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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northamptonshire => England => Northamptonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Infobunny on Tuesday 18 January 11 07:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi to all hardworking Chatters,
After finally caving in and obtaining a death cert for one of my brick walls (coz I'm cheap ;D) I now know that my gggf William Quelch was born in Northampton(shire). A check of FreeBMD finds a William Quelch registered in the Daventry District in the Qtr Dec 1845. The year at least corresponds to his death cert age of 50 in June 1895 in NZ.
A search of various things (like FamilySearch and some quantum leaping along the way - bad, I know) seems to track him to a town called Weedon Bec. His parents (on his death cert) were William Quelch and Harriett Miller and there is a record of a couple of this name who married on 18 Feb 1828 in Weedon Bec. Well, at least I knew his parents names and they were about the only combo I could find on FamilySearch.
Long story short, I would like to start sticking his family together. Would someone be able to please delve into the census records and tell me who his family was at the time of the 1851 census at least? And where they were born?
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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1851
HO107 1741/64/2
Weedon Beck,Northants
William Quelch 43 shoemaker journeyman b Weedon Beck
Harriet 43 wife b Hyford Northants
Elizabeth 12 dau b Weedon Beck
James 8 son b ditto
William 5 son b ditto
Thomas 2 son b ditto
Mary 2mths dau b ditto
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Oooo!!! :D Thanks so much Isobelruss!!! That's so cool!!
Man, you're quick! I like that in a Chatter :o.
I was just starting to tie myself in a knot. Caught a baptism record for Elizabeth and Mary that couldn't make up it's mind whether they lived in Northants or Bucks! How weird. From your post I've been able to find the kids you listed (which is way cool) but there seems to be a birth for a Rebecca Quelch in 1835 to the parents but she's not in the census. Did she exist in 1841? Or do I have an incorrect child?
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hello Bunny
I was just trying to find them in 41 but without success so far.I,m now searching on first names.
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Oh you are just so awesome! I really appreciate your time.
I had a look through the internet and there have been mentions on other forums of Quelch people living in Cheneys, Bucks and in Buckingham, Bucks. Goodness knows if they are related or not but it could be another place to look in the 1841.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Ive looked at all Quelch and variants but your family arent showing in any county.Cant get a result for Weedon Beck in 41 either.Wish I had the discs .Ive got 51,61 discs but not 41 so cant do a manual search .Maybe someone else will be able to help with 41.
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Could I give you a hug for trying...and then cheekily ask for 1861??? ;)
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Hi Bunny,
They are impossible to find in 1841 and not having much luck 1861 either.
But some good news!
QUELCH, all Christened/Baptised St Peter and St Paul,Weedon Bec, Northants to WILLIAM/HARRIET, Father a Shoemaker;
REBECCA, 19 April 1835 (she is a Servant in Warwickshire in 1851.Marries William DODD 1855)
ELIZABETH, 09 December 1838
JAMES, 06 November 1842
These may fit in your Tree later all in Weedon;
Burials;
THOMAS Quelch, 11 June 1836, Age 81
ELIZABETH Quelch, 08 July 1838, Age 55
(John/Eliz may have been Married as there is a Mary to them 1815 and John is a Shoemaker. Possibly the Parents of William?)
JOHN Quelch, 25 February 1848, Age 68
All on FreeREG;
www.freereg.org.uk
It may be worth checking FreeReg now and again as new Records are being added all the time by Volunteers.
Trish :)
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1871 Census
5 Gulstone Cottages,
St John, London, England
RG10/124/12/15
Mary Ann HIND, 46, Head, Widow, Laundress, born Westminster
Lavinia H Hind, 14, Daug, Unm, Laundress, born Westminster
W FOSTER, 18, Friend, Confectioner (out of employ), born Westminster
Harriett QUELCH, 63, Mother, Widow, Charwoman, born Heyford, Northamptonshire
J Quelch, 28, Son, Unm, Occp?, born Weedon, Northants
Mary Quelch, 20, Daug, Unm, Machinist, born Weedon
J/Mary are down as Mary Hind nee Quelchs Children but should be her Brother/Sister and Harrietts Children I think.
Probably James born c 1842 and Mary c 1841 from 1851 census.
Names and POB seem to fit but was Mary born c 1825 a child of Harriets before she Married?
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Possible from FreeREG;
Harriett MILLER, Baptised 06 September 1810, St Peter and St Paul, Nether Heyford, Northamptonshire
Parents, JOHN/ANNE
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The 1841 census for Weedon is lost - probably never to be seen again!
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Woohoo!!! Way to go Trish!!! ;D (I'll get back to you in a minute).
Dear Southistle......WAH! :'( . Bunny pout at lost census! Will have to work on something there. Maybe wave my ears for better census reception or something. A big thank you for letting me know so I don't go mad looking there.
Anyway..back to your finds Trish. Thanks so much for the 1871 data. It's very interesting and at least confirms James and Mary. As for this other Mary.... :o. That might take some sorting out. Hum. Put in bunny cage for later. Okay so by 1871 William the father was departed of this life. Will note that down. Lovely to know that Rebecca got married! Goodness knows how she ended up in Warwickshire (must look at map to see where it is).
Believe with all my fur that William the child of 1845 was also in London during the 1871 census as he married my gggm Ellen Archer on 7 July 1872 at St Mary's, Lambeth district. So I wonder where he was hanging out?? (Oh fiddle, have found entry for marriage on 4 August 1872...genealogy drives you nuts sometimes)
And where was his brother Thomas and his sister Elizabeth?? More questions than whiskers!
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Okay I've managed to find two marriage records for an Elizabeth Quelch with father William Quelch. First one marries James Joy on 27 February 1859 at St Mary's in Surrey, and the second marries Thomas Foster on either 6 October 1867 or 26 October 1868 (can you believe there are two entries for the same people for different dates???).
Could someone please check if an Elizabeth Joy or Elizabeth Foster was born in Weedon, Northants approx 1838?
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi to everyone discussing Quelch, Weedon family. I have just caught up with the chat, however can add the following.
William Quelch (b. 1845) and his wife Ellen (nee Archer) emigrated to New Zealand, lived in Auckland, and had the following children : William James (1873-1934), Thomas Henry (1875-1876), Thomas (1876-) Harry Percy (1878-1879), Harriet Ellen My grandmother (199--1927), Harry Archibald (1882-1950), and Sydney Herbert (1885-1971). Harriet Ellen married my grandfather, Frederick Harry Jenner, who was born in Cranbrook, Kent. They had one son, my father, Ronald Frederick Jenner, born 12 July 1918 in Auckland, and died 6 May 2002.
Both William and Ellen are buried in Waikumete Cemetery in Auckland. There are still Quelch family members living in Auckland.
Hope this is helpful to anyone interested.
Cheers
Margaret
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Dear Margaret,
Blimey! You're my COUSIN!!!! Welcome to the family!! That can mean our family or the Rootcshat family - we are all one in genealogy! :D
Thank you so much for giving me the name and dates of your father. I hadn't managed to find any children from Harriet and Frederick as of yet. Thomas Quelch is my great grandfather. Do you know that my dad and I didn't know that Thomas had any other brothers and sisters apart from William James. So it was a shock to find all the other kids. I'm still trying to prove the family story that Uncle Bill (Thomas' son William) told me that William Quelch was an alcoholic who used to sell the furniture when he wanted drink money, and that Ellen used to lock him out of the house. So one night he froze to death on the porch after coming home drunk and finding the door locked. :D
Where do you live Margaret? I'm in Wellington!
Maybe you can help me with one question - do you know any information about Ellen Archer apart from her dates and where she is buried? This is before I go and get the cert from the UK.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
(hopping around happy to have a new cousin!!!)
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Hi there - so pleased to know that we have some relations, especially in NZ. I live in Auckland, and have 2 older brothers - one in Auckland and 1 in Huntly.
Harriet also had a daughter before she married my grandfather - born Myrtle Eva Quelch - I have the birth, marriage and death certificates for her, and she is buried in Tuakau cemetery under the name Myrtle Eva Filmer (she married twice).
Harriet died when my father was 8, and he went to live with William and his wife Rose in Devonport, Auckland, for a year until his father remarried. William and Rose had a number of children also, and most, if not all, of William and Ellen's children are buried in Auckland. I can give you places, dates etc at a later date, as I am at work at present.
The stories about William are Ellen are correct. William had a shop in/around Pitt St in Auckland, and sold birds. He was an alcoholic, and when he ran out of money he would go home and take some of the furniture and sell it. He died in hospital after he came home one night and Ellen refused to let him inside, so he slept on the front porch and caught pneumonia.
We have some photos of both William & Ellen, one of William with a bird on his shoulder outside the shop.
Cheers
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
Oh wow, it's so good to hear about people I've grown up only knowing as names. I would love to know more about the family and especially see if I can obtain copies of the certs. I had to get William Quelch's death cert as I had no idea just where he had come from. I have managed to find a few Quelches about the Auckland area but that's mostly through use of the web. I had found Myrtle Eva (number 1) but wasn't sure if she was Harriet's. Would love to hear more about that story!
I would really love to see photos of the family! I can't believe that you have some!! That's so awesome! I really must see if I can find a better photo of Thomas than I have - it's a paper photocopy and not very good either.
Big hugs to you,
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi Bunny
It is so good to hear from someone who obviously has heard some family stories, as Dad was only 8 when Harriet died, so didn't hear a lot about the family as he grew older, although he did stay in contact with some of them.
Harry Archibald (one of Harriet's brothers) married Martha Elizabeth on 11 August 1905, and had a daughter born in 1906 (I think) who was also called Myrtle Eva, so I am not sure which one you have picked up on. Harriet's daughter was born on 30 December 1899, and Dad could remember her visiting the house before his mother died. He never knew who the father was, but could remember visiting a car-body shop (the old equivalent of a panelbeater, I think), around Pitt St in Auckland, and always being welcomed as if he was one of the family. He always felt that maybe one of the sons was Myrtle's father. He always remembered how much Myrtle looked like Harriet. I have a very old photo album which was given to Harriet by Tom, who was apparently her favourite brother, which has some photos of family members, and I also have Harriet's wedding photo. Myrtle was brought up by Arthur Joseph McKeon aqnd Cecelia McKeon (nee Quelch), obviously a family member but none of the family that I know seem to know who she was). Do you have any information on Cecelia?
I can give you copies of the certs I have, and would be interested to see the information you have.
It would be great if we could meet sometime, and you could see photos etc, and I would love to meet a relative, as we do not have a lot of them in my family.
Cheers
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
I'm so sure we can arrange all sorts of things!
I'm sending you a message on the private network. It will appear in your email box like normal but just a different type of title. My uncle lives in Auckland so maybe he's close to you.....
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Far out! I'm looking all over the place for Cecilia and Arthur but can't seem to find anything. I can find an Arthur Joseph McKeon death registration for 1929 but no Cecilia!
Grr....where are they?
Have to dig rabbit warren...
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi Info Bunny and Margaret,
I am so HAPPY for you both that you have made contact.
Good luck with it all :) ;D
Trish, from Hamilton originally!
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WILLIAM Quelch, Christened 20 March 1808, St Peter/Paul Weedon Bec to JOHN/ELIZTH
Siblings;
ANN 03 May 1801
THOMAS 15 May 1803, Buried 27 July 1817, Age 14
JAMES 25 August 1805
JOHN and SMITH 27 October 1810 (Twins)
MARY 11 June 1815, Fathers Occp Shoemaker
CAROLINE 14 Jan 1818
HANNAH 09 May 1824, Father Shoemaker
(All on FreeREG)
Strangly SMITH is down as Buried 08 Oct 1810 and it must be mistranscribed and should possibly be 28 Oct.
So at least confirms William Parents :)
Cant find a Marriage in Northamptonshire for John/Elizabeth.
The Burials I quoted earlier for a John and Elizabeth are probably them also.
As 1841 Census is missing we cant find John who died 1848 on it!
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JOHN Quelch Baptised 05 May 1779, Weedon, to THOMAS/ANN
MARRIAGE;
Thomas QUELCH
Ann BURBIDGE
Both of Farthingstone Parish
16 Nov 1778, St Mary The Virgin, Farthingstone, Northamptonshire
Burial I found earlier for a THOMAS Quelch 1836 age 81 is probably him, so born c 1755!
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Good to see rellies finding each other on the forum.
Although Freebmd is a brilliant source, Alan Clarke and
Marilyn Pontings Northants Index have some more information
noted. They are a God send for us in the County.
Weedon Bec C of E
Wm QUELCH s of John & Elizth 20 Mar 1808 born 19th Mar
Thomas QUELCH s of John & Elizth 15 May 1803 born 9th May
James QUELCH s of John & Elizth 25 Aug 1805 born 17th Aug
John QUELCH s of John & Elizth 27 Oct 1810 twin born 24th Oct
Smith QUELCH s of John & Elizth 27 Oct 1810 twin born 24th Oct
Sandy
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The other baptisms are as noted.
Mary & Caroline's baptism say Lower Weedon.
There was Upper and Lower parts of the village.
Also Caroline bap may have been 01 Jan 1818
John's daughter Ann seems to have a child out of wedlock
Elizth on the 26 Nov 1820
Sandy
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Dear Trish and Sandy,
You guys are BRILLIANT!!!!! Oh that's SO awesome to have so much new information on the family!!
HUGE bunny hugs for you both!! Oh wow! ;D
I've never come across that Northants index - you're so lucky! And now me and my family are too!!
Yay, yay!
Oof! (just fell over my feet). Now I have heaps of hole filling to do (not all dug by me) so I can figure out what's left.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi, I know this is now such an old thread, but if those who have posted on here can still read this I would just like to say a huge thank you for posting this information, as it's contributed greatly to my own family tree, particularly to adding Thomas Quelch born 1775 and all of his children. I had only reached as far as his son John (twin of Smith) who is my gggggfather.
It looks like several of here are distantly related...! Greetings to New Zealand! I can provide information regarding John's family tree leading down to the present, please contact me or reply here if interested.
Thanks!!
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Dear, dear Talisman35,
So very pleased to meet you! HUGS from New Zealand!!!! :D It is wonderful to find another cousin!!! Isn't this forum marvellous???
I would be more than appreciative to learn of your family tree. Your gggggfather John and my ggggfather (I think I have that right) William were brothers. It is so not easy trying to chase everyone down through the generations when their names are common-sounding or you don't know if they have moved over time.
There are a couple of things for you to know about this forum. Firstly the moderators won't allow people to post their email addresses and will remove them to protect people from spam. Secondly, if you look at the left of my posting you will see my username <Infobunny> and underneath that you will see a couple of small icons. The one that looks like a piece of paper with writing on it is an off-forum messaging system. It is still within the website but is not able to be publicly viewed. You need to have made three postings on the forum for yours to become active. So far you have made one posting.
To further your journey to unlocking the messaging system and allow private communication, would you be agreeable to maybe posting some details of John Quelch (twin of Smith) and his family?
If you have any questions about anything - just ask! There are thousands of people on this forum willing to help anyway they can. And I'm here for your NZ connection.
So cool that you are here!
Cheers,
Bunny 8)
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Hi everyone,
Another late addition to this thread! Thanks so much for everyone posting, I'm excited to find some NZ relations (cousins?)
I have only just been diving into Quelch history today! John Quelch (1810), brother to Thomas, James, Smith, Charles and William, is my ggggrandfather (I think).
If anyone is still active on here and has info or photos they would be able to message to me privately I'd be excited to see them!
I x
(edit: just saw that I need to post a few more times for messaging, so I will try and get some more info on here)