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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: HarrysGirl2 on Sunday 23 January 11 21:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm interested in any old photographs of Moon Street, which was off Pleasant Street, in Liverpool.
My father's family lived at number - 48, Moon Street pre; 1940's & I have a photograph of a mystery woman standing at the front door of a terraced house. The door is open & the Vestibule can be seen.
If anybody has any old photographs of the houses in Moon Street for me to compare, this might help me to identify the mystery lady standing at the door of number 48.
Can anybody help me to solve this mystery
Thanks
HarrysGirl2
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Hi, not sure if there are any of the street on this web site but might be worth you searching it?
Click for old Liverpool streets (http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=1&cr=7)
Migky ;)
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Hi, not sure if there are any of the street on this web site but might be worth you searching it?
Click for old Liverpool streets (http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=1&cr=7)
Migky ;)
Yes, thank Migky, I've been thru that site with a fine tooth comb, but nothing for Moon St
Thanks
HG2
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my nan & granddad &dad lived at 48 moon street
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Try Liverpool Record Office. They have a list of all the streets they have photos of.
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my nan & granddad &dad lived at 48 moon street
Hi Donna
Gosh! Are we related?!!!
What were your grandparent's names & when did they live at number 48 ?
Do you have any photos of the house inside or out. I'm interested in A photo of the front door & vestibule area, as I have a photo of a woman standing in an open
doorway & if I can recognise this doorway as Moon St, then I'll know who this woman is.
HG2
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Try Liverpool Record Office. They have a list of all the streets they have photos of.
Thanks for reminding me Gibel. I'll ask when I go tomorrow. I really need to see the front doorway of the houses as mentioned in my post above. Fingers crossed.
HG2
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Some of my ancestors lived in Sun Street.
Moon Street was eclipsed by sun Street, that was our slogan.
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Ahhh nostalgia - I bet some fun was had in those old pre-war streets.
HG2
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Ahhh nostalgia - I bet some fun was had in those old pre-war streets.
HG2
Some of my ancestors lived in Sun Street.
Moon Street was eclipsed by sun Street, that was our slogan.
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my dad was born in 48 moon street 1927 my nan & grandads name florence & james evans dont know the the date they moved in but they first rented rooms there off another family who were jewish think the womans name was rasher think her husband died not sure what happened to rasher but my nan had the house&in 1940 mydads youngest brother was born there have aphoto of my nan sitting on the step there with 2 of her grandchildren tried to attach it but couldnt its on my facebook
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my dad was born in 48 moon street 1927 my nan & grandads name florence & james evans dont know the the date they moved in but they first rented rooms there off another family who were jewish think the womans name was rasher think her husband died not sure what happened to rasher but my nan had the house&in 1940 mydads youngest brother was born there have aphoto of my nan sitting on the step there with 2 of her grandchildren tried to attach it but couldnt its on my facebook
Donna,
I'll PM you my email address.
HG2
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This means my grandfather had moved from 48,Moon St sooner than I thought. He was married & widowed three times & died in 1949. His 3rd wife Rosa died in 1934 & he was married to Rosa for 20 years. So your grandparents were renting a room from another Jewish family who had moved in to 48 after my grandfather moved out. Our ancestors paths have certainly crossed!
I need to trace where my grandfather moved to after Moon St, as I have one more of my father's siblings to track down. His name was Abraham Freedman on the 1911 census & he was a son of my grandmother's Rebecca nee Cohen. The family lived at 49, Pleasant St in 1911. Abraham was born in Russia & has disappeared after the 1911 census. He is the only link I have to trace my grandmother's roots, so it's important for me to find him.
PS. Don't understand this, because when Rosa died in 1934, her DC gave her address as 48, Moon St.
HR2
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my dad was born in 48 moon street 1927 my nan & grandads name florence & james evans dont know the the date they moved in but they first rented rooms there off another family who were jewish think the womans name was rasher think her husband died not sure what happened to rasher but my nan had the house&in 1940 mydads youngest brother was born there have aphoto of my nan sitting on the step there with 2 of her grandchildren tried to attach it but couldnt its on my facebook
I've been thinking about your grandparents renting a room off a Jewish lady named -Rasher... Could her name have been -Rosah ?
Because my grandfather's 3rd wife Rosa/Rosah died in 1934 & the address on her DC was 48, Moon St, so I think your grandparents rented the room off my grandfather!
HG2
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Rashe or Rasha means Rosa
HG2
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hopefully you guys still read this as its a long time since this thread was active, my Great Grandparents lived at number 52 moon Street..Joseph and Minne Ellenbogen.
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hopefully you guys still read this as its a long time since this thread was active, my Great Grandparents lived at number 52 moon Street..Joseph and Minne Ellenbogen.
Hi, so if the numbers were even along the street, they would have lived next door but one to my grandfather - Louis Freedman!
I don't suppose you have any photos of the houses in Moon Street ?
HG2
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unfortunateley not..heres the story My Great Granparents Joseph and Minnie had several children including my Grandfather Samuel, he was in the RASC in ww2 and was demobbed in a Derbyshire Town called Staveley, where he met my Grandmother and stayed until his death in 1988 consequently I have always lived in Derbyshire. Ok so that doesn't explain why i dont have any photographs but I was only 7 when hed died and have no recolection of him ever speaking or even visiting liverpool ever again, my Mum (sams daughter) also never met Joseph and Minnire or any of there other children...
so unfortunatley I know nothing about them and am on here incase someone does :), they were jewish (thankfully Josephs ww1 records survive) came from Russia / Poland, as i think a lot of people in moon street did. Ive emailed a jewish family history expert and even he cannot find any record of them anywhere apart from their kids birth records and when they died, (they are in Rice Lane Cemetery)...wood love to see a picture of their house or of them or even the holy grail of finding out where they came from and why they came here??????
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unfortunateley not..heres the story My Great Granparents Joseph and Minnie had several children including my Grandfather Samuel, he was in the RASC in ww2 and was demobbed in a Derbyshire Town called Staveley, where he met my Grandmother and stayed until his death in 1988 consequently I have always lived in Derbyshire. Ok so that doesn't explain why i dont have any photographs but I was only 7 when hed died and have no recolection of him ever speaking or even visiting liverpool ever again, my Mum (sams daughter) also never met Joseph and Minnire or any of there other children...
so unfortunatley I know nothing about them and am on here incase someone does :), they were jewish (thankfully Josephs ww1 records survive) came from Russia / Poland, as i think a lot of people in moon street did. Ive emailed a jewish family history expert and even he cannot find any record of them anywhere apart from their kids birth records and when they died, (they are in Rice Lane Cemetery)...wood love to see a picture of their house or of them or even the holy grail of finding out where they came from and why they came here??????
Yes, your family were living slap-bang in what was then the Jewish quarter of Liverpool. There is a Jewish family of that same name still living in Liverpool, I would imagine they are connected to you ?
I've been researching my Jewish roots for many years & I work with a group of Jewish & non-Jewish researchers who are scattered around the world & who are all very experienced researchers. Have you been researching for long ? Have you joined all the free Jewish websites & left a list of names for people to contact you ?
After many years I managed to find the Shtetl where my grandfather came from & I also found his parents & some siblings in Dublin. I began with zero info as my father's family thought my maternal grandfather, who died in 1949, was a 'one-off' with no family whatsoever. So now we have relatives all over the world!
Like yourself, my grandfather also died many years before I was born. He was born in 1867, the era that most of my friends gt gt gt grandfathers were from.
Jewish roots are very difficult to research with all the name changes, my Freeman family has evolved from Freedman and was originally Friedman.
HG2
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My grandparents lived in 50 Moon Street in the 1920's Alexander and Alice Ann Midghall but unfortunately have never seen a picture of the street and it's no longer there
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My grandparents lived in 50 Moon Street in the 1920's Alexander and Alice Ann Midghall but unfortunately have never seen a picture of the street and it's no longer there
It's amazing, so now we have...
48) Louis Freeman, who lived at number 48, Moon St, from 1911 until about early 1940s & rented a room to Florence & James Evens, who stayed after my GF Louis left.
50) Alexander & Alice Ann Mindghall who lived at number 50, Moon St, in the 1920s
52) Joseph & Minnie Ellenbogan
I began this thread because I have been given a photo of an elderly woman standing on the doorstep of a house & I 'think' she might be my grandfather's 3rd wife standing on the doorstep of 48, Moon St. (My grandfather was widowed 3 times)
I'm hoping that one day someone will come along & find this thread who has a photo of Moon St. You will see from the posts that Donna2010 found this thread & had such a photo but unfortunately the photo only reveals a tiny bit of the door frame, not enough to identify when comparing the 2 photos. If I can confirm it is Moon St, then that will confirm who the woman on the photo is.
HG2
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next door neighbours!!! I did a search ages ago at Liverpool Library on line or something or other like that and they had a pamphlet written by a rabbi (sp?) about a fire in Moon street, maybe they also have some photos, i can't imagine they would just bulldoze the place and not document it somehow especially as it was still there in at least 1952 (when my great grandad died) to put up the university?
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http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/merseysidealiens/aliensdate.htm
theres two entires on this page (possibly more in this site for moon street
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Found this-is it yours?
http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/roots_158.html
Best wishes
Ginny
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Found this-is it yours?
http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/roots_158.html
Best wishes
Ginny
Yes, that's me LOL! But I've come a long way since I posted that message in the Jewish Telegraph.
The Louis Friedman from Lomza (mentioned in that message) on the shipping list turned out to be a red herring. He changed ships in Liverpool & carried onto New York 3 weeks later. :'(
It took me another couple of years to find where my grandfather Louis came from. He always 'claimed' he was a German National on all UK censuses yet I could not find him on any alien list or in any alien camp. Luckily, I found that he had visited Dublin in 1917 with his family & as he had never naturalized, he needed to sign the alien register in Dublin & that gave me his true place of birth taken from his identity card. He was from Sveksna, Kovno, Russia. It's an area which is now a part of Lithuania.
This was the most important 'find' of my entire research as not only did this prove where he came from, this also tied my grandfather Louis, to Tobias & Faiga Freedman who lived in Dublin. (my grandfather's parents) That then tied him to some siblings I also found in Dublin.
I'm writing a biography about my parents, so I've been researching for some time now.
Thanks Ginny
HG2
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Hi
My family, coming from Ireland, haven't made it easy for me either, so I understand. Good luck. If I ever come across a photo of Moon Street, I'll remember you. Where is Moon Street by the way?
G
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Hi
My family, coming from Ireland, haven't made it easy for me either, so I understand. Good luck. If I ever come across a photo of Moon Street, I'll remember you. Where is Moon Street by the way?
G
Moon St was around the BrownLow Hill area of Liverpool, which was were Jewish immigrants settled in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
My mother's paternal side were from Liverpool & I've pooled my info with another researcher & the family go back to 1573!
But my mother's maternal side were from Ireland & I gave those Irish roots a wide berth knowing how difficult Irish roots are to trace.
I can't believe my bad luck to find my father's Jewish family also settled in Ireland! I have so many missing deaths! It's as if they didn't bother to register a death!
I have found my paternal gt grandmother's grave in Dublin, but there's no stone & it looks like her death has not been registered.
Thanks Ginny
HG2
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next door neighbours!!! I did a search ages ago at Liverpool Library on line or something or other like that and they had a pamphlet written by a rabbi (sp?) about a fire in Moon street, maybe they also have some photos, i can't imagine they would just bulldoze the place and not document it somehow especially as it was still there in at least 1952 (when my great grandad died) to put up the university?
Oh, that's interesting! Thanks for this info. The Liverpool Records Office might have some photos of Moon St, I'm going to their temporary offices next week.
HG2
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any luck?
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The temporary office closed at the start of November as part of the move back to the main building next year.
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Hi, yes they will probably be stored int he temporary satellite office at Sandhills. I have not had time to go there yet, busy time for me at the moment.
Will let you know as soon as I know.
HG2
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Sandhills has closed here's the latest update:-
http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-local-and-family-history/
Blue
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Sandhills has closed here's the latest update:-
http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-local-and-family-history/
Blue
Thanks Blue. This is why I've not received a reply to my emails !
HG2
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Hi, I have a great uncle Louis Freidman who lived in Ireland he had sisters Leah and Esther and a brother (name unknown) who had a daughter Hadie. http://www.intbis.com/family/peters2a.html top right hand corner. I wonder if they are the same ?
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Hi, I have a great uncle Louis Freidman who lived in Ireland he had sisters Leah and Esther and a brother (name unknown) who had a daughter Hadie. http://www.intbis.com/family/peters2a.html top right hand corner. I wonder if they are the same ?
Very interesting! So far I have found two brothers & one sister whose name was 'Esther' for my grandfather Louis Friedman. I will contact you via your link.
HG2
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Hi! I have been looking into my paternal great grandfather who was West Indian and I believe settled in Liverpool after serving in WW1. After this he became a seamen... I have him down on an incoming passenger list from Burma as living at 44 Moon Street in April 1930 so I was googling and came across your thread.
Anyway! He married a woman named Irene Ethal Freeman in 1940 and I was wondering whether there was any connection to your Freemans? He died in the late 1940s and Irene remarried another West Indian man named Cecil Harding. Irene was born about 1919 and I've been told her mother was named Amelia. on Irene's birth index record it says that her mothers maiden name is Fagent.
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As for solving the mystery of the lady in the photo is there somewhere I can view it? It could be Irene lol.
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I have also been hunting for a photo of Moon Street. I did find a map with a Moon Street on this page [scroll down a titch]:
http://www.liverpool-city-group.com/cgi-bin/liverpooldb.cgi?db=liverpool&uid=default&keyword=moon&view_records=Search
My ancestor -- Eleanor Corlett Caine passed away at 6 Moon Street in 1862.
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My nan lived in number 50 moon street in the 1950s when she was a little girl , her mums name was susie and her grandmothers name was mrs Robbo but they lived next door to Joseph Ellenbogen she remembers Joseph Being very old and could not walk very well she remembers him having a long beard , jean and dougie brown were renting a room of Joseph ellenbogen jeans maiden name was evans she was the daughter of florance evans and jimmy evans who lived over the road so this could be the mystery lady or it could actually be my nans mum i would love to see the picture to show my nan as she could give you more information
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Hi
My direct ancestor Sophia Cohen (married names Grower and Unger) has 23 Moon Street listed on her death certificate. I notice that harrys girl 2 is also researching Cohen's and I wonder if there is a connection.
Garry Wylie
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Moon street and sun street were between Elizabeth street and Crown street in Liverpool, near the Royal infirmary and the University of Liverpool. They can be seen in the upper right hand side on this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/126523139 .
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Hi, I don't have any photos sadly, how did you get on with your search at the library?
My ancestors lived in 48 Moon Street in 1891, he was a seaman - McQuillan/McQuillin
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HarrysGirl2
Just seen this posting. As a matter of interest in 1901 Joseph Mazorkoff and family lived at number 36 Moon Street.
TILLYMINT20
Don't know if this a coincidence, but I have an Gertrude Ellenbogen married to Abraham Mazorkoff(his 2nd. marriage) in 1924. Abraham lived at 36 Moon Street at one time.
Steve62
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Message for Harrysgirl2 .
Hi just come across this forum and noticed that surnames you are researching are ones that match with my Ancestry DNA connected surnames (Freidman/Freedman/Cohen/Rosenberg). You mention number 48 where your family lived. My Great grandparents lived at number 52. My Great grandfather was Morris Rosofsky, and his parents were Israel and Minnie. However, after my great grandfather's marriage I can't find any information on him. The only person I found was a Morris Cohen in the 1939 census, married to a Fanny Cohen but above his surname was written "ROSOFSKY" so I'm wondering if that was actually their family name.
Anyone with any information on this family who lived on Moon Street please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi, I am looking for any information about my grandparents who lived in Moon Street between 1940 to 1960. My grandfathers name was Tom Jones and he had four daughters Nora, Margaret, Suzie and Pauline. Margaret was my mother, I was only a baby when we moved away but do vaguely remember as a child going back with my mum to visit friends she had there.
Appreciate any help you can give.