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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: Diane Heddon on Saturday 29 January 11 09:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi, please , if you know anything more about this family could you reply please? Catherine 1841 census Llanelly , dwelling 2, Cawidors Row, Llanelly Carms; source fhl film 1342295 pro ref rg11 piece 5373 folio 99 page 14
Jane Jenkins marr; 31 yrs old, Rumney Monmouthshire ;eng/wales... Rebecca ditto 9 yrs, ..ditto.. Mary E, 7 yrs. David J 5 yrs. Catherine A. 2 yrs. Edward 1 year old... My Jenkins's line seemingly fluctuated between Swansea Llangyfelach [Landore Inn] Llanelly, and Monmouthshire.. please reply if you can help at all toward filling the gap between my Hannah Jenkins born 1810, who borned all her children in the Landore Inn exepting for one child who emmigrated to Australia.Hannah's husband was George Truscott. Hannah's father lived in Trealey Farm monmouthshire. Here's hoping someone has links to my family or can help at all. great thanks from Diane.
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The reference you give is for the 1881 census where Jane is not with her husband although she is down as a puddler's wife.
1891 RG12/4496/141/23
Benjamin Jenkins 38 copper worker
Jane wife 38
Rebecca 18
Mary Elizabeth 17
David John 15
Catherine Ann 12
Edward 11
All born Rhymney
Hannah 8
THomas 6
both born Llanelly
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The reference you give is for the 1881 census where Jane is not with her husband although she is down as a puddler's wife.
1891 RG12/4496/141/23
Benjamin Jenkins 38 copper worker
Jane wife 38
Rebecca 18
Mary Elizabeth 17
David John 15
Catherine Ann 12
Edward 11
All born Rhymney
Hannah 8
THomas 6
both born Llanelly
WOW! did not expect an answer so quickly.. as I am in OZ.. gotta find out who sent me this... x
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The reference you give is for the 1881 census where Jane is not with her husband although she is down as a puddler's wife.
1891 RG12/4496/141/23
Benjamin Jenkins 38 copper worker
Jane wife 38
Rebecca 18
Mary Elizabeth 17
David John 15
Catherine Ann 12
Edward 11
All born Rhymney
Hannah 8
THomas 6
both born Llanelly
WOW! did not expect an answer so quickly.. as I am in OZ.. gotta find out who sent me this... x
THANK YOU CRISANE... WILL STUDY THIS UP BEST OF ALL GREAT WISHES TOU. XXXXX from a very exitable person right now...
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Is this your Hannah and George Truscott in 1841?
HO107/1419/5/2 book 1
Llangafelach Glamorgan
Landor
George Truscott 35 Publican born in county NO
Hannah 30 yes
George 4 Yes
Amelia 5 Yes
James 2 Yes
John 9 months Yes
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YES! Crisane these ARE them.. from estatic one in the land down under love to Wales and UK and the world too 2 everyone with a good heart :)
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I am in Oz too.
I am trying to find a marriage for Jane and Benjamin but there are two most likely ones. The only way to know for sure is to buy one of the children's birth certificates but again there is too much choice. If ordering through the GRO you can state the parents names which will help in getting the correct cert.
Do you want other census records?
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1851 HO107/2465/282/20
Llangafelach Swansea Glamorgan
George Truscott 44 quarry man born St Stephen Cornwall
Hannah 33 Llangafelach
Amelia Jenkins Truscott 16
George Jenkins Truscott 14
James Frederic Jenkins Truscott 12
John Jenkins Truscott 10
Catherine Jenkins Truscott 8
Hannah Jenkins Truscott 6
Charles Jenkins Truscott 2
Hannah and all children born Llangafelach
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Here is the birth registration of James Frederick
Births Dec 1838 Swansea vol 26 page 410
James Frederick Jenkins Truscott
This would give you Hannah's father's name and occupation.
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Many many thanks to you crisane. :D
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GEE wow wow again !! which census's are you meanig there Crisane? I know Hannah's father was Wlter Jenkins of Trealey farm and his son's past down the line of 3 Walters.. will hava look again.. where are you connected? through Jane? will try look up a few things noe then please stay around tonight/ luv Di.
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There is a public tree on ancestry which has the Truscott family and Hannah in it. It has the marrriage of Hannah and George on 7 Feb 1832 Llangyfelach Glamorgan
IGI batch 7218520
sheet 99 Film 0820441
Unfortunately it doesn't give any parents for Hannah as it seems to be concentrating on the Truscott family. It does say their their eldest daughter Ann was with the Jenkins family in 1841
James and Ann Jenkins age 71, Thomas Jenkins 51, May and John 17, David 20
Is this Hannah's parents?
I will take another look in the morning unless someone else does it. :)
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GEE wow wow again !! which census's are you meanig there Crisane? I know Hannah's father was Wlter Jenkins of Trealey farm and his son's past down the line of 3 Walters.. will hava look again.. where are you connected? through Jane? will try look up a few things noe then please stay around tonight/ luv Di.
Ok so you know Hannah's father and we are just trying to get Hannah born 1806 connected to Richard Jenkins born 1853?
I am not connected in anyway to this family. I just saw your post and thought I would take a look.
However there appears to be a couple of people on ancestry.com who have these people in their tree and have followed Hannah and George's children through the censuses and their marriages etc. If you would like me to contact them for you send me a pm.
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Walter Jenkins 1727 married Susannah Kennet 1725- 1806
Their son Walter 1767 - 15 feb 1838 married Elizabeth Allen 12 Feb 1796 she was age 29
Their children
James Jenkins1797 – 1854
Elizabeth Jenkins 1798 – 1819
Walter Jenkins 1800 – 1854
Robert Jenkins 1801 – 1820
Maria Jenkins 1803 –
Mary Jenkins 1805 –
John Jenkins 1806 – 1806
Susannah Jenkins 1808 – 1876
Hannah Jenkins 1812 –
Love Jenkins 1814 – 1874
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Gee criscane i nearly by passed this message i get a litle confused on these sites;; yeh, i realize there are many Truscott families who are mainly going into their side of the Truscott tree,,, have been in contact with a few 1 being a lady living in s, Africa.. and a couple of others[ i helped them into my Jenkins side of things last year... I feel sorry that you are not of my line.. but I can look up the mary/benjamin thing 2 morrow as i may have something on them in my written files... luv Di. x
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Hi again criscane.. there were 2 Jenkins's in Cwncarvon.... that married into each family...one was a middle name throughout as in[ WOOD JENKINS] Yes you have all my correct names there Hannahs siblings.. Hannah was my great ,great great great grandmother, the daughter of Walter Jenkins, The older Walter married Susahnah Kennet I go back even further to the other 2 sides of their famniles too but is a lot to post in tonight.. luv Di...
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Hi Di
so what it boils down to is that you have the info on your line followed through the Walters and now you want to take Benjamin back through the censuses to find his parents and further back to see if he is yours?
You are also trying to connect with others who belong to this line?
Got to leave it till tomorrow.
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Hi crisane, Yes that would be right . I will add some old history notes here for all to see, with the hopes that they could be helpfull to others.A Gent named John Lewis=his mother is Hannah Sophia daughter of George Truscott Jones,son of Hannah Sophia Truscott daughter of George Truscott and 'Hannah Jenkinswho [she] was born in Llangyfelach ab;1810 she died DTHS 99%Truscott Hannah 56 SWANSEA11a 357 George Truscott died 1870 age 64.[there was a mis spelling of the name from Truscott to' Trupert' in the 1861 census;approx date only of Hannah was 1810/11/or 1812[very confusing here] although the daughters name was also Hannah,their children while Hannah was 33 yrs old, were Amelia 5 yrs, James2, John 9 months.[71 George sub reg,district Llandilo ed ins,or vessel 1d household schedule no 71]George Truscott44 Hannah
jenkins Truscott 33.
Catherine Jenkins Truscott 8 Hannah Jenkins Truscott 6 Amelia Jenkins Truscott 16, George 14, John10, Charles 2. Edmund Clemo Jenkins[ Trupert]2, Charles 13, George Trupert 54, Hannah Trupert 49 John Jenkins Trupert 20, Hannah Sophias Jenkins Trupert 16 Mary Jenkins Trupert 8 dths; Hannah, 56 SWANSEA 11 a 357 George Truscot[mistake name Trupert] died 1870 age 64;
There is a small piece of history notes that was from the diaries of [Powel] name who mentioned [Walter Jenkins] tennant farm in USK; way back to the 1600's. Elizabeth Allen born 1765 married one of theWalters] she was suposed to have been Hannah's mother but still hard to confirm that as yet! Elizabeth lived in Trealey farm, Monmouthshire, I have all her childrens names inc; Hannah born in Llangyfelach. Hopefully I will get some response here to add to my links... best wishes to you, from Diane.
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Hi Diana
I am a new member to this site and have just seen your post. Benjamin and Jane Jenkins were my great-grandparents, and Catherine Ann my grandmother. I do not think that Hannah is the person you are searching for as she married Idris John and lived the rest of her life in Ystrad, Rhondda.
I hope this helps if only for elimination purposes.
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Hi Diana
I am a new member to this site and have just seen your post. Benjamin and Jane Jenkins were my great-grandparents, and Catherine Ann my grandmother. I do not think that Hannah is the person you are searching for as she married Idris John and lived the rest of her life in Ystrad, Rhondda.
I hope this helps if only for elimination purposes.
Hi Cath, many thanks for your info. Did you know that a person name [Tony Jenkins] ..well his Jenkins line ..one of them married into my Jenkins line... Please find his write up's under Jenkins in Forest of Dean board or Jenkins'es board here... It is quite informative. thank you muchly, regards Di.
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Am new to this...does anyone have any information on Susannah Jenkins? My great grandfather George harris came to Australia around 1875 from Monmouth Wales and his parents are stated as Martin Harris and S ???usannah Jenkins from Monmouth. Thank you
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Am new to this...does anyone have any information on Susannah Jenkins? My great grandfather George harris came to Australia around 1875 from Monmouth Wales and his parents are stated as Martin Harris and S ???usannah Jenkins from Monmouth. Thank you
Hiya, well i have a Edmund Jenkins from LLangefaelach Swansea Wales uk. He came to Australia [will have to look up the date] He was a son of Hannah Jenkins] Hannah married George Truscott] Hannah owned the Landore Inn. Edmund was her last born child..she died when she was 56 years old. Her father was Walter Jenins. who ran the Trealey Farm imn Monmouthshire he married Elizabeth A;llen, she was born in 1765. Please call back here.. will return later on line should this be of any help to you...ps there is a Susannah amongst this line and the other line of Jenkins. who married into the Jenkins fam;of Monmouthshire.
Hannah had 8/10 children i have their names for you if you would like to see them? Best wishes, from Diane in Tassie.
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Thank you for getting back to me on this Diane.
As you are no doubt aware this business is very frustrating but a little addictive at the same time!
The only information I have is that my great grandfather was born in Monmouth Wales and died in Paddington Sydney, in 1926. He married in Morpeth NSW in 1878. His parents were Martin Harris and Susannah Jenkin and it is stated on his death certificate that his father Martin was an Innkeeper.
That's about all the info I have. If you have anything that maybe correlates with this I would be most grateful.
Thanks again,
Therese
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Hi Cath,
Just seen your reply on Dianewan's Jenkins
I am a descendant of Catherine Ann Jenkins who married Joseph Jones in Llanelli.
I believe she is the sister of your Hannah.
PM me if so we can help each other.
kind regards
Trevor
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This information came from my mother (now deceased) around 2000. It relates to my great grandfather's wife, Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. Not sure it is helpful but worth putting into the pot.
About 1846 a McCarthy eloped from somewhere south of Cork in Ireland to start a new life in Newcastle. It was a daughter from this family, Ellen McCarthy, who lived from 1860 – 1937 who was to be my mother's grandmother.
Ellen married John Johnson, a butcher from the South Shields area in the north east of England. They lived in South Shields and her daughter Eveline Johnson was borne there in 1888. Eveline was Eira’s mother; she died on 6th October 1968.
Eveline was to marry Esau Arthur Williams in 1911 and have three children;
1. Eira,
2. Yvonne, her younger sister by just 1½ yrs, and
3. Illtyd Morley, the youngest of the family by another 2 years.
Arthur Williams was borne in Landor, outside Swansea. He was Managing Director of the Clayton Tinplate Works in Pontardulais as was his father, John Williams before him. John was not wealthy, but he was clever and he married Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. He used this money to buy shares in the tinplate works thus gaining the MD position, turning it into a family business with 300 employees, and later into a steel strip mill.
Arthur died in November 1950; He lived at Plas Gwyn in Pontardulais from his marriage to Eveline (my granny) in 1911 (when the house was built) until his death.
More available ... but not in relation to the Jenkins connection.
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This information came from my mother (now deceased) around 2000. It relates to my great grandfather's wife, Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. Not sure it is helpful but worth putting into the pot.
About 1846 a McCarthy eloped from somewhere south of Cork in Ireland to start a new life in Newcastle. It was a daughter from this family, Ellen McCarthy, who lived from 1860 – 1937 who was to be my mother's grandmother.
Ellen married John Johnson, a butcher from the South Shields area in the north east of England. They lived in South Shields and her daughter Eveline Johnson was borne there in 1888. Eveline was Eira’s mother; she died on 6th October 1968.
Eveline was to marry Esau Arthur Williams in 1911 and have three children;
1. Eira,
2. Yvonne, her younger sister by just 1½ yrs, and
3. Illtyd Morley, the youngest of the family by another 2 years.
Arthur Williams was borne in Landor, outside Swansea. He was Managing Director of the Clayton Tinplate Works in Pontardulais as was his father, John Williams before him. John was not wealthy, but he was clever and he married Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. He used this money to buy shares in the tinplate works thus gaining the MD position, turning it into a family business with 300 employees, and later into a steel strip mill.
Arthur died in November 1950; He lived at Plas Gwyn in Pontardulais from his marriage to Eveline (my granny) in 1911 (when the house was built) until his death.
More available ... but not in relation to the Jenkins connection.
TU so much for this exelent and wonderfull suprise for me[u hava made my day!!] after a few long years of wondering and researching no end...this Annie Jenkins was my 4th gr;grandmother...i am thrilled to bits! i will get back properly on this note sap. luv Diane...in oz. born in Swansea 1944.
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Hi Cath,
Just seen your reply on Dianewan's Jenkins
I am a descendant of Catherine Ann Jenkins who married Joseph Jones in Llanelli.
I believe she is the sister of your Hannah.
PM me if so we can help each other.
kind regards
Trevor
Hiya again Trevor, i am beside myself hearing all these posts today..so u are my relie i guess...grreat news..my comp; has been in the mending house for 3 weeks sonice top be back online..regards Di...much to chate about when i return home from shopping....
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Thank you for getting back to me on this Diane.
As you are no doubt aware this business is very frustrating but a little addictive at the same time!
The only information I have is that my great grandfather was born in Monmouth Wales and died in Paddington Sydney, in 1926. He married in Morpeth NSW in 1878. His parents were Martin Harris and Susannah Jenkin and it is stated on his death certificate that his father Martin was an Innkeeper.
That's about all the info I have. If you have anything that maybe correlates with this I would be most grateful.
Thanks again,
Therese
G'day Theresa, hopefully i may be able to help you with what info i have...speak soon, regards 'Di in oz'smiles....
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Hello wychlings :)
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I wonder whether Annie Jenkins was related to Edward Jenkins who founded the Clayton Tinplate Works in 1883, after he had purchased the Ffoesyrefail Works (and renamed it Clayton). In 1885, John Williams moved from Abertillery to manage the works.
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Morgan,
The information I posted about Annie and John Williams was gleaned from my mother, Eira Kerr (nee Williams), in an in depth conversation around 2000 and I believe her memory would have been fairly accurate at that time. However, memories play tricks and did I record it correctly at the time? I think so because I took, what the lawyers call "contemporaneous notes"! From what you say about Edward Jenkins, founding the Clayton Tinplate Works in 1883 after he had purchased the Ffoesyrefail Works (and renamed it Clayton) and in 1885 and John Williams moving from Abertillery to manage the works, it could be that the Williams line obtained the interest in the business through both marriage and employment. Incidentally, my middle name is Arthur after my grandfather but my brother's is "Clayton" after the works we believe.
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Good to see family names continued down the generations :)
Notebooks belonging to John Williams are at Swansea Record Office:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=47150
On 1901 census, John is listed as Manager Tinplate Works, whereas Edward Jenkins was listed as Tinplate Manufacturer.
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This information came from my mother (now deceased) around 2000. It relates to my great grandfather's wife, Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. Not sure it is helpful but worth putting into the pot.
About 1846 a McCarthy eloped from somewhere south of Cork in Ireland to start a new life in Newcastle. It was a daughter from this family, Ellen McCarthy, who lived from 1860 – 1937 who was to be my mother's grandmother.
Ellen married John Johnson, a butcher from the South Shields area in the north east of England. They lived in South Shields and her daughter Eveline Johnson was borne there in 1888. Eveline was Eira’s mother; she died on 6th October 1968.
Eveline was to marry Esau Arthur Williams in 1911 and have three children;
1. Eira,
2. Yvonne, her younger sister by just 1½ yrs, and
3. Illtyd Morley, the youngest of the family by another 2 years.
Arthur Williams was borne in Landor, outside Swansea. He was Managing Director of the Clayton Tinplate Works in Pontardulais as was his father, John Williams before him. John was not wealthy, but he was clever and he married Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. He used this money to buy shares in the tinplate works thus gaining the MD position, turning it into a family business with 300 employees, and later into a steel strip mill.
Arthur died in November 1950; He lived at Plas Gwyn in Pontardulais from his marriage to Eveline (my granny) in 1911 (when the house was built) until his death.
More available ... but not in relation to the Jenkins connection.
TU so much for this exelent and wonderfull suprise for me[u hava made my day!!] after a few long years of wondering and researching no end...this Annie Jenkins was my 4th gr;grandmother...i am thrilled to bits! i will get back properly on this note sap. luv Diane...in oz. born in Swansea 1944.
Hi, and thank you for this info...hopefully all that the above message will link up with my Annah Jenkins who was born ab'1810/11 in' Llangyfelach possibily around the' Landore 'area]George Trusscot married this' Hannah' or 'Annah' jenkins, so far what I have gathered is that there were approx; 3 Annah's as in motheer daughter grandmother,, Annah Sophia was an added middle name to one or 2 of them even!One of these were HannahSophia JenkinsTruscottc1846. Llangyfelach- FrederickJenkins Truscott[Landore Inn] Hannah born ab 1810 borned all of her children at her home in the Landore Inn so it was said.There was a Clemon and an AnnJ1832 Morriston Llangyfelach.Hannah dborn 1810/11 died aged 56 possibly in or around the Swansea area.March qtr1868. I am hoping that this family corresponds and links to my Jenkins line...i hava lot to research still. PS A TONY JENKINS of the forest of dean site [found on google] also has a SusSusannah in his two Jenkins lines.. thats all for now folks as i am not sure who or if we are relies here...regards happy hunging Diane.
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Good to see family names continued down the generations :)
Notebooks belonging to John Williams are at Swansea Record Office:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=47150
On 1901 census, John is listed as Manager Tinplate Works, whereas Edward Jenkins was listed as Tinplate Manufacturer.
Many thanks from Di.
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This information came from my mother (now deceased) around 2000. It relates to my great grandfather's wife, Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. Not sure it is helpful but worth putting into the pot.
About 1846 a McCarthy eloped from somewhere south of Cork in Ireland to start a new life in Newcastle. It was a daughter from this family, Ellen McCarthy, who lived from 1860 – 1937 who was to be my mother's grandmother.
Ellen married John Johnson, a butcher from the South Shields area in the north east of England. They lived in South Shields and her daughter Eveline Johnson was borne there in 1888. Eveline was Eira’s mother; she died on 6th October 1968.
Eveline was to marry Esau Arthur Williams in 1911 and have three children;
1. Eira,
2. Yvonne, her younger sister by just 1½ yrs, and
3. Illtyd Morley, the youngest of the family by another 2 years.
Arthur Williams was borne in Landor, outside Swansea. He was Managing Director of the Clayton Tinplate Works in Pontardulais as was his father, John Williams before him. John was not wealthy, but he was clever and he married Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. He used this money to buy shares in the tinplate works thus gaining the MD position, turning it into a family business with 300 employees, and later into a steel strip mill.
Arthur died in November 1950; He lived at Plas Gwyn in Pontardulais from his marriage to Eveline (my granny) in 1911 (when the house was built) until his death.
More available ... but not in relation to the Jenkins connection.
TU so much for this exelent and wonderfull suprise for me[u hava made my day!!] after a few long years of wondering and researching no end...this Annie Jenkins was my 4th gr;grandmother...i am thrilled to bits! i will get back properly on this note sap. luv Diane...in oz. born in Swansea 1944.
Hi, and thank you for this info...hopefully all that the above message will link up with my Annah Jenkins who was born ab'1810/11 in' Llangyfelach possibily around the' Landore 'area]George Trusscot married this' Hannah' or 'Annah' jenkins, so far what I have gathered is that there were approx; 3 Annah's as in motheer daughter grandmother,, Annah Sophia was an added middle name to one or 2 of them even!One of these were HannahSophia JenkinsTruscottc1846. Llangyfelach- FrederickJenkins Truscott[Landore Inn] Hannah born ab 1810 borned all of her children at her home in the Landore Inn so it was said.There was a Clemon and an AnnJ1832 Morriston Llangyfelach.Hannah dborn 1810/11 died aged 56 possibly in or around the Swansea area.March qtr1868. I am hoping that this family corresponds and links to my Jenkins line...i hava lot to research still. PS A TONY JENKINS of the forest of dean site [found on google] also has a SusSusannah in his two Jenkins lines.. thats all for now folks as i am not sure who or if we are relies here...regards happy hunting Diane. ps yes i think Hannah brn;181- her brother was named Edward...he went to usa,,she tried to contact him re; the death of her father..but alas her brother had died not long before...more when i read my files n books tomorrow....
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Hi Trevor1955, Hope you have found the right Jenkins
Sylvia
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Thank you for getting back to me on this Diane.
As you are no doubt aware this business is very frustrating but a little addictive at the same time!
The only information I have is that my great grandfather was born in Monmouth Wales and died in Paddington Sydney, in 1926. He married in Morpeth NSW in 1878. His parents were Martin Harris and Susannah Jenkin and it is stated on his death certificate that his father Martin was an Innkeeper.
That's about all the info I have. If you have anything that maybe correlates with this I would be most grateful.
Thanks again,
Therese
G'day Theresa, hopefully i may be able to help you with what info i have...speak soon, regards 'Di in oz'smiles....
Hi Theresa, at last page has just come up for me.I have just re-signed in here, hopefully we can keep in touch, also I will send you my new e mail address privately for you. I think that your Sussanah maybe a link to my family-.Also Edward? please reply here first, thanks ...regards Diane.
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Good to see family names continued down the generations :)
Notebooks belonging to John Williams are at Swansea Record Office:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=47150 (http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=47150)
On 1901 census, John is listed as Manager Tinplate Works, whereas Edward Jenkins was listed as Tinplate Manufacturer.
Many thanks from Di.
Morgan,
The information I posted about Annie and John Williams was gleaned from my mother, Eira Kerr (nee Williams), in an in depth conversation around 2000 and I believe her memory would have been fairly accurate at that time. However, memories play tricks and did I record it correctly at the time? I think so because I took, what the lawyers call "contemporaneous notes"! From what you say about Edward Jenkins, founding the Clayton Tinplate Works in 1883 after he had purchased the Ffoesyrefail Works (and renamed it Clayton) and in 1885 and John Williams moving from Abertillery to manage the works, it could be that the Williams line obtained the interest in the business through both marriage and employment. Incidentally, my middle name is Arthur after my grandfather but my brother's is "Clayton" after the works we believe.
Good to see family names continued down the generations :)
Notebooks belonging to John Williams are at Swansea Record Office:
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=47150 (http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=47150)
On 1901 census, John is listed as Manager Tinplate Works, whereas Edward Jenkins was listed as Tinplate Manufacturer.
Many thanks from Di.
Hi Wychlings please get back to me to see if we are related it seems weare regards Diane
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Hello wychlings :)
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I wonder whether Annie Jenkins was related to Edward Jenkins who founded the Clayton Tinplate Works in 1883, after he had purchased the Ffoesyrefail Works (and renamed it Clayton). In 1885, John Williams moved from Abertillery to manage the works.
Kind Regards
Morgan
This information came from my mother (now deceased) around 2000. It relates to my great grandfather's wife, Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. Not sure it is helpful but worth putting into the pot.
About 1846 a McCarthy eloped from somewhere south of Cork in Ireland to start a new life in Newcastle. It was a daughter from this family, Ellen McCarthy, who lived from 1860 – 1937 who was to be my mother's grandmother.
Ellen married John Johnson, a butcher from the South Shields area in the north east of England. They lived in South Shields and her daughter Eveline Johnson was borne there in 1888. Eveline was Eira’s mother; she died on 6th October 1968.
Eveline was to marry Esau Arthur Williams in 1911 and have three children;
1. Eira,
2. Yvonne, her younger sister by just 1½ yrs, and
3. Illtyd Morley, the youngest of the family by another 2 years.
Arthur Williams was borne in Landor, outside Swansea. He was Managing Director of the Clayton Tinplate Works in Pontardulais as was his father, John Williams before him. John was not wealthy, but he was clever and he married Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. He used this money to buy shares in the tinplate works thus gaining the MD position, turning it into a family business with 300 employees, and later into a steel strip mill.
Arthur died in November 1950; He lived at Plas Gwyn in Pontardulais from his marriage to Eveline (my granny) in 1911 (when the house was built) until his death.
More available ... but not in relation to the Jenkins connection.
TU so much for this exelent and wonderfull suprise for me[u hava made my day!!] after a few long years of wondering and researching no end...this Annie Jenkins was my 4th gr;grandmother...i am thrilled to bits! i will get back properly on this note sap. luv Diane...in oz. born in Swansea 1944.
Please all people if you are still around on rootschat get back to me regarding the tinworks relations and many Jenkin'ses to be discussed here, best wishes Diane.
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Thank you for getting back to me on this Diane.
As you are no doubt aware this business is very frustrating but a little addictive at the same time!
The only information I have is that my great grandfather was born in Monmouth Wales and died in Paddington Sydney, in 1926. He married in Morpeth NSW in 1878. His parents were Martin Harris and Susannah Jenkin and it is stated on his death certificate that his father Martin was an Innkeeper.
That's about all the info I have. If you have anything that maybe correlates with this I would be most grateful.
Thanks again,
Therese
G'day Theresa, hopefully i may be able to help you with what info i have...speak soon, regards 'Di in oz'smiles....
Hi Theresa, at last page has just come up for me.I have just re-signed in here, hopefully we can keep in touch, also I will send you my new e mail address privately for you. I think that your Sussanah maybe a link to my family-.Also Edward? please reply here first, thanks ...regards Diane.
Hi Diane,
Welcome back to RootsChat :) I can merge your two profiles together once you have read this message if
Regards
Sarah :)Hi Sarah I would like my profile page to be now Diane Heddon. Australia. thats about all, many thanks Diane.
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Thank you for getting back to me on this Diane.
As you are no doubt aware this business is very frustrating but a little addictive at the same time!
The only information I have is that my great grandfather was born in Monmouth Wales and died in Paddington Sydney, in 1926. He married in Morpeth NSW in 1878. His parents were Martin Harris and Susannah Jenkin and it is stated on his death certificate that his father Martin was an Innkeeper.
That's about all the info I have. If you have anything that maybe correlates with this I would be most grateful.
Thanks again,
Therese
G'day Theresa, hopefully i may be able to help you with what info i have...speak soon, regards 'Di in oz'smiles....
Hi Theresa, So sorry I have not got back to earlier! However I have an Hannah Jenkin who married George Truscott.Some of the names showed as Jenkin and Jenkins. The person you spoke about that was Susanna may have been a relation to my Hannah Sophia Jenkin. She was born 1810 in Llangyfelach. If you are still on rootschat I can send more info to you and hopefully help you, and see if we are connected. By the way I have an Edmund Jenkin/s
Truscott one of Hannah's children who migrated to Australia[nsw] best wishes, Diane.
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This information came from my mother (now deceased) around 2000. It relates to my great grandfather's wife, Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. Not sure it is helpful but worth putting into the pot.
About 1846 a McCarthy eloped from somewhere south of Cork in Ireland to start a new life in Newcastle. It was a daughter from this family, Ellen McCarthy, who lived from 1860 – 1937 who was to be my mother's grandmother.
Ellen married John Johnson, a butcher from the South Shields area in the north east of England. They lived in South Shields and her daughter Eveline Johnson was borne there in 1888. Eveline was Eira’s mother; she died on 6th October 1968.
Eveline was to marry Esau Arthur Williams in 1911 and have three children;
1. Eira,
2. Yvonne, her younger sister by just 1½ yrs, and
3. Illtyd Morley, the youngest of the family by another 2 years.
Arthur Williams was borne in Landor, outside Swansea. He was Managing Director of the Clayton Tinplate Works in Pontardulais as was his father, John Williams before him. John was not wealthy, but he was clever and he married Annie Jenkins, the daughter of a wealthy innkeeper – they owned a coaching inn called the Landor Inn. He used this money to buy shares in the tinplate works thus gaining the MD position, turning it into a family business with 300 employees, and later into a steel strip mill.
Arthur died in November 1950; He lived at Plas Gwyn in Pontardulais from his marriage to Eveline (my granny) in 1911 (when the house was built) until his death.
More available ... but not in relation to the Jenkins connection.
TU so much for this exelent and wonderfull suprise for me[u hava made my day!!] after a few long years of wondering and researching no end...this Annie Jenkins was my 4th gr;grandmother...i am thrilled to bits! i will get back properly on this note sap. luv Diane...in oz. born in Swansea 1944.
Hi, and thank you for this info...hopefully all that the above message will link up with my Annah Jenkins who was born ab'1810/11 in' Llangyfelach possibily around the' Landore 'area]George Trusscot married this' Hannah' or 'Annah' jenkins, so far what I have gathered is that there were approx; 3 Annah's as in mother daughter- grandmother,, Annah Sophia was an added middle name to one or 2 of them even!One of these were Hannah Sophia JenkinsTruscott probably a daughter or grandaughter?c1846. Llangyfelach- Frederick Jenkins Truscott[Landore Inn] Hannah born ab 1810 borned all of her children at her home in the Landore Inn so it was said.There was a Clemon and an AnnJ1832 Morriston Llangyfelach.Hannah dborn 1810/11 died aged 56 possibly in or around the Swansea area.March qtr 1868. I am hoping that this family corresponds and links to my Jenkins line...i have a lot to research still. PS A TONY JENKINS of the forest of dean site [found on google] also has a Susannah in his two Jenkins lines.. thats all for now folks as i am not sure who or if we are relies here...regards happy hunting Diane. ps yes i think Hannah brn;1810- her brother was named Edward...he went to usa,,she tried to contact him re; the death of her father..but alas her brother had died not long before...more when i read my files n books tomorrow....
Hi anyone knowing any information going back further than Hannah Sophia Jenkins born in 1810/11 please keep in touch. She died at 56 years of age, and went to live with her sister after being widowed.The sister lived just outside Swansea near Port Talbot -Measteg area.I should like to know if anyone has dates names of Hannah's grandparent at all? Her father was James Jenkins who possibly married Ann Williams?[maybe]She was related to all the above information.- Well I feel certain she was actually. but I would like to know their history further back in time, particularly from Hannah Sophia Jenkins parents lines...best regards Diane.
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Hi Diane,
I am struggling to read your last replies because of all the quotes, I am sure it will be easier for folk to read if you only click the quote button just the once ;)
Regards
Sarah