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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: annypanny on Wednesday 19 January 11 14:28 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
If there's someone who specialises in the Hebrides especially Stornoway does anyone have any information on emmigration on the MacLeod family who lived in Keose, on the island of Lewis.
My Grandmother's Uncles supposedly emmigrated to Canada just after the turn of the century but I'm having a nightmare trying to trace them on passenger lists due to the frequency of the name (and christian names). Is there a list of people who had assisted passage, I think he may have had something to do with the Hudson Bay Co.
I went onto the Hebridean Connections website which states that George MacLeod emmigrated to vancouver but no source as to where the original info came from except from Gleanings: The Genealogy of Kinloch, Isle of Lewis and History of the Area. I've uncovered as much as I can from the IGI which gave some information but SP is impossible without spending a fortune.....as you've no clue as to who the mother is...
Here's the vital details of the family and if anyone has any connections would be glad to here from you.....
Thanks in advance......
Family Group Sheet for Malcolm Macleod
Husband: Malcolm Macleod
Birth: Abt. 1837 in Keose, The Lochs, Stornoway
Marriage: 19 Dec 1867 in Lochs, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Father: Roderick Macleod
Mother: Mary Macleod
Wife: Margaret Mckenzie
Birth: Abt. 1845 in Stornoway
Death: 26 Feb 1911 in 8 Hancock Court, Francis Street Stornoway
Father:
Mother:
Children:
1 Name: Annabella Macleod
F
Birth: 01 Oct 1869 in Lochs Ross and Cromarty
2 Name: Annie Macleod
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Birth: 05 Dec 1871 in Keose, Hebrides, Scotland,
Death: 27 Jan 1921 in Royal infirmary, Glasgow
Marriage: 06 Jul 1898 in 35 Hutcheson Street
Spouse: Robert Finlay
3 Name: Mary Macleod
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Birth: 14 Aug 1874 in Lochs, Ross and Cromarty
4 Name: Murdo Macleod
M
Birth: Abt. 1877 in Keose, Lochs Ross and cromarty
5 Name: George Macleod
M
Birth: 1881 in Keose, Lochs, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
6 Name: Roderick Macleod
M
Birth: Abt. 1888 in Lochs Ross and Cromarty
7 Name: John Macleod
M
Birth: 24 Jul 1883
Death: 16 Sep 1884
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Wasnt the Macleod family part of Ian Hislop's or David Tennants WDYTYA?
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Can't remember! I remember Ian Hislops being in Ayrshire but David Tennants, not sure....
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Hi
Oh dear, Lewis is full of McLeods - poor you :-\
Which of the people that you've listed are the uncles besides George and have you got them on the 1911 in Canada or any deaths to match up parents' names?
JL
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AnnyPanny,
Mymemory was correct however Ian had the Murdo name and Tennant had the McCleod name in Ireland so I was kind of wrong as well lol. Good look with your search
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This is where it became complicate.....I tried SP for Murdo, George and Rodericks BCs and going by the 1901 census tried a year either way on the year but there were loads of people with the same name born in Stornoway but with no mother's name so couldn't pinpoint their dob. On the Canadian census, again had the same problems as there were loads MacLeods but without their date of birth I can't pinpoint them, and Murdo was a labourer which means he probably would have taken any job in Canada in the 1901 census so I can't use an occupation to pin him down...ie a barber or a tailor etc.....
In regards to deaths for Canada, on Ancestry they don't give a lot of info...I've a few possibilities but nothing conclusive....
Ma hied's spinning.....Any help would be appreciated.......
Thanks
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Have I got the correct family in 1901 _
20 Bells Road, Stornoway. Malcolm is a butcher and Roderick down as Roderick J ?
JL
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that's them
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I've been going through the passenger lists and I'm not having much luck - could be them/might not be them, etc. Also, I'm only OK with Ontario records and so far I've not found any marriages.
JL
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Thanks anyway, it's a bit of a difficult task......
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Have you tried the Canada board. There are some very good researchers there who might be able to help :)
I'll PM you :)
JL
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No haven't, but will give it a try.......many thanks again...
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sorry I can't shed any light on your McLeods but just wanted to sympathise as I'm trying to look for a Flora McLeod from that part of the world who married a Murdoch McKenzie. With those two names I'm getting into a real nice tangle. Hope you have success in tracking them down.
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Yes, I feel as though someone trying to knit my brain....... ??? Anyway, it's all part of the fun.....
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anny, there's a MacLeod, a butcher, makes Stornoway Black Pudding! What about this guy Lawson in Lewis/Harris, who has a big databank of folk from the Long Island? don't know the link unfortunately. skoosh.
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anny, there's a MacLeod the butcher, makes Stornoway Black Pudding! What about a guy called Lawson who has a big database on folk from Lewis/Harris, don't have the link I'm afraid. skoosh
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There is the following Mudo MacLeod born Feb 1875 from Ross Co Parish of Lochs who signed up in WW1. Do you think he might be yours?
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc012/536392a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc012/536392b.gif
Karen
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The link for the Lawson chappie is
http://www.billlawson.com/books.htm
I've contacted the museum where he had an exhibition and awaiting a response......Mmmm Black Pudding, you're just making me hungary..... :P
In regards to the attestation papers, wish it was him but his Mother's name wasn't Christine... thanks anyway...
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They still sell Stornoway Black Pudding all through the Long Isle and into Skye and on the Mainland. It's very good but Cockburns of Dingwall black pudding is a good 2nd ;D ;D ;D but I'm not sure that it was produced by your ancestor :-\
Anyway, I think that we should really be concentrating on the Canadian records :-\
JL
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Do you have exact birth dates for the ones that came to Canada?
Karen
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Have I got the correct family in 1901 _
20 Bells Road, Stornoway. Malcolm is a butcher and Roderick down as Roderick J ?
JL
This looks like a good match for Roderick John's attestation papers in WW1. He lists Murdo McLeod, his brother as his next of kin. They are living in Vancouver, BC
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc012/537235a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc012/537235b.gif
Karen
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Karen,
Mmmm interesting....It may be them, I'll try to check them out on the 1911 census. Thanks very much..... ;D
Was this on ancestry?
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No, Library and Archives Canada. You can search for free the WW1 database there.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/search-recherche/anc.php?Language=eng
Karen
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No exact birth dates but if these attestation papers give his date of birth I can check it SP. Will keep the board posted,
Thanks again....
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Have I got the correct family in 1901 _
20 Bells Road, Stornoway. Malcolm is a butcher and Roderick down as Roderick J ?
JL
This looks like a good match for Roderick John's attestation papers in WW1. He lists Murdo McLeod, his brother as his next of kin. They are living in Vancouver, BC
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc012/537235a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc012/537235b.gif
Karen
There's only one Roderick John M*cLeod's birth reg in R & C 1887-1889:
30 Oct 1887 - 9 Keith Street, Stornoway
Parents - Malcolm McLeod, labourer and Margaret m.s. McKenzie (married Dec 19th 1867, Lochs)
:)
Well done, Karen
JL
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Karen, just downloaded his birth and it's him........Fab......I can't thank you enough, this is great.....
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Excellent!
You can order his full military file from LAC. It could have some useful information in it.
As for Murdo, he is living in Vancouver in 1915. Assuming he stayed in BC his whole life, there is a Murdo McLeod who died in 1971 age 94 years which would put his birth year 1877.
I'll direct one of our BC researches to this thread as she may be able to get more information.
Karen
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I'll direct one of our BC researches to this thread as she may be able to get more information.
Karen
I've just told Annie that that's what you'd do and how good she is ;D
JL
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Marriage May 26 1913 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Murdoch Mcleod Age: 36 1877 Scotland Bachelor
Father Malcolm Mcleod Mother Margaret Mckenzie
Euphemia Mcdonald Age: 29 1884 Scotland Widowed
Father John Mcleod mother Mary Mccormack
Film 1983705 Digital Folder Number: 4400860
Image Number: 1567
BC Archives Film Number: B11377
Registration Number: 1567
I'll check some directories...
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Karen, I hope you do this for a living!!! Thanks so much, I've got some leads so I'll keep the boards posted....
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JJ, This is great, thanks so much, where did you find this? Is it on Ancestry?
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On the pilot family search site, I can see the following death registration that may relate to this family:
Murdoch Mcleod, b. Dec 13, 1887 Stornaway, Scotland, d. February 12, 1942 Prince Rupert, BC; s/o Malcolm Mcleod and Peggy Mckenzie; widow with no spouse's name listed so suspect that the informant was not a family member.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0be3/
I'll keep looking. I'm trying to get my head around all the mcleods, mckenzies, mcdonalds and variations thereof!!
I can look up any BC marriage or death registrations and provide a transcription of any documents that are uncovered but it will be next week at the earliest. I have "grandma duty" for a few days so will be busy entertaining a 2-year-old!!
Susan
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There's a passenger list for Euphemia MacDonald, age 29, with her son Samuel, age 7 heading to Vancouver, BC. She is listed as a housewife and purpose of trip is marriage.
They arrived May 18, 1913 (one week before marrying Murdo) aboard the Letita arriving in Quebec from Glasgow, Scotland.
Karen
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Well that explains why she isn't on the 1911, but can't see the fellows... Did find a Roderick & Murdo in van who were brothers but to an Angus...phooey...
So is this how he gets about? Murdoch is a Mariner! living James Street 1915, 4521 James
( Macleods start at 809) a couple of Georges and three Rodericks, but nothing jumps out to say he'll build bridges?
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/browse/title/1915/Henderson%27s_Greater_Vancouver_City_Directory
( noted that there are"bridge carpenters" for the CPR so can look at railway workers as well)
Might be this "watchman" on the S.S. Prince Rupert in 1914, ( I used a different directory search before that only went to 1914, so now am going backwards....so much easier ...) page 1036 living 4546 James
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/browse/title/1914/Henderson%27s_Greater_Vancouver_City_Directory_Part_2
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I found a BC death registration for Roderick John Macleod, b. October 30, 1887 Scotland, d. March 19, 1947, Vancouver, BC; spouse Effie Graham; parents are Malcolm Macleod and Margaret Mackenzie.
I don't see a marriage in BC for this couple.
The link to pilotfamilysearch site where you can search the BC death registrations.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0be4/
Susan
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this is great, I'm adding all of this to my tree and found another few links along the way......
These are great resources for future use....
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There is a Form 30A (Ocean Arrivals) document for Roderick John Macleod arriving Quebec, May 27, 1922 on the Metagama. There are lots of good clues on this document.
Some highlights of the doc:
he's married
current occupation is farming; intended occupation in Canada is farming and bridge building
was previously in Canada and previous occupation was with Hudson Bay Construction Co., Manitoba
port of previous entry was Montreal, 1909
port of departure was Montreal, 1915; reason for leaving was overseas service with 5th Can. Inf. Bat.
destined to his brother, Murdo Macleod, 4721 Avenue West, South Vancouver, BC
nearest relative in UK was his mother-in-law, Widow Mary Graham, 6 New Garrabost(?)
Here's a link to the document on LAC if you don't have access to Ancestry.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0be5/
I don't think this info has been mentioned but my apologies if it has already been found.
Susan
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Susan, I'm almost jumping for joy.....I've been trying to link them to the HBC and here's the proof and with his brother....
Thanks so much
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If he was in active service, to the end of the war, where would he have been from 1919 to 1922 and where's his wife? So many questions!!!!
Thanks again
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Hi,
Here's a link to the Hudson's Bay Company archives:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/
Susan
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Maybe he stayed in U.K. and married there?
Death June 9 1985 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Henrietta Mary Mcleod Age 58y / birth 20 Apr 1927 Vancouver, BC Single
parents Roderick John Mcleod & Effie Graham
Film Number: 1358013 Folder4437633 Image 2971
BCAFilm B16573 Registration 85 09 010452
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Hi susan we posted together...The archives will have fur trade employees for the most part... However I will look to see if I can find him in the directories online, and if nothing can look at the actual library film next visit...not for some time as it is cold and I take the BUS ( ick)
Nope nothing online...so will go if requested... sometime in future
annypanny forgot to answer that found the marriage on FHS site as well, but was hard pressed to find the other information found by others...although same parents were specified... ( using general search)
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Well done Ladies, as usual :)
George is still unaccounted for though right?
Karen
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Hi JJ
I was hoping you were still watching this as i know you have the expertise in Manitoba.
When I google Hudson Bay Construction Co. in Manitoba, I get articles about the construction of the Hudson Bay Railroad and, although I can't find the construction company named specifically, it did get me wondering if he was perhaps working on this project.
Winnipeg can feel like the coldest place on earth in the winter...brrr!!
I've been trying to search for a possible marriage in Manitoba but the vital stats website is not behaving for me right now.
Susan
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Death reg. for George Mcleod, b. January 9, 1881, Scotland, d. June 3, 1944, Vancouver, BC; spouse is Christina Mckenzie; parents Malcolm Mcleod and Margaret Mckenzie.
JJ - Good find of death reg of Henrietta Mary Mcleod. I totally missed that one.
Will add both of these to my list of look ups.
Susan
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I'm not sure, but this could be Murdo and George in the 1911 census. The birthdates are wrong, but they are working on railroad.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=17287
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Yeah... I found a Roderick & a Murdock together as well...hmmm did I check occupations? but then Roderick was to have been in Manitoba...I never found him 1911...May have been working up North and not been recorded...
We may not find him on any records if he was working on The Pas location.
I passed this one by but now that we found a daughter by this name?
Death Aug 23 1963 Vancouver, BC
Henrietta Mcleod Age 72y Birth May 12 1891 Scotland Widowed
Spouse Roderick Mcleod / parents Allan Graham Mary Mckay
Film 2033587 Folder 4479254 Image 310
B C A Film B13263 Registration 63 09 010297
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:P :( stupid site!! We could have saved JL credits on SP! No wait the other birth dates for the boys were from the deaths...amazing they had complete birth dates
Finally got the newer FHS betasearch to work ( 1st time today) and it has all we found so far plus dates of birth for
Annabella Mcleod b.Oct 1 1869 — LOCHS, R & C
Ann Mcleod b.Dec 5 1871 — LOCHS, R & C
Mary Mcleod b. Aug 14 1874 — LOCHS, R & C
George Mcleod b. Jan 9 1881 — Lochs, Ross & Cromarty
(Isabella Maggie Macleod b. Nov 9 1891 — Stornoway, R & C ) :-X MMMph a little late to be yours...
( mother as Peggy, Margaret, Marg't) https://www.familysearch.org/
Sheesh susano! odd that the 2nd version wouldn't find those under general search...also too bad as I like that format so much better... easier to navigate...actually I like the first version the very best, but they aren't going to add to that one anymore... The newer beta, soon to replace all version is so in your face I find... and scrolling about until the cows come home...
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I see you had those births but I thought your list said said "about" for births for some reason
The SS Prince Rupert Steamship...Not sure if it was for domestic service...was owned by Grand Trunk ( The owners of the Rail Road by same name?)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/SS_Prince_Rupert.jpg
yeah it was coastal waters
"served regular runs from Seattle to Victoria, Vancouver, Prince Rupert and Stewart Alaska. Seattle and Victoria were dropped from the route after a few years and Skagway, Alaska was added.
Yeah here it is called a ferry http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/marine/index_view.cfm?photoid=80807180&id=114
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The only family search website I've ever had any degree of success navigating is the pilot one....but it is finnicky and things get missed!! I am hopeless with the beta (new one) but I do try to force myself to use it!! I guess when they phase out the pilot I will have no option!!
Susan
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Sorry to say, J.J. that it didn't have Roderick John's birth and all the details on which is why I went elsewhere. That's why SP is still the best 8)
Anyway, I'm glad you've all found so much for Annie- I knew you would all pull out the stops :D
JL
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Found so much....An understatement.....I'm overwhelmed by the response, thanks again to all who helped in my search, I'm going to document everything I've found and try to put it into a report. I would like to find out why they emigrated, I'll get a few books from the library on Lewis and Stornoway and I'll check out a few local newspapers to see if they've anything on emigration.
Many thanks again......
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Isabella Maggie MacLeod........
looks as though she was a sister of the boys, born after the census (Nov 1891) was taken and died before the next on in 1901....(1892) Well spotted
Thanks
:P :( stupid site!! We could have saved JL credits on SP! No wait the other birth dates for the boys were from the deaths...amazing they had complete birth dates
Finally got the newer FHS betasearch to work ( 1st time today) and it has all we found so far plus dates of birth for
Annabella Mcleod b.Oct 1 1869 — LOCHS, R & C
Ann Mcleod b.Dec 5 1871 — LOCHS, R & C
Mary Mcleod b. Aug 14 1874 — LOCHS, R & C
George Mcleod b. Jan 9 1881 — Lochs, Ross & Cromarty
(Isabella Maggie Macleod b. Nov 9 1891 — Stornoway, R & C ) :-X MMMph a little late to be yours...
( mother as Peggy, Margaret, Marg't) https://www.familysearch.org/
Sheesh susano! odd that the 2nd version wouldn't find those under general search...also too bad as I like that format so much better... easier to navigate...actually I like the first version the very best, but they aren't going to add to that one anymore... The newer beta, soon to replace all version is so in your face I find... and scrolling about until the cows come home...
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He must have been in Scotland as Garrabost is on the Isle of Lewis....Perhaps his wife was still there, will look for a marriage on SP....When I googled Garrabost up came an address of Graham Ave. the same name as his wife's family...!!!
There is a Form 30A (Ocean Arrivals) document for Roderick John Macleod arriving Quebec, May 27, 1922 on the Metagama. There are lots of good clues on this document.
Some highlights of the doc:
he's married
current occupation is farming; intended occupation in Canada is farming and bridge building
was previously in Canada and previous occupation was with Hudson Bay Construction Co., Manitoba
port of previous entry was Montreal, 1909
port of departure was Montreal, 1915; reason for leaving was overseas service with 5th Can. Inf. Bat.
destined to his brother, Murdo Macleod, 4721 Avenue West, South Vancouver, BC
nearest relative in UK was his mother-in-law, Widow Mary Graham, 6 New Garrabost(?)
Here's a link to the document on LAC if you don't have access to Ancestry.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0be5/
I don't think this info has been mentioned but my apologies if it has already been found.
Susan
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Roderick (RJ) and Effie married in 25 Jan at 6 Garrabost, 1918 in Lochs, Ross & Cromarty....SP
Roderick's occupation is Sergeant in the 5th Candian Battalion.
Parents of Roderick:
Malcolm MacLeod
Margaret McKenzie (both deceased)
Parents of Effie:
Allen Graham - Fisherman (deceased)
Mary McKay
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Good that saves more looking, I figured as much as he was headed back to his brother, not his wife, in B.C. where he ended up and hadn't seen anything on either of them in Manitoba vitals, but you never know. Could you post the parent's information as well for others searching...just add it to the existing post...use the modify button
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JJ,
I just fiddled about with SP and narrowed down the searches and guessed the place to find their date of marriage. They definately married in the parish of the Lochs in R & C. But from previous records I think her parents were Allan Graham and Mary McKay, got this info from her death I think on the IGI!!! :P.
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I wasn't positive that was Effie's death, need proof before claiming her....as ettie/Netty is more the short form of Henrietta, not Effy but she may have used the short form of a middle or first name ... :D Guess we might get some confirmation that those were the right parents, if there is a name we recognize on the death cert when susan gets to the archives...
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Mmmm yes you're right......She is recorded as Effie on her marriage details, not sure why the daughter's called Henrietta......Perhaps she was christed Henrietta!!!
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I have found Effie travelling back from Scotland with her husband Roderick MacLeod en route to Murdo MacLeod in Vancouver. There contact from there departure is recorded as Mary Graham in Garrabost, Lewis and I've tracked her down on the 1901 census with her mother Mary Graham and in 1881 Allan and Mary are living with Mary's parents the McKays.
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Hi all :)
Just come back from some meetings.
I would have thought that Effie might have been short for Euphemia but it's just what occurred in my Scottish families.
Garrabost is on the promontory that projects into the Minch to the east of Stornoway. I recall a very rough journey a few years ago from Ullapool to Stornoway in February. The ferry was postpsned for 2 hours because of the gales and then set out - oh dear, I'm a good sailor but my two companions looked very pale until we arrived.
JL
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Good story! I'm a good say-lore, does that count...? (baaaad)
Yes, I was thinking perhaps because Murdoch had already married a Euphemia that she might have gone by Effy to lessen the confusion...altho there are some Effy/Effie births... ( Also some call Elizabeths Effy as though there aren't enough goofy variations on that forename already) It certainly seems odd that she'd always go by Effie but be called Harriet on her death cert. Interesting to see what comes to light...Perhaps a descendant will tell us what they have found sometime down the road.
Forgot to mention that there was an effort to populate the western regions of Canada... posters & propaganda were sent overseas with prompts to emigrate to Canada and to become a farmer which would attract farm lads.... or to build a railway if you were a labourer. There was a promise of land for those willing to work it.... and I am sure lots of great images with no mention of winter in the prairie farmslands! This, I am guessing would have been the prompt to go back to the far west where he saw a lot greener winters.
;D This from a Prairie gal, I write this in the middle of a cold spell, and looking out at banks of snow...but I can see the appeal to go to B.C. and never return, as many have! It certainly attracted many from Scotland.
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1919 There's a murdoch mate coast S.S. Co? Hard to read
http://www.archive.org/stream/hendersonsgreate1919henduoft#page/692/mode/2up
Found more directories I never knew were there...so much more online
http://www.archive.org/stream/1922hendersonsgr00henduoft#page/898/mode/2up
1922 Maybe Murdoch a seaman? did we get any addresses on the ship's entries?
Couldn't Roderick have used initial J.? :P Look for the ladies as well as if they were working they may be listed
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I think Murdo is listed as a mariner in a previous listing!!! On Roderick's attestation papers Murdo is listed as 2530 James St E. Vancouver. Haven't pinned an occupation for him though....
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Murdoch was a Mariner in 1915 and was living at 4521 James Street....seems today James street only has a few numbers in the 4000s and none in the 2000s ( Near Queen Eliz. Parl) ...and if you go through the directory pages to which I gave a url, it was the same back then....so Roderick may just have made up a number on James street. There is no 2530.
At least that's how I saw it...Go ahead and look for more "J" street listings, I could be wrong. There is a street as well as a surname index. He is listed in both in the greater Vancouver alphabetical index
1238 E Pender Street is just a few blocks up main street and over a few... nearer the harbour
In 1919 I assumed he was the mate listed as he worked on a Steamship....Coast S.S. Co. is likely a shortening for the "Grand Trunk Pacific Coast Steamship Company". There are other Murdochs and Rodericks and Georges in those listings, so you may want to look at them to see if anything clicks.
Oh, I didn't see that there are 2 Murdoch Mcleod occupation seaman in 1922...not that it matters much as all are close to the harbour...
47 21 Ave W is nearer the Queen Eliz Park address...1149 Keefer St is nearer the Pender address
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Murdock being a mariner, I suspect he may have entered from that coast. Roderick says he came through from the East. I looked at the Quebec 1905 lists to 1910 that are transcribed and took a copy of all the Georges, Murdocks and Rodericks...I have them in an image file and just remembered them & went back to them now...
Here's one in 1909 I'll look for more details to see if it might sound like your man...
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This one says farm labourer going to Moose Jaw Sask to be a farm lab. Still I suppose any we find may have left the train in Winnipeg and ventured elsewhere...but it would be a nice package to find one going to work for the HBC co.
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e143/e003558052.jpg
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-119.02-e.php?sisn_id_nbr=5149&page_sequence_nbr=1
That was my only Roderick of right age and right date....I do have lots of George's near correct birth dates if more information comes to light...( reminder: my rootschat folder Mcleods 2011) Lots of Murdochs as well, but as I said we may have him entering the west coast.
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Ahhh a connection? A Roderick is a labourer living at 47 west 21 Ave ...where one of the Murdock Mcleod, occ. seaman is living! There is a George 1157 E. Pender...and not that it is he, but just up by the harbour, a G, McLeodworks as a carpenter for B.C. Electric Railway
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This is great.......If we could find out a wee bit more about George......Maybe Roderick followed his older brother into the trade....I checked out the boys occupations in the 1901 census but again nothing....Murdo and George were general labourers and Roddy (I feel I know him well enough to call hime Roddy now) was a scholar. I checked out SP to see if Roddy and his new wife had any kids after their marriage in 1918-22 but it's impossible to see due to the amount of M*cLeod births in their area during this time.....I will hopefully get to go through to Edinburgh in the near future and find out.....
Thanks
Annie
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I had a look on google street map at 47 west 21 ave, it had a number 9 then up 204. Has the numbering system changed.....I'm not famiar with the grid system with numbers.....was obviously looking for a number 47....It looks like a nice neighbourhood.......but the houses look fairly new so I assume Murdo and Roddy were living in a tenament style flat....
Ahhh a connection? A Roderick is a labourer living at 47 west 21 Ave ...where one of the Murdock Mcleod, occ. seaman is living! There is a George 1157 E. Pender...and not that it is he, but just up by the harbour, a G, McLeodworks as a carpenter for B.C. Electric Railway
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From the Hebridean Connections website (great website)
In relation to the name Effie, it's a short from of Henrietta!!!
http://www.hebrideanconnections.com/Support.aspx
I wasn't positive that was Effie's death, need proof before claiming her....as ettie/Netty is more the short form of Henrietta, not Effy but she may have used the short form of a middle or first name ... :D Guess we might get some confirmation that those were the right parents, if there is a name we recognize on the death cert when susan gets to the archives...
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Hi Annie
I'm not sure about that as the (Scottish) whatsinaname site that many of us swear by for Scottish names has it short for Euphemia:
Effie (female)
Variants: Oighrig (F) Phemie (F)
Pet Name for: Euphemia (F)
Source(s): The Oxford Names Companion, OUP
"Scottish Forenames" - Donald Whyte, FGH, FSG
Clan MacLean Website
Notes:
1. English pet name for Euphemia, from a Late Greek name representing "fair speech".
2. The Scottish Gaelic forename Oighrig has been variously Anglicized as Africa, Erica, Efric, Effie, Euphemia and a large number of variants [see the Clan Maclean website].
Also, Henrietta ~
English feminine form of Henry [q.v.], from Old German "head of household", a parallel derivation to that of the French name Henriette.
Henrietta has been used as an Anglicized form of the Gaelic Oighrig.
http://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Effie.html
JL
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HI,
Oighrig is gaelic for Henrietta. I think Henrietta is form of Euphemia too judging from the website, pretty confusing eh?
http://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Oighrig.html
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Hi Annie
I can't work out whether you found a birth registration for her - did you?
If so, what was she recorded as?
JL
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Mmmmm, I searched for her under "Effie" and Henrietta and Euphemia, but nothing......I'll have another go. I found the marriage and she is recorded as Effie, I'll do another search and see what it brings up, be in touch in a moment....
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Here she is on familysearch!
It's Henrietta but the Graham has an E at the end, just to keep us on our toes....That's why I couldn't find it first time round.
Birth Date: 15 Jun 1891
Birthplace: Stornoway, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Parents Allan and Mary MacKay
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The birth of Henrietta is different......from what is says on her death cert and her birth. The birth from FamilySearch may be her Baptism date the her true birth date may be recorded on her death. Only a guess....
Yeah... I found a Roderick & a Murdock together as well...hmmm did I check occupations? but then Roderick was to have been in Manitoba...I never found him 1911...May have been working up North and not been recorded...
We may not find him on any records if he was working on The Pas location.
I passed this one by but now that we found a daughter by this name?
Death Aug 23 1963 Vancouver, BC
Henrietta Mcleod Age 72y Birth May 12 1891 Scotland Widowed
Spouse Roderick Mcleod / parents Allan Graham Mary Mckay
Film 2033587 Folder 4479254 Image 310
B C A Film B13263 Registration 63 09 010297
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SP has the birth of Henrietta Grahame at 3 am on 15 June 1891, Garrabost. Parents were Allan Grahame and Mary McKay. They married Oct 2 1880, Stornoway.
I think the death entry birth date is wrong unless Allan was telling porkies.
JL
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I wonder who registered her death, a child or it must have been a family friend who just guessed......
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Duplicate, apologies...
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JJ,
What's the PAS location?
Yeah... I found a Roderick & a Murdock together as well...hmmm did I check occupations? but then Roderick was to have been in Manitoba...I never found him 1911...May have been working up North and not been recorded...
We may not find him on any records if he was working on The Pas location.
I passed this one by but now that we found a daughter by this name?
Death Aug 23 1963 Vancouver, BC
Henrietta Mcleod Age 72y Birth May 12 1891 Scotland Widowed
Spouse Roderick Mcleod / parents Allan Graham Mary Mckay
Film 2033587 Folder 4479254 Image 310
B C A Film B13263 Registration 63 09 010297
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Pas is Manitoba...MooseJaw is a Province away...Please modify to remove the image from collections Canada, I gave a link to that passenger list previosly...
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Can anyone figure out what it says in column 11 and 12? May be a clue!!!
This one says farm labourer going to Moose Jaw Sask to be a farm lab. Still I suppose any we find may have left the train in Winnipeg and ventured elsewhere...but it would be a nice package to find one going to work for the HBC co.
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e143/e003558052.jpg
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-119.02-e.php?sisn_id_nbr=5149&page_sequence_nbr=1
That was my only Roderick of right age and right date....I do have lots of George's near correct birth dates if more information comes to light...( reminder: my rootschat folder Mcleods 2011) Lots of Murdochs as well, but as I said we may have him entering the west coast.
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Hi,
Death info for Murdo MacLeod from Susano (thanks) on other link on Canada board here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=511220.new;topicseen#new
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Do a search on the Western Isles Council web site (Comhairle nan Eilean Siar) and you should be able to find out a bit about Graham Avenue and why its called that. Hebridean Connections web site is pretty accurate for names. Alos have you tried the Scottish Emmigration database for passeneger lists. I think you'll find plenty Mackays and Grahams from Garrabost on it. They are mostly related. I have both these names in my tree as Im from that village. Unfortunately I cant access the information for a week or two but if you post what you have I can try and check it out when I get my files.
Rudhach
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Rudhach,
Many thanks and look forward to hearing from you...
Annie
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Hi I am also trying to trace Mcleods of Sornoway - Allen and Johanna who moved to Canada and can be traced on the Manitoba... census in 1916 - with sons John, George Donald and Angus - was any of this highlighted in your research - just a long shot in case there is a connection
Thanks
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Sorry, but no.....None of these names came up in my family. It's worth checking out the hebrean websites mentioned on this link, they may lead to find something, also the Scottish census records too. Good luck.....
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annypanny,
Graham Avenue in Garrabost is so named as almost all houses on the road were occupied by members of the Graham family at one time.
These Graham's are relatives of mine so happy to help if I can.
He must have been in Scotland as Garrabost is on the Isle of Lewis....Perhaps his wife was still there, will look for a marriage on SP....When I googled Garrabost up came an address of Graham Ave. the same name as his wife's family...!!!
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Herodotus,
I will dig out all of my MacLeod documents and get back to you in the next few days.....Did any of the names ring any bells with you?
Annie
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Hi annypanny,
I'm responding to your first post below. My great grandpa is George McLeod. He was born in 1881 in Keose and came to Canada. This is incredible to find. I did ancestryDNA and a DNA fourth cousin led me to this post after I told her the names in our McLeod family and some birth / death dates.
If your grandma's uncles came to Canada and you're referring to George McLeod (my grandpa's dad), you and I are then of the same generation and our great grandparents were siblings. My grandpa's dad is George McLeod so my grandpa would be the first cousin of your grandma.
I'm happy to connect. I was surprised to come across all this information. A descendant of a brother of the family that came to Canada in the early 1900's is happy to report back to Scotland over 100+ years later we're alive and still here!
Hi All,
If there's someone who specialises in the Hebrides especially Stornoway does anyone have any information on emmigration on the MacLeod family who lived in Keose, on the island of Lewis.
My Grandmother's Uncles supposedly emmigrated to Canada just after the turn of the century but I'm having a nightmare trying to trace them on passenger lists due to the frequency of the name (and christian names). Is there a list of people who had assisted passage, I think he may have had something to do with the Hudson Bay Co.
I went onto the Hebridean Connections website which states that George MacLeod emmigrated to vancouver but no source as to where the original info came from except from Gleanings: The Genealogy of Kinloch, Isle of Lewis and History of the Area. I've uncovered as much as I can from the IGI which gave some information but SP is impossible without spending a fortune.....as you've no clue as to who the mother is...
Here's the vital details of the family and if anyone has any connections would be glad to here from you.....
Thanks in advance......
Family Group Sheet for Malcolm Macleod
Husband: Malcolm Macleod
Birth: Abt. 1837 in Keose, The Lochs, Stornoway
Marriage: 19 Dec 1867 in Lochs, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Father: Roderick Macleod
Mother: Mary Macleod
Wife: Margaret Mckenzie
Birth: Abt. 1845 in Stornoway
Death: 26 Feb 1911 in 8 Hancock Court, Francis Street Stornoway
Father:
Mother:
Children:
1 Name: Annabella Macleod
F
Birth: 01 Oct 1869 in Lochs Ross and Cromarty
2 Name: Annie Macleod
F
Birth: 05 Dec 1871 in Keose, Hebrides, Scotland,
Death: 27 Jan 1921 in Royal infirmary, Glasgow
Marriage: 06 Jul 1898 in 35 Hutcheson Street
Spouse: Robert Finlay
3 Name: Mary Macleod
F
Birth: 14 Aug 1874 in Lochs, Ross and Cromarty
4 Name: Murdo Macleod
M
Birth: Abt. 1877 in Keose, Lochs Ross and cromarty
5 Name: George Macleod
M
Birth: 1881 in Keose, Lochs, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
6 Name: Roderick Macleod
M
Birth: Abt. 1888 in Lochs Ross and Cromarty
7 Name: John Macleod
M
Birth: 24 Jul 1883
Death: 16 Sep 1884
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The marriage at 35 Hutcheson Street, Glasgow, I think is the old Sheriff Court/Town House building. Possibly by a Sheriff's warrant?
Skoosh.
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Thanks skoosh
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Hi,
Time has passed and you may very well have acquired this information, in which case it is redundant. Sorry to bother you!
The book,"A Hebridean Heritage" by Myra M Hoar, Tangled Roots Press, Vancouver, 1991, describes the author's life in Stornoway at the beginning of the last century. She refers, on a couple of occasions, to her Macleod grandmother in Stornoway having a cousin, Roderick Ross, a chemist in Durban. At one point she mentions a 1923 letter from Roddie to her grandmother, which refers to his daughter, Mya, who was 12 at the time.
Myra's mother was Isabella Macleod, (16/10/1882 - 28/4/43), who married Angus Mackenzie, (3/3/1880 - 18/10/1955), both of Stornoway, Isle of Lewis.
Isabella's mother was Catherine Mackenzie (1846-99) who married Angus Mackenzie (1846-1939)
Catherine Mackenzie's father, Alexander, (1823 -1899),was born in Assynt, Sutherland. He married Margaret Beaton, (1836-1886), in Stornoway. The whole family, apart from Catherine, emigrated to Portland, Oregon. There is no information on any siblings for Alexander Mackenzie and mention of just one uncle to Catherine, James Beaton, (1826-1874), on her mother's side, - but no cousins.
Catherine Mackenzie's husband, Donald Macleod's father was Malcolm Macleod, (1820-1897), a tailor, who married Mary Maclean (1821-1859), they only had one child, Donald. Malcolm married again to Jessie Steele, and had a further child, Jessie.
Malcolm Macleod's parents were Donald Macleod and Margaret Morrison and Mary Maclean's parents:- Donald Maclean (1781-c1865) and Catherine Mackenzie (1788-c1865). Myra doesn't show any siblings for either set of parents.
Going back to Myra's husband, his Mackenzie family was from the Lochs area of Lewis where they had strong connections with Rosses there who were descended from a Roderick Ross who died in 1808. (My family). In his time Roderick Ross had gained some respect and his name apart from being regularly given to his own descendants was also incorporated into the names of other Lochs families. One of Myra's husband's brothers, for example, was named Roderick Ross Mackenzie. He was born, coincidently in 1877, but died in 1913. The Rosses were very strict church people and breaches of faith would have been dealt with severely but my guess is that your Roderick Ross was connected in some way to those Lochs people.
Well, that was complicated to get down and you probably know it already but if it helps, good luck.
Regards
yetanother
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Have similar headache trying to track Grandparents of Alexandrina McLeod (Birth abt 1895) father was George, believed to be a Baker, mother Margt, North Beach Street, Stornoway. If anyone has tripped over them be delighted to hear.