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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: atcarr on Monday 20 December 10 22:08 GMT (UK)
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I am researching my great great relative Lillias Hosman (male) and I cannot find his father or further records. He had children Osa, Enos, and Lillias, why these strange names and what was his mother and father called. has anyone been able to get back any further or do they know why the names of his children were different. many thanks for any help.
AC
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
1861 census for Sussex - all b Heathfield except wife Ruth
Lilly Hosman 38 ag labourer
Ruth 35 b Herstmonceux
Isabella Ann 16
Lilly Thomas 13
Osa Albert 11
Henry David 9
Enos Enoch 7
Ruth Mary 5
Ellen Bergam 2
Nicholas Hollands lodger 28
RG9 Piece 569 Folio 170 Page 4
Do you have Ruth's maiden name? I cannot find a marriage at the moment for that name but there is one in 1842 in Hailsham which has a Ruth Wood and Lilly Horner on the same page
In 1851 they are indexed as Osmond - image is Osmond. All b Heathfield except Ruth
Lilly Osmond 28 ag labourer
Ruth 24 Herstmonceux
Edward W 8
Isabella A 5
Lilly T 3
Osa A Osmond 1
HO107 Piece 1638 Folio 400 Page 20
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Found the marriage on the IGI BETA site - it was to Ruth Wood
24.9.1842 at Heathfield Sussex
Lilly Hosmer - father Edward
Ruth Wood - father William
https://beta.familysearch.org/
He does not appear to be Lillias as per your post
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Carole,
Thank you, I am very new to this and I would like to trace the family back, through Lilly and Edward his father too see how far I can get. Are there sites I can access to do this on? has anyone already done this I wonder?
Many thanks
Andy
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Hi again,
when I checked the details for Alfred Enos Osman born Mayfield 1895 his father comes up as Enos born in Heathfield 1854? and there is a replica Enos Enoch for same place 1853. Does anyone know if these are the same person? can I expect that records are some times replicated?
Thanks
Andy
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Amongst the membership of Sussex Family History Group is a subscriber who traces their line from a great GRANDFATHER called Lily HOSMER, born c1823 and of Heathfield & Hailsham. Their e mail address can be found by accessing the SFHG Members Interests Website.
A subscriber to Genes Reunited has Lily in their ancestry as well, but as Osman.
You also mention Lily's father was Edward. The 1841 census index for Hailsham has an Edward Hosmer born 1806, an Elizabeth born 1801, and possible children, Edward 1824, Betsy 1831 and Burgain 1835. It may be worth having a look at the original of this.
Roy G
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1841 for Heathfield - all shown as born Sussex
Edward Hosmer 35 agric labourer
Elizabeth 40
Edward 17
Betsy 10
Burgam 6 - female
HO107 Piece 1108/3 Folio 15 Page 23
If you look again at the 1861 census details above - one of Lilly's children was Ethel Bergam
when I checked the details for Alfred Enos Osman born Mayfield 1895 his father comes up as Enos born in Heathfield 1854? and there is a replica Enos Enoch for same place 1853. Does anyone know if these are the same person? can I expect that records are some times replicated?
One and the same person - middle christian names were not always used
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Carol,
Thank you, do you know if Edward was related to the Hosmers of rotherfield as they trace back to 1550?
Many thanks
Andy
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Haven't a clue - 1841 is the first available census
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The jump between 1823 and 1550 is far too big to just accept without some verification. To postively slot it into some else's research, you need to independently find a chain of identical links other than just, 'a surname and place.'
What has failed to turn up so far is any reference to Lily's death.
What I can add though, is that Burgain Hosmer married in 1859 as Burgom Osmond, and can be found on the 1881 census. Her husband was William Hall a prosperous farmer.
Seeing that Osmond surname also provoked an interesting train of thought.
On a visit to England some 30 years ago, the pop group, THE OSMONDS, known Mormons from Salt Lake City, all dined out at a large restaurant in Hurstmonceux. I have no idea whether they had family ties in the area, but they were far off the usual beaten track for people of their considerable popularity? Highly unlikely I know, but it could be a remote possibility!
Roy G
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thanks again for all your help, I have found a refrence to Edward Hosman 1803 born in Mayfield and with Daughter Elizabeth born in Heathfield. Can anyone find a sibling of Lilly called elizabeth,betsy or the father of Edward from Mayfield. I found Titus Hosmer today who is related to the Rotherfield Hosmers and who was a lawyer who signed the first constitution of the US.
Many thanks
Andy
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have found a refrence to Edward Hosman 1803 born in Mayfield and with Daughter Elizabeth born in Heathfield.
What reference are you referring to If it is the 1841 details posted above - Elizabeth was his wife and Betsy was his daughter
As Betsy was only 10 in 1841 - if she married - her marriage should be on freebmd which is free to search yourself www.freebmd.org.uk
Have you checked the IGI for any possible details of Edward - surname is Hosmond in 1851 and birthyear 1806 b Mayfield
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The Edward listed as born c1806 on the 1841 census was in all probability, Lily's father, not his brother. That particular census rounded adult's ages down to the nearest five, so that Edward could have been born any year between 1802-1806. Edward's wife Elizabeth was probably just a year or two older than him (not uncommon) and therefore appears as born c 1801. If that was the case, it would make Edward junior (b c1824) Betsy (b c1831) and Burgain (b c1835) three of your Lily's siblings. Try finding the same family on the 1851 census to [a] get a more precise birth year for Edward & Elizabeth. see if the family is still together and if there have been any further additions to it or losses from it.
Matters arising from the above.
The one thing that still bothers me is that I have not found Lily (or perhaps Elias?) on the 1841 & 1851 censuses, so I wonder if he initially used another name. I am not saying this is the case, but seeing the birth years are so close, you may need to consider if Lily was orginally known as Edward junior. If Lily does not appear until the 1861 census, but Edward Junior has disappeared by then, it could add a little credence to that line of thought.
Roy G
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Roy,
Thanks, everyone has been so helpful here. There seem to be Hosman's and Hosmer's in Mayfield from quite early on. I have now got Edward Hosman/Hosmer born in 1801-3 in Mayfield and I want to go further back to see if the Hosman/Hosmer's of rotherfield are one and the same as they are so closely living and connected. Also it depends on what one is looking at as to which surname is used, I have found Hosmer/Osman/Hosman/Osmond/Osmon..... it seems though that the one surname that is kept early on is Hosmer. Will I have to go back through Birth cirtificates to get each head males father? I have contacted the links you gave and am awaiting a reply. Many thanks again for your excellent help and if anyone knows of a link between the Hosmer's of Rotherfield and Edward Hosman/Hosmer born 1806 please let me know.
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The Edward listed as born c1806 on the 1841 census was in all probability, Lily's father, not his brother. That particular census rounded adult's ages down to the nearest five, so that Edward could have been born any year between 1802-1806.
The 1851 census for Hailsham gives a more precise year and place of birth for the Edward you have as born c1806, but also gives a further variation on the surname. That has him as Edward HOSMOND born Mayfield c1803 and his wife Elizabeth born Walberton c1801. These revised ages would seem to tie in with some of the other findings of yours.
Roy G
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Hi its been nearly a year since I last was on this thread and I have had little time to research the Osmans/Hosmars of Mayfield. Just wondering if there are any others who are Osmans fom the same area or have found any other interesting links at all?
ATC
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Hi
Just as a by the way, the Osman/Hosman/Hosmer surnames caught my attention.
There are many references on the www to a Sarah Hosmer and variants marrying Joseph Longhurst and emigrating to Canada.
After much searching, her surname on the marriage registers from Edenbridge, Kent is Haysman.
Dawn
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Please can all people researching Hosmer email me at (*)
My G Grandfather was Hosea Albert Hosmer with connections to Little Marklye Heathfield.
His son was my Grandfather, Charles.
Hosea's father was Lily Hosmer.
Thanks
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