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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: AMN on Sunday 02 January 11 22:00 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any connection to Michael Nolan born in Queens County in about 1870, this detail comes from the 1901 Census when he lived in Dalkey.
Want to find when he was born, his father also called Michael bur want to find details of mother.
He died in Liverpool in 1925 aged approx 55.
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Is this your Michael on the 1901 census ?
Nolan family, Sorrento Road, Dalkey (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Dalkey/Sorrento_Road/1317318/)
Have you found him on the 1911 census ?
This might give a more detailed place of birth for him, to narrow down your search in Co. Laois.
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
related topic for reference : Richard Altamont Smythe (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,504566.msg3612766.html#msg3612766)
Shane
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Yes it is that entry on the 1901 census, on the 1911 it simply says Co. Dublin. This was why I was trying a different route in trying to find information via his employment.
One of Michael Nolan's sons was William Patrick Nolan, he died in 1977 and is buried in his Mothers grave in Deansgrange Cemetry, mother's name was Mary Ann Nolan (formerly O'Toole), she died in 1913. Also buried in the grave is Williams wife Catherine.
Anything that can point me in the right direction of the correct family would be great.
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Unfortunately Michael Nolan is a quite common name in the midlands, so there are a number of possible matches on the civil index.
There is a possibility in the extracted records on familysearch, but be aware that these records do not always cover all areas, so there could be other possible matches not included.
Name: Michael Nolan
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1872
Birthplace: Ballylinan, Queens County
Father's Name: Michael Nolan
Mother's Name: Mary Hart
Ref No : 467
Note the location shown is probably the registrars district, and may not mean the town of the same name.
The reference number is the page number from the civil register and you can use this to search for the references needed to order a cert from the GRO. This would give more details (such as place of birth and father's occupation) to enable to check if this is the correct birth.
Shane
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Thanks for that but I know that record is not correct. As you say the name is common and I think the real break through will come when another family member recognises the details.
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I have a John Nolan born 1867 in Scotchrath Laois (Near Shanahoe) he married my grandmothers sister.
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Hi
Are you aware of any brothers or sisters to John Nolan, the year may make John the brother of Michael Nolan who is my grandfather.
I think the parents were also called Michael Nolan and Jane Mooney but I cannot be 100% of that yet. If this is the same family I am aware of 4 other names for posiible brothers and sisters as well as Michael and perhaps John.
Angela
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Is the location right?
I am fairly sure I may have other information on John Nolan my primary focus was on his wife as she is my direct line.
Peter
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Hi Peter
Not sure of the location exactly as I am taking some details from the 1901 and 1911 census and from where I know some were born. My grandfather Michael Nolan shows he was born in Queens County which includes Laois.
Does this help?
Angela
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My grandfather Michael Nolan shows he was born in Queens County which includes Laois.
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Queen's county is the old name for Co. Laois..
Shane
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Shane
I am aware of that but not of the exact names of places within the county that the family originated from.
Hopefully Peter may have extra clues.
Angela
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Angela
Scotchrath is in the Abbeyliex area of Queens County
When my Grandmothers sister was first married to John Nolan they lived in house 24 Shanahoe (Clash Queens Co) go onto google and have a look at Shanahoe Laois
Leix Laois and Queens are the same name of the county used at different times
In 1901 there is a Jane Nolan 62 and her 2 sons James 29 and Martin 23 living in Scotchrath
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Hi Peter
Not sure this is same family as Jane is shown as a widow, I would have expected the father of the Michael Nolan I am looking for to be alive then.
Angela
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I have both o'toole's and nolans in my family my grandfather was a William Joesph Nolan and he married kathleen robinson. His mother was Mary Cavanagh. My great grandmother on kathleen Robinson's side, was a kathleen o'toole who married Patrick Robinson. Hope this helps
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Have you any dates for the names you mention as the period I am aware of is around 1890 onwards?
I have a Michael Nolan (c1870-1925) married to a Mary Ann OToole (c1864-1913) one of their children was a William Patrick Nolan (1895-1977) who married a Catherine.
Any connection?
Angela
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Here is my contribution to the Nolan family:
Julia Nolan b May 1819 in Ardfert, Co Kerry, Ireland & 1872 in Mountmellck, Co Laois, Ireland. She married Denis Fitzpatrick and bore at least one child (I sure there are more) Denis D Fitzpatrick in October 1835.
I'd love to hear from other Nolan relatives. :-)
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Hi Angela
I am just going to look over this thread to see where we stand !
Tara
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Hi Angela
I'm not getting any great leads I'm afraid.
Michael Junior's age is the main stumbling block.
In 1901 he says that he was 33 giving him an approx birth year of 1867.
Given that our civil registration began in 1864 it's a tight timeline ~ It was nearly 1900 before it was common everyday practice.
It's also possible that he was older ie born pre 1864 which means we wouldn't get a birth cert at all.
I know he says that he was younger on the 1911 Census but I'm more inclined to go by an earlier census (when we are younger our memory is better ;D).
Land Steward for his father's occupation I thought would through up some good leads but nothing so far.
It's possible that this may have only been his occupation for a while, he could have been a farmer too.
Land Stewards sometimes move with their landlord to other areas that needed attention so again another possible stumbling block.
One thing I noticed was that you were discounting a family based on that you would have imagined that Michael Senior was still alive in 1901.
Michael Junior was born in and around 1867 ~ it's possible that his father could have died the following year ~ who knows ?
Also, with country Irish families you need to, in general, work on the men being a bit older than their wives. Not a hard rule but a general guide.
The County Men I have found to be more in their late 30's early 40's when getting married to a late teen / early twenties girl.
Also, Michael Junior could have been the youngest of the family which pushes our timeline back much further.
Sorry not to have any great leads for you but I'm just trying to explain why you may be finding it so hard to find records.
If I come across anything I shall let you know !
Tara
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This is interesting re Land Stewards in Laois !
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IRL-CARLOW/2014-02/1392750410
Tara
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I will read the details of stewards with interest. As far as I am aware Michael senior was still alive in 1915 when Michael junior got married for a second time to a Bridget Kelly. I know Michael junior eventually was a gardener after being a coachman and a tram driver. He was a gardener in Court na farrage in Killiney by 1917.
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How do you know that Michael Senior was alive in 1915 ?
Tara
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I am presuming it would say deceased on the marriage record if he was as it does not show that I presume he was alive.
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NO !
That's a common mistake that people make.
Some registrars asked and wrote it on the certs, others didn't.
Tara