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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: nedda on Sunday 18 May 08 11:54 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Wondering if someone can point me in the right direction I am looking for a online site where I can check a birth record. I have her down as Isabella Harold born abt 1826 Armagh.
I did find on the Armagh Ancestry Online site a Isabella Herald born 1825 in Armagh.
Is there another website that I can hit to get this information, as I am a bit too far away to go into any offices. On the Armagh Ancestry Site, just to look at the record it was 5 Euro, and I think prefered a minimum credit of 40 Euro's (which worked out about A$65). On one site here you only pay A$1 to view the entry or some are free, so I thought A$8, just to view the entry was a little steep. If it's the only site that I can get the info, then I will have to bite the bullet, but I thought the "guru's" on this site might have some alternatives for me.
Thanks for any help you can give.
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Unfortunately, Irish research does tend to be more expensive than most, and the site you have found, whilst I would agree it can be costly to use, it is probably cheaper than the few other alternatives.
In your case, an 1826 entry is pre official registration, so will most likely be details from a church register. To research such yourself, you would need to know which church and then attempt to gain info from places such as PRONI or directly from church in question.
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You can just pay the 5 euros to look at one entry. That is the minimum requirement, not 40 euros. I only pay 5 euros at a time. It's the only online Armagh site that I know of, and if you choose the right entry, good value. Good luck RosemaryJoan
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Emerald Ancestry also has a lot of Armagh birth and marriage info not always quite as detailed as the other sitres, but a month or 6 month subscription makes it a lot cheaper to go hunting - it is on a subscription basis and I often use it to narrow down which ones I will go the sxtra expense to pay per view @ Euro5 per go. I do find some diffrences at time between the number of entries on the 2 websites
That said, they seldom have pre 1864 recirds and I couldn't find your Isabella on there
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In your case, an 1826 entry is pre official registration, so will most likely be details from a church register. To research such yourself, you would need to know which church and then attempt to gain info from places such as PRONI or directly from church in question.
Hi, OK your help please! You mention about finding out the church, how do I do this. If I get the birth information from Armagh Ancestry Online will it have the church listed? And that's if it's the right person!
Thanks
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The information in original baptismal entries can vary according to the religion, church, the period and the clergyman. At the very least you'll probably get the child's name, date of baptism and perhaps the father. If you are very lucky the mother's Christian name and the townland might be listed and even rare might be the mother's maiden name.
Going by the samples listed on Armagh Ancestry it isn't clear that you will get the exact name of church:
http://armagh.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sample.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase#baptism
New Link- http://armagh.rootsireland.ie/
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I echo aghadowey's reply.
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Hi,
A while ago I did ask about information on Armagh. So I finally bit the bullet, as I had danced around and couldn't get the information.
So I have found a Isabella Herald born 1-Oct-1825 - Armagh, Co Armagh, Roman Catholic, Father: Thomas Herald - mother: Margaret Durkin - Sponsor 1: John Durkin - Sponsor 2 Anne Duffy
OK so I was originally after information about Isabella Harrold born 1826, who we have her parents were down as Thomas and Margaret Derigan, so it's pretty close. I tried to search for her sister Margaret born 1827, and brother William born 1830, but haven't found anything.
So any idea's at how to find more on the family??
Thanks
Nedda
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OK to add also to what I have just posted:
Thomas Harold - Margaret Durcan - married 3 Jan 1818 - Armagh, Co Armagh
Roman Catholic - both not married.
Wife's father - blank Durcan - Husband's father - blank Harold
Witness 1 - John Durcan (funny that name pops up again)
Witness 2 - Jas Hoey ?
So I am thinking that this may be our family, but why wouldn't I be able to find information on the other 2 kids?? Have found information on the brother William's death which has his Birth listed as ARAM - presuming this is Armagh.
Many thanks for any information/help.
Nedda
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There are several possible reasons why you are not finding Isabella's siblings-
1) not baptised in same church
2) baptism in same church not recorded (a common occurance in early records)
3) church records incomplete in database
4) church records incomplete in register
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I can't get into Aghadowey's link from 2008!
Has someone got a web address for Armagh Ancestry?
Kooky
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Now here- http://armagh.rootsireland.ie/
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Thank you!
Kooky
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Hi Aghadowey,
Thanks for your reply. Hmm so guessing that if any of those things occured then we basically have very little chance of finding information on the siblings??
I did a bit more research last night and found a 1798 birth of a Margaret Durkan in Co Armagh, 1796 birth Thomas Harrold Co Limerick and a 1828 Margaret Harrold in Co Limerick. So next time I'm up on there I'll have to look into those ones.
Thanks
Nedda
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Limerick is nowhere near Armagh so I'm wondering if you are just grasping at straws here trying to find anyone :-\
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Yeah that was in the back of my mind too.
That's the only Thomas Harrold I can find, so our problem is that we are going to have to get the information so that I can weed out the no's from the possible's.
A lovely lady has been getting information on the family in Victoria, AUS which included information on Thomas's death. There is a death for a Thomas Herold aged 67 years whose birthplace is TYRO. That is the only death in the Geelong area in 1855, but from his gravestone it states he was 61 years old, and mentions being a son of Armagh! So this is where we presumed he was born in Armagh, but thinking now it may not be the case. He might have been born elsewhere, but grew up around Armagh.
This family is doing my head in :o - there is nothing simple with anything we do in researching them. Including have no idea how they came to Aust, as can't find them on any immigration documents. Even trying to get his death cert - system says there is no record of his death, but a gravestone.
nedda
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remember that RootsIreland does not have records for all of Ireland and in addition not all parishes have records back to the time you are looking for..
Shane
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Thanks for that Shane, may I ask is there somewhere else that I should be looking??
Nedda
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Thanks for that Shane, may I ask is there somewhere else that I should be looking??
Nedda
that depends on what county or parish .. not all counties records are online
Shane
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OK,
So we believe it's Armagh, but are waiting on some information relating to the death certificate. If the death cert is for the fellow we have recently found, then apparently he was born in TRYO, so presuming this mean Co Tyrone.
The 3 kids all have Armagh down as their birthplace. I have found a marriage for a Thomas Harrold & Margaret Durcan in Armagh. Have found, but haven't checked it out a birth in 1798 for a Margaret Durkan in Co Armagh.
Thanks for your help :)
Nedda
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I would stick to Co. Armagh and maybe neighbouring townlands and parishes, rather than looking at other parts of Ireland... even if you did find possible records elsewhere, linking them to your Harrold family could be very difficult.
Shane