thought at the time must be connected to me some how but never found the link, considering Waltham is only along the road from Chilham.

I will have a look in my box (loft at the moment) of unrelated sometime see if i have any information.

Regards Chris
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: chris knowler on Tuesday 28 December 10 12:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Brenda
Found a few that might help, but could not find where John and Elizabeth came from.

Births At Wye Kent

Thomas 19 May 1700 to John & Elizabeth Knowler

Robert 20 Sep 1702 to above

Mary 7 Feb 1704/1705 to above

John 26 June 1698 to above

Richard 1 Feb 1707/1708 to above

Maryа 21 Jan 1720 Henry & Mary Knowler


Birth at Wingham

Hester 24 Nov 1700 to John Knowler and Elizabeth Sharry

Anne 28 April to above

Regards Chris



Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Tuesday 28 December 10 12:49 GMT (UK)
Hello Chris many thanks for all the info. I have found a christening of a John Knowler 3 May 1676 s. of John and Catherine Knowler, St. Alphage, Canterbury, which I shall keep a note of.
Regarding John and Elizabeth Knowler, in Adisham, they c. 2 children there, Elizabeth 1693, Henry 1696, I wondered if this is the same family that the started to have children in Wye from 1698 onwards.

Regards, Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: chris knowler on Tuesday 28 December 10 13:01 GMT (UK)
The problem is with the common christian names their is so many John and Elizabeth about it is hard to find out what one is what is what.

Pity there was no BMD index and census then, make things a lot easy, but then take the fun away.

Chris
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: finnisfinder on Friday 14 January 11 17:46 GMT (UK)

Does anyone have Sarah Knowler bap 14th May 1733 in Ash near Sandwich? Possibly married to John Spratling 1749 at Ash.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Friday 14 January 11 17:56 GMT (UK)
Sorry finnisfinder, I haven't, but while I am here I have Finneas and Finnis in St Margarets Atcliffe.

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: finnisfinder on Saturday 15 January 11 19:33 GMT (UK)

If you put in a search for     Surname Finnis....... there are a number of posts.

Finnisfinder.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Saturday 15 January 11 19:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks, I will do that.

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: David Boulding on Wednesday 11 January 12 00:14 GMT (UK)
What notes do you have on Eliz Boulden who married Henry Knowler? Thanks
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Wednesday 11 January 12 08:27 GMT (UK)
None at all, regards, Brenda
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: watney on Wednesday 11 January 12 10:13 GMT (UK)
Hello David, I have checked the PR's for both Boughton Aluph and Wye

Boughton Aluph

Henry KNOWLES ba. of Wye m. Elizabeth Boulden  wit. Henry Boulden and John Epps


Wye PR's
Frances dau. of Henry and Elizabeth KNOWLES c. 11 November 1786

No other mention in Wye of either Henry KNOWLES or Knowler,
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: lisingreece on Wednesday 11 January 12 12:08 GMT (UK)
I too have this from the IGI my notes say, they married 8/10/1786

Lis
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: David Boulding on Friday 17 February 12 21:08 GMT (UK)
I have Elizabeth Boulden married Henry Knowler 1786 Sellindge or Boughton Aluph. (One of MY Bouldens/ings)

I have Thomas Bowldynge apprentice to Isaac Knowler, grocer, 1609. (probably one of MY Bouldings)

James Knowler of Hernehill 1801 witness to Will
║Source: Consistory Court of Canterbury Vol.67 folio 218, иии
║Probate 12 Nov 1803↓ииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииии
║Elizabeth Curling, sen'r of Hernhill, will dated 6 Sep 1803↓
║son John, executor↓иииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииии
║daughter Elizabeth Baker↓иииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииииии
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Foad Family Kent on Saturday 14 July 12 18:59 BST (UK)
I have found two graves at Chilham Churchyard which you may be interested in. a John Knowler and two wives called Sarah and a Samuel and sarah Knowler.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Romany Knaves on Thursday 26 July 12 18:30 BST (UK)
Hi'
Just browsing and spotted that Faversham was not mentioned the Town has had  Knowler's living there for a few hundred years,one noted is a Thomas Knowler Mayor 1688 who gave two alms-houses to two poor widows in Tanner Street in the presentation of the heirs of John Knowler Esq,if it may be of help.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Wednesday 15 August 12 01:53 BST (UK)
Hi I also have Knowlers in Chilham and wonder if there is any connection with anyone researching Knowlers here. My line starts with Henry Knowler who married Hester [or Esther] Packman in 1669 in Chilham. They had 7 children that I know of [although the Wills of Henry and Hester mention others]:

Elizabeth b 1670 Chilham
Margaret b 1672 Chilham d before 1673 Chilham
Margaret b 1673 Chilham
Hannah b 1674 Chilham
Satales b 1678 Chilham
Samuel b 1678 Chilham
William b 1680 Chilham


Samuel married Sarah Hyron [accirding to the IGI but this could be a mistranscription!] at Canterbury on 11 January 1699.  They also had 7 children including another Samuel b1717 from who I dececnd.

MAtt
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Tuesday 05 November 13 02:07 GMT (UK)
I have found two graves at Chilham Churchyard which you may be interested in. a John Knowler and two wives called Sarah and a Samuel and sarah Knowler.

Hi there

I have just come across this post while looking to see if anyone can photograph some graves in Chilham churchyard for me. This is an exciting find as the Knowlers are among my ancestors, and I suspect these ones are my ancestors. Do you have photos of the graves and if so would you be able to email me copies? When did Samuel, John and the two Sarah Knowlers died? There are several Samuel and Sarah Knowlers in my direct line so I will have to check who this relates to.

Anyhow I hope you can help
Best Wishes
Matthew (Excited!)
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Tuesday 05 November 13 02:15 GMT (UK)
Hi All

Just getting back into my family history after a lapse of some 8 years.  My line stem from Chilham then back to John(1420) i have always found a lot of confusion round the Chilham Knowler's, with the early rich ones and then my line but intermingled with my line is some other Knowlers that at the moment can't figure out, but now i am retired hope to make some headway.

If i can be of any help please ask, as i have loads of info on unconnected Knowler's mostly from Kent.

I was born and bred in Kent and still here.

Anyway i wish you all a happy New Year.

Hi there

Just read your message with interest. I have three generations of Knowler ancestors in Chilham back in the 17th and 18th century and would very much be interested in any information which can take them back further.

Do you have a family tree for the Knowlers which you can send me? Hopefully we can share our information on the family.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Matthew
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Foad Family Kent on Wednesday 06 November 13 19:47 GMT (UK)
Just in case it is useful, I photographed many readable stones in St Mary's Chilham on the upper section, lower to be done
Suzannah

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16810493@N06/sets/72157630542721680/
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Wednesday 06 November 13 22:32 GMT (UK)
Just in case it is useful, I photographed many readable stones in St Mary's Chilham on the upper section, lower to be done
Suzannah

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16810493@N06/sets/72157630542721680/

Hi

Thanks for the link, those are brilliant photos. I have already found my ancestors graves! Is there any chance you would be able to send me copies as I would love to see/read the inscriptions and have photos of my ancestors graves.

I went to Chilham several years ago when I started tracing my family tree but I didn't realise I had so many Chilham ancestors then lol!. Do you have a list of names mentioned on the memorials you have photographed?

Anyhow thanks again for the link and it would be great if I could get copies of some of the images.

Best Wishes

Matthew
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Wednesday 06 November 13 22:36 GMT (UK)
Just in case it is useful, I photographed many readable stones in St Mary's Chilham on the upper section, lower to be done
Suzannah

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16810493@N06/sets/72157630542721680/

Hi

Thanks for the link, those are brilliant photos. I have already found my ancestors graves! Is there any chance you would be able to send me copies as I would love to see/read the inscriptions and have photos of my ancestors graves.

I went to Chilham several years ago when I started tracing my family tree but I didn't realise I had so many Chilham ancestors then lol!. Do you have a list of names mentioned on the memorials you have photographed?

Anyhow thanks again for the link and it would be great if I could get copies of some of the images.

Best Wishes

Matthew

Just found out how to make the images bigger lol. Will it be ok to get copies of the ones relating to my ancestors?
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Wednesday 06 November 13 23:00 GMT (UK)
Just in case it is useful, I photographed many readable stones in St Mary's Chilham on the upper section, lower to be done
Suzannah

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16810493@N06/sets/72157630542721680/

Wow I found two ancestral graves in a few seconds!

Do you have a transcription of what is on the grave of Henry Knowler (husband of Frances and Esther)? I can make most out in the photo but not all of it. I hope you can help.

Matt

Many thanks again.
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Foad Family Kent on Monday 18 November 13 16:26 GMT (UK)
Sadly all I could make out...

Here lyeth the body of Henry Knowler, husband of Frances and Esther Knowler by ????  ??? children ????? by his second
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: MattD30 on Wednesday 20 November 13 22:11 GMT (UK)
Sadly all I could make out...

Here lyeth the body of Henry Knowler, husband of Frances and Esther Knowler by ????  ??? children ????? by his second

That's ok, I can make out a bit at the bottom. Maybe I'll just have to make a visit to Chilham lol

I see you are intereste in the name Goodwin in Blean, what period are you interested in? I have some Goodwins in that area.

I understand you are also interested in All names in Margate and Whitstable. I am interested in the following names in those areas and would be interested to know if you have anything on these:

Margate area (including Thanet):
NORWOOD, [other names to follow]

Whitstable:
SMITH

Matthew
Title: Re: Knowler family
Post by: Foad Family Kent on Sunday 24 November 13 18:36 GMT (UK)
I do not have either in my own family tree but the Norwoods always crop up in Thanet!