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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: genealogistsykes on Tuesday 04 January 11 16:49 GMT (UK)
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Sykes Crest - Julia Cesar or someone like that blowing a horn in the sea. Been pased on for generations my grandad got given it by his dad. Anyway of finding it in records ? :)
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Below are the blazons for Sykes from Burke's General Armory and a list of Grantees of Arms:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/plowmans/BLG-Sykes.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/plowmans/Grantees-Sykes.jpg)
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Apologies, the attachments do not seem to work and I cannot delete them. Hopefully, the links to the images work for all.
Back to the original question; To be sure you need to trace your Sykes lineage back to one armigerous Sykes. What exactly is the nature of the item that is passed on from generation to generation?
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My father Mark Sykes had a signet ring with the crest on it, which he says has been passed on by his father Douglas William Sykes, and the passed on from his father Samuel Stanley Sykes - Samuel Stanley Syke's father most of likley passed it down to Samuel S. Sykes not too sure ! :)
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This is an article from an 1898 dictionary, showing what a Triton was supposed to look like.
A demi-triton would presumably be cut off at the waist.
Hope this may be of some help or interest.
Roger
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yes that's it :) it's got the dscription of the sea shell which is what is being blown in the crest :)
A Coat of Arms granted to the Sykes family depicts a black chevron between three sykes or fountains on a silver shield, the Crest being a demi triton issuant from reeds, blowing a shell, and wreathed about the temple with like reeds all proper.
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I think it is significant that you are talking about a crest, correctly described, rather than a shield or full coat of arms.
The crest was often taken from a coat of arms and used to identify silver and other items used by a family. It would also be used on gifts to retainers and lesser family members. The ring may thus have such a derivation.
There is in our family a ring which was presented to an ancestor by a nobleman in the 19th century, and is engraved with his crest. It is a nice piece of history, which we know has no ancestral significance but could, without its provenance, easily be misinterpreted.
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From the Arms described there would have to been some kinship with the Sykes of Sledmore (Baronets) - pedigree as per Burkes Peerage.
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Okay, from what Century are the Sykes of Sledmore from ? :) Time to do some heavy duty research !
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You will find it useful to look at "Sykes Baronets" on Wikipedia which details the various Baronets and their lines.
This shows that the Sledmere Baronetcy was created in 1783 for the Reverend Mark Sykes and that the title has now descended to the eighth Baronet.
David
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ahh okay :) my dad is called Mark Sykes! :) i need to go back further in my fam. only gone back till 1792
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ahh okay :) my dad is called Mark Sykes! :) i need to go back further in my fam. only gone back till 1792.
These might assist:
Burke's Peerage & Baronetage 1833 (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yeo8AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA515&dq=Sykes+of+Sledmore&hl=en&ei=_dYpTbqvIcimhAeM6PnHAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Debrett's Baronetage of England 1835 (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DUcRAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA225&dq=Sykes+of+Sledmore&hl=en&ei=RtkpTfWbL8WwhQewvfjIAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAjge#v=onepage&q&f=false)
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ok thank you very much, if the ring was given to one of my ancestors that'll be weird, but the thing is all my fathers cousins and my grandads side of the family have the rings and my dad has cuff links with the crest on aswell.
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There has to be some sort of family connection between my family and the sledmere's. I've done a family tree for the Sykes' of Sledmere and various children are unknown, maybe one of the unknown children could be my connection?
The family crest has been in my family for generations, i made a mistake earlier on in the topic. The ring wasn't passed on. Every member of my family has had a signet ring with the crest. Also my great grandfather and great great uncle have a gold pocket watch with the crest on the back also.
I've read the papers of the Sykes' of Sledmere and it goes into detail about them moving to Leeds.
Furthermore, a few of Sykes' of Sledmere married more than once, maybe that could also be our connection? The Sykes' of Sledmere are indirectly related to Queen Elizabeth II of England.
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I have just realized what i have said. I am sorry.
I said that a signet ring was passed on, but i am mistaken. My father meant that he got given a signet ring with the crest when he was 21. All of our cousins in England have the family crest as well.
I was a novice last year, sorry for the inconveniance!
The crest that i described appears to be the crest of the Sykes's of Sledmere but now i think that it might not be the sledmeres. It looks like a variation of the following crest. http://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=177171&name=Sykes
I will also attach the signet ring casting that i found yesterday in my grandfathers desk.
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Black = Original Casting!
Red = Testing of Signet ring
I was thinking that our crest could be a different version of the sledmeres one? as we don't have the reeds and the posture of our crest is different.
Our crest looks a lot like the one i posted before:
Family:
Sykes
Blazon:
A Demi-Man In Profile Holding In The Dexter Hand A Fountain And Resting The Sinister Hand On A Whelk-Shell Sa.
Source:
Fairbairn's Book of Crests, 1905 ed.
Underneath the crest it says: Frederick William, J.P., Green Lea, Lindley, Huddersfield
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=177171&name=Sykes
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Sykes of Sledmere Crest:
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestfinder-search/sykes-family-crest
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=177177&name=Sykes
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List of Sykes Crests from 'Fairbairn's Book of Crests'
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Also, our family motto is ' Semper Fidelis' - Always faithful.
Is there anyway in which you can find out if anyone by the name of Sykes was issued/used this motto?
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In the English heraldic tradition the motto is "fluid". Whilst it is illustrated in the Grant of Arms it is not mentioned in the text. It is possible, therefore, for an armiger to change his motto as and when he chooses. In Scottish heraldry it is recorded and as such "fixed". Any change to the Arms or motto requires the intervention of the Lyon Court.
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Oh okay, brilliant, thanks for that.
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Hello,
We acquired by auction this week a silver sauce ladle.
Under the top of the handle there is a crest:-
demi triton, blowing horn held in right hand.
Looks remarkably similar to the image in "cresty2" above.
No discernible shell, but left arm is possibly holding something in the hand or resting.
It is a only the size of a signet ring crest.
After some browsing over the last couple of days we found your topic and postings.
Registered on this website today because we were intrigued to trace the family name and found you.
Now find to our dismay after taking a decent picture that we cannot post and attach the image on this site. The photo is unfortunately 2.54Mb and the limit is 500Kb unless we can find alternative.
Just thought you might have been interested.
The piece is London made and hall-marked for 1887.
No, we are not dealers(!), but the trail is still active judging by the earlier postings.
Regards
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One Sykes crest from Fairbarins
Mike