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Title: BLANCHARD in Watford
Post by: vivien27 on Wednesday 05 January 11 02:50 GMT (UK)
looking for information on ronald william blanchard, born early 1900 's in watford  married to mary alice wolfendale born unknown many thanks for any ones help
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 05 January 11 03:43 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat, this looks like the birth of Ronald:-

Ronald W Blanchard Sept 1912 Watford v3a page 1683 Mothers Maiden name Long

Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Wednesday 05 January 11 04:23 GMT (UK)
thankyou keyboard for your help much appreciated
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 05 January 11 08:46 GMT (UK)
Hi

Marriage regd as wolfindale

Mar 1931
Blanchard    Ronald W   
Wolfindale    Mary A
Watford    3a   1317    

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 05 January 11 08:53 GMT (UK)
Hi

Looks like he had a sister

Births Sep 1917
Blanchard    Evelyn    Long   
Watford    3a   1177    

I'll pm any detail more recent than this.

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 05 January 11 09:26 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I searched for Blanchard/Long marriage in Hertfordshire, and could not locate one so tried for a date near to Rolands birthish, when checking the 1911 index only, this couple were in Bushey(Watford) iWilliam Blanchard and Jessie Blanchard.
Marriage William Blanchard to Jessie Long March 1909 Mile End 1c 439
If you have the means to view the full 1911, check it out, or buy a few credits and you could have his parents, but now you know the birth/marriage, buying the cert/s will confirm!
Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 05 January 11 09:27 GMT (UK)
Sorry meant Ronald not Roland!
Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 05 January 11 09:36 GMT (UK)
Hi

31/1/1909 St Thomas Church, Stepney
William BLANCHARD, 34 bachelor cheesemonger, 72 Jamaica St,
Father Daniel Blanchard, Licensed Victualler
Jesse LONG, 28 spinster -, 72 Jamaica St,
Father George Long, Sexton

Both signed, Witnesses Ernest Daniel Blanchard & Charlotte Jones

(pm me with your email address if you would like a photocopy of the church registry)

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On that marriage cert his father is a licensed victualler Ernest Daniel Blanchard

In 1901 Bushey census there is The Swan Tavern Park Road

Daniel Blanchard 62 Beerseller Greengrocer born Handley Dorset
Jane 62 ditto

Deadpubs.co.uk has
Daniel Blanchard in the Swan Tavern around 1901
and
William Blanchard in The Swan Tavern 1912 thru 1922

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Ray




Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Wednesday 05 January 11 10:09 GMT (UK)
thanks for the information it is very helpful
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 05 January 11 11:25 GMT (UK)
Hi again, in 1891 William is shown as a relative to Thomas and Jane Root occ Cheesmonger b Lee Kent
Census Ref RG12/118/9/14
1881
Daniel Blanchard 41 occ Cab Proprieter b Danhead Wilts
Jane b Hundly Dorset
Harry 14 b Eltham Kent
Rose 12 b Eltham
John J 8 b Eltham
William 6 b Lee Kent
Ernest 1 b Lee
22, Hedgly Street Lee Kent
Census Ref RG11/731/112/34
1901
William Blanchard 26 occ Cheesemonger b Lee
Alice 28 b Southall Middx
Annie E B 5 b Chelsea
William 1 b Chelsea
Residing at 29, Denyer Street, Chelsea
Census Ref RG/13/73/85/83
Keyvoard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 05 January 11 12:06 GMT (UK)
Hi

Back to Mary Wolfendale birth possibles.

Sep 1906 Mary Elizabeth    Barton I.    8c   638
Mar 1907 Mary Jane         Wigan    8c   105
Sep 1907 Mary Alice         Barton I.    8c   618
Mar 1909 Mary Alice         Morpeth    10b   475
Sep 1909 Mary Elizabeth      Salford    8d   65
Dec 1909 Mary                 Burnley    8e   196
Jun 1910 Mary Alice         Chorlton    8c   841
Dec 1910 Mary A                 Bury            8c   496
Mar 1911 Mary C                 Wigan    8c   91    

Jun 1912 Mary L    (Rydings)    Barton I.    8c   1115

Ray

Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: Mort29 on Wednesday 05 January 11 13:04 GMT (UK)
Marriages Dec 1895   

Blanchard  William    Chelsea  1a 759   
Goodger  Ellen Georgina     Chelsea  1a 759   
Kiff  Alice Marian      Chelsea  1a 759   
Tompkins  Arthur     Chelsea  1a 759   


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1901
William Blanchard 26 occ Cheesemonger b Lee
Alice 28 b Southall Middx
Annie E B 5 b Chelsea
William 1 b Chelsea
Residing at 29, Denyer Street, Chelsea
Census Ref RG/13/73/85/83

Its the same William as the man married to a Jessie in 1911

cant see the death of an Alice tho ...
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 05 January 11 14:16 GMT (UK)
.
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: Mort29 on Wednesday 05 January 11 14:23 GMT (UK)
but not to #5  :P
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 05 January 11 14:47 GMT (UK)
.

Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: Mort29 on Wednesday 05 January 11 14:52 GMT (UK)
perfectly clear in the context of the thread (reply#5) and the fact its referencing the 1911 census

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when checking the 1911 index only, this couple were in Bushey(Watford) iWilliam Blanchard and Jessie Blanchard.
Marriage William Blanchard to Jessie Long March 1909 Mile End 1c 439
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Thursday 06 January 11 05:50 GMT (UK)
thank you to everyone who responded to my re quest i really appreciate it and welcome any other information thankyou
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 07 January 11 01:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Vivien, just a few more details for you on Ronald W Blanchard and Mary A Blanchard

Ronald W Blanchard Birth 15th August 1912, Death October 1997 Watford Herts aged 85
Registration Number C44D, District/SubDistrict 5361C, Entry Number 48

Possible death of Mary A Blanchard March qtr 1956 aged 46 Watford 4b 373

I also have 2 children by the marriage, and a possible further marriage for Ronald, which I will PM to you ok.

Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: mygirlbill on Saturday 08 January 11 00:33 GMT (UK)
I am guilty of having "corrupted" (lol) Vivien into taking up genealogy whilst staying at her home when I was evacuated due to the flood crisis. As she is still new to this, I am helping her as much as I can. However, I have a problem. According to Ray (CroxleyGreen's) message, William Blanchard was a 34 year old bachelor when he married Jesse Long in 1909. According to Mort29's message, he had previously been married to Alice Marian Kiff and if that is the case he would have been a widower not bachelor at the time of his marriage to Jesse. I am therefore inclined to think it is not one and the same William Blanchard. Can anyone throw any further light on this? Many thanks in advance. Cheers. mygirlbill
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 08 January 11 00:54 GMT (UK)
Hi mygirlbill, so it was you behind the scenes!

I think the answer may lie in the fact that Mort29 could not also locate a death for Alice, but I can assure you, it is the same man who married Jessie!

Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: mygirlbill on Saturday 08 January 11 02:41 GMT (UK)
G'day. Thanks Keyboard for your reply however, I can't say that as yet I am totally convinced. (Middle name is Pessimist) Ha! If I am reading it right, I think that I may have found another discrepency.
According to Ray (CroxleyGreen) "Daniel Blanchard 62 Beerseller etc. etc. born Handley Dorset. Wife Jane." Source 1901 census.
According to your message. "Daniel Blanchard 41, born Danhead Berks, wife Jane born Hundly Dorset." Source 1881 census.
Both these Daniels have a birth year ca. 1839/40, however, places of birth differ. I'm confused.
Calling on all Sherlock Holmes's ! HELP!!!!!
Many thanks in advance. Cheers. mygirlbill
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 08 January 11 02:56 GMT (UK)
G'day!

Daniel Blanchard's birth place history:-

1851 Ash Grove Dorset
1861 Don Head St Mary Wilts
1871 Donhead
1881 Donhead ( With Jane/William etc )
1891 Handley Dorset ( With Jane and Ernest b 1880 Violet J b 1883 )
1901 Handley Dorset

Phew!!

Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 08 January 11 09:15 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

Bachelor? Widower? Divorcee? He may be a bigamist................
Also the Kiff lady's "name" appears in marriages in/around Watford 4 times in a 25 year period. (I don't want to follow that one up).

As for places of birth, there is one on RC from yesterday where the census enumerator has written the correct place in and then changed the first part (Harefield to Enfield).
Don't forget that the individuals do not complete the census forms (then).

In all cases, take the info we have found, digest it, use as you think fit.
Then tell us what you do (do not) like and we'll try to help.

Good hunting

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Saturday 08 January 11 10:01 GMT (UK)
thanks everyone for your help my girl bill is right  i am a beginner and not quite sure how to proceed help! we all have skeletons in the closet id like to find mine vivien 27
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: mygirlbill on Sunday 09 January 11 00:34 GMT (UK)
G'day Ray. Thank you for your help.
Bigamy is not something that had occurred to me until you mentioned it. The  fact Alice Kiff had been married 4 times and that William was a "bachelor" at the time of his second marriage could I suppose mean that the marriage had been annulled. Do you have any idea as to when divorce became legal in the U.K? Do you know of any websites where I can go to and research further into this.
As for the discrepancy's regarding his place of birth. Keyboard has PM'd me to explain how all that came about.
Thank you to everyone for your help. Cheers. mygirlbill
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Sunday 09 January 11 07:42 GMT (UK)
considering william was married 1909 which would make his birthdate somewhere about 1889 and if daniel was his dad then it would have to be his birth either don head 1861 or ashgrove dorset 1851 please correct me if i am wrong
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 09 January 11 08:09 GMT (UK)
Aha!

Donhead in Wiltshire and Handley in Dorset are only 10K apart.

(In English about 6 miles apart)

"Sorted" as they say?

Ray

Subsequent addition, further to Keyboard86 reply #21

Ash Grove Dorset I would take to be .....

Ash Grove Farm, Ashmore, Dorset which is less than 2km from Tollard Royal

Ray
 
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 09 January 11 08:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Viv, when William married in 1909 he was 34 years old so born c 1875, go back to Kitty's (Mygirlbill) 1st post on your thread and you will see ok
Keyboard
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 09 January 11 08:24 GMT (UK)
Hi

...and guess what is "halfway" between Donhead and Handley?

You are correct.............Tollard Royal

Daniel Blanchard    
Christening:     29 MAY 1837      Tollard Royal, Wiltshire
Parents:
Father:     John Blanchard    
Mother:     Elizabeth    

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 09 January 11 09:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

For completeness ........

Please re-read my reply #27

AND ...........

Census 1881 RG11 739 34 Lee, District 13, Page 35
22 Hedgly St    
Daniel Blanchard  Head        41 Cab Proprtr     Danhead    Wiltshire
Jane    Blanchard     Wife        42                      Hundly    Dorset
Harry Blanchard     Son         14    Gardener    Eltham    Kent
Rose    Blanchard     Daughter     12    Scholar    Eltham    Kent
John T. Blanchard Son         8    Scholar    Eltham    Kent    
William Blanchard Son         6    Scholar    Lee    Kent    
Ernest Blanchard   Son    1                    Lee    Kent

1891 RG12 1117 8 Hertfordshire, Bushey, District 8, Page 8
Park Road "Beer House"
Daniel Blanchard    Head 51 Beer Retailer Handley Dorsetshire
Jane      Blanchard    Wife     51Handley    
Ernest D Blanchard    Son    11 Lee Kent
Violet I Blanchard    Dau 8 Lee Kent

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Sunday 09 January 11 10:40 GMT (UK)
thankyou its very valuable information sitting trying to work it out and im getting a headache you are all amazing thankyou
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Sunday 09 January 11 11:50 GMT (UK)
also need some information on joe gascoigne married eva blanchard and had achild linda i have chased up your information on daniel blanchard  how many children did william have   all the ames i put in doesnt come up i thought he had 4 children harold winifred eva or evelyn and ronald can you help me
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 09 January 11 13:52 GMT (UK)
Hi

I think that something has gone missing in the translation?

In words of one syllable so I may understand?

 ;D ;D

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 09 January 11 22:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Viv, at post 29, Ray very kindly posted the 1891 census for Daniel and Jane which did not include William here he is:-
1891 census:-

Thomas Root 55 occ Saddle Tree Rivetter
Jane 54 b Dorset
Thomas D 22 occ Designer of Fine Arts
George  W 24 occ Lead Glazier & Cutter
Edward 19 occ Musical Instrument Maker
William Blanchard 17 occ Cheesemonger b Lee Kent
Blanche Dean 14 b Weymouth Dorset
All other than Jane Root born St Pancras
William and Blanche shown as "Relatives"
Residing at 75, Stanhope Street, St Pancras.
Census Ref RG12/118/9/14

If somone has the time can they work out for Viv, the "Relative" connection for William and Blanche? as I am off line/work for a few days.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: mygirlbill on Sunday 09 January 11 23:57 GMT (UK)
No probs Keyboard. I am in the process of doing that right now. Many thanks for all your support thus far. Cheers. mygirlbill
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 10 January 11 00:15 GMT (UK)
Hi mygirlbill, this may help:-

Marriage Thomas Root to Jane Blanchard Sept 1865 Pancras 1b 6
Keyboard via mobile!
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 10 January 11 07:51 GMT (UK)
Hi
(Blanche's ma Ellen Blanchard from Handley?)

Blanche birth detail poss
Blanche Elizabeth Dean
Birth Date:    abt 1876
Christening Date:    27 Dec 1876
Christening Place:    Weymouth, Dorset, England
Father's name:    George Edward Dean
Mother's name:    Ellen

1881 RG11 2105 124 33, Melcombe Regis, District 10, Page 33
5 Walpole St

George E. Dean Head 34    Master Bricklayer    Weymouth    Dorset
Ellen Dean                Wife          36    Handley    Dorset
George E.   Dean    Son         14    Weymouth    Dorset
William    Dean    Son         9    Weymouth    Dorset
Harry    Dean    Son         6    Weymouth    Dorset
Blanche E. Dean    Dau         4    Weymouth    Dorset    
Ellen L.    Dean    Dau     3    Weymouth    Dorset

Same family ........
1871 RG10 2003 9, Melcombe Regis,District 10, Page 7
5 Walpole Street
George    Dean    Head 24    Weymouth    Dorset
Ellen    Dean    Wife    27    Weymouth    Dorset
George    Dean    Son    4    Weymouth    Dorset
Tom     Dean    Son    2    Weymouth    Dorset
John            Dean    Son    1    Weymouth    Dorset
Alfred    Dean    Cousin    18    Weymouth    Dorset
Ellen    Dean    Cousin    16    Weymouth    Dorset
Phillip    Doming    Lodger    28    Faverne    Dorset

Marriages Mar 1866 Weymouth    5a   485
Blanchard Ellen & Dean GeorgeE

Ray
ps going for a walk around Handley, anyone joining me?
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 10 January 11 08:22 GMT (UK)
Hi

... and here we are in Sixpenny Handley, Dorset  in 1851
(The sun is out, the sky is blue, there's not a cloud to spoil the view,
but it's raining, raining here in Herts)

1851 HO107 1854 122 12, Dorset, Sixpenny Handley, District 8c, Page12
Deanland Road
Charles Blanchard Head 53 Handley, Dorset, England
Ann       Blanchard Wife    45 Long Critchell, Dorset, England
Jane      Blanchard Daughter 13 Handley, Dorset, England
Ellen      Blanchard Daughter    9 Handley, Dorset, England
Hannah  Blanchard Daughter    4 Handley, Dorset, England
James    Blanchard Son    1 Handley, Dorset, England
Charles  Bennet Lodger    20 Farnham, Dorset, England

So, Jane (Root, 1891) is Blanche Dean's Aunt

Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 10 January 11 08:31 GMT (UK)
also need some information on joe gascoigne married eva blanchard and had achild linda i have chased up your information on daniel blanchard  how many children did william have   all the ames i put in doesnt come up i thought he had 4 children harold winifred eva or evelyn and ronald can you help me

Vivien
What did this mean?
Do you want any of us to help?
Ray
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Monday 10 January 11 10:59 GMT (UK)
of course i need your help just having trouble sorting out i will get there and i didnt expect so much help i love it 
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 10 January 11 15:10 GMT (UK)
Hi

Births ...........

Dec, 1895
Blanchard Annie Edith, Chelsea 1a 349   

Jun, 1902
Blanchard Harold Ernest, Chelsea 1a 362

Jun, 1909
Blanchard Winifred Jessie, Chelsea 1a 356
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 10 January 11 16:04 GMT (UK)
Hi

Sent pm of Gascoigne links (Rootschat living person policy)

Is that all done now?
Shout if not

Regards
Ray


Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Monday 10 January 11 20:23 GMT (UK)
hooray not done yet do you have a marriage for linda gascoigne please
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Tuesday 11 January 11 09:44 GMT (UK)
Hi

Some Gascoigne possible data sent via pm.

No longer think that Linda is their daughter.

Ray

Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: vivien27 on Wednesday 12 January 11 06:24 GMT (UK)
thanks for info and linda [gascoigne]is there daughter i stayed for a while with them
Title: Re: blanchard in watford
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 13 January 11 07:49 GMT (UK)
Hi

Linda Gascoigne
born circa 1950
Watford Hertfordshire

All the information that I can find has been sent via personal message.
(Rootschat living person policy)

The above info is what is publicly available free/freely online.

Regards
Ray