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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: sancti on Tuesday 25 January 11 17:29 GMT (UK)
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I have taken some photos of the more legible headstones and will add more names later. If anyone wants a copy just PM your email address with the names you would like.
SHAW JOHNSTON
PATON MCLEOD
SUMMERS
MILLAR MOWBRAY
GAULT
PATERSON
HENDERSON REID
HAMILTON
HAMILTON CHALMERS LIGHTBODY WILSON
INGLIS
GILKCHRIST
LEGAT
MAGECK
MARTIN
THOMSON BARR
BARR BURNS
BUCHANAN
MILLAR
PRENTICE
GEMMEL
GIBSON
MEEK
LIDDLE
KYLE
PATERSON
FORD
MILLER
DAVIE
LINDSAY
HAMILTON
ANDERSON
YOUNG
CURRIE HENDRY
CRAIG CURRIE
WILSON
SPARROW
DONALDSON
SCOTT
CLARK
BARR GOLDER
STEVEN
TAYLOR MCNEILL
FRAME
BRUCE CROSS
COURT BLACKWOOD
BINNING
BARR
PRENTICE
HENRY
BURNS
RODGERS
KEMP BROWN
SMITH
BUCHANAN
CONDER ALLAN
LYDSLIE
BORLAND
WARNOCK JACK
BRUCE THOMSON
SMITH HAMILTON
DYKES BROWN
HAMILTON THOMLISON
FRAME
SUMMERS REID
MINTO KIRBY
GOWANS MILLAR
NORTH
BUCHANAN MILLENS
STOBO FORREST
CAMPBELL
ALLAN ADIE
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More names added more to follow
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List complete at the moment but I will go back later
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Hi Sancti
I would be grateful for details of any Smiths that you may have in particular if they are linked with Twaddle and more so if the middle name is Boyes.
Many Thanks
Yours Aye
BruceL
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FORREST
BURNS
HAMILTON MILLER
PURDIE
LANG
WATTON
SIMPSON
MILLAR DAVIDSON
GOWANS YOUNG
HAMILTON BARR
WORFOLK
PATTON
MARSHALL
MUIR PATON
BROWN
GABBIE
RILIE
MASTERTON
SMELLIE
ROWATTDINNEN
WATSON
KENNEDY BUCHANAN
MEARNS BAILLIE
WILSON RESTON
WRIGHT BROWNLIE
FRAME
BATHGATE
RANDALL
MUIRHEAD
PRENTICE
MARTIN
STEVENSON
MCGREGOR
RENWICK GAGE
MCGHIE
FAIRLEY LINDSAY
SIMPSON MCKENZIE
BARR
ROGER WILSON
CAMERON
MCNAIR
RIDDELL
WEIR
RIDDELL
RIDDELL CRAIG STAFFORD
BARRIE
PATERSON KEMP
HINSHAW TAYLOR
HENRY
MILLER
MORE
DOWNIE
STEEL
KENNEDY
PARKER HAMILTON STRANG (COVENANTORS)
BOYD
PENDER MILLAR HUTCHISON
MUIR
THOMSON
MACKIE
MATHER
TAIT
PRENTICE WILTON
SMITH
FINDLAY
FINLAY
GOLDER
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My Hamilton Lanarkshire families consist of Smellie/Frame, Frame/King, Buchanan/Gebbie, Buchanan/Wilson, Lang/Wilson. Buchanan/Douglas. I am particularly interested in the William Buchanan/Martha Gebbie who married in 1814 and my Mungo Lang/Janet (possibly Stirling). I am in Australia so would appreciate any information. I do have photos of my Smellie Frame and family grave in the old parish churchyard. The Mungo Lang would be the oldest connection. Anything on Janet Smellie/John or William Frame who married in 1797 in Hamilton. Thanks for your great study on this subject. I subscibe to the frame family worldwide website and the Lanarkshire families and history so there are many interested folk searching for this information. Good luck.
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Hi Bella,
The name "Mungo Lang" is so unusual that I thought I'd add this, in the hope it may take you back another generation.
The baptism register (1776 - 1800) for the 1st Relief Congregation Church in Hamilton has survived and there are 2 entries for Mungo Lang. I checked all the other combinations you mention but no luck.
Mungo Lang, weaver and Isobel Riddell his spouse.
Son James born 8th September 1777.
Daughter Marion born 5th May 1780, baptised at Hamilton 7th May 1780 by the Rev Mr Ramsay.
There is also mention in the church building subscription list (1776), of William Buchanan, baker in Hamilton who donated 5 shillings.
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Thankyou once again Lodger. You found this great info for me once before. The Death record of my ancestor Marion Wilson stated that her father was Mungo Lang and her mother Janet Stirling. As neither the Stirling or Liddle names have been handed down, i am still hoping to see some proof somewhere so thought there may be a gravestone somewhere.. Marion died Jan 1860 aged 78 and was married to David Wilson. I was hoping there may be a record of them somewhere. They had a large family of boys and the only girl was named Christian which didn't help either. Thanks again.
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Hi Lodger,
Sorry, to hijack this topic, but could I be cheeky and ask for a look up in the 1st Relief Congregation Church in Hamilton, please ;) :-* (If you have it on hand, that is)
The names I'm interested in are HUTTON and BRYSON.
I contacted the Ham Ref Lib but I have wait for my sister in the big smoke to get the pounds sterling cheque they require before I can ask them to look for me.
Thanks, and I hope this is okay,
Mo
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Hi Mo, all I could find was Janet Bryson, spouse of James Bell, baker.
No Hutton with a Bryson spouse. There were a few Scessionist churches in Hamilton, any other surviving records will be at the National Archives in Edinburgh. (I think it may be called something else now?).
Lodger
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Hi Lodger,
Thank you for looking. Janet Bryson and James Bell I'll have to check out - they're not ringing any bells (ha ha :-[)
Those missing Hamilton baptisms and marriages are driving me bananas, so thanks for the tip about the Scessionist churches.
Mo
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These dates may be newer than the cemetery. Don't know if it's still in use. I see you have Steel on the list and am hoping I'm fishing in the right stream.
Would like to know where my great-grandmother is buried. Here are the facts as I know them:
Margaret Steele (ms Barclay) Thomson
b. ca. 1851 in Hamilton to William Barclay and Margaret Steele
m. John Thomson on 21 March 1877 in Cambusnethan.
d. 23 January 1904, age 52 at Calderwood Castle, East Kilbride.
At the time of her death her husband was Head Gardener/Estate Manager at Calderwood Castle. John Thomson subsequently remarried and he, new wife, and all 4 of Margaret's daughters emigrated to the USA. She would be buried either all by herself or perhaps with her parents. I haven't found anything in the Dalserf MI's although her husband's family (Sandilands/Barr/Thomson) are there.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated,
Mary
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The Steel headstone is for Thos Steel and his family
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Oh dear! I have no Thomas in this family. Would anyone know if there were graves at the castle?
Thanks, Mary
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Possibly in East Kilbride churchyard
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http://www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/directory_record/1539/east_kilbride_old_parish_churchyard
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Hi Sancti.
Wonder if you`ve come across any stones with the names Naismith and Weir. Either in the Old Parish or Bent cemetaries? These people lived in Hamilton in the 1800`s.
Mary
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saw your names Naismith and Weir. My ggg grandfather William Smellie Frame married an Agnes or Ann Weir in Nov. 1850 in Hamilton. She must have been very well loved by her step children as they gave her name to their children. She died in Glasgow Feb 1895. She was the daughter of Basil Weir. I think there are photos of gravestones with the name Weir from Bent Cemetery on the Lanarkshire families & histories website. It is a good site where we can upload photos and attachements of records. You may like to take a look at the large collection of photos.
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More names to follow
MORRIS
SYME
LANG
GOLDER HAMILL
MARTIN AITON
SMITH REID
WEIR BAILLIE
REID WINGFIELD
REID
CALDWELL
HENDERSON WILSON
MARSHALL PATRICK
HAMILTON
HINSHAW
COOPER
MORE HAMILTON
MARTIN
FYFE HUTCHISON
SMITH LEGAT
ROBERTSON
SMITH FRAME
STEWART
SCOTT ROBERTSON
BALLOW
PRINGLE
PILE GAGE
Send me a pm if you want a copy of any of the pictures.
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Dear Sancti, sorry i got mixed up in the thread - i am not used to this website and want to get back to the lists of names you gave for Hamilton Old Parish Churchyard.
I wondered about the Buchanan and Gabbie names. I have my ggg grandparents William Buchanan married to Martha Gebbie. Martha had brother John and sister Isabella neither of whom were married. I had hoped i may find something. I am also looking for David Wilson and wife Marion nee Lang and her parents Mungo Lang and wife Janet. A big ask. Thanks, Heather.
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I am researching the McGehan's of Hamilton and I was wondering if anyone had a photo of the headstone in the Parish Churchyard that was inscribed with Peter McGehan and Isabella Burns?
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Hi Sancti.
Thanks for the PM with the Weir/Naismith pics.
Keep up the good work, you`re much appreciated.
Regards,
Mary
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I am researching the McGehan's of Hamilton and I was wondering if anyone had a photo of the headstone in the Parish Churchyard that was inscribed with Peter McGehan and Isabella Burns?
I have a picture of a headstone with the name Isabel Burns on it
Send me a pm with your email address and I will send it on.
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Final batch of names that I have
MARSHAL PATRICK
BOGLE
HENDERSON DICKSON
AYRD
MILLER CRAIG
GREIR
RENICK
TAYLOR
KING
FERGUSON
RUSSELL
HAMILTON
MCKIE
LAWSON
JOHNSTON
LOCHRAN WATSON
BARR
HAMILTON BELL
MEIKLE
THOMSON
ROBISON
GIFFORD
HART
COOK
STEWART HAMILTON
SMITH CURRIE
LITSTER
FLEMING
HARVIE
YOUNG WILSON
SMITH NAISMITH HALDANE
NAISMITH
SCOULAR
MCCULLOCH
BAILLIE
LOUDON CURRIE
HENDERSON
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Hi Sancti,
I would be interested in any photos for Mather, or Strang. I am also looking for a Jane King or Mather whose death would have been before 1850.
Thanks
William
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I will PM you to ask for the Hinshaw photos as soon as I've made three posts and am allowed to PM...
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Right. About. Now. ;)
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FORREST
BURNS
HAMILTON MILLER
PURDIE
LANG
WATTON
SIMPSON
MILLAR DAVIDSON
GOWANS YOUNG
HAMILTON BARR
WORFOLK
PATTON
MARSHALL
MUIR PATON
BROWN
GABBIE
RILIE
MASTERTON
SMELLIE
ROWATTDINNEN
WATSON
KENNEDY BUCHANAN
MEARNS BAILLIE
WILSON RESTON
WRIGHT BROWNLIE
FRAME
BATHGATE
RANDALL
MUIRHEAD
PRENTICE
MARTIN
STEVENSON
MCGREGOR
RENWICK GAGE
MCGHIE
FAIRLEY LINDSAY
SIMPSON MCKENZIE
BARR
ROGER WILSON
CAMERON
MCNAIR
RIDDELL
WEIR
RIDDELL
RIDDELL CRAIG STAFFORD
BARRIE
PATERSON KEMP
HINSHAW TAYLOR
HENRY
MILLER
MORE
DOWNIE
STEEL
KENNEDY
PARKER HAMILTON STRANG (COVENANTORS)
BOYD
PENDER MILLAR HUTCHISON
MUIR
THOMSON
MACKIE
MATHER
TAIT
PRENTICE WILTON
SMITH
FINDLAY
FINLAY
GOLDER
Hi sancti,
Thank you so much for adding these surnames. I had ancestors by the name of "Tait" that had lived in Hamilton for decades. I am curious too see if the "Tait"s that you had found are my ancestors. May I please see the images that you had taken? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
Jess (Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA)
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Hi Sancti,
Wonder if you can help me out, Lodger tells me there is a headstone in the old church yard to James Alston 1818, can you tell me do you have a photo of it please?
I would be very grateful as we live in Sussex, England.
Many thanks
Helen
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Sorry but I didn't come across a headstone with that name.
Many are totally eroded and many are lying flat covered with moss and dirt
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Thanks anyway.
Regards
Helen
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Hi, I am looking for James Mckinlay died 15 Aug 1871. He lived at Larkhall Lanarkshire before he died.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Regards
Heather
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He wouldn't have been buried in Hamilton parish churchyard, it was closed long before 1871. He is probably in Larkhall cemetery, if you contact the cemeteries office of South Lanarkshire Council (just google the address) they should help you.
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wonderful, Thank you so much for that
Heather
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Sancti, have you seen any tombstones with the name Rice? I have been trying to trace my ancestor Francis Rice who died in Hamilton in 1855. The death record says he was buried in the parish churchyard. I wondered if you have come across him? He might be near the Burns you posted as his mother was Margaret Burns. Just thought I would ask!
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Many of the headstones in the churchyard are very eroded or moss covered so there may be a headstone for him but I only took pictures of stones that were reasonably legible at the time
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Sancti, thank you for responding so quickly. If you are familiar with this parish can you tell me how I might find more about parish members living in the first half of the 19th century? I have taken the records available on line (Scottish OPRs, newspaper archives etc) as far as I can. I live in Nova Scotia so if anyone would like be to check on anything for them just email! Thanks Ellen
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Is this the family in 1851
Frances Rice 40 Head born: Ayr, Ayrshire Occupation: Coachman
Agnes Rice 38 wife born: Lochgilphead, Argyle
Agnes Rice 17 daur born Glasgow
Margt Rice 16 daur born Glasgow
Isabell Rice 12 daur born Hamilton
Francis Rice 11 son born Glasgow
Hugh Rice 6 son born Stirling
John Rice 3 son born Hamilton
Donald Fergason 18 nephew born: Argyle
Address Low Water Hamilton
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FORREST
BURNS
HAMILTON MILLER
PURDIE
LANG
WATTON
SIMPSON
MILLAR DAVIDSON
GOWANS YOUNG
HAMILTON BARR
WORFOLK
PATTON
MARSHALL
MUIR PATON
BROWN
GABBIE
RILIE
MASTERTON
SMELLIE
ROWATTDINNEN
WATSON
KENNEDY BUCHANAN
MEARNS BAILLIE
WILSON RESTON
WRIGHT BROWNLIE
FRAME
BATHGATE
RANDALL
MUIRHEAD
PRENTICE
MARTIN
STEVENSON
MCGREGOR
RENWICK GAGE
MCGHIE
FAIRLEY LINDSAY
SIMPSON MCKENZIE
BARR
ROGER WILSON
CAMERON
MCNAIR
RIDDELL
WEIR
RIDDELL
RIDDELL CRAIG STAFFORD
BARRIE
PATERSON KEMP
HINSHAW TAYLOR
HENRY
MILLER
MORE
DOWNIE
STEEL
KENNEDY
PARKER HAMILTON STRANG (COVENANTORS)
BOYD
PENDER MILLAR HUTCHISON
MUIR
THOMSON
MACKIE
MATHER
TAIT
PRENTICE WILTON
SMITH
FINDLAY
FINLAY
GOLDER
I'd like to have sight of a few of your photos if it's not too much of an inconvenience please.
I have an unsolved puzzle in that my g.grandmother (m.s. Jane Mckenzie) died in Hamilton and was found by a stranger in the street. I assume she must have been visiting family. There's a dearth of b.m. records for her generation and I'm having to find clues in old newspapers, headstones and wills, etc.
I see that there's a female
Mckenzie in your list.
Also Jane's mother was a
Cameron and the Cameron in your list could have been a relative.
Brownlie is connected to Jane by marriage
I'm also looking for a
David Marshall who was a business partner of her father in law and also a witness at a baptism in 1817.
Thanks in anticipation
Rena
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Hi Rena
Send your email by pm and I'll forward the pics
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Thanks Sancti - much obliged
Rena
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Hi Sancti, Yes that is my family. Francis Jr. and Hugh came to Canada and I am descended from Francis. I have come to a dead end in tracing Francis Sr. further. His death certificate lists his father as Francis and his mother as Margaret Burns. It also says he was born in Ayr... any help as to where to look next would be much appreciated! Ellen
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Hi Scanti,
i am new on this so not sure in what to do. i am quite interested on the DOWNIE on the first list, my GT GT GT step grandmother died in 1856 and was buried there, her name ia rose muldoon but was has been other spellings such as, Mildownie, Downie, Muldoony . i was just wondering too, you havent come across a john devine/divine died in 1856 have you?
Gary.
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Hi Gary
The Downie stone says
ERECTED BY
ROBERT DOWNIE
IN MEMORY OF
HIS WIFE & PARENTS
No dates given
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Awww its not her then, thanks anyway =D
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What were her parent's names?
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i only no her fathers name, its patrick her name couls be rosa too on her death cert she is down as rosa mildownie and she was married to james devine. is brother is also buried there too, John.
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Hi Sancti,
I'm interested in any Hendersons. My GGG Grandmother died there in 1901, Jane Henderson nee McDiarmid/McDermont.
Other Hendersons I'm interested in are her husband William, and any of the children -
Helen Henderson
1862 – 1891
Agnes Henderson
1863 –
Robert Henderson or his wife Alice nee Smith
1865 –
Jane Henderson
1869 –
Ann Henderson
1871 –
William Henderson
1877 –
James Henderson
1880 –
John Henderson
1883 –
Margaret Maggie Henderson
1884 –
I'm also interested in cemeteries in Lesmahagow. Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? I'm in Australia and it can get frustrating trying to search from afar, particularly when I don't know these places at all!
Thanks,
Paislie
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Sancti,
I was just reading your post regarding Hamilton Old Parish Churchyard. I would be interested in any Anderson's you have found. Thanks, Scoswe
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Hi Sancti,
I'm interested in any Hendersons. My GGG Grandmother died there in 1901, Jane Henderson nee McDiarmid/McDermont.
Other Hendersons I'm interested in are her husband William, and any of the children -
Helen Henderson
1862 – 1891
Agnes Henderson
1863 –
Robert Henderson or his wife Alice nee Smith
1865 –
Jane Henderson
1869 –
Ann Henderson
1871 –
William Henderson
1877 –
James Henderson
1880 –
John Henderson
1883 –
Margaret Maggie Henderson
1884 –
I'm also interested in cemeteries in Lesmahagow. Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? I'm in Australia and it can get frustrating trying to search from afar, particularly when I don't know these places at all!
Thanks,
Paislie
THOMAS HENDERSON
In memory of
MARGARET REID
His wife
Who died 1 October 1849
Aged 54
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Sancti,
I was just reading your post regarding Hamilton Old Parish Churchyard. I would be interested in any Anderson's you have found. Thanks, Scoswe
HUGH ANDERSON
1824
(No indication if this was date of death or date of purchase of lair)
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Hello Sancti,
I came across your posting for the MIs in the Hamilton Kirkyard. I have just discovered an ancestor buried there and noticed his name on your posting. I didn't know there was a stone for him. He is called "John Morris" and it is the only Morris grave in the cemetery. Do you have a photo of that grave or further information about the inscription on it? Any info would be much appreciated! I live in the Western Isles, far away from Hamilton, so I'm not going to get to see the grave myself any time in the near future...
Yours,
Ross
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It is a slab type headstone and it is not the clearest of pictures but it is for John Morris and the date could be 1807
Send your email by personal message and I will forward the picture
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Thanks!
A John Morris died in 1856 and was buried in Hamilton Churchyard according to the SRIs. His father, another John Morris and my ancestor, died sometime after 1841 having appeared in the Census for that year. So the date on the stone may be 1847 if it's not the John who died in 1856. I haven't enough posts yet to send you a PM - I only joined yesterday, so I need to send a few more messages...
I look forward to seeing the photo.
Yours,
Ross.
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One more message should do it (I hope!)
R
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Hi,
I would really any info you have on Scott or Forrest please. I am new here and not sure how to send you my email address!
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Hi Sancti
I would appreciate any details of the graves of McGHIE and KING in the graveyard. You could send them directly to my email (*) if that would be easier
Regards & Many Thanks
Leith
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Matthew McGhie died 1804 and James McGhie & his family
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Hi Lodger -- Realize this post is old, but wondering if any FRAMEs appear in the building subscription list from 1776 for Muir Street Relief Church. I actually have a photo of my ancestor's grave in the Hamilton churchyard and have the Frames in the Muir Street baptisms (1776-1800) and lair owners, but wasn't aware of the subscription list. Also, do you know if there are baptismal records after 1800? Any marriage records? Thanks so much. -- John Frame
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Hi John,
I can't open the file, it's an old version that wont run on this pc. I have sent it to a pal who may be able to help. I did find some of the original notes I made and there are 5 Frames mentioned.
ROBERT FRAM, mason in Fernigair. 5 shillings.
JOHN FRAME, mason, Merryton. 5 shillings.
JOHN FRAM senior, Merryton. 5 shillings.
JOHN FRAM junior, (tennant or tanner) Merryton. 10 shillings.
ROBERT FRAM in Merryton. 5 shillings.
It may well be that the 2 Roberts are the same person. as you can see, the names are all from the Larkhall road end of the parish. If I find any more I will let you know. The subscriptions would have been collected about 1775 - 76.
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Thx very much Lodger for such a quick reply!
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Hi John, there was a small mistake in the information I gave you about the Frames.
"John Frame mason in Merryton" should be James Frame mason in Merryton, sorry.
Lodger
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I managed to open the file!
2 more entries.
William Fram. (no place of abode).
Hellen Frame, indweller in Merryton.
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Thx for your help Lodger. Much appreciated.
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Interested in knowing if there are any of my Gibson ancestors who lived in Hamilton are buried at the Hamilton Old Parish Church? I am hoping to visit Hamilton in July.
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Hamilton Old Parish Churchyard Monumental Inscription, which reads:
Plaque on churchyard wall: Erected by the parishioners of (Balmaghin) in memory of their pastor Rev Alexander Gibson who was translated from Glasgow in 1839 and died there 17th August 18(46) (very worn)
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi sancti
I see from your list of names of the headstones at Hamilton Old Parish Church that there is a Gibson. My great great grandfather William Gibson and his wife Elizabeth lived and died in Hamilton. Would there names be on the headstones you have photographed?
Thanks
Bob
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Thanks Rodeo
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Hi I hope the topic is still open.
I am looking for burials for MORE surname - with spouse Nisbet or Hamilton.
Or if there are only a few MORE/MOIR/MURE perhaps they could be same family.
Thanks for any help.
Tricia
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Sancti may have a photograph to match this inscription -
"James More died 1st May 1801 aged (.)7 years. Margaret Hamilton his spouse died .............. (eroded) Also this is the burying place of his son James".
Not much to go on I'm afraid and none of the other names match with any of the inscriptions I have.
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Sancti may have a photograph to match this inscription -
"James More died 1st May 1801 aged (.)7 years. Margaret Hamilton his spouse died .............. (eroded) Also this is the burying place of his son James".
Not much to go on I'm afraid and none of the other names match with any of the inscriptions I have.
Thanks so much for that. Perfect. If anyone else has MOREs (or soundex) Lanarkshire I wold be happy to hear. I am doing YDNA for MORE family Scotland
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Hi,
I'm looking to find if there is a grave/inscription at Hamilton Old Parish graveyard for my ancestors John Frame and his wife Janet Smellie (married 1797).
Thanks, J
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Hi,
I'm looking to find if there is a grave/inscription at Hamilton Old Parish graveyard for my ancestors John Frame and his wife Janet Smellie (married 1797).
Thanks, J
Hi .
I am still looking for my MORE but notice that I have an Agnes More m John Frame in Hamilton.
He was a born about 1805/6 in Hamilton.
Address in 1881 for John and Agnes : 28 Union St
Occupation:Weaver Hand Loom
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Hi Tricia, the parish churchyard of Hamilton was closed for any further burials by order of the town council on 30th November 1861. So, if your ancestors died after that date they will not be there.
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Hi Tricia, the parish churchyard of Hamilton was closed for any further burials by order of the town council on 30th November 1861. So, if your ancestors died after that date they will not be there.
thanks Lodger.
I note you have Ross of Mull family. Any McDougall, McPhail, Cameron
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Hi Tricia, I only have McKechnie/McEachern in the Ross of Mull.
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I believe my Grandfather Andrew Craig Hamilton & his mother are buried in the same grave in Hamilton Old Church.There is also the possibility that other Members of his family are buried there.
I wonder if you have photo photos of their graves among your Hamilton ones. Do you have a list?
Going Spare1
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Hello Going Spare 1, welcome to Rootschat,
Can you supply dates of death for any of your grandfather's family?
Hamilton parish churchyard was closed for interments in November 1861.
Lodger.
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Gt Grandmother was 1892, Grandfather was 1903, however it was an existing family grave so I understand they were still allowed to be buried in it as it didn't involve a new Grave.
I visited Scotland on 1968 & went looking for the grave, I found it, but, being young & silly & not all that interested in family history then I did not take a photo or make notes of who besides my Grandfather was buried there. I still kick myself!
Going spare 1
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The churchyard was closed for burials on 30th November 1861. That meant no more burials. The records of the time say that there were so many bodies buried just below the surface that the smell was awful.
I have checked the book of Monumental Inscriptions and, as far as I can see, the last interment took place in January 1862. This was for the wife of a local lawyer in the town and there may have been some strings pulled, or, it may be that the decree by the town council didn't come into force until after this January 1862 burial.
There are absolutely no inscriptions as late as the 1890s/1900s.
It would really help in future if you could supply full names, maiden surnames for married woman and exact dates of deaths. You mention a great-grandmother but no names or a date of death.
We all try to help in this Forum but we do need something to go on. The surname Hamilton is mentioned on 46 of the stones in the old churchyard.
Your family may be in the Bent cemetery or the West cemetery. Perhaps even in the old Relief Church burial ground behind the Town Hall, that may still have been there in 1968, I'm unsure.
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My Grandfather was Andrew Craig Hamilton B.19 Dec 1853 Motherwell, Hamilton- died 3 Sept 1923 Govan Glasgow.
His Mother was Mary Hamilton M.S. Craig B. 2 Feb 1828 Kirkintilloch D 27 Feb 1892 Brandon St. Motherwell, Hamilton.
His father David Hamilton B. 10 Aug 1832 Douglas Mill Toll House, Douglas . D.24 Jan 1874 Brandon St Motherwell Hamilton.
Going spare1
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Hi Going Spare
There are no burials recorded in Bent Cemetery, Hamilton (1853-1949), for your Andrew Craig Hamilton, Mary Hamilton (née Craig) or David Hamilton.
However, intimations of the deaths of David and Mary Hamilton were published in the Glasgow Herald but no place of interment was cited.
Suddenly, at Brandon Hotel, Motherwell, on the 24th inst., DAVID HAMILTON, aged 50 years. -- Friends omitted will kindly accept of this intimation. -- Glasgow Herald, 27 January 1894
HAMILTON -- Suddenly, on Saturday morning, at 8 Brandon Street, Motherwell, Mary Craig, widow of the late D. Hamilton, late of the Brandon Hotel. -- All friends omitted, kindly accept this intimation. -- Glasgow Herald, 29 February 1892
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi Rodeo
Thanks for that.
It is definitely my Great Grandmother's death notice.
But I'm not sure who the David is. Not early enough to be my Great grandfather who definitely died in 1874 as I have a copy of the Death certificate & also too early to be his son David who died in 1905 at age 42: I have his death certificate also.
Could be a son of one of my Grandfather's other brothers . Definitely the right place as the family owned the Brandon St. Hotel.
I'll try to track down a death certificate for him.
Still looking for the grave tho". At least I can rule out Bent.
Cheers Going Spare 1
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Hi Going Spare
It IS the intimation of the death of your great grandfather, David Hamilton. The date published in the Glasgow Herald was 27 January 1874. So sorry for the typo. My fault.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Ah! well that explains it. Thank you.
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This is much better information. I still doubt very much that your ancestors are buried in Hamilton parish churchyard.
You make your entries "Motherwell Hamilton" and this is confusing.
Motherwell was a "police burgh" from 1861 onwards. A part of the village/town of Motherwell lay, until the boundary changes on 3rd May 1895, in the parish of Hamilton. This was that part of Hamilton parish north of the river Clyde up to what is known as Motherwell Cross. This would have included all of one side of Brandon Street, Part of Muir Street, Watsonville miners rows etc.
The postal address of anyone living in the burgh of Motherwell would not have included the word "Hamilton" (referring to the town or parish of that name). So, it's best to forget about Hamilton for the moment.
People who lived in the village (later the town) of Motherwell, unless they were Dissenters, all worshiped in the parish church of Dalziel. They were also buried in the parish churchyard(s) of Dalziel. After 1895 all of the burgh of Motherwell was within Dalziel parish. So, perhaps your grandfather was in a family plot in one of the old Dalziel burial grounds (there are 2 of them) but, having checked the Monumental Inscriptions lists, his name isn't there. Do you have any other family members names? His father & grandparents?
The parish council of Dalziel opened a new cemetery (now called the Globe Cemetery) but that didn't happen until 1876, so he can't be there! And, our other cemetery at Airbles didn't open until about 1905.
Now for the Brandon Hotel! I have to admit, that was a new one for me. I have checked through the old directories and did find some mention of it. My guess is that it was a bar with a couple of rooms above. It was around the Cross area somewhere but I can't pinpoint it exactly as yet.
It may have changed names over the years and it could be that it is now the "Horse Shoe Bar", a well-known public house (Lud will know it and I think Sancti has been thrown out of it a few times ;D)
The 1911 Directory has an advert for the Royal Hotel as "Motherwell's Only Hotel". This was what we knew as "Duffy's" and was in the middle of Brandon Street and was never known as the Brandon Hotel.
(It was the Royal Hotel as the Emperor & Empress of the French had spent the night there because the bridge between Motherwell & Hamilton was flooded. They were on their way to visit the Duke of Hamilton at his palace).
Here's what I found in the old directories -
In the 1875 "Motherwell Almanack" it lists Mrs D. Hamilton, Brandon Hotel, Cross.
(There is also a James Hamilton, baker, the Cross, any relation?)
In the 1894 and the 1899 - 1900 Motherwell directory it lists, under "Spirit -Dealers"
David Hamilton, 11 Muir Street. See the wonderful full-page advert in the 1894 book below.
(The 1894 book has James Hamilton, baker, 7 Brandon Street).
I still have one more book to check, if I find anything I'll get back to you. We are still no nearer to finding the burial places! If your grandfather was born here in Motherwell there must be a family burial plot around somewhere. His ancestors names may help.
For some reason I am not allowed to upload the pictures of the directories, something about having the same file names! I will post this and try to send them afterwards.
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I'll try the uploads now.
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next one, this is from the 1875 "Almanack"
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1899 - 1900 directory
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1903 list of public houses
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Thanks for all that.
I don't seem to be able to print the uploads however.
The Mrs D. Hamilton, Brandon Hotel cross would most likely be my Gt grandmother.
None of the family that I know of were bakers, but there seem to have been lots of Hamiltons in Motherwell.
David Hamilton's father was Andrew Hamilton abt 1772 & died abt 1849.
His mother was Mary Paterson B. 3 May 1782 in Eastwood D. 13 Oct 1868 in Millside ? Bothwell
My mother wrote" my father buried in Hamilton (scored out at a later date when she had developed Alzheimers & Bothwell inserted) Parish Church, Same grave as his mother. My Brother Douglas given deeds to burial plot as eldest son. My brother Leslie had a new gravestone erected when he went to Lanarkshire to work"
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All I can add is this very nice story from "Motherwell 60 Years ago and Now", written by a member of the King family back in 1910. So he is writing about his childhood in the village from the 1840s onwards. The Kings were well known and one of them, who had a builders business, built the first two-story building in the village, the Motherwell Inn. This was also at the Cross.
If you can figure out when exactly the David Hamilton in this story was married I can pencil it into the margin of the book. The story is on the right-hand side of the scan, so you'll have to scroll over.
I should add, for all those who know Motherwell, he is describing the Cross at Muir Street. "Clyde Street" is now Hamilton Road.
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Andrew Hamilton and Mary Paterson are in Bothwell Churchyard
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Well done Sancti.
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It may have changed names over the years and it could be that it is now the "Horse Shoe Bar", a well-known public house (Lud will know it and I think Sancti has been thrown out of it a few times ;D)
Your information is correct Lodger but I didn't go easily ;)
I should add that my wife has thrown me back in numerous times ;D
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Your information is correct Lodger but I didn't go easily ;)
I should add that my wife has thrown me back in numerous times ;D
I was thrown out a couple of weeks ago too, accused of being drunk and refusing to fight. :o
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I Believe David Hamilton & Mary Craig were married 11 August 1850
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Hi Sancti
Thank you for that information.
I had no idea where my Gt.Gt. Grandparents were buried.
Bothwell Churchyard is now on my Radar.
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hi Lodger
I am not long back from a month in Britain & visited my Great, Great Grandfather Andrew Hamilton & family's grave in Bothwell churchyard. He & his wife had 10 children, 8 of which are buried with them & appear to have never married. Of the two who did married, the daughter appears to have had no children.Only my Great grandfather David had a family; luckily for me!
I also now have a copy of the booklet mentioning my Great grandfather David.
Still no further forward finding his grave or that of my Grandfather Andrew Craig.
As everybody said he is not in Hamilton Old Church & Priestfield, Stonehouse & West cemetaries all appear far too modern.
cheers
Going spare 1
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Wondering if there is any grave in Hamilton Old Churchyard for Alexander Edgar of Auchingramont?
Grateful for any help.
Alexander Edgar died in 1777 and the information in another source says "..was buried in Hamilton Churchyard.." which I assume means the old parish churchyard.
The Edgar's were latterly connected to Thomas Hutton (the writer) who died around 1777 as well and married a 'Prisicilla Edgar' daughter of the above Alexander.
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Lodger:
"If you can figure out when exactly the David Hamilton in this story was married I can pencil it into the margin of the book. The story is on the right-hand side of the scan, so you'll have to scroll over."
Appeared in Motherwell Times 5 Mar 1892
Deaths:
On Saturday morning at 8 Brandon Street, Mary Craig, widow of David Hamilton, late of Brandon Hotel.
Working back through censuses at Brandon Hotel
David Hamilton Married Mary Craig 11 Aug 1850 Hamilton
Further news info shows that Mary Craig's father was James Craig the owner of The Crown Bar in Muir Street and it also states that his daughter became Mrs David Hamilton of Brandon Hotel
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Hi RobStewart, welcome to Rootschat.
No Edgars or Huttons on any of the stones in the parish churchyard, sorry.
The Relief Congregation Church in Lower Auchengramont Road was founded in 1775. It may have had burials from that time but no records exist from then. I have a list of plot owners for that burial ground (now the town hall carpark) but it dates from the 1830s. I checked that plus the baptism register (1775 - 1800) and the list of subscribers to the building of the 1775 church but no Edgars or Huttons.
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Hi anne_p,
Thanks for that information. Spookily, I had just been having a conversation a couple of days ago with some old school friends, lamenting the fact that 50 years ago here in Motherwell, there were about 9 bakehouses. Now there is 1.
At Motherwell Cross, next to the Crown Bar in Muir St, there was a lovely bakers shop (Fraser's) with a large "tearoom" upstairs, it was quite a high-class place and it struck me as I was speaking about it that this must have previously been the Brandon Hotel from this thread.
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High class place!
In Motherwell?
Never ;D
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Thanks for your quick reply Lodger. Much appreciated
Given the date of the death it was a long shot. Found the burial place of the next Alexander Edgar of Auchingramont in St Cuthberts Edinburgh but no luck with his mother/ father yet: probably either Hamilton, Edinburgh or his Jamaican plantations. What a choice!
Priscilla Edgar (first husband Thomas Hutton) funnily enough did marry the Relief minister the Rev James Stewart of Anderston.
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High class place!
In Motherwell
Never ;D
Sancti, I'll hiv you ken that we're aw awffy pan-loaf in Murrerwell.
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RobStewart,
James Stewart baptised at least 4 of the children from the Hamilton Relief Congregation.
On 2nd May 1782 Mr Steuart, minister in Anderson baptised Cristianah Windfield.
In 1785 (no date given) Mr J. Stewart baptised Janet Duncan.
On 25th March 1787 Mr James Stewart baptised Margaret Cowper.
On 4th January 1789 Mr James Stewart baptised Arthur Frame.
Pity about the burials, a headstone may have given ages or even dates of birth. Have you found a will for Alexander Edgar?
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I'll look for a will on SP Lodger. If its just an inventory though! Was looking for info on Priscilla Edgar - possibly may have been buried with her parents. A long shot but the Anderston Church graves were moved for the Kingston bridge - no records made.
Thanks for the RevJS material. PE was likely dead by 1789 after 2/3 more children because the RevJS remarried in 1790. His baptisms may indicate a timeline of contact with Hamilton that may have largely stopped after she died. Easy to speculate though...:)
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Hi RobStewart,
I've come across your Proscilla Edgar when researching my Huttons, (her first husband's father, also Thomas Hutton, is my 6 x great grandfather).
Anyway I looked in the Lanarkshire Family History Society's 'Hamilton 647 Death Records A-L' for Edgar burials/deaths. The Edgar deaths listed are all un-named children of Thomas Edgar, writer between 1696-1713.
Lanarkshire Index to Particular Registers of Sasines vol 2 1721-1780 has the following Edgar information:
1) Edgar, of Nether Auchingraymont, Alexander, formerly of Netgherhouse and in Jamaica, his spouse Edgar, Margaret.
2) Edgar, Alexander, son of Alexander E. of Nether Auchingraymont
3) Edgar, Handyside, son of Alexander E. of Nether Auchingraymont
4) Edgar, James, son of Alexander E. of Nether Auchingraymont
5) Edgar, Margaret, spouse of Alexander E. of Nether Auchingraymont
6) Edgar, Marion, spouse of William Pollock, shoemaker, Hamilton
7) Edgar, Priscilla, daughter of Alexander E. of Nether Auchingraymont, relict of Thomas Hutton, wright, Hamilton, and spouse of James Stewart, minister at Anderston.
Have you got the baptism records for Priscilla and Thomas Hutton's sons? If not I can give.
Hope this is of some use to you, Marlene :)
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Hi Anne
David Hamilton & Mary Craig of The Brandon Street Hotel were my great grandparents. Their marriage was Proclaimed on 11th August (which I take to mean the banns were called)in the parish of Hamilton. As they weren't called again I assume they were married the same day.
I had Mary's father's name, James, but did not know he was the owner of the Crown Bar in Muir st, can I ask where you got the information?
I have James Craig married to Elizabeth Gray, this information is on Mary Hamilton m/S Craig's death certificate.
Going Spare1
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Hi Going Spare 1,
Welcome to Rootschat. If you go to page 11 of this post you will see the proof. It was the Brandon Hotel, not the Crown.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger
David Hamilton & Mary Craig were the Brandon St Hotel.
According to Anne, Mary Craigs father James Craig was the Crown.
I haven't heard back from her where her information came from.
cheers
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Thanks Monamg for the info and yes I would really like a copy of the baptisms for the Hutton kids. Thank you, much appreciated. Seen a tree on Ancestry with one of these kids in it I think. I'm sure one of them became a lawyer like his father.
I know what the Sasines can show but never used them before directly. Perhaps I should for the RevJS. I come down his and Priscilla Edgar's line: so we are connected. He features in some local Glasgow folklore but the lack of his church records was frustrating.
The Edgars were Edinburgh lawyers/doctors from the Borders and I've seen a reference to Thomas Hutton snr operating for Dundas in Edinburgh. Thomas Hutton snr also had two daughters: only know that the 2nd was called Marion who married a local shoemaker and Baillie, Quentin Hamilton. There is a reference on the net to some legal action involving a tenant in 1761. Thought the Hutton family may have tied back to the Eastern borders like the Edgars.
The first AEdgar made money as a lawyer/factor in Jamaica and bought Auchingreymont. His son then bought other plantations but after falls in sugar prices and the end of slavery the business slowed. Sold Auchingreymont by 1855 at the end of the male line and destroyed all the family letters/ correspondence. Edinburgh lawyers indeed!!
I clearly come out on the much poorer churchmouse side of that family:)
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Hi Lodger
Looked at P.11 only thing I could see was the extract from the booklet on Motherwell & it says" when David Hamilton of the Brandon St. Hotel was married"
Also other documents, census, children' birth notices, the death notices for David Hamilton & Mary Craig that I have, all say Brandon st.
Going spare1
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It doesn't say "Brandon St Hotel", it says Brandon Hotel and it was in Muir Street. It would have been a public house with a function room upstairs. It may have had about 2 bedrooms to let but it would have made its money from bar trade and weddings etc.
The family may also have lived on the premises. What we have to remember is, the old tenement building that stands on that spot now, would not have been there in 1875 when the Brandon hotel is first mentioned in the town directory (almanac). So, it seems to have carried on trading after the present tenement building was erected, probably around the turn of the century and most likely changed character in the process. It may have been enlarged or, just as easily, have been reduced in size. Perhaps the "rooms" were taken out, who knows.
My guess is, sometime in the early 20th century the bar area was incorporated into the Crown Bar next door (that was a big pub according to Sancti - I was too young to remember it!) and the upstairs function room taken over by Fraser's bakery. There was a bakery at No.11 Muir St, which may well be the one.
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RobStewart - very interesting! Excellent to get a new angle on this family too.
I've just been rereading my research documents regarding this family, there was more there than I thought ::). I don't want to hijack Lodger's thread, so I will PM you.
M :)
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hi Lodger
My Bad! I went back & looked & it does say Brandon Hotel, I imagine I just assumed Brandon Hotel would be in Brandon St.
So do you know if James Craig, Mary Craig's father was owner of the Cross Hotel in Muir St.?
Going spare1
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Going Spare 1,
Found an article in the Motherwell Times dated 30 Jul 1954..
Headed: BEGINNING OF GAS INDUSTRY IN MOTHERWELL
Survey of Service Over Past Hundred Years.
It starts about a meeting held ovr 150 yrs ago, on 7 Oct 1849 listing all 10 members of the community who were in attendance and voted unanimously to introduce coal gas to Motherwell.
The article then goes on to list sketches on all 10 men.
" Mr Craig held office as Chairman from 1856 until 1864"
Later in the same paragraph:
Mr Craig was owner of The Crown Bar in Muir Street and his daughter became Mrs David Hamilton of the Brandon Hotel"
If you wish to PM me with an email address, I will forward the article to you.
Also the 1898 marriage announcement of William Hamilton, yougest son of the late David Hamilton, Brandon Hotel to Margaret Thomson.
Also: 23 Jul 1892
FOR SALE.
Lists various properties owned by the trustees of late James Craig, including the Licensed premises at Muir Street
17 Dec 1892.
Shanks V Hamilton
Andrew Craig Hamilton sued by his father in law.
( I presume you know about this irregular marriage?)
EDIT:
On refelction, there must be missing newspaper articles about this case.
1886: Joanna Shanks raised a Breach Of Promise action agaist Andrew Craig Hamilton.
( News articles are missing for time period)
May 1887
Andrew raises action about the amount of aliment awarded to Joanna Shanks in 1886 for herself and her illegitimate child
Andrew states that he was unaware of these actions and did not appear in court at that time because he was living in Canada.
He states he did not promise to marry her and that he was not the father of her child.
This case goes back to Court on 4 Jun 1887
Therefore, it's odd that Joanna's father claimed that she and Andrew C Hamilton entered into an irregular marriage on 7 Jun 1887 ??
The child born to Joanna may be called Annie born 1878.
Joanna is living with her sister Helen Watson at 1881 and is the same address that Andrew provided for her.
The child is entered as Annie F Gregor age 3. Niece to head of household but, she is described as "Minister's Daughter"
Andrew Craig Hamilton was a Bachelor Of Divinity at the time of her birth
Her father raised his case against Andrew in Dec 1892, claiming that he had to maintain his own daughter for the last 7 years as Andrew had failed to pay any aliment.
Conveniently, Joanna married a widower in Aug 1893
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Motherwell was formed into a Police Burgh in 1865, it had a population of 4261. (Including Windmillhill & Knowetop). Not many were allowed to vote. Among those who were allowed that privilege in 1865 were "Thomas Craig, Crown Inn" and "David Hamilton, Inn-keeper".
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Hi Anne
Wow! no I didn't know about all this, neither does anyone else in the family,
Didn't know my Grandfather had ever been to Canada (maybe he was just saying that as an Excuse?)
He was a Doctor of Divinity & interestingly was living with my Grandmother before 1889 when their first child was born. They got around to marrying in 1907 after the birth of their third child.
I would love to PM you, if I knew what it was, how do I do this?
Going spare1
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Going spare 1
PM = Personal Message
Find one of my message, click on my name and chose the option to send PM.
On this, can you provide me with your email address so that I can forward all the news clippings.
that I found.
Andrew Craig Hamilton was almost definitely telling the truth about Canada.
He had been in New Brunswick
Anne
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sancti please email me at klondiker@telus.net I know that we are related I live in Canada
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sancti, please comtact me at klondiker@telus.net We are related! I'm in Canada
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Hello I am interested in the Kyle and Paterson graves.
Thanks so much.
rgkyle@shaw.ca
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Hi, I appreciate this is a really old post, but if by any chance you are still doing look ups on Hamilton Old Churchyard I'd appreciate a look up. I'm looking for the burials of my 5xg.grandparents - John MORE and his wife Elizabeth (Bethea) PURDIE - I think they probably died 1841-1878, but I've been unable to find their death records.
Many thanks ... Ann