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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: sweeneyamand on Wednesday 12 January 11 20:39 GMT (UK)
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looking for any hall relations to elizabeth hall married horace ellis
alice hall sister
brother albert hall
brother horace hall
father charles
mother ellen (not sure of maiden name)
please can anyone help as elizabeth is a mystery my family wish to solve
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Birthyears and birthplaces should be given - but not of any living persons
Elizabeth & Horace married in 1912 - see freebmd - both had middle initials
as elizabeth is a mystery
In what way?
Do you have a copy of the marriage cert showing her age and her fathers name?
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yes I have the info on Elizabeth and Horace.
Elizabeth is a mystery as in 1911 she is calling herself Marion, she lies about her age on the wedding cert. I am trying to trace Halls to see if they can help me to go further to Charles and Ellen, as we have always been told that we had someone in the family that was granny reared (may have been a french nun involved somewhere) and we want to go further back. Even the maiden name of Elizabeths mother is a mystery as birth cert that I have states Ellen Feek but there is also the surname York floating around. so would really like to find info on Elizabeths siblings and parents.
Am stuck and dont know how to get further
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Hello
Could this be them?
1901 Rg13/2925 folio 76 page 11 Yardley, Sparkhill, St John, Sparkhill Warwickshire
37 Solihull Road
Charles Hall age 37 Brass foundry ?? viewer born Birmingham
Allen wife age 39 Birmingham
Alice dau age 18 rest born Sparkbrook
Elizabeth dau age 15 brass Laquerer
Albert son age 13 brass foundry
Horace son age 10
Ellen dau age 8
Gladys dau age 6
Frederick son age 4
William son age 1
1891 Rg12/2355 folio 34 page 9 Kings Norton Balsall Heath Worcestershire
1 back of 35 Henry Street
Charles Hall age 27 coffin furniture maker all born Birmingham
Ellen wife age 28
Alice dau age 8
Elizabeth dau age 5
Albert son age 3
Horace son age 1
Pam
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Im not sure but looks like them. is there any halls out there that have this info, can you see them on the 1911 , ive tried to look before but havent been able to find them
thanks for your help on this :)
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Charles Hall married Ellen Feek march quarter Aston Warwickshire 6d 289
1911 is a pay to view site at the moment
Pam
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yes charles hall did marry an ellen feek
still looking for any info on charles hall his father was called charles hall and was also a coffin furniture maker
if anyone can give me more info on the halls would be very grateful.
looks like witness on cert is Alfred (albert) Henry Hall
:)
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still looking for any info on charles hall his father was called charles hall and was also a coffin furniture maker
1891 and 1901 info was posted above 2yrs ago now. Have you looked for him on the 1881 and 1871 censuses which are both free on Family Search and will give you parental details for Charles
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?pag=&page=1&countryId=1986340
As explained above - you will have to pay via credits to view the 1911 census as it is copyright protected and Rootschat do not allow info to be posted that cannot be otained using the free 1911 index. This ruling has not changed in the 2yrs since you last posted
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
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This is Charles Hall & family in 1871:
RG10; Piece: 3079; Folio: 32; Page: 8
He married Frances Griffiths in 1859.
Fathers are Henry Hall & John Griffiths.
Henry Hall & family in 1851:
HO107; Piece: 2060; Folio: 380; Page: 20
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I can't see census , any chance you can tell me who is on it please :)
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Children of Henry & Ann Owen m. 23/5/1814 Edgbaston:
Sarah Hall
31 Jul 1815
Louisa Hall
31 Dec 1822
Henry Hall
2 Aug 1824
Ann Hall
13 Oct 1828
James Hall
7 Jan 1828
Thomas Hall
27 May 1831
Hannah Hall b. 29/5/1833
15 Oct 1838
Charles Hall b. 8/4/1836/ father of Charles who married Ellen Feek
15 Oct 1838
Emma Hall b. 9/7/1838
15 Oct 1838
All St.Martin's
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1851:
Henry Hall 54 brassfounder b. B'ham
Ann Hall 49
Thomas Hall 20
Charles Hall 15 b. Shoreditch Middx.
Elizabeth Hall 10
Elisa Hall 10
George Hall 7
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Charles and his son were coffin furniture makers I have charles and Ellen's wedding cert address is Coventry road ,
Not sure if halls you found are mine
On charles son Horace wedding cert he puts father as albert (charles) hall
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Coffin furniture was made from cast brass by brass founders.
Charles says he was born Shoreditch Middx. so does Henry in 1851.
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Just to clear up any confusion you might have Charles who married Ellen Feek is the son of Charles Hall & Frances Griffiths that Charles is the son of Henry Hall & Ann Owen.
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Ok thanks for your help on this :)
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I too am investigating this family and I was unsure about their occupations so I googled it and found this:
Coffins.—Excluding textile fabrics and agricultural produce, Birmingham supplies almost every article necessary for the comfort of man's life, and it is therefore not surprising that some little attention has been given to the construction of the "casket" which is to enclose his remains when dead. Coffins of wood, stone, lead, &c., have been known for centuries, but coffins of glass and coffins of brass must be ranked amongst the curiosities of our later trades. Two of the latter kind polished, lacquered, and decorated in a variety of ways, with massive handles and emblazoned shields, were made here some few years back for King Egbo Jack and another dark-skinned potentate of South Africa. "By particular request" each of these coffins were provided with four padlocks, two outside and two inside, though how to use the latter must have been a puzzle even for a dead king. The Patent Metallic Air-tight Coffin Co., whose name pretty accurately describes their productions, in 1861 introduced hermetically-sealed coffins with plate glass panels in the lid, exceedingly useful articles in case of contagious diseases, &c., &c. The trade in coffin "furniture" seems to have originated about 1760, when one ingenious "Mole" pushed it forward; and among the list of patents taken out in 1796 by a local worthy there is one for "a patent coffin," though its particular speciality could not have met with much approval, as although some thousands of bodies have been removed from our various sepultures nothing curious or rarer than rotten boards and old lead has been brought to light.
It was taken from Showell's dictonary of Birmingham 1881 and can be found
here: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14472/14472-h/14472-h.htm
Another interesting thing is that when searching for Ellen feek the only one I could find was in Middlesex where these references said Charles was born.
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Ellen's father was called john aldous feek , she had a sister called Kate , and Ellen was born in Birmingham ,are we related at all Shirley ?
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I am actually working on this tree for a friend. Julie is ellen's 2x great grand daughter through ellen's daughter Ellen who married Fredrick Wright.
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I'm the same through ellees daughter Elizabeth who married horace ellis , their son Leonard was my mum's dad , what information does Julie have , any pics would be amazing , looking forward to hearing from you , I have a tree on ancestry which I am happy for you and Julie to see
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Hi Shirley
Its been awhile. Im back on the trail. Have you managed to find out anymore info on the feeks ? Thank you Amanda.