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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Thamesite2017 on Tuesday 11 January 11 03:59 GMT (UK)
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Any folks need second opinions/help with their new zealand research?
We seem quiet on topics that people can help from their homes/computers/at home resources..so I thought I'd add a thread.
Who are you trying to chase/sort out this year.
I'm always on the lookout for any new people following my main families.
Anyone connected with the BARKERS who first settled at Mahurangi, the CORNES, PASCOES and VERCOES who came to the Thames Valley? ??? would love to hear from you, hoping to get a book published in the near future - THAT IS MY GOAL for 2011
Bye
Althea ;D
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I have not had any luck finding the immigration details for:
Herman Nielsen b. 1859 Denmark
Mary Nielsen nee Miller b. 1859 Scotland
Herman b. 1881 Scotland
Isabella b. 1882 Scotland
I believe they arrived in NZ 1882 or 1883 (according to death cert/burial records and the next child is born in 1885 in NZ)
Also the immigration details for
James Ogilvie Mackie b. 1890 Egypt (English)
travelled to NZ around 1911-1914 from England
any help would be appreciated
Thanks
John
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Herman Nielsen b. 1859 Denmark
Hi John
Was Herman an engineer?
There are naturalisation papers/notice 8 Aug 1887, engineer, Westport.
Bye
Althea
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May I be cheeky and ask for the shipping details of my grandparents? They are on Findmypast but no money at the moment to buy credits.
They will be under Tew. Cecelia and Harold. Granddad had to debunk in Auckland for the Army and Nana arrived in Wellington, this will be about May 1919.
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy
checking now, back soon
Althea
sending fuller info by pm
Name: Cecelia May TEW
Date of departure: 14 July 1919
Port of departure: Plymouth
Passenger destination port: Wellington, New Zealand
Passenger destination: Wellington, New Zealand
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Yes he was an engineer - Thanks :)
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Hi John
I don't know if the alien records tell you anything more
but they confirm that 1884 period
maybe then look at ships to Wesptport for that year 83/84
1917 Alien Records
Name NEILSON Herman
Date 1917
Age 58
Birth Country Denmark
Years in NZ 34
Place Wellington City
Page 549
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Hi Althea,
What a good idea of a thread 8)
Apart from finding the marriages of Roy Gerald Keith Day, I can't seem to find him elsewhere before that or after.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Thanks Althea.
Much appreciated.
Think some NZ R.C'S are still on holidays. We will be away Saturday, so don't think I have forgotten you all.
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy
I think you are right about the holidays bringing a lull
have a good break, and be back soon ;D
Bye
Althea
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Hi KHP
Apart from finding the marriages of Roy Gerald Keith Day, I can't seem to find him elsewhere before that or after.
Whats the time period of the marriages?
Bye
Althea
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1947 and 1952 Althea.
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after some searching, I found that Herman Nielsen was an engineer on a Steamboat which regulary shipped passengers to and from Scotland to Australia and New Zealand from 1881 till 1885. Presumably he thought NZ was a good place to move and in 1883 received his certificate of engineers competency no. 98 on 20 Aug. 1883 2nd class Wellington NZ, then sent for his wife (or she came on one of his ships around 1883-1885)
John
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Here is a new one for you all.
John Lyall born 1859 Scotland married Amelia Liabeau probably in Pigeon Bay Canterbury, as no date has been found.
John died 14 July 1931 and is buried in Bromley Cemetery, Christchurch.
I know they had one daughter by the name of Rose Ethel in 1884.
My main problem is when and where did Amelia die? Did she remarry after John's death and took on another name?
She has just despaired.
Any help please.
Suzy W
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Ellen Ingram absconded to NZ in 1890 she appears there in 1913 (in the paper for having a fire) but i cant find anything else for her after this date
:-\
sorry for being vague its related to my OH sc hunt in the common room
she appears on the papers past website
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RE ELLEN INGRAM
was she in Dunedin?
Source 1893 Electoral Roll
Electorate Dunedin
Surname INGRAM, Given Names Ellen
Place of Residence Cargill Rd South Dunedin
Occupation Waitress
If this is right area, search here
http://caversham.otago.ac.nz/electors/erform.php
and you will find some other years
Bye
Althea
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For Suzy
Did you have the 1911 electoral roll entries for Pigeon Bay
there are several names, including John but no Amelia..so could she have died first
Names Are
Charles Smith Lyall
Emma Billington Lyall
Madeline Maud Lyall
May Milne Lyall (Spinster)
Robert Lyall
William Lyall
John Lyall
Bye
Althea
1890 an AMELIA LIBEAU married HALL
(This is on NZSG index Cd, can't spot it at BMD, perhaps someone else can?)
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Can't spot it either, only Libeau marriage I can see is for 1889.
Althea's spotting is also on the marriage CD.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Suzy
Rose Ethel was registered as Libeau
1884/16160 Libeau Rose Ethel Amelia NR
So maybe they never married
Bye
Althea
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Totally puzzled by this lady. Think her father was John Libeau.
Rose Ethel or Ethel Anne she was sometimes known, married a Herbert Thomas Clements abt 1912 who happened to be the Mayor of Otahuhu. He died in London a day before coming home to New Zealand, but not certain on the date, it will be after her death date of 1953, and I think he remarried.
It would be nice to make contact with any relations of hers to sort out what really happened.
Yes there was a number of Hall's living in Pigeon Bay in the mid to late 1800's. I wonder if she had Ethel out of wed-lock to John Lyall then married a Hall?
Suzy W
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SUZY's BRICK WALL
LIBEAU - LYALL
[It does appear that Amelia didn't marry John HALL. ]
Marriage
Amelia LIBEAN [sic] - Charles Jabes [sic] HALL - 1890
Births
1892 - Clarence HALL
1893 - Leonard John HALL
1896 - Herbert Charles HALL
1902 - Alice Clemence Amelia HALL
1902 - Gracie May HALL
1910 - Stanley Livingstone HALL
Parents: Amelia & Charles Jabez (also shown as Jabes / Jahez)
more next post >>
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Brilliant title Althea and admirable to see such willing help as always :)
...hopefully a helpful suggestion though, that the thread will probably get too messy to follow :-\ if the requests aren't put up as separate topics?
:) mare
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Amelia HALL - died 26 July 1944 - aged 82 (bc 1862)
She is buried alongside of Charles Jabez HALL (d. 1945)
at Hawera Cemetery.
http://public.stdc.govt.nz/cemeteries
~ Lu
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ooops ... sorry - ** correction **
previous post should have read ...
It appears that Amelia did not marry John LYALL. ]
~ Lu
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Thanks Lucy. That clears that little puddle of mud.
Suzy W
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Suzy
The IGI (@ FamilySearch), has the following birth entry :
LIBEAU - Amelia
Born : 1862
At: Akaroa
Parents: Joseph LIBEAU & Mary Ann HEDGEMAN
It seems a very good match for Amelia HALL (also born circa 1862).
~ Lu
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Hi Mare
Yes agree re topic, was more to spur something
Spades might have horrors if we start to ask for splits
good lot od info coming for Suzy - that would make a great new thread.
Spades when you join in, shall I close thread with suggestion that anyone that has joined in should start a new thread if they desire??
Bye
althea
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Hi Althea,maybe new threads with the word Brickwall in the title,with the name, we all know what helpful lot are on the board
Cheers Janette
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For Suzy
Rose Ethel or Ethel Anne she was sometimes known, married a Herbert Thomas Clements abt 1912 who happened to be the Mayor of Otahuhu. He died in London a day before coming home to New Zealand, but not certain on the date, it will be after her death date of 1953, and I think he remarried.
It would be nice to make contact with any relations of hers to sort out what really happened.
Hi Suzy
The marriage for Rose Ethel shows as follows on NZ BDM online. (Interestingly, it only comes up if you search on grooms name ??) ::)
1912
Hubert* Thomas CLEMENTS
Ethel Rose LIBEAU - c.k.a. LYALL
It appears that the husband's first name was "Hubert" (rather than "Herbert") ... but seems from Rose's headstone inscription, that he was known as "Thomas". ;D
I'm guessing that you already have a note of Rose's burial at Otahuhu Cemetery? (Her headstone gives the names of her son and daughter).
The plot next to Rose's, gives information for an ashes burial for a "Herbert Thomas CLEMENTS - died 8 October 1955 - aged 69 years".
The M/I though reads ... " ILMO Hubert [sic] Thomas CLEMENTS" ....
{The [sic] seems to have been inserted by the transcriber of this record ? }
As there is no record of a death in NZ for this "Hubert" or "Herbert" CLEMENTS, it seems then to fit the story you have that this man died in England.
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continued ...
Hubert (Herbert) Thomas CLEMENTS :
Archives New Zealand (Auckland Office) also have a probate record for the following (which very likely is the man buried at Otahuhu Cemetery) ?
CLEMENTS - Hubert Thomas
Bucklands Beach - Builder - 1955
~ Lu
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Hi Suzy,
This looks like his death on FreeBDM's
Deaths Dec 1955
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Clements Herbert T 69 Paddington 5d 144
Cheers Janette
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Hi Althea and Janette,
Re name of thread - perhaps we have got to the stage where we need a separate sub-board for "Lookup requests" as many English boards have ???
John B
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For Suzy
This may possibly be the son of Rose Ethel ?
Death
2004 - CLEMENTS - Arnold Thomas - d.o.b. 28 July 1914
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Thanks Lucy.
You have dug up a bit more than what I could find.
The other child of Rose was Jean Clements.
Yes I did have Hurbert, then I thought this must be a mistake and should be Herbert. He was born in Tasmania. I would presume he was cremated and returned to New Zealand?
I am a little puzzled to why Rose took on the name Lyall, when her mother married a Hall and her birth under Libeau, a lady with many names.
Suzy W
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Born Abt. 1860 England
Died Abt. 06 May 1925 Gisborne, New Zealand
Married Abra Mary Frances Harrison 1895
Had 4 children to her
He had at least 2 other children to a previous relationship with a Maori lass know as either Teo Harepe Tamati or Rutu Te Onarepe Tamati. Neither of these children had his last name but went by the last name of Fox.
No idea who his parents are or where he was born or when he came to NZ. I have found references to his at Archives and at Papers Past saying he was a trustee.
Have found his burial on the Gisborne Council Cemetery Search.
Brick Wall!
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Hi Kiwigirl
freebmd uk
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Jackson Henry Cheetham Saffron Walden 4a 361
Births Mar 1858
BYe
Althea
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Wow!
I tried FreeBMD but had no joy - it must like you more :P
My cousin just told me HC's dad was John Dickenson Jackson... another name to chase but at least it's a new name ;)
Thanks Althea!
:D
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Kiwigirl
hae you got the NZSG index CD
John Dickenson Jackson has several mentions
if not can send
Bye
Althea
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That would be marvellous - I need to save up and get the cds.
Cheers,
;D
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Kiwigirl,
There is a mention of John Dickenson Jackson on papers past.
Daily Southern Cross 21 January 1867
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks KHP - sadly no accounting skills made it to me - mind you he was mayor for a bit too and I have longing for that either ;)
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc02Cycl-t1-body1-d3-d2-d1.html#name-425800-mention
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Hi Kiwigirl
Here is his death
1903 Jackson John Dickenson aged 82Y
on FreeBDM's maybe a marriage
Marriages Sep 1845
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Jackson John Dickinson West London 2 291
Cheers Janette
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I'll close this
if any business is unfinished, I hope researchers start a new thread
as you can see we love hunting brickwalls !!!
Bye
althea
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Thanks Janette and Althea - A few bricks have tumbled ;)
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Thanks Althea that looks promising – I have no idea of her occupation as she didn’t work in the UK but would obviously have had to make herself some money in NZ unless she took the proceeds of crime with her!
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this is a great thread Althea.
It is amazing what a second (or 3rd, 4th, 5th) set of eyes can do for a brickwall - different spellings, search techniques, resources etc has really shed light on things for a lot of people. I know that it is easy to give up when you hit a brickwall but all it takes is a little success and you are on your way again.
Keep up the great work! :)
John
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Hi Kiwi Girl
I am the Grandson of Henry Cheetham Jackson What has been posted so far is fairly correct.
I have heaps more info if you require it
I would be interested in your connections with this family tree.
I also have a brick wall - I cannot find what happened to Catherine (Kate) Elizabeth Jackson, Henry's older sister (b1846). I know see was in NZ in 1915
Cheers
Richard