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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: hallsenna on Saturday 15 January 11 15:58 GMT (UK)
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Hello all
Having got hooked on finding out more about my forbears I am now in the process of tracing my family tree. The family name is Coker and I have traced it back to a John Coker of Orsett in Essex in the mid-1800's. Any assistance gratefully received.
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Hello and welcome to RootsChat
Hope we can help
To save duplicate look ups could you post either the information you had -or what you are looking for '
Census? BMD? or other thigs
When was John Coker born ?
Do you have his parents??
Suz
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Suz
Got this info from http://www.icspace.co.uk/orsettvillage/census1881.htm
Dwelling: Orsett Heath
Census Place: Orsett, Essex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341422 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1754 Folio 27 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John COKER M 35 M Orsett, Essex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Brick Maker
Fanny COKER M 35 F Orsett, Essex, England
Rel: Wife
Alice COKER 13 F Orsett, Essex, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Edith COKER 3 F Orsett, Essex, England
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HI,
We can go back further with John Coker -is that what you would like??
Suz
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yes, please. I know my grandfather, Robert George Coker (1918 to 2007), told me his grandmother's name was Fanny so figured these had to be the family. Cokers were in Orsett until 1983 when my great-grandmother Ellen died and the remainder were either in Grays or overseas. Any assistance to go further back would be great.
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1871
Heath
Orsett Essex
John Coker head M 26 ag lab Orsett Essex
Frances E wife 26 Orsett
Emma A daughter 3 (believe she is listed as "Alice" in 1881
James Rayner father in law Widower 63 Formerly bargeman Colchester Essex
RG10 1654 26 15
seems John changed his occupation regularly??
1871 ag lab
1881 Brickmaker
1891 General Lab
1901 Carpenter Journeyman
"Fanny" is Frances E in 1871 Fanny in 1881/91
Fanny Elizabeth in 1901
Back in a mo with more
Suz
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Blimey. I'm impressed with the speed! This is a great site!
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1861
Orsett heath Essex
henry Haywood Head M 60 Brickmaker Trenbridge Suffolk
Charlotte wife 41 Hornchurch Essex
Mary Enever mother in law Widow 74 Long Milford? Suffolk (think Mary could be Henry's mother in law from 1st marriage -will check)Edit Mary was Charlotte's mother
John Coker stepson 15 ag lab orsett
Samuel Coker Step son 11 ag lab orsett
Emma Coker stepdaughter 8 Orsett
RG9 1074 23 13
more in a mo
Suz
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marriage reg FreeBMD
Mar qtr 1868
Gravesend
on same page
John Coker
Fanny Elizabeth Raynor
2a 410
Suz
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John's mum's remarriage
Jun qtr 1857
Orsett
on same page
Charlotte Coker
Henry Hayward
4a 129
Suz
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I really appreciate the efforts you are making, this is fantastic
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possible marriage John's parents
Sept qtr 1844
Orsett
John Coker
Charlotte Enever
12277
so Mary was Charlotte's mum-have edited my previous post
Poss death reg for John's dad
John Coker
Jun qtr 1855
orsett
4a 65
(doesn't give age at death during this period)
Suz
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Suz, I am absolutely amazed. With your help this allows me to track back to 1797 for the Enevers( have to track down the birth certificates, etc). this is a great start to my project!
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Was having difficulty finding John in 1851 -no wonder the family are entered as "Coka"!!!!
1851
Baker St Orsett Essex
John Cokaa Head M 50 Carpenter Bulpham? Essex
Charlotte wife 32 Hornchurch Essex
John son 6 Orsett
Saml son 1 Orsett
HO107 1773 329 16
Suz
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and Charlotte's mum
1851
Orsett heath Essex
Mary Enever Head W 65 Gardener's widow Melford Suffolk
Charles son U 19 ag lab Orsett
Wiliam Lilley Lodger M 30 ag lab Orsett
Sarah Lilley Lodger M 20 Chadwell Essex
Emily Lilley Lodger 9mths Orsett
HO107 1773 323 5
more shortly
Suz
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that will throw a track in the family...which s the correct spelling!!!
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It's Coker on every other census
possibly the enumerator just spelled phonetically
personally I never think there is a correct spelling of any surname - baptisms are just written as heard -or misheard in some cases
1841 census
did you know this differs from other census ?
There are no relationships given
Ages are rounded down on adults 15+ years to the nearest 5 yrs (e.g. someone age given 15 could be between 15-19(somtimes people think there are twins or even triplets in the fmily -as there are 2 or more children age 15 in the 1841 census
also only Yes or no is given in answer to whether they were born in the county they were living in -unless they were b Scotland (answer would be S) Ireland (I) or F = Foreign parts
1841
maybe John's father - and possibly he was previously married?
Orsett
Essex
John Coker 40 carpenter yes
Caroline 35 yes
Charles 15 yes
HO107 322 24 13 20
Suz
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I really appreciate this. I have tracked down a signifianctpart of my mothers side of the family (originally from Canada) and am keen to trace the male line for the Cokers back as far as practical.
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Charlotte and parents
1841
Orsett (next door to Grey Goose Farm)
Essex
Edward Enever 44 Gardener yes
Mary 55 yes
Charlotte 23 yes
David 16 ag lab yes
Charles 9 yes
HO107 322 24
If you are looking for birth reg -don't forget official registration did not begin until Sept qtr 1837 -and even then some didn't register
You have to llok for Parish records of Baptisms - and be a little flexible with age - as some weren't necessarily baptised shortly after birth
on some baptism records the actual birth date is given too - but be prepared -one of my ancestors was "born Spring" "baptised the day after the first stone of the chapel was laid "
I ended up researching the chapel too!!!!!
Will have another little look around before I go
If you want parents etc coming forward just ask and I will look up those tomorrow -unless some other RootsChatter finds anything
We are a friendly lot on here and usually all help out
Suz
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My immediate family details are
Grandfather - Robert George Coker (dob 18/01/1918 died 2007)
grandmother - Silvia Ingle (dob N/K died 1983)
i would be interested in hearing from anyone who may be linked to my tree through one of the family names. I use GenesReunited and am happy to link trees
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Just a friendly word
it is RootsChat policy to not post details of the living/maybe living/recently deceased - identity theft etc -so it may be best to remove details of anyone who fits into that category
Regards
Suz
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The marriage reg of Robert George Coker shows his bride as Sylvia P Ingle
This is possibly her birth reg
Sylvia P Ingle
mother's maiden name Clark
Sept qtr 1921
Orsett
4a 1118
(I am assuming she is deceased??)
If not please let me know and I will delete this
Suz
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yes, she died in 1983. point taken on the other persons, I will remove their details
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I think this answers my last question???
Death reg
Sylvia Phylis Coker
born 22 May 1921
death reg Nov 1984
Thurrock
essex
9 63 3099
she was born towards end of may and probably her birth wasn't registered immediately -if it ws registered towards end of Jun then that would put the registration into september quarter
are you a year out whith her death???
Suz
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mght this be the marriage of Sylvia P Ingle's parents??
Louisa Clark
Arthur L Ingle
Sept qtr 1911
Orsett
4a 1164
or do you have this information??
Suz
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Yes, that would be them, I am amazed how quickly you pull this together
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do you want information on Arthur Ingle and Louisa Clark??
I have found something quite interesting
Suz
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yes please ;D
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I will send you some information by PM
Suz
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great
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1901
106 London Rd
Grays Thurrock essex
Charles Ingle Head M 41 Cement labourer Orsett
Emma wife 40 E Thurrock
Charles Walter son 17 general labourer Orsett
Florence Maud daughter 14 Orsett
ARTHUR LEONARD son 12 grays Essex
Alfred son 10 Grays
Pery John Grays
Rg13 1659 7 6
If you require more on the Ingles or Clarks I will look tomorrow -unless anyone else posts the info
Have to go now- need a coffee !!!!
I'm sure you have enought to keep you going - lots of birth regs etc to look up
Regards Suz
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This is wonderful, thank you for your efforts!
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I have to post this -then I really am off
Arthur leonard's WW1 service records are on ancestry
Reg 646900
Private EC Labour centre
when he enlisted he was married (to Louisa)
address was 13 Claremont Rd Romford
discharge address was 64 grove Rd Grays
good character
disability fracture left fibia
pension on discharge 13s 9d weekly
If you post a request on armed forces section there are people on there who can tell you more about where he served etc
Death reg
Arthur Leonard Ingle
born 12 mar 1889
death reg Dec qtr 1978
Havering
greater london
13 0049
Really am off now
More tomorrow
suz
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Good night and thanks ;D
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1891
106 London Rd Grays Essex
Charles Ingle head M 31 Orsett
Emma wife 29 Grays Thurrock
Emily E daughter 10 Northfleet Kent
Charles W son 7 Grays Thurrock
Florence M daughter 4 Grays Thurrock
Arthur L son 2 grays Thurrock
Infant son 10days? Grays Thurrock
RG12 1375 124 10
Suz
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1881
20 Bond St Grays essex
John West Head M 75 gen lab Rotherhaqm? Kent
Mary Ann wife 60 Finsbury kent
Emma daughter 19 Grays
Martha daughter 16 grays
Henry son 24 Lab Carman Grays
Charles Ingle visitor U 21 lab carman Orsett
RG11 1753 15 24
so was Charles Ingle visiting his bride to be ? Emma West?
Yes -but her name was Emma Spells!!
marriage reg freeBMD
Jun qtr 1881
Orsett
on same page
Emma Spells
Charles Ingle
4a 293
I'll finsish off Ingle infoand thengo onto the West/Spells!!!!
1871
Stifford Rd Stifford Essex
William Ingle Head M 46 ag lab Orsett
Emma wife 39 Stifford
William son 19
Robert son 14
CHARLES son 12
Walter son 8
George son 6
John son 4
Elizabeth daughter 10 mth Stifford
children except Elizabeth -all b Orsett
RG10 1652 19 10
1851 Baker St (next to Grey Goose)
(where the Enevers lived in 1841!)
William Ingle Head M 28 ag lab Orsett
Emma wife 19 Stifford
Emily daughter 5mths Orsett
HO107 1773 322 3
Marriage reg freeBMD
Jun qtr 1850
Orsett
on same page
Emma Argent
William Ingle
12 255
1841
Orsett
Mary Ingle 70
William Ingle 18 ag lab
both b in county
HO107 322 24 14 22
1841
Stifford Essex
William Argent 50 lab
Margaret 45
Richard 15
George 10
EMMA 9
Jesse (male) 7
all b in county
HO107 324 9 6 7
next post the Spells /West family!!!
ASuz
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Charles Ingle married Emma Spells in 1881
1881 census Charles Ingle was visiting Emma -but her name was entered as West
here's why!!!!
1871
John West Head M 63 lab Bolton ? kent
Mary A West wife (a fib methinks!!)50 Finsbury kent
John Spells son 31 lab
Mary A Spells daughter 18
Eliza Spells daughter 15
Henry G Spells son 13
EMMA SPELLS daughter 9
Marsha Spells daughter 6
children all b Grays Essex
RG10 1653 47 51
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Mar qtr 1865
Orsett
on same page
Mary Ann Spells
John West
4a 123
1861
17 Bond St Grays essex
John West head M 47 lab Wrotham Kent
Mary A wife 40 Finsbury kent
John son 21 lab in chalk pit
Harriett daughter 18
Esther daughter 11
Mary A dauhgter 8
Eliza daughter 5
Henry G son 3
Ann Tart mother Widow 63 Chatham Kent
children all b grays
all family have surname West
RG9 1073 141 45
1851
Grays essex
John West head W 37 lab Watham Kent
John West son 11 Grays
Harriett West daughter 8 Grays
Charlotte A West daughter 5 grays
Esther west daughter 1 Grays
Mary A Spells visitor U 30 Finsbury kent
HO107 1773 152 51
1841
Tempys? Houses
Road leading to Bond St
Grays Thurrock Essex
John West 27 lab no
Mary Ann Spells 20 no
John Spells 1 yes
HO107 324 10 29 13
nice little puzzle for you????
Suz
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am abit overwhelmed now! ;D My mother has just given a load more information about the canadian side originating from New York in the American war of Independence
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Brilliant -it is always good to get info from family.
Just take it steady and systematically work through the info
There's no rush -it won't go away!!!
I'll leave posting more for a while so you can digest this info.
You have a pretty easy to find family -they stayed close - it doesn't always happen that way!!!
If you are unsure about anything -just ask
Suz
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what is really strange is that my mother has just informed me that we bought one of the family houses in Arthur Street, Grays, in the 1970's and my Great grandmother was still living in Baker Street, Orsett, into the 1980's and then to discover the Finsbury, Kent, connection (I think it is Frindsbury) and we have a house there now! :D
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It's quite amazin what draws you to places associated with ancestors
I found my g g grandfather's grave by accident
Visiting a cemetery on mother's day and suddenly heavy rain started - I ran for shelter -head down and went smack into a six foot high headstone. I just stood looking at it in a daze and then realised it was my GG grandparents and a married daughter of theirs - the cemetery was in the next county to where I thought they would be buried!!!!
I think you are correct with Frindsbury
Wrotham has been entered as Rotherham Kent in one census too!!!!
Sometimes the writing is very difficut to read - but then so is mine!!!!!
Suz
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Been a busy few days as have discovered a completed family tree on my mothers maternal side 9Way family) already done and verified back to 1583 with the family moving from Dorchester in England to Dutchess County, Long Island in America (first records in 1616), through the American War for Independence (where the family split) then our side of the family (the loyalists) received a land grant in Ontario after the war and moved there until my Great-Grandfather came to england in WW1 then married my Great-Grandmother (a Costen in Thurrock) and the rest is history! Now to see what else can be achieved! I am really enjoying this!
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Well done - you willl find your tree will never be finished
There' all the siblings and what happened to them to find out about -and all kinds of different resources to explore
I will see if I can find more about Louisa Clark if you wish????
Clarks research can be quite challenging !!!
Suz
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Suz
Any assistance much appreciated ;D
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Hi Hallsenna well you have got the rooters working overtime, there are a small band of people all over the world who are looking at the Suffolk/Essex/London Cokers if you pm me I will give you the email of Brian Coker in Canada who is running it,in your search round the net do not confuse the Cokers in Devon as being part of the Essex/Suffolk ones .
Best Regards