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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: Ohanlon on Friday 14 January 11 09:13 GMT (UK)
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Please, can anyone give me any details (age etc) and/or photographs of the Parish Church in Gowran. Not to be confused with the ancient and ruined picturesque St Mary's in the middle of town.
I think it is called The Church of the Assumption. It is a 'working' church.
Any information would be most welcomed.
Thank you
James
Queensland
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According to this website the 'old' church in town is known as The Church of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary-
http://irishantiquities.bravehost.com/kilkenny/gowran/gowranchurch.html
Think this site will give you contact details for the church you are looking for-
http://www.catholicireland.net/mass-times?task=churchbyparish&ParishID=540
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Thank you,aghadowey ........
I am under the impression that there is yet another RC church, as per Wikipedia/Gowran, which is the working parish church. I seem to recall I read somewhere that it is on the edge of the village. Unless the church I am thinking of (the one which you refer to is also called the Collegiate Church of St Mary) is incorporated in the ruins which are a national monument.
The other website, which I thank you for, gives the mass times only.
James
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The church website gives contact details- phone numbers and email address :-\
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I hate to say so but I emailed the Reverend Father a couple of months ago but have not, as yet, received any reply................................
James
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Have you tried phoning?
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Hmmmmmm ........... I am tempted!
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Yes, luimneach - I take your point. I gather from other comments on websites there is an obvious lack of replies to requests for information, by parish clergy. In many respects I don't blame them. I know from personal experience that requests for BDM information can be an 'imposition' especially when parishes are merging, clergy numbers are not as prolific as they used to be and current priests are expected to take on an ever increasing pastoral workload. Turning oneself in to a genealogical researcher is yet another task and can for some priests be an irritation - at the end of the day it is a matter of priorities.
I rely on members of our wonderful Rootschat family for any information that might be forthcoming on the RC parish church history of Gowran ......... and am grateful for any 'offerings'.
James
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Google maps for gowran and then street view it, if you have
Any questions in relation to gowran or families just ask'
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Thank you Matthews from Gowran - my question would concern the Gleespens.
My great grandparents sailed to NZ in the 1870s from Lower Kilmacow but just a few years before that they were married in Maudlin Street, St Johns before moving to Gowran for the first few years of their marriage. John O'Hanlon (b.1831) was from Maudlin Street and Liza (Elizabeth) (b.1839) was from Gowran.
Elizabeth's parents according to her death certificate were Michael Gleespen (b.1810) and Mary Murphy. Michael's fathr was Michael snr. (b.1790?) As per the Griffith Evaluation.
I was in Gowran in May simply to have a look around the village. A moving experience in a very beautiful setting.
Any information you can share on the family would be most welcome - the Gleespens/O'Hanlons only take me back a few generations, sadly.
Thanks for your posting
James
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Hey there was a heap of you mothers people
Living in the village, they were trades people and
Artisans, don't know where they all net I will
Ask my father he may remember something about
Them , have you looked at the 1901 and 1911 census
For gowran good lot of info there if you ever back
In village let me know.wonder if some of your stonecutter
Uncles stonework is aroun, was a stonecutter my self so I must explore
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Hello again
Thanks for the contact and the ref to the Census - if you come up with any more information I would be very pleased and, if in your travels, you come across some examples of my uncles stonework that would be great. Even better if we could tie any of their handywork to the parish church.
I couldn't locate any of their graves as I wandered around the churchyard - beautifully kept.
Thanks again
James
Queensland.
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well it seems as that is the only spelling of that surname in Ireland at that time. it seems as they were a mostly elderly family and they died out, the younger men in the family were stonemasons, which as a form of building was dying out as concrete was becoming the building material of the future and they may have left Ireland for work.
consider the possibility the family may have been imported from UK as estate workers so you might find out more there, they lived a couple of doors up from my grandmother who died about 15 years ago at the age of 96, they may have even known each other, i will search for the headstone in gowran and let you know. i would search records in america for younger members of family. or the British army records as they have might of joined up as a lot of my great uncles did to fight in world war one they could be buried in Flanders etc, good hunting
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well how are you going on. news for you I found your family headstone in the graveyard it is very well preserved, did not have my camerea with me but they are definitly your people, i spoke to my father he remembers the two sisters they were dress makers, he remembers his father speaking about the family,
my father reckons the name was corrupted to glesson localy
so any more info give me a shout, am delighted to have been of value to you in your search.
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Hello
You have posed a very interesting thought about the Gleespens eventual dying out in Gowran.
I know some Gleesons from Gowran came to Australia many years ago - probably they were related in some way. They became farmers and innkeepers. I will take your advise and look further abroad - many thanks for your help and advise.
I have come across the two maiden sisters. Can you tell me their old address, please? It might be interesting to get a location from the Surveyors map of the Griffith Evaluation for my records.
Would you say all the Gleespens in Gowran were related?
Is there any chance of receiving a scanned digital photogrpah of the grave? Obviously I missed it in my walk around the extensive churchyard.
I attended mass in the parish church when I called at the village. Several children were receiving their first communion and the church was packed and full of atmosphere. Wonderful to think the ancestors received their rites of passage according to the church in this place and I thrilled to receive the sacrament where they did. I enjoyed a couple of pints in Loughlin which I imagine existed when they lived in Gowran - I asked the landlord if that might have been the case but he did not know how old the pub was!
Thanks again .......... you (and your father) have been most helpful.
Regards
James
Queensland.
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http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=KK®no=12310024
Better late than never! Link for RC church Gowran, currently in use :) Click "Additional Images" to get internal views.
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http://www.from-ireland.net/baptism-records-clara-gowran-kilkenny-1809/
Some Baptism records Clara Gowran Parish. Glispen included.
Dates are suspect as surnames are in alphabetical order and also in chronological order ;)
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http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0978
Link for Gowran Parish RC registers.
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=images&county=KK®no=12310024
Internal views of church
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https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2348011/st.-mary's-cemetery
St Marys Gowran
http://kilkennygraveyards.blogspot.com/2017/03/st-marys-gowran-county-kilkenny-part-1_31.html
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2652558/memorial-search?page=1#sr-234414345
A small portion of graves at Church of the Assumption Gowran
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http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=KK®no=12310024
...... Link for RC church Gowran, currently in use
Via the OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
Select MapGenie 25 Inch [1887-1913] in Basemap Gallery.
RC Church and Parochial House in Gowran.
https://arcg.is/1SC5f0
Gowran townland
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/gowran/gowran/gowran/gowran/
OpenStreetMap
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5122565#map=17/52.62923/-7.07536
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4k3-5PVEQ
2 min you tube clip of Church of the Assumption Gowran, showing internal and external views.