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Hi there! Looking for Walsh and Pithman.
My Great Grandparents Bridget Walsh 1901-1958 and Paul Pithman 1901-1983.
They had several children, some stayed in Wexford, and some moved to England, My grandmother settled in and around London. I met family in Wexford in the mid 90s when I visited with my grandmother( daughter of Bridget and Paul -- also named Bridget, -- known as Brenda Pithman, born 1937, the youngest child who left Ireland at the age of 14. -- married Name Cox. We stayed with my nan's sister in Wolfe Tone villas, a few doors away, in the same street my nan Brenda grew up in. We spent most of our time with my nan's other sister -- Nan,( her name is Nan! ) who lived just around the corner, near the pub (can't remember what the pub was called ) We went there a couple of times. Most of aunt Nan's children live in Ireland! I managed to Trace Paul Pithman, his parents and siblings on the 1901 and 1911 irish census. The problem I have is tracing back further, and tracing Bridget's side of the family -- the Walsh's! I'm unable to get information on Bridget's Walsh's parent's and siblings, as my mother doesn't know. I just want to trace my ancestors as far back as I can go, and to learn more about my great grandmother Bridget Walsh, who was much loved by my grandmother Brenda.
Paul Pithman's parents were Paul and Annie. It has been known for their name to be spelt Pitman. Also Paul Pitman Jnr had another child out of wedlock!
My great grandfather Paul Pithman's Siblings: Joseph, William, James, Thomas, Mary and Anastasia --Their parents: Paul and Annie. ( Don't know Annie's Maiden name)
Hi Carrieanne 1
I can't help you on the Walsh's but I do have some info re the Pitham's. In the 1911 census Paul & Annie & family are living next door to my Grandfather's family, the Dalton's. As my GF (Thomas) was born in Sept 1900 and your G.GF Paul Junior was born in Feb 1901 it's highly likely they would have been school pals!! By 1915 the Dalton family had moved to Barrack St which by co-incidence is the street where the Pithams lived in 1901!
I assume Paul's younger brother Thomas is the same Thomas Pitham who later lived in Saltee Avenue which is also where my GF moved to in 1948 until he died in 1976. Thomas Pitham was married to a 'Lizzie Walsh' - both are buried in Crosstown Cemetery. Maybe Lizzie and Bridget Walsh were sisters!
My Mother was best friends with 3 of their daughters: Nancy, Rose & Betty Pitham. I understand that Nancy's 'Grannie Walsh' lived at the top end of Bride Street.
Below I have attached a part copy of James Pittam's 1904 Bapt entry in the Bride St Church parish register. (Birth 3rd Oct, Bapt 4th Oct) This seems to confirm Annie's maiden name of 'Duggan' for you. The sponsors are Thomas Pender & Annie White.
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In the 1911 census Paul & Annie & family are living next door to my Grandfather's family, the Dalton's.
Actually I'm mistaken on that one. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Bride_Street__part_of/
It appears from the list of surnames that the Pitham's & Dalton's are neighbours but the list is a combination of two Enumerators returns as a Parish boundary splits the road in two. There is the St Mary's Parish half (the lower part of Bride Street in which the Dalton's lived) and the St Bridgets Parish half (the top part where the Pithams lived, known I think as Bride Place).
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Thank you so much for replying back to me. You must think I'm rude for not replying! :o
I received no email notifications on your reply. I am really sorry. It took quite some time for me to find
this post.
I believe the Bapt record you attached IS James Pithman -- younger brother to my Great grandfather Paul.
James Pithman moved to and died in Glamorgan, Wales in 1983.
Perhaps Lizzie and Bridget were sisters. I will look that up.
I am going to Wexford in may to do a little research on the Walsh's. There are so many of them. I guess this is why I'm finding it hard to pinpoint my relatives.
Thank you again for your reply, I will use this information in my search for the Pithman's and Walsh's
Carrie-Anne :D
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Hi I am a descendant of James Pithman my Grandfather born 1904 who was Pauls brother, James was sent to wales in 1922 for being involved in the Irish uprising and did Die in 1983.
Their father was Paul Pithman 1875 and came from the area of Wexford known as Faythe he was married to Anni Duggan b1879, his Father was William b.1855c and married to Ellen Walsh b.1855c. If this information is useful to you please let me know.
regards, James
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Thank you so much! This information is fantastic. I've been struggling for so long researching the Pithman's -- so pleased to learn my 3rd Great grandparents are William and Ellen -- It's such a relief to finally know.
I believe that my Great grandfather Paul was also involved in the Irish uprising.
It's Great to hear from you...You have made my day!
Carrie-Anne
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Hi, I'm pleased you like the info if you want I have Pauls other brothers and sisters names.
Jim
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Hi, Yes please! That would be great. Thank you!
Do you know William and Ellen's birth place?
Pithman's are hard to find in Ireland, especially when there's other variants such as Pitman/Pittman. The only Pithman's i can find are on Familysearch.org from 1900s onwards and they are my/our Pithman relativeness in Ireland.
I found a Mary Ellen Pithman; Married in Wexford 1845, on the same site. That's the earliest date I can find for a Pithman in Ireland.
There are many Pithman's on England Censuses in the 1800s, and I've also found 2 German Pithman's, one on the 1891 England Census; Albert Pithman age 28, Lodger, who was born in Germany. I found a Johann Pithman on Familysearch.org; married in Germany 13 Feb 1729, no info on his whereabouts after that.
There were many Pithman's on the American 1800 and 1900s Census.
Obviously I'll have to keep an open mind here, because I can't make any connections with these other Pithman's. I do bear in mind that perhaps Pithman may not be the original spelling of the family name and also distant relatives may use variants of Pittman/Pitman.
Thanks again.
Carrie-Anne
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Hi, Do you have a GenesReunited account as my tree is there?
Jim
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Yes I do have a GenesReunited account. I've not created any family trees on the account as yet, but I do have an Ancestry account where i research and store all my information. If you would like to view any info you're more than welcome.
My account for GenesReunited is Carrie-Anne.
Thank you Jim.
Carrie-Anne
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Here are the headstones for what is possibly Paul Pitham Senior & Junior in Crosstown Cemetery, Wexford Town.
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Headstones of two further Pitman's in Crosstown cemetery.
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Here are the parish church Baptism entries for the elder brothers of Paul Pittam Jnr - sons of Paul & Annie Pittam:
a) Joseph Pittam: b 26/12/1896 (bap: 28/12/1896) aged 4 in 1901 census
b) William Pittam: b 02/08/1899 (bap: 03/08/1899) aged 2 in 1901 census
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I can't thank you enough. These photos are great! I just found out that the headstone of Paul and Bridget was replaced by a great uncle of mine due to the previous headstone being in poor condition.
;D
My apologies to all for not being on here for a while. I just bought a new computer after my old one packed up!
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Hi Carrie-Anne,
Thank you for the photos and information a great addition to my records, sorry I have not been in touch for such a Long time I don't log on very often as I'm away a lot.
I hope you had a great time in Ireland and found the relatives that you were looking for.
Thank you again
Regards
Jim
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I have just been researching my family history for my daughters school project and have come across your post.
My Great Grand Parents are Paul and Annie
My Grand Parents are Thomas and Lizzie
My Father is Thomas
And my Aunties are Nancy. Betty and Rosie.
I was talking to my Dad and his uncle is Paul, your Grandfather.
And thanks to your post I can now add two more to my Family tree so I thank you.
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Well I'd like to start this message with Hi family ;D
Tintin I cant seem to reply to your PM as this site wont let me. I hail from Thomas Pitman the brother of Paul and James, the son of Paul and Annie.Its truly amazing the breath of a family and how far it extends.
I was talking to my Dad yesterday and he was telling me how Paul used to spell his name Pithman, and his brother Tom (my grandfather) used to call himself Pitman.
I was looking on line last night and there was mention of a William Pithman in Wexford C1755 I wonder if he's related I hope so!!
I also seem to remember something my Dad said about working for Paul rowing across to the Ferry bank for 2 pence a day.
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My Great Grand Parents are Paul and Annie
My Grand Parents are Thomas and Lizzie
My Father is Thomas
And my Aunties are Nancy. Betty and Rosie.
My Mum who was friends with your Aunt Nancy has a photograph taken outside your Grandparents house in Saltee Avenue in the early 1950's which includes the three Aunties you mention and your Uncle P plus three other kids who I can’t name here as they may still be living.
Your Grandmother Lizzie Pitman was a ‘Walsh’ and the following obituary is for her Father James Walsh, your G GF, who died in 1950 aged 83. (Mrs T Pitman from Saltee Ave is named as his daughter)
Source: The People 11//11/1950
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Hi Carrie-Anne,
Thank you for the photos and information a great addition to my records, sorry I have not been in touch for such a Long time I don't log on very often as I'm away a lot.
I hope you had a great time in Ireland and found the relatives that you were looking for.
Thank you again
Regards
Jim
Hi, No worries! I've not been on here for some time now. I find all of this research very rewarding yet sometimes quite draining, so i take time off now and again.
Thank you again for your info, you've been a great help.
Take Care.
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I have just been researching my family history for my daughters school project and have come across your post.
My Great Grand Parents are Paul and Annie
My Grand Parents are Thomas and Lizzie
My Father is Thomas
And my Aunties are Nancy. Betty and Rosie.
I was talking to my Dad and his uncle is Paul, your Grandfather.
And thanks to your post I can now add two more to my Family tree so I thank you.
Hi there, it's great to hear from you! It's amazing how we all branch out.
My Grandmother Bridget, daughter of Paul Pithman mentioned her grandparents Paul and Annie. I don't think she was very close to them, or even remembered a great deal because she moved to England when she was 14 years old. My profile picture is of my Grandmother Bridget on the day of her Holy Communion . Her Mother was also named Bridget, nee Walsh, I wonder if she was ever related to Lizzie Walsh. Two Walshe's married into the Pitman/Pithman Family....?
I hope the school project went well!
Thank you so much for your reply
Carrie-Anne
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Well I'd like to start this message with Hi family ;D
Tintin I cant seem to reply to your PM as this site wont let me. I hail from Thomas Pitman the brother of Paul and James, the son of Paul and Annie.Its truly amazing the breath of a family and how far it extends.
I was talking to my Dad yesterday and he was telling me how Paul used to spell his name Pithman, and his brother Tom (my grandfather) used to call himself Pitman.
I was looking on line last night and there was mention of a William Pithman in Wexford C1755 I wonder if he's related I hope so!!
I also seem to remember something my Dad said about working for Paul rowing across to the Ferry bank for 2 pence a day.
Hi there! That's right, we're the only branch that seemed to have taken on the Spelling Pithman. The family over here in England still spell it that way haha.
Wow Great story you have there about Paul rowing across the ferry bank! I found out recently during my trip to Wexford that Paul was a fisherman.
I will have a look at that William Pithman.
It's great to hear from you!
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My Great Grand Parents are Paul and Annie
My Grand Parents are Thomas and Lizzie
My Father is Thomas
And my Aunties are Nancy. Betty and Rosie.
My Mum who was friends with your Aunt Nancy has a photograph taken outside your Grandparents house in Saltee Avenue in the early 1950's which includes the three Aunties you mention and your Uncle P plus three other kids who I can’t name here as they may still be living.
Your Grandmother Lizzie Pitma :)n was a ‘Walsh’ and the following obituary is for her Father James Walsh, your G GF, who died in 1950 aged 83. (Mrs T Pitman from Saltee Ave is named as his daughter)
Source: The People 11//11/1950
That newspaper clipping is very interesting!
Still not sure if I am related to this Walsh family yet, i will certainly look into it.
Thanks Shorts, you're a credit to this website!
Take care :)
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Think I may have found a brother of my/our GG grandfather Paul Pitman (snr)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001303032/
Residents of 115 in The Fythe.
My GG Grandfather Paul Pitman snr was aged 25 and G grandfather Paul jnr was aged 1 month in the 1901 census. They lived in Barrack Street.
G Grandfather Paul Pithman jnr was born in Fythe and he was also a fisherman.
Let me know what you think!
Thanks ;D
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Hi Carrie Anne,
I just read your last post and thought I would show you Paul senior's Marriage certificate.
Jim (tintinn)
Moderator Note : Full certs are not permitted on RootsChat.
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Thank you! Very interesting to find out that William Pitman and Thomas Duggan are my 3rd Great Grandfathers.
I feel the need to dig into the Duggan's past :)
Take care ;D
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Dear all
Thanks for this thread. Although I have been researching my family tree for 25 years I have never looked at the Irish side as I thought it was too difficult to find out information but thanks to all your reseach I can see we have the same ancestors.
We are descended from William b 2 Aug 1899, son of Paul and Annie. I think William came over to England in the 30s and remained here until his death. The family name here was always spelt Pitman.
I thought Pitman would be a really common Irish name but doesn't appear to be so in Wexford. However I find it quite strange the number of Pitmans who married into the Walsh family(ies). My William Pitman also marrked an Ellen Walsh.
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Hi, My Name is James Pitman
My G/Grandfather was Paul Pitman but in Wexford in the 1800's it was spelt Pitham, Pitam and sometimes pithman.
My Grand Father was James younger brother to william.
Paul's parents were William Pitham and Ellen Walsh 1855c, as you may have noticed the Pithams and the Walsh's tend to
marry each other.
Williams Parents were James Pitham and Maggie Howard 1825c
Can you tell me where in England William settled?
Regards Jim.
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We are descended from William b 2 Aug 1899, son of Paul and Annie. I think William came over to England in the 30s and remained here until his death. The family name here was always spelt Pitman.
I thought Pitman would be a really common Irish name but doesn't appear to be so in Wexford. However I find it quite strange the number of Pitmans who married into the Walsh family(ies). My William Pitman also marrked an Ellen Walsh.
William appears to have still been a PITHAM when he married on 23rd July 1923 per the Rowe Street church parish register.
His brother Joseph when he married on 2nd July 1922 was a PITHMAN. Witnesses were Paul Pitham & Bridget Walsh (Hill Street)
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Hi Jim alias Tintinn
Thanks for the info. Do you still live in Ireland?
Our branch of the family settled in Surrey where most of the descendents are although one of the family went to live in Glasgow.
I believe one of William's children visited Ireland each year to meet up with family.
I have a picture of William and Ellen which I could post on this site if anyone would like to see it.
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Dear shorts
Thanks for the various spelling of the surname, was it always pronounced the same?
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Hi, Mandyric
I have never lived in Ireland, my Grandfather moved over to wales in 1922 during the Irish uprising's.
My family still live in wales but I live in Hampshire.
The names are pronounced as they are spelt just think of the old Irish accent in the 1800;s
Regards Jim
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We are descended from William b 2 Aug 1899, son of Paul and Annie. I think William came over to England in the 30s and remained here until his death. The family name here was always spelt Pitman.
I thought Pitman would be a really common Irish name but doesn't appear to be so in Wexford. However I find it quite strange the number of Pitmans who married into the Walsh family(ies). My William Pitman also marrked an Ellen Walsh.
William appears to have still been a PITHAM when he married on 23rd July 1923 per the Rowe Street church parish register.
His brother Joseph when he married on 2nd July 1922 was a PITHMAN. Witnesses were Paul Pitham & Bridget Walsh (Hill Street)
Paul Pithman and BRIDGET WALSH my great Grandparents :) Thanks guys
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Hi Jim alias Tintinn
Thanks for the info. Do you still live in Ireland?
Our branch of the family settled in Surrey where most of the descendents are although one of the family went to live in Glasgow.
I believe one of William's children visited Ireland each year to meet up with family.
I have a picture of William and Ellen which I could post on this site if anyone would like to see it.
I would really love to see that photo! Surrey!! Amazing! same as me :0) I also have family still in Ireland. The eldest child of Bridget and Paul Pithman which is my grandmothers sister, just passed away
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My GG Grandfather Paul Pitman snr was aged 25 and G grandfather Paul jnr was aged 1 month in the 1901 census. They lived in Barrack Street.
G Grandfather Paul Pithman jnr was born in Faythe and he was also a fisherman.
According to his baptism record Paul Pittam (jnr) was born on 17th Feb 1901 in Barrack Street not the Faythe.
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Per the parish church baptism register Paul and Annie had moved to the Faythe by early January 1903 when their next son Michael was born. I guess he died in infancy as he's not in the 1911 census.
A sponsor is Mary Pitham, not sure who she is as there doesn't appear to be a Mary Pitham/Pittam/Pitman in the 1901 census!
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Thank you shorts! not been on here for a while! Hope you're doing well! i really appreciate you posting my G Grandfathers baptism record for me. ;D
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Per the parish church baptism register Paul and Annie had moved to the Faythe by early January 1903 when their next son Michael was born. I guess he died in infancy as he's not in the 1911 census.
A sponsor is Mary Pitham, not sure who she is as there doesn't appear to be a Mary Pitham/Pittam/Pitman in the 1901 census!
very interesting!!! Yes Mary Pitham mmm?? Don't believe I've come across a Mary before....I'llkeep an eye out for that one. Thanks :0)
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Hi, Mandyric
I have never lived in Ireland, my Grandfather moved over to wales in 1922 during the Irish uprising's.
My family still live in wales but I live in Hampshire.
The names are pronounced as they are spelt just think of the old Irish accent in the 1800;s
Regards Jim
Hi there. Not been on this site for quite a while and I'm writing this message by mobile phone so I hope this works :) after sifting through my grandmothers photos I found some interesting stuff. First of all, I found a photo of the original headstone of Bridget, Paul, Mary and John pithman. I noticed that this headatone was spelt pitman, whereas the updated headstone is spelled Pithman. Also I have attached a photo that conforms what I was told my my grandmother, that her mother, Bridget was a walsh. Im assuming that the photo I've attached regarding William Walsh was Bridgets father... More evidence to get me digging again. I will look through my photos again, and hopefully share these. :)
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I'm having a little trouble uploading my photos. I'll get this done over the weekend :)
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Hope you're doing well shorts!! I'll be posting some photos over the weekend. I have some
Pretty good ones and have a couple of photos at community events. I'm hoping some people on this site will be able to recognise any relatives :)
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hello, I am looking into my husband's paternal line and feel we must fit into this thread but can't quite work it out. Maybe cousins? Perhaps some one can help me join the dots? Certainly this makes very interesting reading.
My husbands family as follows:
GF is William James Pittham born 9/5/1900 in Batt St. married Mary Pender 18/5/19. died 4/1/66 London
GGF William Pitham b ?1875 in enniscorthy married Margaret Howard 13/7/1893. 1901 census lived 115 Faythe
GGGF ? James Pitham B about 1851 died 26/5/1883 in wexford gaol
GGGF William Pitham b about 1824 died 5/9/1884 wexford workhouse
thank you, maybe we might even have some family left in ireland
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Hi,
Has anyone started up a family tree that we can try and fill the gaps in?
My grandfather and grandmother were William (Bill) Pithman and Elsie Pithman. I believe Brenda and Nan were my grandfather's sisters. Brenda and Nan came to stay with us in the UK when i was young. I would really like to trace the family!
Heidi Pithman