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Title: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 22 January 11 16:34 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Completly new to rootschat, hoping users can help with a particular family line........

I'm trying to source information on a Rhoda Hibbett dob 09/07/1878, death 26/03/1954. Rhoda married a William Daisley 06/10/1898. As far as I can work out they had the following children:

Percy c1899, Lilian c1904, Florence c1910, Olive c1912 & Harry c1917

I also think William Daisley may have been Frederick William Daisley dob = 04/06/1870 Gamlingay/Caxton. I am descendant from Olive Daisley.

Any help in confirming my research so far would be greatly appreciated. I seem to hit a brick wall in that from Olive down I can't confirm any details with tree's or with other users.

Robin Irvine
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: lizdb on Saturday 22 January 11 16:42 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome.

I see you have exact dates - does that mean you have the certificates for these events? If so, you have confirmed the detials!
Have you found the family on 1901 or 1911 census?

Remember that if something is on someone elses tree, that is not confirmation - unless they have a certificate to confirm it. It is not unknown for people to publish trees with nothing more than "assumptions" on them.
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 22 January 11 17:06 GMT (UK)
Hi & thanks for your quick post

Your right, I've got the certs for Rhoda's birth, marriage and death. So am happy with that part.

I'm a little worried about William and his real name....... but it seems common that people, back in the day, used there middle names.

I've found people (living) from other parts of my tree, but find it very strange that I can't trace any living under Rhoda, it's almost  like a black hole.......

I'm hoping that people on rootschat may know the above names or maybe able to give me clue on anything below Rhoda.

thanks again, Robin

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 22 January 11 18:06 GMT (UK)
Are you trying to find living descendants?

jim
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 22 January 11 18:12 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Thanks for your note, yea the ultimate goal would be to find someone who has more info or photos of Rhoda/William later in their life.

I have 2 photo's of Olive (Rhoda dau) but nothing prior to that.

The search continues.....

Thannks again
Robin irvine

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Saturday 22 January 11 20:28 GMT (UK)

Your right, I've got the certs for Rhoda's birth, marriage and death. So am happy with that part.

Who was named as William's father on his marriage certificate? Do you have Frederick William Daiseley's 1870 birth cert? Who were his parents?


I'm a little worried about William and his real name....... but it seems common that people, back in the day, used there middle names.
This is a bit of a sweeping statement! At that time many people didn't have a middle name, and those that did that I've come across only rarely used it as their first name.

Have you used www.freebmd.org.uk to firm up on your dates for the 5 children? After 1911 the mother's maiden name is also given. They also appear to have had Ronald in 1919.

What else do you know about Olive? Who did she marry and where? I can't see a marriage in Caxton registration district

Where have you looked for descendants of Rhoda? If you've only been looking for online trees the black hole probably merely signifies that no-one who's researched this name has put the tree online (or that you're the first to first to research it).

David
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 22 January 11 20:51 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Thank you for your post.

On William & Rhoda's marriage cert, his father is named as James Daisley. William is 27 years old on the cert.

Over time I've ordered all William Daisley birth certs from 1869 >> 1873 ( with mixed spellings of daisley) with no luck in finding one with a father of James. Until I came across the 1870 Frederick William Daisley, this one has the father as James Daisley and Mother Mary Daisley NEE Daisley. This seems to match the tentative tree I'd built up.

Olive Daisley married Francis Smith, Hitchin, 1933 Oct 7th. Olives father is not named. The father is also not named on Olives Birth cert, which I have, the connection to william daisley is purely the surname and the fact the Rhoda daisley NEE Hibbett only shows up once and married a William Daisley.

Thank you for your interest in my post. Hope the above answers your question.

Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Saturday 22 January 11 21:22 GMT (UK)
All very odd. In 1901 Rhoda, married, was living in Gamlingay with son Percy. No sign of a husband. In 1911 Rhoda was living in Gamlingay with children Percy 11, Lily 6, and Florence 11 months. No sign of a husband in the household. Olives birth certificate and her marriage certificate with the father left blank is usually an indication of illegitimacy.

In 1871 James and Mary Daisley had a son William aged 10 mths. In 1881 James and Mary Daisley had a son William 11 living with them in Gamlingay (you can find this yourself at www.familysearch.org). I can't find this William in 1891 or 1901, but I would agree that he looks like the William who married Rhoda in 1898.

The big question is: what happened to William? I have reservations as to whether he was Olive's father. It would be interesting, but expensive, to get the birth certs of her siblings (or half siblings)

David
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Saturday 22 January 11 21:28 GMT (UK)
If you're looking for living people you'd probably do better looking at Genes Reunited, where there are 3 people showing Rhoda Hibbitt and 3 with with Olive Daisley - one of which in each case might well be you.

Horses for courses!
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 22 January 11 21:40 GMT (UK)


Hi there

I use genes, I'm one of the three and the other two linked to me and have copied data from my tree.

I did go for Percy's dob cert

DOB 24th June 1899 Gamlingay. father William Daisley & mother Rhoda Daisley NEE Hibbett.

It all seems to tie in. There is a family story that Olive did not grow up with the family, lived with an "auntie", which I think why it's been hard to tie everything in properly.

Rhoda did not pass until the 1950's, but no one from the Olive line knew her.

Thanks again for coming back to me.

Best regards
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 22 January 11 23:57 GMT (UK)
Olive Daisley was baptised at Caxton 1 August 1912
daughter of (blank) and Rhoda (nee Hibbit) of Caxton Union.

Florence Daisley was baptised at Caxton 25 October 1911
daughter of (blank) and Rhoda married woman of Caxton Union

Lilian Daisley was batised at Caxton 6 February 1905
daughter of (blank) and Rhoda of the Union Caxton

Harry Thomas Daisley was baptised at Gamlingay 28 October 1917
of William and Rhoda otp lab

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Sunday 23 January 11 09:28 GMT (UK)
Good morning, thank you for your interest and info....

The above is brill and very interesting......

I did have the birth details of Percy Daisley

DOB 24th June 1899 Gamlingay. father William Daisley & mother Rhoda Daisley NEE Hibbett.

Using your info and the above it means that William daisley was around in 1899, missing around 17 years and then returned to father Harry !!!!!

It raises more questions about this part of my tree

- Where was William
- If the girls were illegitimate, why did William come back at all at the time of Harry
- Why is Rhoda always alone in the census records

Cant make sense of it.

Your info now means I can take people of my maybe list and add to my as firm, thank you for that.

Robin


added****
Bedfordshire boy, above talked of Ronald. Just found him on freebmd Ronald Daisley 1919 Caxton 3b 02, Mothers maiden name Hibbett.
Would be interesting to know if the father is named on the bap record.
thanks very much
Robin

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Sunday 23 January 11 11:49 GMT (UK)
Rhoda Daisley died in the March quarter 1954 in Cambridge registration district aged 75.
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Sunday 23 January 11 12:55 GMT (UK)
I can't see a baptism for either Percy or Ronald.

As William was of Tetworth, Hunts when he married Rhoda I assume he was working there.  Maybe had no suitable accommodation for a family.  However that does not explain why he is missing 1901 and 1911 - jail, military, abroad?

1901 she is 'Head' of household, sometimes indicates more permanent state that husband just away for the night, but not necessarily so.

1911 living with her father. in between (and after census) seems to have been in the Union,  maybe for short periods re the births.

When a Lilian Daisley married at Gamlingay in 1930 aged 26 her father is stated as William.

Quite a puzzle!

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Sunday 23 January 11 13:21 GMT (UK)

Thanks to all again,

** I do have the death cert for Rhoda and your details confirm I have the right one. Death 26/March/1954 Gamlingay. Identified as the widow of William Daisley. Informant H T Daisley, I think her son Harry.

Being identified as Williams widow would tell me that she never married again and that possibly that until William died she was with him......

I hope good assumptions...... I've never found a death record for a William daisley pre 1954 !!!!!

** It's interesting that Percy & Ronald were not baptised... I wonder why Percy was not baptised when each of the girls were ??

"Union" does this mean work house or similar ??

again - thanks to all who have posted.

cheers
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Sunday 23 January 11 18:25 GMT (UK)
Caxton Union Workhouse
http://www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/england/cambs/caxton_workhouse.htm

There was a William Richard Daisley buried Gamlingay 1946 aged 76.  His address was given as 29 Union Lane, Chesterton which was also a workhouse but became a hospital when the N.H.S. was formed, it was probably serving as a hospital prior to that.

If you visit Cambridgeshire Archives web site and go to the catalogue search page
http://calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/ArchiveCatalogue/SearchArchives.htm
Type in Caxton and Arrington Board of Guardians and look at item 120.  Register of births 1866 to 1914.

It may be worth contacting them to see if there is any information in that register that would help you.   For contact details http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Sunday 23 January 11 22:03 GMT (UK)

Selina,

Thank you for coming back to me and for the direction. I will put a request into the 'Historical research service' for info on the three females, hopefully it will reveal something.

I've just found the William Daisley death you mentioned, Cambs vol 4a page 176. I don't know what records you are looking at, but does it provide informant ? This William would tie into 1870 OK, but I can't find a birth for a William R Daisley, are you able to find a bap record for him, it might give parents names.

This William is being very allusive......

thanks again
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Sunday 23 January 11 22:55 GMT (UK)
Things seem to get cloudier rather than clearer don't they?!

I can't see a baptism for a William Richard Daisley in Cambridgeshire.

Other details are of burial record, died 12 October 1946, Ag. lab.  Buried 17th.  Apart from his age, address and grave number, that is all.

However!  When Harry Daisley married (no second name or initial) 27 December 1948 (aged 31 which fits) to Mollie Gillet at Gamlingay, his father was given as William Richard, land worker. Did not say deceased but then it doesn't always.   Witnesses were R. Daisley and P. Daisley, unfortunate that the first names are not given.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Sunday 23 January 11 23:24 GMT (UK)
Hi

Your right, hard to track this chap down. There is a family story that William was away in the army, but I've never managed to tie that in either as it was limited details.

R daisley with be Ronald & P Daisley will be Percy, at least I now know they were both alive in 1948.

I didn't know harrys exact marriage date, so thanks for that one.

I'll have a google for gamlingay grave inscriptions, for William R Daisley, it might turn up other names, fingers crossed.

Very interesting that the middle name Richard only turns up with Harry. I've done a couple of searches and do not think Ronald married, so only his birth will give us clues with regards his father.

Thank you again
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 24 January 11 11:53 GMT (UK)
hi,,there is a record on Findmypast of this man

Name:William DAISLEY
Year of birth:1871
Place of birth:Gamlingay, Potton, Cambridgeshire
Regiment:Bedfordshire Regiment

he served from 1889 to 1902

his father is named as a James
younger brother is Harry
elder brother Walter

is this your William?  ;)
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 24 January 11 12:06 GMT (UK)
looking at his service

he was
home 1889-1890
Malta  1890-1890
India  1890-1897
home 1897

then recalled for service in South Africa 1899-1902

so these dates fit with what you know of your William?
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Monday 24 January 11 12:31 GMT (UK)
Good stuff gortonboy!   

Expect Robin will be delighted with that, certainly his man I would think.

Well done.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Monday 24 January 11 15:37 GMT (UK)
gortonboy,

This is fantastic....... The dates tie so well that it must be the correct William Daisley.

I use ancestry.co.uk and did not find the above for William.  Was the info txt based or image of documents ??? r we allowed to exchange this type of stuff ? not sure of the rules yet.... sorry

This backs up the family story of william being away and also confirms that he is most probably not the father of the girls........ Further more it also might explain why Rhoda was in and out of the union house at this time and Also why he is not on the 1901 census meaning he returned home in 1902 to a bit of a surprise !!!!

This post has made my day..... cheers

Just need to sort out the middle name Richard, which would confirm if Selina's death record  is our man

Robin
 :)
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 24 January 11 18:32 GMT (UK)
you said you ordered some birth certs,,,,,is this one you have already looked at?

 
William DAISELEY Mar qtr 1871 Caxton 3b 491
 
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 24 January 11 18:50 GMT (UK)
if you get the service record you will see he was awarded a medal for the refief of Chitral 1895.....you can read about this here,,,start at page 526 and read the nexdt 4/5 pages  ;D

http://www.archive.org/stream/frontieroverseas01indi#page/526/mode/2up
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Monday 24 January 11 20:03 GMT (UK)
Hi

The below cert details  fits with your find,

william daiseley born 29th January 1871 in gamlingay, father william daiseley, mother mary daiseley nee meed.

So it looks like the next link is meed not daisley!

Thanks again
Robin


******* Added
my school boy error, your above army detail proves that william father was a James. meaning the only cert I have with a father as James is the earlier cert I noted where william is noted as Frederick William which can't be correct, as I expect that people would use the correct name when enlisting...... So the birth is still a mystery. Maybe he's not local to cambs ? Your info does however prove the siblings of William, which my tree.

regards
Robin


Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Monday 24 January 11 23:15 GMT (UK)
On military record on 19 February 1889 William's age is stated as 18 years 5 months and, as stated above by gortonboy, had brothers Walter and Harry and father James.

1871 Census taken 2 April 1871 William son of James and Mary and younger brother of Walter is stated as 10 months.

1881 Census William is with James and Mary and brothers Walter and Henry Arthur.

You will like this next bit!!

Baptism at Gamlingay on 13 December 1880 William Daisley son of James and Mary of Gamlingay Sinks otp
born 3 June 1870
baptised same day as Arthur Henry Daisley born 4 May 1777

Selina

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Monday 24 January 11 23:46 GMT (UK)
Selina

Magic..... This feels like the chap, just had a quick search there is a

William Dazeley Bedford 3b 344 in the June qtr 1870........  Would you be overly worried about the spelling ?? if not I Think I'll be ordering this cert next.

Very interested in Arthur, i bet he fits in some where, note williams brother is Henry/Harry Arthur Dailsey.

thank you to all for the info - this is helping huge..

Thanks
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Monday 24 January 11 23:57 GMT (UK)
I think it is possible that Henry Arthur/Arthur Henry name has been transposed either in original or transcription.

He is Henry Arthur in the 1881 aged 3 - Census taken 3 April. 
Arthur Henry was stated to have been born 4 May 1877 so he would still have been 3 years old on 3 April 1881.

It might be worth looking for that William Dazeley in the 1871 before you order certificate.   Have you found birth registrations for the other boys?

Selina

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Tuesday 25 January 11 00:24 GMT (UK)
Hi

Have not found birth or bap for either Walter or Henry/Harry, only the year from the census records. But the above would explain why I didn't find a record for Henry/Harry

Will check 1871 for William and have a look for the brothers.

Thanks again
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Tuesday 25 January 11 00:29 GMT (UK)
OK, signing off for tonight now.

Hope you make some more progress.

Regards,

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Tuesday 25 January 11 00:30 GMT (UK)

Just found Walter Daiseley Caxton vol3b page437 year1867 - looks good to me

&

Harry Dazley Bedford vol3b page330 year1876 - not sure

What do you think ?
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Tuesday 25 January 11 21:02 GMT (UK)

Below are three Williams for which I have the actual cert

1, William Daiseley, 29 Jan 1871, Father William Daiseley, Mother Mary Daisley NEE Speed or Meed
Caxton 3b 491

Father does not fit with williams father on his marriage cert

2, William Dazeley, 17 April 1870, Father Alexander Dazeley, Mother Sarah Dazeley NEE Goodman
Bedford 3b 344

Father does not fit with williams father on his marriage cert

3, Frederick William Daiseley, 4 June 1870, Father James Daiseley, Mother Mary Daiseley NEE Daiseley
Caxton 3b 470

Dates and parents match, but first name is Frederick


So your suggestion of the 3rd of june 1870 is looking good by elimination
William Dazeley Bedford 3b 344 in the June qtr 1870


Here's the big but...............

My number two above is apparently on the same page as yours 3b 344, but when you look at the page image there is only one william. (I looked at the freebmd image)

Have I misunderstood ??

regards
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Tuesday 25 January 11 21:14 GMT (UK)
Hi again Robin,

I was just looking at your family when you posting came on.

Surely your No. 2 William Dazeley born 17 April 1870 (Bedford 3b 344) the certificate which you have is the same person as William Dazeley birth registered June qtr 1870 (3b 444).  A birth between 1st April and 30th June would be classed as registered in the June quarter.

I think you may have been correct in the first place!  That Frederick William is your William.  Birth is only one day out from that given on the baptism, the district is correct and the parents' names fit with the baptism in 1880.
What is the address on that certificate, is it Sinks (or Cinques)?

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Tuesday 25 January 11 21:23 GMT (UK)
The birth of Arthur Henry Daiseley was reg. June qtr 1877 Caxton district (3b 487).

Arthur Henry Daisley appears to have died 18 May 1943 at Cambridge.  Buried Gamlingay age 66.  Ag lab buried 22 May.

The Walter Daiseley birth reg 1867 you found looks good.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Tuesday 25 January 11 21:47 GMT (UK)

Hi there

- The Frederick William Daiseley cert only says Gamlingay.

- The Walter Daiseley birth reg 1867 is looking good so will order that cert to see if William is named as the father.

I've just cross referenced the williams army dates with the children's DOB's, it looks like he was back home when the girls where born. So am starting to think there is more to it, so am very interested in what may turn up from the work house records.

Thanks again for your interest in this one.
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Tuesday 25 January 11 21:51 GMT (UK)
Expect it was just an oversight (I am getting muddled too now) but  James should be father of Walter not William.

I think I have just found William in 1911.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Tuesday 25 January 11 22:03 GMT (UK)
oops - school boy error - yea should be James as the father.

Is william on his own ?

Thanks
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Tuesday 25 January 11 22:05 GMT (UK)
Just sent you a pm.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Tuesday 25 January 11 22:32 GMT (UK)

Hi - thank you for that  :)

another favour - could you do a search for an Annie Beard (not sure of exact spelling and is apparently died as a spinster) for any record type in gamlingay. There is a family story that Olives god mother raised her (Olive = Rhoda dau)  but have never managed to find anything to support the story.... But thinking as all of williams and rhoda dau's have no fathers name, they may have been raised by another !! it's worth a try , nothing would surprise with this leg of the family at the moment...

cheers
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Tuesday 25 January 11 22:51 GMT (UK)
Afraid I can't see anything for her.  Have you found her in any census etc?

Just going to send you a few more details via pm, then closing for tonight.

Yes this family did seem to go out of their way to make things difficult for you!
Still its coming together.

'nite,

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 29 January 11 13:33 GMT (UK)
Selina

u were right to advise checking the 1871 for the William Dazeley born 1870ish, before ordering the cert. He does appear with parents Alexander and Sarah. So it turns out that I already have that cert and had ruled it out as the parents did not match.

So after much more hunting its feels like the other cert I have where the birth is one day out from ur bap and his first name is frederick, feels like the one. I'll pm it over.

Have u ever heard of first names being not used in later life ?

regards
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 14:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Robin,

Yes Frederick William seems the best contender so far as can been seen.

Strange bit is that his parents had dropped the 'Frederick' by the 1871 census and it doesn't appear again.

Yes I have several instances of first names not being used on my trees.  Off hand and without looking for them, I can think of 4.  My sister in law, my uncle in law, my mother's cousin (those 3 all used their second names) plus my grandfather's brother who was registered with just one forename, possibly baptised with a second and then also added another of his own choice.  He dropped his first name and swopped the second and chosen one around at times!

Have you ever found out what happened to Rhoda's sister Lily?  Looks like she is Lilla Ibbott (aged 3)  in 1881 with her grandmother Mary Hawkins and Lillie Ibbott (aged 13) in 1891 just described as 'relative' with William and Eliza Ibbott.

Selina

Added:  Birth reg.  Lilly Hibbett, June quarter 1877 Caxton district.  Baptised same day as Rhoda (14 August 1881) name Lily Hibbert, birth date given as 2 May 1877.
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 29 January 11 14:47 GMT (UK)

hi
Sounds like you have had just as much fun with your tree.....

I didn't Rhoda had a sister ! but makes sense as she named one her daughter Lillian, nick name Lily in the census. But the hawkins ties in, Rhoda mother was Sarah hawkins, and Sarah Mother was Mary Hawkins NEE Lovell.

Thomas Hibbet, husband of Sarah Hawkins, did have a brother William Hibbett/Ibbot, lily may have lived with for a while.

I'll add Lily to my tree, thanks for that. I'll have to have a look for a marriage and death.

thanks again
robin

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 14:51 GMT (UK)
Good luck with the Lily search. 

The Ibbott/Hibbett is an added problem!

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 29 January 11 14:52 GMT (UK)

Hi

Was Rhoda bap as Hibbett or Hibbert ?

Thanks
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 15:05 GMT (UK)
Hibbert.

But William and Eliza (presumably the Ibbotts above) who baptised a Flora that year are also down as Hibbert as is another family.

Without seeing the original register one wonders if  the handwriting was unclear or just written as it was heard.

Selina

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 15:10 GMT (UK)
1898 Banns it is Rhoda Hibbets!

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 15:19 GMT (UK)
I see that Lily Hibbett was a witness at Rhoda's marriage in 1898 so she was still alive and unmarried then.

Shopping calls!

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 29 January 11 17:34 GMT (UK)


I've just spent a couple of hours looking for possible deaths for william Daisley, there were many ....

But the only one which calculates back to an 1870 birth is

William R Daisley
death 1946
age 76
Cambridge
4a 176

Which is interesting as you said the father marked against the bap of Ronald Daisley (Williams Son) was a William Richard Daisley !!!!

will your source give anymore info around the above death?

Thanks
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 18:26 GMT (UK)
Robin - refer back on this thread to replies 15, 16 and 17 re William Richard Daisley, death 1946.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 29 January 11 18:40 GMT (UK)
Lily Hibbert married John Henry Lewin, December quarter 1898, Manchester district.

1901 living 17 Peary Street, North Manchester
John H. Lewin, head, 28, Joiner born Lancs. Liverpool
Lily Lewin, wife 23, born Cambridge, Gamlingay
Florence Lewin, daur, 1, born Lancs, Clayton

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 29 January 11 21:45 GMT (UK)

Selina

Thanks again for your help and interest. I hadn't thought about searching that far a field ! But it ties in well. Weird finding the location out.... I live 40/50 miles south and travel past Manchester regular, lets hop this leads to another branch of the tree.

Very interesting that both Rhoda and Lily named their daughters Florence, this may indicate some one important to both of them with the same name, maybe their mothers sister.

I see John is not at home in 1911.

regards
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 29 January 11 23:00 GMT (UK)


Just found the enlistment papers for J H Lewin, he joins 1915 serves for a few years. the papers name Lily, her maiden name, Florence, with marriage date and child birth dates so ties it in very well.

J H Lewin reg number = 69954 royal engineers

Can't find any more children, so Florence possible only child

thanks
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Sunday 30 January 11 12:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Robin,

Well done, how nice to know that it all fits in.

I see that you have a tree on Ancestry but assume not everything is confirmed, will have another look at that later and also JHL's military thing.

Anyway doesn't look like Olive went to sister Lily as she ended up back this way as she married in Hitchin area.  Is there any clue from her marriage certificate such as address or witnesses as to who she was brought up by?

I saw a marriage that I thought might be Rhoda's Florence will have to look to see if it is the one on your tree later.

Have you been in touch with any of the living relatives of Rhoda to see if they have anything you would be interested in?

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Sunday 30 January 11 15:00 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Yea my tree is on genes, also ancestry and also www.irvinefamilytree.com (working progress). Genes is usualy my master and I copy over the gedcom to ancestry every couple of weeks.

The Smith side is mostly backed up with documents and have photos at each generation back Luke smith. This has been hard work and I'm fairly proud of it, as my mum did not know any family (grow up children's homes) and two years ago I introduced my mum to her mum, who had been looking for her for many years. So that ended well and I'm still learning about the smith side.

Its the daisley & Hibbett side that has me stuck, I have no photo's from before Olive, it seems as if the family were completely detached.

The only living relatives under Rhoda which I've been touch with is from the Olive line, my nan (above) Jean Smith, Olive's daughter. Jean (My nan) and her brothers and sisters are surprised at how the tree is turning up siblings of Olive, as no one had any knowledge.

regards
robin


** emailed olives marriage cert
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Sunday 30 January 11 20:56 GMT (UK)
That's a lovely story about your Mum, very well done and with a name like Smith too!  A wonderful reward for all your hard work.

Will go and have a look for the certificate on my email.

Will look at your tree and send details of the Florence marriage (1933) I saw if you don't have them but it might not be her.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Monday 31 January 11 22:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Robin,

I looked at John Lewin's military record, nice details.

Also looked at Olive's marriage cert.  It might be interesting to know who lived at her address in 1933 from the Electoral Registers.  They are with Hertfordshire Achives and Local Studies as far as I am aware:
http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/

You could try a request on the Hertfordshire Board, someone might be visiting and do a look up for you.

At age 21 Olive might still be living with whoever brought her up or she could be in lodgings so it might not be helpful.

Regards,

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Monday 31 January 11 23:53 GMT (UK)


Hi

Good idea, I've posted a request, fingers crossed. This might be the best lead on Olive for a while.

regards
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 05 February 11 16:55 GMT (UK)
Seline

I now have the marriage cert for Florence Daisley Sept 19 1933 to Edwin Victor Watson.
Florence 23 & Edwin 31

No one from the Daisley side as a witness and the bad news is, Fathers name and surname = 'Unknown, adopted child '

So it's now confirmed Olive, no father named and Florence adopted with no father named.

The odd thing is Florence was still at home on the 1911 census, must have been hard to give away a child after a year.

I've also received the Births for Florences & Edwins children

David Victor Watson b 20 March 1939 Chesterton
Paul Joseph Watson b 29 April 1941 Chesterton
Joy Mavis Watson b 13 Jan 1948 Chesterton

all have the correct parents Edwin and Florence

They lived at 10 pages close, Histon

I've done a bit of speculative research for Joy and think she may have married a Anthony Baker, marriage = Jul/Aug/Sep 1968 Vol 4a Page 892


Whats the best way of finding someone who may be living still ?

Thanks
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 05 February 11 17:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Robin,

Not many easy avenues for living people.

192.com but if no free result comes up its not worth buying credits unless you can see one worth paying for.

Phone number.

Electoral roll - need the address and someone to look at it for you.

I will send a pm.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 05 February 11 20:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks again for your help.

Just read over the birth cert for Olive and Florence, in both cases the 'When and where' is "North Road House, Caxton Cambs - Caxton & Arrington" So you where 100% correct Rhoda did return to the work union in each case to have these two children.

Reseach is showing she had a tough time of it.

Regards
robin

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Saturday 05 February 11 22:15 GMT (UK)
It would be nice to know more about why Olive and Florence were fostered/adopted out.

I would think that the most likely source of information from family stories might come from the descendants of the two older children, Percy and Lilian.

I haven't looked at Percy but Lilian stayed in Gamlingay until her marriage in 1930 and had five or six children that I can see, can also see that four, possibly five, married so there must be somebody about still.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 05 February 11 22:51 GMT (UK)

I think my next move will be to order the birth, marriage and death for Lilian.

This is what I have

Birth = Oct/Nov/Dec 1904 Vol 3b Page 397
Marriage = Oct/Noc/Dec 1930 Vol 3b Page 1059 Caxton, Cambs
Death = Oct 1995 age 90, Cambridge, Reg C32C, District 3311C, Entry 224

I think she married a Harold Benstead. I've found only 2 children so far (sent in PM)

Thanks
Robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: DAllen23 on Thursday 15 March 12 01:53 GMT (UK)
I don't know if it is of any interest to you but I have a website at www.gamlingayphotos.co.uk (http://www.gamlingayphotos.co.uk) that has some old photos of Daisleys and Hibbetts
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Wednesday 28 March 12 22:01 BST (UK)
Hi there
Thanks for the link , I'll pop over and take a look
cheers
robin
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Saturday 27 December 14 23:52 GMT (UK)
Selina & all that helped on this thread....

It's been so long since I've been on this thread you may have to read the posts to remind yourself of the subject.

But I stumbled across an online member from the Daisley family today who happened to have some more information on William Daisley and Rhoda Daisley nee Hibbett in his tree, he divorced Rhoda on return from the army, seemed that she had had an affair and children who were not his. See below

Looking at the next few years, it looks like they had an on off relationship, as he was named later as the father of some children

It all fits now !

Name:William Daisley
Spouse Name:Rhoda Daisley
Petition Year:1902
Co-Respondent 1:E Crout (miss spelling, should be Croot)
Divorce Court File Number: 2748
 

Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Selina on Sunday 28 December 14 14:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Robin,

Many thanks for posting your information re the divorce. 

I have just re-read the search from the beginning - it was really interesting wasn't it?  I enjoyed it and am pleased to hear that there is an answer to what was so puzzling re Rhoda's children.

Happy New Year.

Selina
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Sunday 28 December 14 15:07 GMT (UK)

interestingly the chap I was in contact with yesterday, who is a Daisley, has William as  middle name 'Richard'. Trustworthy source and was the alternate you and I were looking at. This also ties in with the only death record you were able to find.
Regards
Robin Irvine
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: Paul Smith on Wednesday 11 April 18 02:32 BST (UK)
Hiya,
Hope I can help here, Olive Smith (nee Daisley) was my grandmother,
I have always been lead to belive that she was illigitimate,
She had 5 children, one of which was my dad and only one of my aunts is alive now,
Regards Paul Smith,
Title: Re: Hibbets & Daisleys from Gamlingay area
Post by: RobinIrvine on Wednesday 11 April 18 07:01 BST (UK)
Paul
Hope your well?
Excited your a Smith, I assumed I was in touch with all the Smiths form Olive and am very interested to know where you fit in the tree and what you have been told down the family tree.

Ref Olive Smith, nee Daisley, She has been an interesting one, I'm not 100% sure what happened, but have never found a marriage cert for her Mother and Father, the father being William R Daisley is a bit of speculation, as there is a few W Daisley's at that time. I have a few document which I can share. I'll PM you
Best regards
Robin