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Title: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ashenique on Saturday 08 January 11 08:16 GMT (UK)
Could sks please consider a lookup for me for one Thomas Greenough, tried JUL 1829 Lancashire, England, Sentenced to Transportation

Would love to know the details / I have tried to track down on Thomas Green, aka Greenall, Greenhough, Greenhalgh, Greenough, Greenhow, Greenow......you can see the prob I think...
Ta
muchly

Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 08 January 11 12:09 GMT (UK)
Could this be him?

Thomas Greenough age 19
Offence: Felony
When and where: Kirkdale 3rd August 1829 I  think that must be the date he appeared in court for sentencing.
Sentence: 7 years
How disposed of: can't read it but it looks like b@l 8 December 1829. I wonder if that's the date when the ship arrived?


Date received: 27th August 1829
Ship: York
Moored at: Portsmouth


Margaret  :D
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ashenique on Saturday 08 January 11 20:42 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Margaret
That was brilliant and quick.
Not sure about the b@l - maybe shorthand code for something - will try to think about that one.
But yes I think this is him.
Ta
Ashe
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 08 January 11 21:06 GMT (UK)
All the teminology was on the record. I tried enlarging it but still couldn't read it.

I think it's where the ship was going. The others on the page are going to NSW. So now you need to find somewhere with b@l. It could read BDL or BSL.


Sorted it. It's VDL. Phew!!! I  had to read quite a number of pages until I found one that was clear enough to decifer.So the ship was going to Tasmania. Is that any help?

Margaret
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: aggiebagwash on Sunday 09 January 11 08:28 GMT (UK)
There are a few Greenough's listed on the Prison Register appearing at  Kirkdale Court and then being transported. I wonder if they are related?

Margaret
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 09 January 11 08:54 GMT (UK)
Conduct Record http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-16,256,5,L,80

(bottom of page)
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: aggiebagwash on Sunday 09 January 11 10:57 GMT (UK)
What the heck does it mean? I can read the odd word or two but can't make sense of it. Does it say really bad singer?

Margaret
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 09 January 11 11:07 GMT (UK)
He arrived VDL on the Mary 9 April 1830. Sentenced Lancaster 3 August 1839. 7 years.

Transpd for Felony
Gaol report unknown
Hulk report very bad. Single
Stated this offence stealing ducks. Single
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: aggiebagwash on Sunday 09 January 11 11:13 GMT (UK)
I thought it said that but couldn't believe he got 7 years.

I wonder why there is a difference in ships? If he arrived in VDL on the Mary in April what happened to him when he arrived on the York in December? I suppose that the only way to find out is to research what happened at the time. Maybe they were held off shore on the Mary until accommodation was built.

Margaret
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 09 January 11 11:41 GMT (UK)
The York was a prison hulk where he was held pending transportation

http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.56/chapterId/957/Prison-hulks-on-the-River-Thames.html

http://www.nicholashedges.co.uk/lockup/index.htm
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 09 January 11 11:50 GMT (UK)
The Mary sailed from London on 18 December 1829, arrived Hobart 10 April 1830
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: aggiebagwash on Sunday 09 January 11 11:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the clarification it's very interesting when you get to know a little bit about a short time span in someones life.

I'll have a look now.

Margaret
Title: Re: Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Post by: ashenique on Tuesday 11 January 11 09:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all who have helped in this venture of mine - it has all come together nicely - I appreciate everyone's efforts.
You are wonderful people. :)
Ashe