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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: extattiehowker on Tuesday 11 January 11 11:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi I have a relative born 1869 who states on birth cert that they are living at Burnmouth of Gollachy. I cannot find a building on any old map. but abdnet has a NJ425632 which does not identify it though states there is a premises in 1851 Census. I believe there was also a church there. Perhaps she was baptised in it and this leads to me thinking she lived there. Any clues?
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If you have a look at http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ4064 you will see a map showing you where Gollachy is, and some photographs including one of the Gollachy Burn. The map shows where the burn reaches the sea, and I would have thought that this is where Burnmouth of Gollachy would be.
However if I recall correctly the railway line was built along the coast in 1886 or so, and would have led to the demolition of any buildings in its way.
Why not have a look at the 1861 census transcription at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and make a note of all the place names in the same enumeration district as Mains of Gollachy? Comparing that with the modern maps will give you an idea of which addresses have ceased to exist since 1869.
I note that there is no mention of Burnmouth in the GENUKI gazetteer for Enzie at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/
NJ425632 is a point in a map square a mile or so inland from Gollachy, at Arradoul. I imagine that it is roughly the middle of an enumeration district in which Burnmouth is mentioned in one of the censuses, but it isn't a precise location.
HTH
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Hi Forfararian, thanks for the leads....have tried putting Mains of Gollachy in Freecen in the enumeration field but get message "over 1500 entries cannot display" so cannot get this place names display you mention. How do I use the Freecen site in the way you mention?
I'm very new to this, though I've found the farms listings for the area but is there one for smaller settlements/crofts etc of around 10acres which seems to be the norm in my relatives of that era?
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Hi Forfararian, thanks for the leads....have tried putting Mains of Gollachy in Freecen in the enumeration field but get message "over 1500 entries cannot display" so cannot get this place names display you mention. How do I use the Freecen site in the way you mention?
I'm very new to this, though I've found the farms listings for the area but is there one for smaller settlements/crofts etc of around 10acres which seems to be the norm in my relatives of that era?
Ah, no, I don't think it works like that. You can't easily search on a place name. I had it in my mind that your folk might have been in the area in 1861, and that you could have looked for them and then worked backwards and forwards to find the rest of the place names in the same enumeration district. If your people weren't there, just search for a common name and work backwards and forwards from that household. Geddes is a useful surname to use for Enzie.
Not sure what you mean by the 'farms listing'? The census recorded every household regardless of size, so all inhabited buildings should be listed.
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There is a cottage at the Burnmouth of Gollachy called Salmon Cottage I believe. It's pretty old, although it had an extension added recently. The railway line wouldn't have effected any buildings there as it's half-way up the bank. About 100m up past the railway line used to be Mill of Gollachy and slightly further up was I believe Seafield Farm where my wife's Grandparents lived prior to WWII. LOng since gone.
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Hi Gdub
Thanks a lot .....I think you've cracked it..... his name was George Munro died 23/5/1908 and was a salmon fisher in his later days living it says on death cert at Burnmouth of Gollachy, Buckie. His middle of a tribe of 11 kids onwards were born at this address as per birth certs. I have a pic on www.walkhighlands.co.uk/moray/buckie.shtml number 3 Buckpool which shows a ruined house near the Gollachy burn mouth. Is this the one you mention or is Salmon Cottage another one? I would really like a pic of it. I have a pic of another relative's croft ....Braehead Croft, Portessie which is now a very nice looking holiday hire cottage. I like to get pics to go with places. I have a stack of old photos from 1890s onwards to identify with buildings in them. Still very early stage in hunting!!!! :)
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Hello eth
Although not able to bring anything to the party, the NLS site at:
http://geo.nls.uk/os6inch/google.html
gives you to zoom down to the area on the old 6" to 1 miles maps. using the map function. When you've about 5 bars left on your scroller, switch to the 'Historic' tab, the closer in you zoom the older the maps become.
Although not specifically named, there appear to be 2 bothies/cottgaes near the burn mouth.
Regards, Steve :)
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No, that's not the cottage. That's the remains of Midway Cottage, which is "mid-way" between the Salmon Cottage and Buckpool.
The Salmon Cottage is actually called Burnmouth Cottage at present.
I'll PM you some pictures
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Hi Thanks for all replies and for pics sent by Gdub. Brilliant and amazing how so many kids were raised in such a pokey wee cottage :D
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Hi, I am also linked to George Munro of Burnmouth, Gollachy through his daughter Elsie Ann Munro. Please can I also get a copy of the photos!
Thanks for all the research to work out which was the correct building.
Fiona
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Hi Fiona
I've pm'd you and will send some pics. I have more info on Elsie Munro also. and pic of the cottage approx 1930 when Willie the son of George lived there.
Cheers
Jim
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Jim,
I am also interested in Burnmouth of Gollachy. My grandfather, John Munro, is one of the twelve children born to George Munro and Ann Lawrence. John Munro immigrated to Canada around 1907 and then later to the United States.
Fiona has sent me a photo of the cottage taken in 1930 as well as two more recent photos. I'm assuming they are all of the cottage where my grandfather was raised and lived until he left Scotland. Do you know when the later photos were taken? Any information you may have on the George Munro family I would love to hear about. I've got a skelton family tree a couple of generations after George Munro. I hope to learn more about the Munros of Rathven and Fordyce.
Thanks,
Karen Wakefield
P.S. Think I'll try to find to find the cottage on Google Earth.
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Hi Karen
John Munro was born in 1876 at Rathven, Banffshire and was a farm servant at age 14 then a builder and stone mason by the 1901 Census. In 1881 his father was a salmon fisher at the mouth of the small River/burn at Gollachy and also farmed 6 acres for a living.
The old photo was taken in the 1930's when son Willie born 1865 had inherited the house and was farming the smallholding. The later photos are taken in 2011 to the best of my knowledge by a helpful local living contributor on this site who went out specially to take the pics.
I can get back a couple of generations from George Munro but info beyond that is dubious. Send me a private pm and I will send you a tree backwards from him.
Interesting what happened to John. It seems a lot of Scots from this part emigrated and made good in North America. I would like to know where and when he died and what he was employed as in the USA.
Cheers
Jim
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Jim (extattiehowker)
I've just been reading through this string of messages - and have recently been in touch with Karen Wakefield re some connections between the Munro family and my Brown ancestors from Fordyce. (My gr grandmothers sister, Elizabeth Brown, married John Munro, in 1901. He was the son of John Munro and Georgina Ledingham, and grandson of David Munro and Elspet Gibb - all buried in Fordyce). I was very interested to read in one of your earlier replies about you having a picture of a relatives croft at Braehead, Portessie - and seeing you have Davidson and Wood families that you are interested in, I'm guessing we may be researching the same family.
My 3gr grandparents are Robert Davidson and Jane Burnett. They lived at Braeheads, Portessie, up to their deaths in the 1850's. Their only daughter Jane Davidson (1826-1904) married James Wood (1821-1898) in 1852. He was originally from Sandend, but James and Jane lived on at Braeheads until the 1880's/1890's. Are these the Davidsons and Woods that you refer to in your families of interest? Would be very interested to hear if they are and also to hear what you know of Braeheads, Portessie. Anecdotal family reference passed down to me was that Braeheads, Portessie, was somewhere at the top of the Brae of Peterhythe, close to where Riach the Bakers used to have a bakers about 20-30 years ago.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Alan Davidson
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Jim,
I'm not sure how to send you a personal message. My grandfather John Munro went to work in Winnipeg, Canada and I understand may have worked on some government building there as a stone mason. He then went to Lincoln, Nebraska and worked on the State House. From there he and his family went to Washington, DC. He worked on numerous federal government buildings including the U.S. Supreme Court Building, and the National Gallery of Art. John died in 1944 and is buried in a cemetery just outside of Washington, DC line in Suitland, Maryland with his wife Annie.
Thanks for the information. I didn't realize my granddad was a farm servant prior to becoming a mason. His son, Leslie Munro, is still alive. He turned 100 this year and said my granddad only had a sixth grade education ... so I guess he started working at an early age.
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Hi Alan
That's remarkable!!! You are researching the same bunch. Would you like a photo of James Wood and Jane Davidson which was taken at William Clark's studio in Buckie? I shall be in contact as soon as I get all the xmas lights down outside!!! Sunny today and no rain which is just amazing!!!!
Cheers happy new year!
Jim
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Jim
Thanks for the reply, and Happy New Year to you to. I would be delighted to have a photo of James Wood and Jane Davidson. Its very interesting that it is taken by William Clark the photographer. I assume you know, but William Clarke's wife (Christian Newlands Logie) is part of our family too. Christian Newlands Logie (1880-1958) was the daughter of Alexander Logie (1852-1918) and Elizabeth Davidson (1853-1918). William and Chrisitian Clark emigrated to California about 1926.
This Elizabeth Davidson (Mrs Logie) was the daughter of George Davidson (1820-1894) and his first wife, Elizabeth Gray (1825-1857). She was also the half-sister of my great-grandfather George Davidson (1860-1945). George (1820-1894) was the brother of Jane Davidson who married James Wood. (1826-1904).
I'll reply to your PM with more details.
Alan Davidson
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Hi Alan
Thanks for the info on William Clarke and his studio......very interesting. I have a number of old pics taken in his studios as yet unidentified. Maybe some related to your tree.
I seem to be related to Robert Davidson b1781 and Jane b1786 so we are indeed on the same research trail.Daughter Jane is a bit of a problem. There are 3 Jane Davidson's that I have found in the area and I am not sure which one married James Wood on 18 Dec 1852 in Rathven though I have marr cert.
We need to delve further there.
I have pic of James Wood and Jane taken probably late 1890s both looking in their 70's. Have sent you my e-mail in PM. If you send me yours I'll send pic and my details of the problem of the 3 Janes.
By the way do you know the location of the Denhead farm/smallholding in relation to the croft at Braeheads? Are they nearly next to each other?
cheers
Jim
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Hi,
Is anyone still there?
I too have relatives from burn mouth of Gollachy.
James Symon married Marjory Munro 1753.
Any connections?
Ches Susan
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Susan,
The posters on this thread are related to George Munro (1834-1908) who lived in what was called the 'Salmon Cottage' at the Burnmouth of Gollachy. George Munro was the son of David Munro (1801-1860) who lived in Fordyce. I don't have much after this ... just possible names of parents and grand parents but no other info. Marjory could have been related to them. Do you have the name of Marjory's parents?
Karen
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Hi Karen,
No joy with the parents of Marjory. She is as far as I go but I do have her husband's parents but of course that is of no use at present. Marjory's daughter was called Mary B1769 and she married John Garden of Rannachie Farm Rathven.
Will do some more searching as see what I can find.
Thanks for the reply
Susan
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I had a wander down past the Salmon Bothy yesterday and had a look across the road at the "stroopy wal". I seem to remember when it was still working, but it looks as though there hasn't been any water coming out for probably 20-25 years now. Anyway, above the well there's a stone "In memory of ? Munro..." I couldn't make out the first name (looked like Deirdre) or the rest of the inscription, as it was too sunny, but I thought some of you might be interested!
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I remember a mention of that memorial wall above the cottage by someone. I've been digging through my emails to see if I can find it. I don't recall a Deidre Munro. I wonder if it was 'David'. If you ever get a chance, could you take a photo and send it to me. If I can find the info someone provided, I'll respond back.
Karen
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Happy to be kept in the loop re Munroes as there must be a connection as we appear to be talking about the exact piece of ground!
Susan
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Hi all
I have visited the area last week on an ancestor hunt holiday in Scotland. I have a pic of the stone and the wording is as follows.
In memory of George Munro who introduced water in 1884. All who thirst may drink while it runs.
WM children of George and Ann Munro. It was erected by George's son Willie who lived in the cottage with his family after his fathers death i.e.. from 1908 to 1950 when he himself died at Elgin hospital.
The stone is less cared for now and rather covered in grass. It is opposite the cottage on the other side of the road.
cheers
Jim
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Hi Jim,
Thanks for a photo of the stone. I wonder how long it has been there ... say about 100 years? While worn, it is still fascinating.
I hope you had a good trip and that you picked up some new information on the family history. I hope some day to make the trip myself.
Looking forward to hearing what you uncovered.
All the best,
Karen
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Hi Everyone,
I know its a while since there were posts in this thread, I have just joined this site after a google search brought up the thread. I was searching for Burn Mouth Gollachy. My Great Grandmother was Elsie Ann Munro (b 22 Feb 1867). I see there are a number of posts about photos of the cottage where the Munro's lived and a lot of other information. I would be very keen to make contact with anyone with more information.
Andrew
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Hi,
My connection to this thread is through a Marjory Munro born 1728. I am hoping that I can connect her to this family.
Marjory married a James Symon 1753. Daughter Mary married Garden from Rannachie.
Can you link to Marjory?
Look forward to any comments
Susan
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Hi Andrew Walker
Good to contact you. Elsie Ann Munro was my great aunt who married Donald McRae a fireman on the railways in Scotland until he married Elsie in June 1895 and emigrated to S Africa to be a locomotive engine driver out there. I have a pic of Elsie and her 4 other sisters, one being my gran. You will find that you have another relative Penny from S Africa on here doing research and she is even closer to your line than me. Are you related to Campbell McRae the son of Donald and Elsie? If so I have a pic of Campbell too for you.
cheers
Jim
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Hi Andrew,
I'm another descendant of the George Munro clan. My grandfather, John Munro (1875), was Elsie's sister. John immigrated to Canada and later to the U.S.
I think we have counted 13 kids for George and Ann Lawrence so there are a lot of us out there.
Karen Wakefield
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Correction on previous post (which I just reread). Should read my grandfather John Munro was Elsie's "brother".
Karen