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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: williams-taylor on Monday 17 January 11 21:25 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for anything on William Tateson who was witness to a marriage between John Williams and Elizabeth Harrison on May4 1812 at St James Grimsby. He may have been a mariner possibly a master. He may be from the East Riding/Humber area rather than Grimsby.....guessing a birth about 1780-90? He may have been a relative........brother in law, cousin, uncle? There are Tatesons in Market Rasen.
I have found a William Tateson Master of a sloop listed in the Goole Shipping Register for 1836..........and a William Tateson lockkeeper at Rotherham in the 1851 census aged 52. He is too young to be the witness..............It is possible the lockkeeper is the same man as the master in which case that eliminates him too.
Can anyone help W-T
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Hi
There are an awful lot of "maybe's" in your request.
With no other info apart from his name on a marriage cert - how would you know which was the right William Tateson if one was found?
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Indeed! Look at my other thread..Tennyson-Williams mystery. Much hinges on finding out about John Williams who has no traceble birth or death record though traditionally he was lost at sea , rumoured off Indonesia in 1824..though how one verifies this ?
There are few William Tateson's to be found of a suitable date. There is in the Goole shipping records a William Tateson, master and co owner of the Princess Elizabeth registered in 1836......................may or may not be the correct one? There is a good chance that William Tateson, witness, was a mariner with John.........even a relative?
So if anyone out there has information on a William Tateson, probably a mariner who could have been in Grimsby in 1812 please get in touch. Tateson is mainly a northern name......but we are investigating the possibility John may have come to Grimbsy via the sea feom Devon/Cornwall.......so a Tateson from there would add some credence to this. The Tennysons are Humberside/Lincs............so likely John is from this area(illegitimately?) as well...........info on his witness might be very helpful in what is a massive and global quest!!!
So if you can help with William Tateson, witness at John's wedding...great!
Best wishes W-T
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My GGG Grandfather is John (Tennyson) Williams. I have researched his genealogy for many years now as did my Grandfather and G Grandfather before. With all the research, I have still not uncovered the mystery of who John Williams is. However, it was passed down through my family from Trever Tennyson Williams (son of John Williams), that John Williams was originally a Tennyson and related (distantly) to Alfred Lord. Believing that, I now have to somehow prove it. You speak as if you may be as far along as I am.
Most that are researching John Williams think that the witness name on the marriage license is William Jut(e)son. Looking at the license, it is difficult to tell, but I am certain that the second witness is Sarah Wood. I hope this information helps you a bit. I will look forward to your response.
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Hi! I descend from Thomas Tennyson Williams..brother of Trevor and so John is also my GGG grandfather. Looking at the hand writing on the marriage entry in the register the name is definitely Tateson..it has been wrongly transcribed as Juteson.......
I am in touch with other Trevors descendants in USA.......as well as descendants of Rachel, and Mary Ann.
We are still not able to prove who John was. Anther descendant from Thomas through his son Henry(Also my line) tells me her aunt talked of scandal and bigamy and all hushed up and not talked about and some Tennyson connection. The question is whose bigamy? Did a Tennyson make an unsuitable marriage which was ignored by his family and he then married someone else. This was to happen to Margaret Tennyson William who slipped off to London with Brandstorms son...only to be brought back and both she and young Brandstorm were married to other people 4 years later.
Did Solicitor George Tennyson father a child before he married Mary Turner?
Did his son George Clayton Tennyson make an unwise liaison while at College....he had a letter from his father warning him about this.......or even earlier. Just why did his father consider him unsuitable to inherit and favour his younger brother, packing George off into the church? He would have to have been a young teenager to have been our John's father given they were both producing children at the same time.
Why was Aunt Elizabeth Tennyson living as a companion at Maim head House in Devon....? Had she been banished?
Rachel Tennyson Williams married in Hedon......where Michael Tennyson father of George Tennyson lived..........is this a coincidence?
So many questions and no answers! Good to be in touch
At some point I shall go to the Rotherham archives to look into William Tateson ...........
Do you want access to my family tree? Best wishes Diane Taylor(nee Williams)
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Thank you for that correction on William Tateson. I will research his name now. I have also been in touch with other descendants of Trever (his name was spelled this way in original documents) and others.
I have many stories of this family, but one of the best is my Grandfather telling me that when he was eleven years old in 1900, his father Charles hired a lawyer in Iowa and sent him to England, with all of the original Trever Williams papers proving the Tennyson heritage, to claim a Tennyson estate thought to be unclaimed. The lawyer never returned from England, the lawyer's family disappeared 6 months later, and my G Grandfather never spoke of the issue again.
You having mentioned there being bigamy involved fits perfectly with my theory. John Tennison (b. 1784) of Preston by Hedon married Ann Foster in 1802 and then disappeared from history. John Tennison was related to Alfred Lord Tennyson through his GG Grandfather Michael Tennison (b. 1663 in Keyingham, Yorkshire). My Grandfather wrote that John (Tennyson) Williams was thought to have married a commoner and disowned by his family. It fits that John Williams was an educated man, being that he was the only one on the marriage certificate that could sign his name.
I would very much like access to Thomas' family tree (all I know of Thomas is his wife Mary and one son John who was married twice), and I would also prefer to communicate out of the public view, but don't know how this would be done. Please advise, and thank you for your response.
Tom Williams
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I have sent you a personal message...have you got this?
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I am descended from Hariett Tennyson Williams who married Joseph Shepherd.
I too have been researching the family for a number of years as my uncle told me about the family rumour. I thought that the Hedon Tennysons were likely. Also have looked online to try and find shipping records to no avail.
This is my first go at RootsChat after seeing your posts so thought I'd broadcast the fact that I too am looking.
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Hello Susan,
Like you, I'm descended from Harriett TW and, if I'm not mistaken, we have corresponded before.
Could you confirm this, please.
Michael
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You can key in John Williams mariner 1812 and come up with quite a few ships...not yet got as far as looking them up further in Lloyds to see what trips they made etc......I went for this date as it was the year John married and described himself as a mariner...probably a red herring. What version of the family rumour did your uncle give you?
I have visited Claxby...lots of Sheherd family grave stones there
Are you in the UK or USA?
Best wishes Diane
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To Mensor38 - Yes Michael. I didn't realise it was you. We got in touch via my Uncle Ken Shepherd who lives in Lincoln. You know I was writing what I had on the family for his 80th birthday. Well I tried to email you a copy but It was returned. I shall try again if you are interested.
To Diane - I am in the UK and have also seen the graves in Claxby as my uncle lives not too far from there. He says that his aunt Peg said that 'we were related to the Tennysons on the wrong side of the sheets!' He didn't take much notice at the time and now she has passed away. She lived with Harriet and Josephs son Frederick (my gg grandfather) for a time and so would have had the story first hand. I am absolutely convinced that there is a connection but it is just proving it.
I haven't researched for a while but shall start looking again. I remember that Tennysons in Paull interested me . If you are interested in my side of the family, I can send you some info.
Kind regards,
Sue
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Yes please.....We have a big family website I can give you access to...will do so off this site. If you are already in touch with Mike do ask him for my email address..Best wishes DIane
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This is my branch of the Tennyson, Williams, Bates (Jones) tree.
I have a bit more if anyone is interested. I just joined this site today and am not familiar with how to use the search options. If you message me, I will provide my email address. I am VERY interested in all branches of this side of my family....ESPECIALLY the elusive, John Tennyson.
Walter Tennyson Bates and Elizabeth Jane Bates. He came with his mother and sisters from Tasmania by boat into Canada and then settled in Berkeley, CA to study with Luther Burbank. He owned his own nursery there. Any info would be helpful - thanks.
My Grandmother, Doris Elizabeth Bates was the youngest born of seven from Walter and Elizabeth. In Hobart, Tasmania.
1. WALTER TENNYSON
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BATES (WILLIAM LAWRENCE
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, JOHN
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) (Source: Information given by Polly Laughlin.) was born
November 15, 1854 in Hull, East Yorkshire, England (Source: (1) Information given by Polly Laughlin., (2) 1881 Census
North Meols, Lancashire, England, film 1341898, PRO, RG 11, piece 3752, Folio 67, page 47., (3) Birth certificate.), and
died December 18, 1905 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia (Source: Information given by Polly Laughlin.). He married
ELIZABETH JANE JONES (Source: Information given by Polly Laughlin.) April 22, 1879 in Poulton Rd, High Park, Lancaster,
England (Source: Information given by Polly Laughlin, marriage certificate, North Meols, Lancashire, England.), daughter of
JOHN JONES and JANE BINGHAM. She was born April 14, 1854 in Preston, Lancashire, England (Source: (1) Information
given by Polly Laughlin., (2) 1881 Census North Meols, Lancashire, England, film 1341898, PRO RG 11, piece 3752, Folio
67, page 47., (3) Marriage certificate., (4) Film 453770, births.)
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Hello Dyan,
Seen your message and welcome. I also have notes of your branch.
I come down from Harriett Tennyson Williams
As to those searching, we are a growing band of descendants, all on the Tennyson Williams hunt.
Please send your e mail address and we can swap notes.
Regards,
Michael Priest
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Please send your e mail address and we can swap notes.
Michael - Dyan won't be able to use the Personal Message system until she has made another post or two. She should not post her e-mail address on this board. You can send her one (and only one) PM, providing no one else has sent her one. :)
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Dyan,
Apparently I'm allowed to send you one message - this being because you are a new member, with restrictions from that newness.
Hre is my e mail address (*)
Michael Priest
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Hello Dyan,
Seen your message and welcome. I also have notes of your branch.
I come down from Harriett Tennyson Williams
As to those searching, we are a growing band of descendants, all on the Tennyson Williams hunt.
Please send your e mail address and we can swap notes.
Regards,
Michael Priest
Hello Dyan,
Seen your message and welcome. I also have notes of your branch.
I come down from Harriett Tennyson Williams
As to those searching, we are a growing band of descendants, all on the Tennyson Williams hunt.
Please send your e mail address and we can swap notes.
Regards,
Michael Priest
Seems a rather rude rule to me. I emailed you but also will post here as it seems I MUST in order to 'join in'.
You know that Walter and Elizabeth moved to Melbourne, then Hobart, then most of the 7 kids went on to Canada and California?
Thanks again for your reply, talk soon
Dyann
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Seems a rather rude rule to me. I emailed you but also will post here as it seems I MUST in order to 'join in'.
Now you have made a second post, you should be able so see little green scrolls under people's names on the left. You can now send PMs or e-mails as you wish. :)
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Would like to know if there are any updates to this information, these questions.
Why was Aunt Elizabeth Tennyson living as a companion at Maim head House in Devon. Is there documentation of this? Am very interested in reading anything about this story.
Thank you so much :-*
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Hello family :)
I am descended from Margaret Tennyson Williams - I have set up a facebook page re: John Tennyson Williams as he has now become my obsession too... it is called John Tennyson Williams Descendants (sorry for no apostrophe for those that will spot it) the cover is a picture of a ship caught in a storm, I have left it public so hopefully you can just join without any issues. I will make it private once we are all in.
I will try and message those that are matched with us via ThruLines on Ancestry too - I wonder if any of the 'famous' Tennysons have uploaded their DNA yet... might be the only way to solve this!
Also managed to find a record for a death at sea in April 1824 - added it to my ancestry tree last night...not 100% on it but its the only death at sea recorded for a John Williams in that year...so it is at least a possibility.
Hope to make your acquaintances on FB soon
Rosie
P.s. I am in the UK and my parents are from Hull