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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Christine Knox on Thursday 13 January 11 15:37 GMT (UK)
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Searching Aboyne for theMcHardy family
Other afiliated surnames Durward Cromer Cumming
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1 Birth + 1 Marriage + 1 Death, (McHardy (variant)) between 1538 and 1854
12 male births, 10 female births, 14 male marriages, 4 female marriages, 7 male deaths, 7 female deaths, between 1855 and 2009, Aboyne, Aberdeenshire, surname McHardy.
"Scotlands people" will give you the name references at a price.
Regards
Malky
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Got a few at register house thanks getting there slow but sure ;)
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Christine, you will have fun with the McHardys. There quite a few of them about Aberdeenshire. I have 48 of them in my tree, mainly from the Midmar area of Aberdeenshire, but they do spread out a fair bit.
Regards
Malky
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Before starting my research I thought we all came from Dundee
They are giving me headaches because each generation keeps using the same names I have about 4 David Durward McHardys' and umteen Ann Durwards and Ann Durward McHardys'
no imagination
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Hello There,
I've just seen this post about the McHardy's of Aberdeenshire.
I recently looked into my Scottish ancestors. My 4x great grandma was Margaret McHardy. She was baptised on the 6th of December 1786 in Strathdon. This is what the image of her baptism from "Scotland's People" states:
"Dec.6: John McHardy in Luib had a daughter in fornication with Anne Cameron called Margaret McHardy."
Margaret McHardy went on to marry Alexander Sector (1779 - 1870), but I'm not sure when though. The first child I can find baptised from the pair is John, baptised 1817 in Logie-Coldstone. Then from 1823-1832, they had four more children baptised in Braemar/Ballater.
Margaret died in Birse, on the 28th of March 1865.
I think the amazing thing about the death records on "Scotland's People", is that they hold so much information on them, from 1855, anyway. A lot of them give the father's name and occupation.
They also give the name, maiden surname and occupation of the mother. I was able to find from this that Margaret's parents were indeed not married.
Anyway, sorry for waffling on here. What I am trying to find is where Luib is/ was please?
This is where John McHardy was stated as coming from/ where Margaret McHardy was born. But the only Luib that I can find appears to be on the Isle of Skye. And that is nowhere near Aberdeenshire.
If anyone has any information it would be gratefully accepted.
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Have a look at
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lus/
It refers to Cockbridge in Upper Donside.
Malky
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2608
Interesting that one of the sources for the name is a Reverend McHardy.
Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae lists
- Charles McHardy, born 1747, son of John McHardy in the Luib, Corgarff and Helen, daughter of Andrew Farquharson of Allargue*, was minister of Crathie from 1789 until his death in 1822. He was the author of the Statistical Account of Crathie.
- Charles Forbes McHardy, born 1820, son of John McHardy, farmer, and Janet Stewart, was minister of Corgarff from 1858 to his death in 1891
- William McHardy, son of James McHardy and Margaret Smith, born Strathdon 1801, was minister of Boddam from 1901
*Allargue is about a mile north-west from Luib
BTW there are no fewer than 162 McHardys in Strathdon in the 1851 census! See https://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
You can see where most of the farms they lived in were by going to http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.1644&lon=-3.2131&layers=5&b=1 and dragging the map around.
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Have a look at
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lus/
It refers to Cockbridge in Upper Donside.
Malky
Thank you. :)
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2608
Interesting that one of the sources for the name is a Reverend McHardy.
Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae lists
- Charles McHardy, born 1747, son of John McHardy in the Luib, Corgarff and Helen, daughter of Andrew Farquharson of Allargue*, was minister of Crathie from 1789 until his death in 1822. He was the author of the Statistical Account of Crathie.
- Charles Forbes McHardy, born 1820, son of John McHardy, farmer, and Janet Stewart, was minister of Corgarff from 1858 to his death in 1891
- William McHardy, son of James McHardy and Margaret Smith, born Strathdon 1801, was minister of Boddam from 1901
*Allargue is about a mile north-west from Luib
BTW there are no fewer than 162 McHardys in Strathdon in the 1851 census! See https://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
You can see where most of the farms they lived in were by going to http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.1644&lon=-3.2131&layers=5&b=1 and dragging the map around.
Thank you very much for this,
There's another surname here that is among my Scottish Ancestors: Farquharson:
My 4x Great granddad John Lamond was born on the 8th of November 1807, and baptised at Braemar, the son of Alexander Lamond and (what looks like on the original baptism register) Jannet Farquharson.
But his death certificate from the 9th of April 1891, states that his mother's name and maiden surname was Margaret Farquharson. John's siblings, baptised at the same church between 1805-1814, all have the mother's name being Margaret Farquharson.
The census returns give his place of birth as Strathdon. He died in Portlethen, Kincardineshire.
:)
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You do occasionally get an error in the register of baptisms when the clerk gets a name wrong.
My great-uncle's wife was a McHardy. Her grandfather William McHardy was born in Strathdon sometime in the early 1800s (his age in the census is not consistent) but his second marriage certificate names his parents as Alexander McHardy and Jean McIntosh. I have not found any other record of this couple.
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I've found out that my John McHardy, of Luib married a Christian Downie/ Dauney in 1786:
It appears that Isabel Kellas, was the illegitimate daughter of Christine/ Christian, widow of John McHardy of Luib. Family search actually have her baptism as 26th of June 1797, in Strathdon:
http://genealogy.fgjam.com/ps03/ps03_089.htm
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJG-6YQ
These pages has been very useful to me. It is an old website, but I have got lots of information from it. I have been able to find out that my John McHardy, had six children baptised in Strathdon from 1783-1792.
One of his daughters was Christian McHardy. She was baptised in Strathdon on April the 2nd 1789. She actually married another McHardy. She married William McHardy, and I found them both in Luib on Freecen in the 1851 census. Number 15 here, shows the death record of Christian McHardy, "daughter of John McHardy and Christian ms Downie." Her husband William McHardy, is number 6 on this list of deaths in Strathdon from the year 1861 here:
http://www.oocities.org/swalker7736/deaths_1861.htm
:) ;)
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That sounds like great progress.
Don't forget, however, that FamilySearch only has an index to all this. The originals are available online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, and they may contain additional information that is not included in the index.
If you are anywhere near a LDS Church family history library, I strongly recommend going there and arranging to rent the microfilms of the Strathdon parish registers. Go through them carefully, noting all references to McHardys, including those where the mother was a McHardy, and those where McHardys were witnesses. This is by far the best way to see the pre-1855 records, because you often pick up snippets of information that you wouldn't see if you just download all the McHardy baptisms from Scotland's People, and it's cheaper. There should be a list of LDS FHLs on the FamilySearch web site.
Also that the other two sites you mention are transcriptions, not originals. Again, the originals can only be accessed via SP.
It will probably be worth while, if and when the Kirk Session records go live on SP, taking a look at them to see what additional information is available about the illegitimate births.
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That sounds like great progress.
Don't forget, however, that FamilySearch only has an index to all this. The originals are available online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, and they may contain additional information that is not included in the index.
If you are anywhere near a LDS Church family history library, I strongly recommend going there and arranging to rent the microfilms of the Strathdon parish registers. Go through them carefully, noting all references to McHardys, including those where the mother was a McHardy, and those where McHardys were witnesses. This is by far the best way to see the pre-1855 records, because you often pick up snippets of information that you wouldn't see if you just download all the McHardy baptisms from Scotland's People, and it's cheaper. There should be a list of LDS FHLs on the FamilySearch web site.
Also that the other two sites you mention are transcriptions, not originals. Again, the originals can only be accessed via SP.
It will probably be worth while, if and when the Kirk Session records go live on SP, taking a look at them to see what additional information is available about the illegitimate births.
Thank you. ;)
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Does anyone please know where "Corrybraik"/ Corrybreak is or was please?
I found it in the Strathdon parish baptisms transcriptions.
Thank. :)
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Please rephrase the question including the name of the person baptised and the date of the baptism. The date, in particular, is of great importance because if affects which maps and sources to look at.
PS I just happened on it http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.2210&lon=-3.0971&layers=5&b=1 and http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/655679
But the general principle holds good. If you are looking for information, please always give the maximum amount of already known detail and especially any dates.
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Please rephrase the question including the name of the person baptised and the date of the baptism. The date, in particular, is of great importance because if affects which maps and sources to look at.
PS I just happened on it http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.2210&lon=-3.0971&layers=5&b=1 and http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/655679
But the general principle holds good. If you are looking for information, please always give the maximum amount of already known detail and especially any dates.
Thank you.
It was this baptism with the year date of 1741:
"24th - William McHardy in Corybraik ~ WILLIAM."
Found here:
https://sites.google.com/site/strathdonvitals/opr/240-2_christenings
:)
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Good.
Yes, I think it will be the Corriebreck I happened on. From Gaelic 'coire', usually anglicised as 'corrie' and 'breac', meaning spotted or speckled, pronounced 'breck', which can be anglicised in many different ways.
Before the first edition of the Ordnance Survey six-inch-to-the-mile map in the 1850s, it's usually a matter of either hoping the place you want is on one of the earlier, mainly military maps, and most small crofts are not. In which case you need to see if you can track down any estate maps. We were lucky this time :)
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Good.
Yes, I think it will be the Corriebreck I happened on. From Gaelic 'coire', usually anglicised as 'corrie' and 'breac', meaning spotted or speckled, pronounced 'breck', which can be anglicised in many different ways.
Before the first edition of the Ordnance Survey six-inch-to-the-mile map in the 1850s, it's usually a matter of either hoping the place you want is on one of the earlier, mainly military maps, and most small crofts are not. In which case you need to see if you can track down any estate maps. We were lucky this time :)
Thanks again. :)
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Hello! I am currently researching my McHardy side a we will be visiting Scotland soon. There are so many! My family lived in Monifieth. My great grandfather, who came over to the USA in 1909 was William McHardy, according to his SS application his parents were William McHardy, and Annie Durword or Dorward, depending on who is spelling it. I have been told ancestors had a farm in Luib as well as being related to Charles Forbes mcHardy, Minister of Corgarff. However I am not sure as dates are very close to others. My great grandfather had many siblings as no one else left. Minnie, Ann, George, and more. Hoping to find out more. Some relatives lived at 89 Brook Street in Monifieth. Thanks.
Marlo
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Marlo, if you want to find out more, you should plan a day or two in the Scotland's People Centre in Edinburgh before you go to Monifieth or anywhere else. Don't go anywhere expecting to find all the records locally, because the main ones are held centrally in Edinburgh, and it is much more expensive and more difficult and time-consuming to find them out in the country.
See https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It would also be a good idea to exchange notes with the other people on this thread who are researching McHardys and Dorwards.
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Just to add that The Luib still exists - I pass it most weeks on my way to Tomintoul - where I also have McHardy's. Tricky name as it has so many variant spellings. I have an Alexander McHardy (born about 1770) married to an Isabella McHardy living in Lagganvoulin, Tomintoul in early 1880's. They were married 27th December 1815 Tomintoul. Alexander was a sergeant in the Black Watch previously and had served (was injured) in Battle of Alexandria in 1801. He has a great gravestone in Tomintoul. They seem to have originated in Strathdon, but I have never found births. Her parents were George McHardy and Elisabeth Stephen (who had several other children registered but not Isabella) I think she was born around 1772 and possibly in Auldachie (Strathdon) as that's where her siblings seem to have been born). She died 30th October 1867 at age 85 but she is not buried with Alexander or their descendants. Would she have been taken back to Strathdon to be buried with her family?
Alexander died before her in 1834, but again I can find no birth details for him so I can't trace his parents. Just putting this in the mix incase the McHardy trail travels north from Luib through Corgarff, over the Lecht to Tomintoul (only a few miles)
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I have an Andrew Bisset McHardy born Strathdon in 1864 married into my THOMSON's. They married in Leochel Cushnie Aberdeenshire in 1883, just in case this is relevant.
Annie Lennox also has Aberdeenshire McHardy's in her tree.
:) Jobarnesmum
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Hello there,
Does anybody please know where "Castletown" was in relation to the parish of Strathdon please?
I am presuming it was right near to Corgarff Castle, but I can't be sure. It is from this baptism transcription of McHardy's of Strathdon:
"1742 -William McHardie in Castletown had a child baptized called John
[Also entered in OPR 240/1].":
http://www.oocities.org/mchardyofordachoy/Sources/downloadfiles/OPR240transcriptions.pdf
Also, am I right in presuming that Lower Corriehoul would be somewhere right near to Clashmore, around the area of Corgarff?
It is from this baptism transcription from the same pdf as above:
" 1755 - June 18th - John son of William McHardy in L.Corryhaul."
http://www.oocities.org/mchardyofordachoy/Sources/downloadfiles/OPR240transcriptions.pdf
I can't seem to find them on this map:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.053333333333335&lat=57.1600&lon=-3.1893&layers=5&b=1
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Castletown is/was approx 1/2 mile north of Corgarff Castle, and the Corriehouls are/were East of Corgarff Castle.
Malky
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Castletown is/was approx 1/2 mile north of Corgarff Castle, and the Corriehouls are/were East of Corgarff Castle.
Malky
Thank you very much,
Having looked through some of the transcriptions "L. Corriehoul" might mean "Little Corriehaul", not "Lower Corriehoul" as I originally thought.
A few years ago there was a great website about the genealogies of some of the McHardy's around the Corgarff/ Strathdon area. It told the story and origins going far back. But I don't think that site is available anymore.
I think it was made by either Andrew/Alexander McHardy.
Much obliged. :) ;)
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It was Andrew McHardy's site that is no longer :-\
A number of Strathdon and other MIs, primarily with McHardy connections can be found on Andrew McHardy's Corgarff website
https://sites.google.com/site/strathdonvitals/sources
Is this of any value to you?
https://sites.google.com/site/strathdonvitals/system/app/pages/search?scope=search-site&q=mchardy
Monica
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Thank you,
Yes it is of use to me.
I have just managed to look at Andrew McHardys site via The Wayback Machine on google.
When I find it again I will try to copy a link to it here on Rootschat.
I am typing this on a PS3 at the moment.
It is not quite as nimble as my normal Computer.
Cheers. :) ;) :D
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Here we are I'm back on my "normal computer" now, haha! ;D
This is Andrew McHardy's McHardy website hosted on the Wayback Machine.
There is lots of information on there:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070425020717/http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/amchardy/McHardy/mchardy.htm
I managed to get to it from this link on this page called "Strathdon, Aberdeenshire Downies."
http://www.downieabz.net/Strathdon_Downies.htm
Regards. :) ;)
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That is great that you managed to find it again :) It happens but always sad when great websites go by the by.
Monica