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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: pjm99 on Wednesday 19 January 11 07:41 GMT (UK)
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Listers,
I am trying to locate Richard and Martha Cusick on the 1851 census. They should be in Clerkenwell, Middlesex but I can't seem to find them. Of their children, Annorah (Laura) was baptised in Clerkenwell in 1848 and Ellen Margaret was baptised in Clerkenwell in 1856. (I also believe there is a Richard c1851 but haven't proved that yet.) I know that this does not prove that they were there all of the time in between but it is reasonable starting point.
Richard and Martha were married St John the Baptist, Hoxton, in 1845.
Grateful if someone could locate them.
Peter
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I can't seem to find them in either 1851 or 1861 census.
Can't even find the marriage on FreeBMD?!
Are you sure the names are correct? ;)
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I see that Richard was a Paper Stainer on Annorah Penelope Cussick's baptism record (she was actually born Sep 1847), so is this a coincidence? (cant see the Family in 1861 ... )
1851 census of Clerkenwell - HO107; Piece: 1517; Folio: 124; Page: 45 - 12, Noble Street
Richard Hart 35 Head of Household born Ireland: a Paper Stainer
Martha Hart 22 Wife born Bishopsgate
Hannah Hart 3 dau born Clerkenwell
Ellen Margaret's baptism in Pentonville 1856 has the surname spelled CUISICK
Marriage in LMA records; here's the GRO marriage:-
Marriages Mar 1845
BENSTEAD Martha Shoreditch 2 291
CUSIET Richard Shoreditch 2 291
The Martha in 1851 is aged 22 .... here is Martha Benstead, age 12 (mother Penelope - good link to Annorah's christening) in the 1841 census:-
HO107; Piece 708; Book: 4; Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 15; Folio: 40; Page: 16 - HOXTON Old Town, Georges Square
Penelope Banstead 45
Hannah Banstead 15
Elizabeth Banstead 15
Martha Banstead 12
George Banstead 8
all born in the County of Middlesex.
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Thanks both replies. In answer to the first yes the names are correct. Attached is a copy of the marriage record.
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Apologies wrong image posted.
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thoughts ?
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Hi
Parts of the images of certificates and parish register entries can be posted on Rootschat for deciphering purposes but not whole images because of copyright issues. Please transcribe the information from certificates/parish registers and post that information instead.
Regards
Valda
co-moderator London and Middlesex
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Hi
20th January 1845 St John the Baptist, Hoxton
Richard Cusick Full Age Bachelor Paper Stainer Paul Street James Cusick (deceased) Commercial Clerk
Martha Benstead Full Age Spinster Paul Street William Benstead (deceased) Woollen Draper
Martha made her mark
Witnesses William Benstead and Elizabeth Benstead her mark
19th December 1858 St Mark, Shoreditch
Thomas Peacock Full Age Bachelor Printer This Parish Thomas Peacock Grocer
Martha Cuisack Full Age Widow This Parish Wm Benstead Commercial Traveller
Martha made her mark
Witnesses George Lineham and Elizabeth Peacock
1861 census RG9 215 folio 115
147 Aldersgate Street St Botolph without Aldersgate City of London
Thomas Peacock 24 Head Married Compositor Islington London
Martha Peacock 29 Wife Married Bishopgate Middlesex
Ellen Cuisack 7 Daughter St Lukes Middlesex
Thomas Peacock 1 Son St Bartholomew Middlesex
Births Dec 1853 CUISICK Ellen Hart St Luke 1b 505
St James Pentonville 6th April 1856
Ellen Margaret Cuisick parents Richard and Martha, 29 Hermes Street Pentonville, father's occupation plumber
Regards
Valda
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Apologies if I caused a copyright issue the data contained is:
Date: 20 January 1845
Groom: Richard CUSICK of full age, Bachelor, Paper Stainer
Abode: Paul Street
Groom’s father: James CUSICK (deceased), Commercial Clerk
Bride: Martha BENSTEAD of full age, Spinster
Abode: Paul Street
Bride’s father William BENSTEAD (deceased), Woollen Draper
Ceremony: Married in the District Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me James Rickards M.A. Curate
Witnesses: W BENSTEAD (signed)
Elizabeth BENSTEAD (made her mark)
Regards
Peter
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Births Dec 1853 CUISICK Ellen Hart St Luke 1b 505
Thanks Valda - that seems to confirm my 1851 find .... something odd going on there ;)
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Mort29,
Many thanks for the 1841 info showing Martha aged 12, at home. I will try and look at the 1851 census image you found to see if it is a likely match.
Valda,
Also many thanks for the second marriage to Thomas Peacock and the 1861 census info.
Regards
Peter
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I will try and look at the 1851 census image you found to see if it is a likely match.
Just looking at the 1851 entry isnt going to tell you much more than my deductions / reasons for showing it.
Linking it however with Valda's info on the 1853 GRO Index entry for the birth of the Ellen HART Cuisick, and her presence with the 1861 Peaccock family strengthens the case.
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Hi
20th June 1810 St Martin in the Fields, Westminster
William Benstead
Penelope Burkin
by banns
Bishop Transcript not the full register
1851 census HO107 15?9 folio 303
18½ Coburg Street Clerkenwell Middlesex
Penelope Benstead 59 Head Widow Monthly Nurse Crroydon Surrey
Elizabeth Benstead 24 Daughter Fancy Box maker Bethnal Green Middlesex
16th October 1842 St Matthew Bethnal Green born 16th December 1828
Martha Benstead parents William and Penelope, Collingwood Street, father's occupation clerk
St Leonard Shoreditch 30th January 1837
William Benstead 46 St Matthew Bethnal Green
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
Thanks again you're a star.
Mort29,
The reason for suggesting a look at the image was I wasn't sure whether you had looked at the original image or a transcript. If you looked at the image I won't waste my time.
Regards
Peter
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All,
I have now had a chance to look into your findings a little more - Cu(i)sick/Hart etc. I know you have all put in a lot of effort to try and identify a family (in 1851) in Clerkenwell that might fit. My main concern is that on Ellen Cuisick's baptism record at Clerkenwell (the actual image) it says:
1856 April 6 Ellen Margaret, Richard & Martha, Cuisick, 29 Hermes Street Pentenville, Plumber.
No mention of Hart and I am concerned that "Marg" and "Hart" are quite similar. I think I will have to order Ellen's birth certificate to see if there was a transcrition error or if the Hart connection is real.
I will add another post when I get the cert.
(While I am posting I owe Mort29 an apology. My posting looked abrupt and seemed rude on second reading. I know listers can spend a lot of time chasing down queries looking for possible answers and I, for one, am very grateful - sorry.)
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No worries.
Unfortunately, the 1853 Birth Index entry is typewritten, so if HART was interpreted from MARG, its not going to be easy to find out. I dont know if its possible to view the original than perhaps at the LMA or wherever the original St Luke Registers are kept?
It is perhaps more than a coincidence when you combine the 1851 find (Richard a Paper Stainer, Martha the right age and PoB etc) of a HART family with that BIE for an Ellen HART Cuisick in the right sort of area?
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I have ordered a copy of the birth certificate so at least we will know whether the typewritten entry is the same as the original. I will post again when it arrives. However, I do agree that it does appear more than a coincidence.
Regards
Peter
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I have now received the birth certificate. It is the right family Richard Cuisick and Martha, formerly Benstead, and the name definitely looks like Ellen Hart. I think I'm OK copying some fragments of the image - the name and a snapshot of the address. I would appreciate others taking a look. The address looks like ___tailor Street, St Luke.
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Hi
I've modified your message and joined the two together to leave the best image. It is perfectly fine to post parts of images for deciphering purposes.
I would suggest the address is 42 Waterloo Street. Checking Your Archives street index for the 1851 census the street went up to 42.
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:St_Luke_Registration_District,_1851_Census_Street_Index_T-Z
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
Many thanks. For both sorting out my lousy posts and the address info.
regards
Peter
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Hi
Your second attempt at attachments looked pretty good to me.
Regards
Valda
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This is a very interesting piece of detective work about Martha BENSTEAD and Richard CUISICK/CUSICK/CUSACK. The image of their daughter Ellen's birth certificate seems to me to show her as "Ellen Hart." with a period after Hart, as if Hart is an abbreviation for Harriet.
Does any one know what happened to either of the CUSICK daughters?
I have information about Martha BENSTEAD and her second husband, Thomas Ralph PEACOCK, and five children. Are you interested in that? I hasten to add that I don't know the fate of either Martha or Thomas PEACOCK.
Graeme
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Graeme,
Although Ellen's birth cert says Ellen Hart (you may well be right about an abbreviation) at the time of her baptism in 1856 in Clerkenwell she had become Ellen Margaret. She went on to marry George Denton at St Pancras in 1905. Her sister (Annorah/Honora/Laura) was I think born (free BMD shows a registration for Honora Penlope - I have the cert on order) in 1847. She was baptised at Clerkenwell (Annorah) in 1848 and she went on to marry (as Laura) William George SIMKIN at Bethnal Green in 1868.
I do have the details of the Thomas Peacok/Martha wedding in 1858 and the 1861 census showing them at st Botolph. You will see from the start of this post that it is the Cusick ancestors I'm really interested in.
Thanks
Peter
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Peter
Many thanks for the reply. If you ever find out what finally happened to Martha CUSICK after she became PEACOCK I'd love to hear about it.
Graeme
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Hi
1871 census (1861 census already given) RG10 566 folio 120
145 Devonshire Street Mile End
Thomas R Peacock 31 Head Married Compositor Islington Middlesex
Martha Peacock 39 Wife Married Bishopgate Middlesex
Thomas Wm Peacock 11 Son St Bartholomew Middlesex
Elizabeth M Peacock 8 Daughter Islington Middlesex
Martha Peacock 4 Daughter Islington Middlesex
George C Peacock 2 Son Mile End Middlesex
1881 census RG11 348 folio 24
20 Berkley Street Clerkenwell
Thomas R. Peacock 41 Head Married Printer Compositor Islington London
Martha Peacock 44 Wife Married Bishopgate London
Martha Peacock 15 Daughter Islington London
George C. Peacock 12 Son Islington London
Last sighting
1891 census RG12 39 folio 92
39 Marylebone Road North Hammersmith
Martha Peacock 53 Head Married Sick Nurse City London
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
Thanks very much for your contribution. I had found the 1871 and 1881 census entries, but not the 1891 one. (In the 1880s most of that PEACOCK family moved to Australia, and two of her children married there and stayed there.) Her age in 1891 is not a good match: she was born in 1828 and would have been 62 or 63 in 1891, not 53 as recorded. But that still might be 'my' Martha BENSTEAD, because she had fudged her age in almost every other census. I still haven't found her second husband in 1891 or his death before that, nor have I found her death.
Many thanks again
Graeme
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I have now received the birth cert for Honora/Annorah. It confirms that when the birth was registered that the name recorded was Honora Penelope and they were living at 22 Albion Place Clerkenwell.
As Martha (as Widow) remarried to Thomas Pecock in 1858 Richard must have died sometime bewteen 1853 (Ellen born Oct 1853) & 1858 I would like to trace his death/burail if SKS could help.
(The only possible on FreeBMD I've found is: Deaths Mar 1858 – Cusack Richard West London 1c 32.)
Thanks
Peter
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Hi
West London is the civil registration district for the City of London (there was a west and east). The Peacocks were living in the East London registration district on the 1861 census.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda. I just couldn't see another likely candidate.
Peter