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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: vivien27 on Wednesday 05 January 11 02:50 GMT (UK)
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looking for information on ronald william blanchard, born early 1900 's in watford married to mary alice wolfendale born unknown many thanks for any ones help
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, this looks like the birth of Ronald:-
Ronald W Blanchard Sept 1912 Watford v3a page 1683 Mothers Maiden name Long
Keyboard86
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thankyou keyboard for your help much appreciated
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Hi
Marriage regd as wolfindale
Mar 1931
Blanchard Ronald W
Wolfindale Mary A
Watford 3a 1317
Ray
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Hi
Looks like he had a sister
Births Sep 1917
Blanchard Evelyn Long
Watford 3a 1177
I'll pm any detail more recent than this.
Ray
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Hi again, I searched for Blanchard/Long marriage in Hertfordshire, and could not locate one so tried for a date near to Rolands birthish, when checking the 1911 index only, this couple were in Bushey(Watford) iWilliam Blanchard and Jessie Blanchard.
Marriage William Blanchard to Jessie Long March 1909 Mile End 1c 439
If you have the means to view the full 1911, check it out, or buy a few credits and you could have his parents, but now you know the birth/marriage, buying the cert/s will confirm!
Keyboard86
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Sorry meant Ronald not Roland!
Keyboard86
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Hi
31/1/1909 St Thomas Church, Stepney
William BLANCHARD, 34 bachelor cheesemonger, 72 Jamaica St,
Father Daniel Blanchard, Licensed Victualler
Jesse LONG, 28 spinster -, 72 Jamaica St,
Father George Long, Sexton
Both signed, Witnesses Ernest Daniel Blanchard & Charlotte Jones
(pm me with your email address if you would like a photocopy of the church registry)
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On that marriage cert his father is a licensed victualler Ernest Daniel Blanchard
In 1901 Bushey census there is The Swan Tavern Park Road
Daniel Blanchard 62 Beerseller Greengrocer born Handley Dorset
Jane 62 ditto
Deadpubs.co.uk has
Daniel Blanchard in the Swan Tavern around 1901
and
William Blanchard in The Swan Tavern 1912 thru 1922
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Ray
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thanks for the information it is very helpful
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Hi again, in 1891 William is shown as a relative to Thomas and Jane Root occ Cheesmonger b Lee Kent
Census Ref RG12/118/9/14
1881
Daniel Blanchard 41 occ Cab Proprieter b Danhead Wilts
Jane b Hundly Dorset
Harry 14 b Eltham Kent
Rose 12 b Eltham
John J 8 b Eltham
William 6 b Lee Kent
Ernest 1 b Lee
22, Hedgly Street Lee Kent
Census Ref RG11/731/112/34
1901
William Blanchard 26 occ Cheesemonger b Lee
Alice 28 b Southall Middx
Annie E B 5 b Chelsea
William 1 b Chelsea
Residing at 29, Denyer Street, Chelsea
Census Ref RG/13/73/85/83
Keyvoard86
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Hi
Back to Mary Wolfendale birth possibles.
Sep 1906 Mary Elizabeth Barton I. 8c 638
Mar 1907 Mary Jane Wigan 8c 105
Sep 1907 Mary Alice Barton I. 8c 618
Mar 1909 Mary Alice Morpeth 10b 475
Sep 1909 Mary Elizabeth Salford 8d 65
Dec 1909 Mary Burnley 8e 196
Jun 1910 Mary Alice Chorlton 8c 841
Dec 1910 Mary A Bury 8c 496
Mar 1911 Mary C Wigan 8c 91
Jun 1912 Mary L (Rydings) Barton I. 8c 1115
Ray
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Marriages Dec 1895
Blanchard William Chelsea 1a 759
Goodger Ellen Georgina Chelsea 1a 759
Kiff Alice Marian Chelsea 1a 759
Tompkins Arthur Chelsea 1a 759
1901
William Blanchard 26 occ Cheesemonger b Lee
Alice 28 b Southall Middx
Annie E B 5 b Chelsea
William 1 b Chelsea
Residing at 29, Denyer Street, Chelsea
Census Ref RG/13/73/85/83
Its the same William as the man married to a Jessie in 1911
cant see the death of an Alice tho ...
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but not to #5 :P
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perfectly clear in the context of the thread (reply#5) and the fact its referencing the 1911 census
when checking the 1911 index only, this couple were in Bushey(Watford) iWilliam Blanchard and Jessie Blanchard.
Marriage William Blanchard to Jessie Long March 1909 Mile End 1c 439
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thank you to everyone who responded to my re quest i really appreciate it and welcome any other information thankyou
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Hi Vivien, just a few more details for you on Ronald W Blanchard and Mary A Blanchard
Ronald W Blanchard Birth 15th August 1912, Death October 1997 Watford Herts aged 85
Registration Number C44D, District/SubDistrict 5361C, Entry Number 48
Possible death of Mary A Blanchard March qtr 1956 aged 46 Watford 4b 373
I also have 2 children by the marriage, and a possible further marriage for Ronald, which I will PM to you ok.
Keyboard86
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I am guilty of having "corrupted" (lol) Vivien into taking up genealogy whilst staying at her home when I was evacuated due to the flood crisis. As she is still new to this, I am helping her as much as I can. However, I have a problem. According to Ray (CroxleyGreen's) message, William Blanchard was a 34 year old bachelor when he married Jesse Long in 1909. According to Mort29's message, he had previously been married to Alice Marian Kiff and if that is the case he would have been a widower not bachelor at the time of his marriage to Jesse. I am therefore inclined to think it is not one and the same William Blanchard. Can anyone throw any further light on this? Many thanks in advance. Cheers. mygirlbill
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Hi mygirlbill, so it was you behind the scenes!
I think the answer may lie in the fact that Mort29 could not also locate a death for Alice, but I can assure you, it is the same man who married Jessie!
Keyboard86
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G'day. Thanks Keyboard for your reply however, I can't say that as yet I am totally convinced. (Middle name is Pessimist) Ha! If I am reading it right, I think that I may have found another discrepency.
According to Ray (CroxleyGreen) "Daniel Blanchard 62 Beerseller etc. etc. born Handley Dorset. Wife Jane." Source 1901 census.
According to your message. "Daniel Blanchard 41, born Danhead Berks, wife Jane born Hundly Dorset." Source 1881 census.
Both these Daniels have a birth year ca. 1839/40, however, places of birth differ. I'm confused.
Calling on all Sherlock Holmes's ! HELP!!!!!
Many thanks in advance. Cheers. mygirlbill
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G'day!
Daniel Blanchard's birth place history:-
1851 Ash Grove Dorset
1861 Don Head St Mary Wilts
1871 Donhead
1881 Donhead ( With Jane/William etc )
1891 Handley Dorset ( With Jane and Ernest b 1880 Violet J b 1883 )
1901 Handley Dorset
Phew!!
Keyboard86
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Hi all,
Bachelor? Widower? Divorcee? He may be a bigamist................
Also the Kiff lady's "name" appears in marriages in/around Watford 4 times in a 25 year period. (I don't want to follow that one up).
As for places of birth, there is one on RC from yesterday where the census enumerator has written the correct place in and then changed the first part (Harefield to Enfield).
Don't forget that the individuals do not complete the census forms (then).
In all cases, take the info we have found, digest it, use as you think fit.
Then tell us what you do (do not) like and we'll try to help.
Good hunting
Ray
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thanks everyone for your help my girl bill is right i am a beginner and not quite sure how to proceed help! we all have skeletons in the closet id like to find mine vivien 27
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G'day Ray. Thank you for your help.
Bigamy is not something that had occurred to me until you mentioned it. The fact Alice Kiff had been married 4 times and that William was a "bachelor" at the time of his second marriage could I suppose mean that the marriage had been annulled. Do you have any idea as to when divorce became legal in the U.K? Do you know of any websites where I can go to and research further into this.
As for the discrepancy's regarding his place of birth. Keyboard has PM'd me to explain how all that came about.
Thank you to everyone for your help. Cheers. mygirlbill
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considering william was married 1909 which would make his birthdate somewhere about 1889 and if daniel was his dad then it would have to be his birth either don head 1861 or ashgrove dorset 1851 please correct me if i am wrong
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Aha!
Donhead in Wiltshire and Handley in Dorset are only 10K apart.
(In English about 6 miles apart)
"Sorted" as they say?
Ray
Subsequent addition, further to Keyboard86 reply #21
Ash Grove Dorset I would take to be .....
Ash Grove Farm, Ashmore, Dorset which is less than 2km from Tollard Royal
Ray
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Hi Viv, when William married in 1909 he was 34 years old so born c 1875, go back to Kitty's (Mygirlbill) 1st post on your thread and you will see ok
Keyboard
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Hi
...and guess what is "halfway" between Donhead and Handley?
You are correct.............Tollard Royal
Daniel Blanchard
Christening: 29 MAY 1837 Tollard Royal, Wiltshire
Parents:
Father: John Blanchard
Mother: Elizabeth
Ray
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Hi
For completeness ........
Please re-read my reply #27
AND ...........
Census 1881 RG11 739 34 Lee, District 13, Page 35
22 Hedgly St
Daniel Blanchard Head 41 Cab Proprtr Danhead Wiltshire
Jane Blanchard Wife 42 Hundly Dorset
Harry Blanchard Son 14 Gardener Eltham Kent
Rose Blanchard Daughter 12 Scholar Eltham Kent
John T. Blanchard Son 8 Scholar Eltham Kent
William Blanchard Son 6 Scholar Lee Kent
Ernest Blanchard Son 1 Lee Kent
1891 RG12 1117 8 Hertfordshire, Bushey, District 8, Page 8
Park Road "Beer House"
Daniel Blanchard Head 51 Beer Retailer Handley Dorsetshire
Jane Blanchard Wife 51Handley
Ernest D Blanchard Son 11 Lee Kent
Violet I Blanchard Dau 8 Lee Kent
Ray
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thankyou its very valuable information sitting trying to work it out and im getting a headache you are all amazing thankyou
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also need some information on joe gascoigne married eva blanchard and had achild linda i have chased up your information on daniel blanchard how many children did william have all the ames i put in doesnt come up i thought he had 4 children harold winifred eva or evelyn and ronald can you help me
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Hi
I think that something has gone missing in the translation?
In words of one syllable so I may understand?
;D ;D
Ray
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Hi Viv, at post 29, Ray very kindly posted the 1891 census for Daniel and Jane which did not include William here he is:-
1891 census:-
Thomas Root 55 occ Saddle Tree Rivetter
Jane 54 b Dorset
Thomas D 22 occ Designer of Fine Arts
George W 24 occ Lead Glazier & Cutter
Edward 19 occ Musical Instrument Maker
William Blanchard 17 occ Cheesemonger b Lee Kent
Blanche Dean 14 b Weymouth Dorset
All other than Jane Root born St Pancras
William and Blanche shown as "Relatives"
Residing at 75, Stanhope Street, St Pancras.
Census Ref RG12/118/9/14
If somone has the time can they work out for Viv, the "Relative" connection for William and Blanche? as I am off line/work for a few days.
Keyboard86
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No probs Keyboard. I am in the process of doing that right now. Many thanks for all your support thus far. Cheers. mygirlbill
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Hi mygirlbill, this may help:-
Marriage Thomas Root to Jane Blanchard Sept 1865 Pancras 1b 6
Keyboard via mobile!
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Hi
(Blanche's ma Ellen Blanchard from Handley?)
Blanche birth detail poss
Blanche Elizabeth Dean
Birth Date: abt 1876
Christening Date: 27 Dec 1876
Christening Place: Weymouth, Dorset, England
Father's name: George Edward Dean
Mother's name: Ellen
1881 RG11 2105 124 33, Melcombe Regis, District 10, Page 33
5 Walpole St
George E. Dean Head 34 Master Bricklayer Weymouth Dorset
Ellen Dean Wife 36 Handley Dorset
George E. Dean Son 14 Weymouth Dorset
William Dean Son 9 Weymouth Dorset
Harry Dean Son 6 Weymouth Dorset
Blanche E. Dean Dau 4 Weymouth Dorset
Ellen L. Dean Dau 3 Weymouth Dorset
Same family ........
1871 RG10 2003 9, Melcombe Regis,District 10, Page 7
5 Walpole Street
George Dean Head 24 Weymouth Dorset
Ellen Dean Wife 27 Weymouth Dorset
George Dean Son 4 Weymouth Dorset
Tom Dean Son 2 Weymouth Dorset
John Dean Son 1 Weymouth Dorset
Alfred Dean Cousin 18 Weymouth Dorset
Ellen Dean Cousin 16 Weymouth Dorset
Phillip Doming Lodger 28 Faverne Dorset
Marriages Mar 1866 Weymouth 5a 485
Blanchard Ellen & Dean GeorgeE
Ray
ps going for a walk around Handley, anyone joining me?
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Hi
... and here we are in Sixpenny Handley, Dorset in 1851
(The sun is out, the sky is blue, there's not a cloud to spoil the view,
but it's raining, raining here in Herts)
1851 HO107 1854 122 12, Dorset, Sixpenny Handley, District 8c, Page12
Deanland Road
Charles Blanchard Head 53 Handley, Dorset, England
Ann Blanchard Wife 45 Long Critchell, Dorset, England
Jane Blanchard Daughter 13 Handley, Dorset, England
Ellen Blanchard Daughter 9 Handley, Dorset, England
Hannah Blanchard Daughter 4 Handley, Dorset, England
James Blanchard Son 1 Handley, Dorset, England
Charles Bennet Lodger 20 Farnham, Dorset, England
So, Jane (Root, 1891) is Blanche Dean's Aunt
Ray
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also need some information on joe gascoigne married eva blanchard and had achild linda i have chased up your information on daniel blanchard how many children did william have all the ames i put in doesnt come up i thought he had 4 children harold winifred eva or evelyn and ronald can you help me
Vivien
What did this mean?
Do you want any of us to help?
Ray
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of course i need your help just having trouble sorting out i will get there and i didnt expect so much help i love it
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Hi
Births ...........
Dec, 1895
Blanchard Annie Edith, Chelsea 1a 349
Jun, 1902
Blanchard Harold Ernest, Chelsea 1a 362
Jun, 1909
Blanchard Winifred Jessie, Chelsea 1a 356
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Hi
Sent pm of Gascoigne links (Rootschat living person policy)
Is that all done now?
Shout if not
Regards
Ray
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hooray not done yet do you have a marriage for linda gascoigne please
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Hi
Some Gascoigne possible data sent via pm.
No longer think that Linda is their daughter.
Ray
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thanks for info and linda [gascoigne]is there daughter i stayed for a while with them
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Hi
Linda Gascoigne
born circa 1950
Watford Hertfordshire
All the information that I can find has been sent via personal message.
(Rootschat living person policy)
The above info is what is publicly available free/freely online.
Regards
Ray