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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Fransmoi on Thursday 20 January 11 09:00 GMT (UK)
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My father Errington Ross,Castle Heather,Inverness was involved with 602 City of Glasgow Auxilliary Air Force before the war.
Their padre Rev. Lewis Sutherland officiated at his marriage in St Giles, Edinburgh in 1934.
Alas I do not have any BMD dates for him.
I was born in 1942 and sometime thereafter was baptised by the same minister at Redcastle on the Black Isle ,possibly at Killearnan Church. Was he locum there ?
How can I find out more about this gentleman? I seem to remember he had been padre to the royal family in Scotland but my memory is much faded from overuse !
Frances In Inverness
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Hi Frances
A bit of guesswork here from me ;) One possibility for Rev. Lewis Sutherland that comes up from general searches:
See here www.rootschat.com/links/0beh/ (I've shrunk the link). This is to do with visiting Scottish ministers who visited the Scots Presbyterian Church in Sydney. Mention there to the Rev. Lewis A Sutherland, piper and singer.... See 'The New Church : 1930 - 1998'.
There are also a couple of incoming UK passenger references to a Lewis A Sutherland. Contact address in the St James Manse in Paisley. He shows as aged 42 and a Minister of Religion and departed from Botwood, Newfoundland, Canada. This entry shows in 1932, so possible birth year of 1890.
A further passenger manifest from 1935 shows a Lewis Albert Sutherland (same details as above), aged 45, departing from Brisbane, Australia. I thought this might connect with the above link in Australia and his return back to the UK - dates would fit well. Additonal passenger with him (same UK address given) is a Jean Hutchison Sutherland, aged 43 - possible wife?
A check of marriages on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk could let you confirm further his details hopefully :)
Monica
Added: From another link, the reference to 'piper and singer' seems to be:
Lewis A. Sutherland, of St. J'ames;,. Paisley, who has adopted the novel plan of wearing Highland costume and playing the bagpipes to attract worshippers to....www.fpchurch.org.uk/Magazines/fpm/.../FPM%20-%20May%201935.pdf (I can't get the pdf to open for some reason, but enough on the intro to connect to the other references we have so far)
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One glitch potentially here...
Their padre Rev. Lewis Sutherland officiated at his marriage in St Giles, Edinburgh in 1934.
From the Australian link, Rev Lewis Sutherland was visiting there between Oct. 1934 - April 1935. What was the date of your parents' marriage in 1934?
Monica
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Yes ,I did see this list of Sydney ministers but discounted it since the marriage was on 7 April 1934. Who knows perhaps there was an eror on the date in Sydney so will follow the other leads and let you know.
This is just the best site going.
Cheers,
Fransmoi.
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Hi Frances
Rev. Lewis Sutherland did not start his six months stay in Australia until October 1934. So, if your parents married some months earlier, in April 1934, this could be him. He sounds an interesting character :) Lots of google hits from the Australian newspaper site during his stay there.
I can see references to Padre Lewis Sutherland and the AAF 602 bomber squadron, but would be good to find a possible middle name/initial for him to be more certain.
Monica
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Found a Scotsman newspaper reference from 7 September 1936 for a marriage in Strathblane of an RAF man, Flight-Lieutenant Anthony D Selway and attended by certain notables. The wedding was officiated by a number of Revs. including Squadron Leader Rev. Lewis A Sutherland..... ::)
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A better reference, again from the Scotsman 'Holyrood House Levee' from May 25, 1938:
....and the following officers from the Auxiliary Air Force.....Rev Lewis A Sutherland.....
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This all sounds absolutely positive,Monica. Dad himself was larger than life so they could well have been pals. I had misread your last Sidney dates - sorry!
I have found Lewis Albert Sutherland b.5 Sep 1889 at the Free Church Manse,Rothesay on the Isle of Bute. His dad was Andrew Neil Sutherland - Free Church minister who married a Christina Purves on 27 March 1883 at Maxweltown and that is as far as I can go without Free Church records .Fasti perhaps.
Thanks again,
Fransmoi.
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I wonder if this relates to Lewis' father www.universitystory.gla.ac.uk/biography/?id=WH16889&type=P - particularly with the reference to Rothesay.
Added: Potentially, one generation back www.universitystory.gla.ac.uk/biography/?id=WH16888&type=P
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This is from the Bute County Directory 1901:
United Free Parish, Castle street (hours of worship, 11 am and 2 p m)— Rev Andrew N Sutherland, M A. Missionary
www.archive.org/stream/butecountydirec190102roth/butecountydirec190102roth_djvu.txt
This looks to be the family in 1901:
Rer A N Sutherland 45, Minister Of United xxxxx? Church, b. Dunfermline, Fifeshire
Christina Sutherland 42 b. Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Charlotte Hen Sutherland 17
Amelia Sutherland 14
John Pearson Sutherland 14
David S Sutherland 13
Lewis Albert Sutherland 11 b. Rothesay, Buteshire
George Ruth Sutherland 10
Noie Sutherland 7
Robert C Sutherland 8
Mary Eadie 56, servant
Address: The Manse, Rothesay
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There are some details on IGI for this Sutherland family, both actual extract and submitted. In respect of the direct line up, this looks to be Lewis' father birth details:
ANDREW NEIL SUTHERLAND Born on 09 MAY 1855 in Dunfermline, Fife
Parents: ANDREW SUTHERLAND and AMELIA MC DIARMID (mother's name fits with a Will & Testament entry showing on Scotlands People for Andrew Snr, husband of Amelia).
Submitted details confirming Andrew Neil Sutherland's marriage to Christina PURVES on 22 MAR 1883 at the Free Church Manse Troqueer, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright.
Have a look also at this link http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-post-40157.html - I wondered whether it could be Lewis' father who shows on the Roll of Honour for WW1.
Frances, I'll leave you with all of this - looks a really interesting family to research :)
Monica
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Thank you Monica for all your help with this one. I spent a very happy afternoon in the big suitcase of photographs and found Mrs Sutherland first of all then the man himself resplendant in his black coat which makes it difficult to reproduce.It was taken in Inverness.
I had a day with my late mum identifying all these otherwise I would never have guessed the other one is of his wife Jean.
Frances in Inverness
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You must have had such a fun afternoon going through that 'big suitcase' - what fun! Thank you for adding the photos of him and his wife. It always makes the stories so much more real when you can put a face to the histories.
Monica :)
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Hello there my name is Marie and I stay at Blairshinnoch Banff can you help me research the history of the house? your name came up when I searched Blairshinnoch perhaps you have some ancestors who stayed there? Also trying to contact a Monica?? who definitely had relations who stayed here as she posted some photographs. Thank you so much.
Kindest regards
Marie
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Hi Marie,
It may be an idea to start a new thread with your interest as it may be lost on this thread as researchers tend to follow 'Subject' heading names/areas & info.
Annie
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His dad was Andrew Neil Sutherland - Free Church minister who married a Christina Purves on 27 March 1883 at Maxweltown and that is as far as I can go without Free Church records.
You could get the marriage certificate from Scotland's People - that would take you back another generation. You don't need church records until you get back past 1855.
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Hello there my name is Marie and I stay at Blairshinnoch Banff can you help me research the history of the house? your name came up when I searched Blairshinnoch perhaps you have some ancestors who stayed there? Also trying to contact a Monica?? who definitely had relations who stayed here as she posted some photographs. Thank you so much.
Welcome to RootsChat Marie :) I think this is the post and photo links you mean www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=611048.msg4604971#msg4604971. I am not connected to this line or area but just trying to help with further info.
Good luck with your searches!
Monica
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His dad was Andrew Neil Sutherland - Free Church minister who married a Christina Purves on 27 March 1883 at Maxweltown and that is as far as I can go without Free Church records.
If you are interested in going back from Andrew Neil Sutherland, there is a web-site which specialises in Free Church ministers and although it doesn't have much in this case, you might be interested in looking at it: http://ecclegen.com/ministers-s/#SUTHERLAND%20ANDREW%20NEIL
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Thank you for that ! Frances