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Title: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child' (COMPLETE)
Post by: bigjon000 on Friday 04 February 11 04:52 GMT (UK)
From: South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839-1900)
Shipping Intelligence
Wednesday 16 October 1850, Page 2 of 4

barque: HYDASPES
Dep. London, Gravesend 28 Jun 1850
Arr. Port Adelaide 15-Oct-1850.
 
Gurr, Mrs and child.

Unfortunately there are no passenger records for this ship for this voyage; the only reference is this report in the newspaper of the day.

I suppose Mrs Gurr's husband came to SA earlier and she has come out to meet him.

Does this good lady with her child fit with any researcher's family history?

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs Gurr & child'
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 04 February 11 05:42 GMT (UK)
Not related to the Family but there is a JOSEPH Gurr arriving in Sth Australia 11/11/1847 on the "ANTILLA" from London.

Maybe a possibility?

Trish :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs Gurr & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Friday 04 February 11 08:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Trish,

I understand Joseph married my g-g-great Aunt, Mary Roberts who traveled to SA aboard the Hydaspes as a companion to 'Mrs GURR & child'

I have logged all the GURRs that came to SA from the passenger lists in the Adelaide Library up to 1851 and can account for them all. There must be a stray one around some where that is eluding me

Thank you for replying.
bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs Gurr & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 04 February 11 09:11 GMT (UK)
bj, do you happen to have a William Gurr among your logged Gurrs?


Dee :) 
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Saturday 05 February 11 00:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee,

There are about fifty three William Gurrs that came to SA between 1849 and 1879 though none are related to my g-g-great Aunt Mary Roberts so I don't have any details of them except their ship numbers.

How ever I do have some information on the following three. 

1. William (c1821-     ), son of George and first wife Keturah (Young). He may have been one of the fifty three Williams that came to SA but I have no more details other than his Christening.

2. William (1855-1855), son of Joseph and Mary (Roberts). This little fellow was born in Adelaide and died aged just 9 moths.

3. William Valentine (1877-    ), son of Valentine and Mary (Rundle). and grandson of George and his second wife Ann (Allchin). He was born in Adelaide and married one Bessie Gibson. They had three children that I have been able to find.

If any of these three are of interest to you I will be pleased to send you what I have on them.

Regards
bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Saturday 05 February 11 05:05 GMT (UK)
Hi again Dee,

Ooooops! I had a seniors moment earlier. I was looking at the wrong list when I gave the number of Gurrs arriving in SA.

I'll check when I next go to the Adelaide Library but I think there may have been only two families that came; one in 1850 (ship 50/6, Sultana) and one in 1858 (ship 58/6, General Hewett). Neither had a William though.

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 05 February 11 05:21 GMT (UK)
Hi bj,

The William Gurr I'm interested in died at Fullarton Estate, 4th February 1902 at age 81. So it is quite likely that the William Gurr c 1821 is the one in which I'm interested. This William Gurr lived in Saddleworth for many years.

I'd really appreciate any information you might happen to have. A friend and I have been involved in an amazing quest to find family for an old bible, and one of William's daughters is one of the 4 names in it.

I'll find the link to the thread about it if you are interested.


Dee   :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Saturday 05 February 11 10:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee, Your William would seem to fit with mine.

I have no more information about him other than the Christening notes that I obtained from Familysearch.org: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

William Gurr baptised 30 Sep 1821 St Michael Lewes, Sussex parents George Gurr and Keturah


William is the only one of George's 7 children with first wife Keturah who's details I don't have. I will be very interested to have any information that you have. The daughter's name would be helpful. Do you know if he married here or in the UK?
I'll check the passenger lists again at the Library to see if I can find when he came to SA.

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 05 February 11 10:35 GMT (UK)
BJ, Thanks for that. I've copied those details as you might find it is removed by the Copyright Editor.

 I can help you out with details of William Gurr's family.

Firstly, here's the link to the Old Bible Challenge.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,499352.0.html
 Jean Ann GURR, William's daughter, gets her first mention on Page #2. Late in the thread there is a photograph of her.

William GURR was married to Kezia SAYERS, but I can't see the marriage in South Australia. Their first child that I can see was born in 1848 1846 (correction). All in all there are ten children registered in South Australia. If you don't have ready access to BDM, I'll let you have the details tomorrow. It'll take me some time to type them up.

I've attached a newspaper clipping which is rather hard to read unfortunately, but tells of some of his life.


Dee   :D
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 05 February 11 11:15 GMT (UK)
Here's the marriage bj......

William GURR married Keziah SAYERS March Qtr 1845 in the district of Kingston, 4/193


Dee   :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 06 February 11 04:56 GMT (UK)
As promised, bj, William and Kezia's children......

Children born to William GURR & Kezia SAYERS in South Australia……

Jane Ann born 1st April 1846 at North Adelaide
Ref = Ade  1/151

Mary Ann born 24th June 1848 at Thebarton
Ref = Ade 2/73

Keziah Draper born 13th April 1850 at Thebarton
Ref = Ade  3/54

Emily born 12th July 1852 at Thebarton
Ref = Ade  4/52

Mary Ann born 17th Nov 1856 at Yatala
Ref = Ade  7/156
 
Lydia born 24th April 1859 at North Adelaide
Ref = Ade 15/84

Alice Adelaide born 31st Aug 1861 at Bay Rd
Ref = Ade  20/180

Matilda Salina born 27th Nov 1863 at Allens Creek
Ref = Kap 30/9

William Herbert born 24th June 1866 at Saddleworth
Ref = Gil  45/148

Walter born 29th January 1871 at Saddleworth
Ref = Gil  92/230


However, I think there might be another daughter somewhere. I seem to remember reading a snippet that said they had nine daughters in a row.   :o  I'll see if I can find it again.


Dee    :D
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 06 February 11 05:04 GMT (UK)
Daughter Lydia's marriage announcement in the South Australian Advertiser on 3rd March 1880 stated that she was the 7th daughter of Mr William GURR of Saddleworth.

In the list of daughters I've found, she was the sixth. So there must be another daughter somewhere. I'll keep looking. 
 

Dee
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 06 February 11 05:26 GMT (UK)
Right.....here's marriages of some of the daughters......

William HARROLD aged 21 married Kezia Draper GURR aged 17 on 21st August 1867 at the residence of William Gurr, Saddleworth.
Fathers = Chrismas HARROLD & William GURR
Ref = Gil AE  72/23

James Rotherford BLACK aged 24 and single married Jean Ann GURR aged 23 and single on 10th October 1869 at the residence of William Gurr, Saddleworth.
Fathers = James Rotherford BLACK & William GURR
Ref = Gil  81/66

John Thomas FARRELL aged 27 and single married Emily GURR aged 21 and single on 10th November 1873 at the residence of William Gurr, Saddleworth.
Fathers = Thomas FARRELL & William GURR
Ref = Gil  A  97/318

William JEWSON aged 31 and a widower married Mary Ann GURR aged 19 and single on 24th November 1975 at the residence of William Gurr, Saddleworth.
Fathers = William JEWSON & William GURR
Ref = Gil 105/613

Edward Henry SMITH aged 23 and single married Lydia GURR aged 20 and single on 25th February 1880 at the residence of John Thomas Farrell, Willowie.
Fathers = William Merdu SMITH & William GURR
Ref = Fro  122/814

and....the ninth daughter.....born about 1854 according to her age at marriage.......

William MAGRATH aged 24 and single married Elizabeth GURR aged 23 and single on 14th November 1877 at the residence of William Gurr, Saddleworth.
Fathers = John MAGRATH & William GURR
Ref = Gil  113/466



Dee   :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 06 February 11 05:50 GMT (UK)
According to the notice in the paper, Elizabeth GURR was indeed the fifth daughter, slotting in between Emily and Mary Ann.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bpg/


Dee    :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Monday 07 February 11 08:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Trish,

Thanks for replying.

Where did you find 'Joseph' Gurr came to SA on the Antilla? Both the passenger record and the news paper of the day simply refer to one 'Mr Gurr'

I have always assumed that it was him but haven't been able to confirm it.

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 07 February 11 09:16 GMT (UK)
Hi bj,
I just entered surname Gurr on the site below.
Joseph does have a question mark there though.
There are 5 Gurr entries and Ellen and Mary Roberts listed
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html

Trish :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 07 February 11 09:19 GMT (UK)
Other Gurr info of which you seem to have most of on the home page of the Site;
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Wednesday 09 February 11 05:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Trish,

Please don't think I have deserted you. I'm still digesting the wealth of information that you have provided; and I have yet to read fully your wonderful story of the Old Bible Challenge.

I wasn't able to read the newspaper clipping unfortunately. Is there a link to it somewhere?

I haven't found a marriage for Matilda Salina Gurr yet. There don't appear to be any children born to her in SA and I haven't found a death record.

Jane (Jean) Ann married twice. First husband was James Black who died in 1879 and her second husband was Charles Henry Box who she married in 1882.

This sure is a work in progress .....

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 09 February 11 08:56 GMT (UK)
Jane/Jean Ann's two marriages are listed in the Old Bible Challenge, bj. There's also a photo of her, and an article from Trove Newspapers.

I haven't managed to find a death or marriage for Matilda Salina Gurr either, I'm afraid. If I do, I'll let you know.

Here's the link to the newspaper clipping you can't read, though I'm afraid the original is not much better.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0br2/


Oh.....and I'm Dee by the way.....  ;)  :D   :D
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Wednesday 09 February 11 09:14 GMT (UK)
Dee,

Forgive me, Its me age! its me age!

And, if I'd read your very interesting Old Bible Challenge BEFORE replying I would have noted the information about Jane too.  :-[ :-[

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Wednesday 09 February 11 09:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee,

by way of penance may I respectfully submit this may be what the newspaper article says

Mr. William Gurr, one of the oldest and best known tradesmen of Saddleworth has removed from our midst. After a residence here of nearly 35 years he has retired from business and removed to one of the suburbs of Adelaide. Mr. Gurr has been intimately connected with many public as well as religious bodies during his long residence here. He has been on the institute committee in various capacities, for several years president; has been a prominent Oddfellow and Forester, and has evinced a deep interest in cricket. In connection with the Baptist church Mr. Gurr has been a lay preacher for 30 years, while Miss Gurr has been a Sunday school teacher and member of the choir for a long time. On Wednesday evening a meeting of the congregation of the Baptist church was held to bid farewell to Mr. Gurr and Miss Gurr. The Rev. G. F. Smith, pastor of the church, presided over a good attendance. Speeches expressive of good feeling and regret at losing such respected members of the church were made by the Chairman, Messrs. T. Jones, T. Mill, F. Coleman, W. G. Roberts, and S. Olley. A presentation was made to the departing guests during the evening.

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 09 February 11 09:42 GMT (UK)
Not to worry, bj.....you're talking to the person who forgot to turn off 3 lights last night!  ;D   ;D   ;D


The lady who has the photo of Jean Ann BOX thinks she might be able to get one of William Gurr for you.



Dee   :)

Added......and thankyou for typing up that article.....that's brilliant!    :D
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: Essie on Wednesday 09 February 11 10:05 GMT (UK)
Hi bj

I have tried to piece together the GURR family in SA. You may already know much of this but the following may be of benefit to other researchers.

In summary, George and second wife and their children, along with one son from the first wife, arrived as assisted immigrants on the Sultana 1850.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/sultana1850.htm

The Biographical Index of SA names all sons of George and his first wife.
GURR George b: 3.3.1789 SSX ENG d: 19.5.1874 Adelaide SA bd: WTC
arr: 1850 SULTANA
occ: Blacksmith res: Adelaide
m: (1/2) unknown
ch: John (c1814-1855'), Caleb, Jas (c1818-), Joshua (1818-1910), Wm, Joseph (c1823-1887), Benjamin (c1825-1873)
m: (2/2) Ann b: 1820 d: 21.2.1882 Adelaide SA
ch: Valentine (1841-1915), Thos (1843-1869), Keturah (1844-1906), Victoria (1845-), Albt (1846-), Anne (1847-), Geo (1849-), Sultan Henry (1850-1919), Eliz M. (1852-), Sarah (1854-), Emily (1856-), David (1858-)


BMDs and BISA show four of the older sons, John, Joshua, William and Joseph, in SA prior to 1850. And James arrived in 1858.

John and wife Ann, and Joshua arrived together,
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839Moffatt.htm

GURR Mr & Mrs
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1845Symmetry.gif
William and Kezia married by March 1845, the ship sailed in June, and their first child was born in SA April 1846.

GURR Mr
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1847Antilla.gif
I could not see any unrelated GURR families in SA at this time so I would think this was Joseph.


GURR John par: Geo and 1st wife b: c1814 d. 8 Nov 1855
Age: 41y Adelaide  bd: WTC arr: by 1840
Relative: Joseph GURR (PR)
occ: Carpenter, Joiner res: Adelaide rel: C/E
m: Ann WIMSHURST
Child born in SA 12 Jan 1840

GURR James par: Geo and 1st wife b: c1818 Ssx ENG
arr: 1858 GENERAL HEWETT occ: Labourer
m: Lucy RELF b: c1821
ch: Geo (c1855-), Benjamin (c1857-)
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/generalhewett1858.htm

GURR Joshua par: Geo and 1st wife b: 11.3.1818 Ssx ENG d: 9.11.1910 Kensington SA bd: WTC
arr: 1839 MOFFATT occ: Blacksmith, Ironmonger res: Beulah Pk, Nth Kensington rel: Prot
m: 25.7.1845 North Adelaide SA Jean  nee OGILVIE

WILLIAM c 1821
GURR William par: (Geo and 1st wife) res: Thebarton
m: Keziah nee SAYERS

GURR Joseph par: Geo and 1st wife b: c1823 ENG d: 14.2.1887 bd: Kapunda SA
res: Kapunda rel: Bapt
m: 11.11.1850 Adelaide SA Mary nee ROBERTS b: c1820 d: 1.6.1913 Kensington Pk SA


It seems there was no other MR GURR waiting for the arrival of a wife and child unless he was the man who arrived in 1847.   But then there would be no record for the arrival of Joseph ???

Essie
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 09 February 11 10:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee,

by way of penance may I respectfully submit this may be what the newspaper article says

Mr. William Gurr, one of the oldest and best known tradesmen of Saddleworth has removed from our midst. After a residence here of nearly 35 years he has retired from business and removed to one of the suburbs of Adelaide. Mr. Gurr has been intimately connected with many public as well as religious bodies during his long residence here. He has been on the institute committee in various capacities, for several years president; has been a prominent Oddfellow and Forester, and has evinced a deep interest in cricket. In connection with the Baptist church Mr. Gurr has been a lay preacher for 30 years, while Miss Gurr has been a Sunday school teacher and member of the choir for a long time. On Wednesday evening a meeting of the congregation of the Baptist church was held to bid farewell to Mr. Gurr and Miss Gurr. The Rev. G. F. Smith, pastor of the church, presided over a good attendance. Speeches expressive of good feeling and regret at losing such respected members of the church were made by the Chairman, Messrs. T. Jones, T. Mill, F. Coleman, W. G. Roberts, and S. Olley. A presentation was made to the departing guests during the evening.

bj

I wonder if that was Matilda Salina, bj.........   ???


Good one, Essie.......that could be very helpful to Physio of The Old Bible Challenge.   :D
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 09 February 11 11:02 GMT (UK)
I just come on-line and was about to say it wasnt me that posted that Bible Challenge etc.
But am glad to see its all sorted :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 09 February 11 11:58 GMT (UK)

I haven't found a marriage for Matilda Salina Gurr yet. There don't appear to be any children born to her in SA and I haven't found a death record.



I haven't managed to find a death or marriage for Matilda Salina Gurr either, I'm afraid. If I do, I'll let you know.



Matilda's marriage & death in NSW  :)

MAGRATH  William  m. GURR Matilda S  ALBURY 1905 #8876

MAGRATH  Matilda Salina  d. 1948  WAGGA WAGGA #21916
Father: WILLIAM 
Mother: UNKNOWN     
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 09 February 11 12:57 GMT (UK)

Matilda Salina GURR married William Herbert MAGRATH widower of her elder sister Elizabeth GURR.

The following comes courtesy of a MAGRATH family member  :)

William Herbert Magrath married Elizabeth Gurr, daughter of William Gurr and Keziah Rayers on 14 Nov 1877 at Saddleworth, SA.

At this time he was employed as a Blacksmith. William, Elizabeth Gurr and their five children moved from Marrabel in SA to the Bunyip, Kaniva District in Victoria between 1885 and 1887.

It appears he worked as a farm labourer at this stage before acquiring land.

By 1891-92 William's postal details read-" farmer, Sandsmere".

* James Leslie was born at Bunyip in 1887.
* Leslie Wesley George was born at Bunyip in 1889.
* Alfred John was born at Bunyip in 1891.
* Percival Olis was born at Bunyip in 1893.

The family moved on to Grong Grong in N.S.W. before their next child, Amy Rhoda was born at Grong Grong in 1894.

By 1902 William was established as a blacksmith, at Brocklesby, having come from South Australia and Victoria with his wife and large family. The business known as Brocklesby Blacksmith & Wheelwright Establishment was held by the Magrath family until horses were phased out.

From the ALBURY BANNER, March 1st 1902:
"Mrs Magrath, wife of the blacksmith at Brocklesby died last Sunday after a long illness, death coming as a great relief. She was buried on Sunday and a large procession followed to the Goombargarra Cemetry. The Rev. Middleton will preach a sermon at Brocklesby church next Sunday at 3.00 pm."

After Elizabeth died of breast cancer on March 1st 1902, he married Matilda Selina Gurr, the younger sister of his former wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William Gurr and Keziah Rayers (322), on 2 Nov 1905 at the Methodist Parsonage, Albury.







Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: Essie on Wednesday 09 February 11 22:54 GMT (UK)
Another thought.  "Mrs GURR and child" . . . was one of the wives and child returning in 1850 after a visit to the UK.

Joshua and wife Jean had only one child John, born 1846 and married in 1869 to Emma BLEECHMORE. I think the following was Joshua and his family who visited the UK, and most likely it was Joshua's wife and child returning from a visit in 1850.

South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839-1900)
Monday 17 July 1871 p 6 Article ... PASSENGERS FROM ENGLAND. Per CARNAQUHEEN—Mr. and Mrs. J. Gurr, Mr. and Mrs. J. Gurr, jun., and infant, in the cabin.

These two couples minus the infant left for London on 16 Dec 1869.
CLEARED.
Saturday, December 18.
GLEN OSMOND, ship, 850 tons, W. Marchant, master, for London.
Passengers—Mr. and Mrs Gurr, sen., Mr. and Mrs. Gurr, jun., in the cabin

No birth record in SA for the first child Jean Eva born c1871 to John Henry and his wife.

Essie
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: cristobel on Thursday 10 February 11 00:37 GMT (UK)

I have just found this thread.   :)   I have the Gurr family in my tree, but have only scant information.

My interest is from William Valentine Gurr and his wife Bessie Gibson. 

Cheers, Chris.

 



Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 February 11 08:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Merlin, for the information on Matilda Salina GURR.   :D   :D

Her father William GURR died on 4th Feb 1902, so if Matilda Salina had been his unmarried daughter who'd stayed with him until then, she's have needed a home. Possibly she went to housekeep for her B I L and ended up marrying him.

Cristobel, have you found all the references for your line of Gurrs on TROVE Newspapers?


Dee     :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: cristobel on Friday 11 February 11 00:30 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Thanks.  I will check out the Trove site.  The Gurr family is one that I haven't done much research on.  It's on the long list of "To Do"    :)

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Friday 11 February 11 09:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Essie,

Can I ask you where you got the information for Victoria (1845- ) dau. of George and Ann?

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Friday 11 February 11 22:48 GMT (UK)
Chris,

For what it is worth this is what I have for William Valentine and Bessie GURR:

William Valentine GURR, son of Valentine GURR and Mary RUNDLE, was born on 6 May 1877 in Adelaide.
William married Bessie GIBSON, daughter of William GIBSON and Emily ELLIS, on 23 May 1895 in Residence 0f TJ
Gore, Adelaide. Bessie was born on 15 Mar 1874 in Bowden, Hindmarsh. They had three children: Gladys Millicent Lilac,
Terence Milton and Clarice Doreen.
Gladys Millicent Lilac GURR was born on 1 Jan 1896 in Adelaide.
Gladys married George Renton HIBBERTT, son of Charles H HIBBERTT and Unknown, on 23 Jan 1917 in St
Saviour, Glen Osmond, Norwood. George was born about 1890. They had four children: Gladys Jean, Gwendoline
Doris, Betty and Doreen Joyce.
Terence Milton GURR was born on 6 Apr 1899 in Adelaide.
Clarice Doreen GURR was born on 18 Jun 1906 in Adelaide.
Clarice married Keith Vernon MADDEN, son of John Boden MADDEN and Unknown, on 5 Jul 1928 in Methodist
Manse, South Terrace, Adelaide. Keith was born about 1903.
General Notes:
Madden family History: http://www.maddenfamilyhistory.com/


Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: Essie on Friday 11 February 11 23:39 GMT (UK)
Hi bj

The Biographical Index of SA names Victoria but BISA is known to have errors.
I hadn't noticed Victoria was not on the passenger list as I was concentrating on which male GURRs arrived prior to 1850. 

The next child named was Albert and it was in the era of a young Queen Victoria and her Consort Albert, and I noticed they named son Sultan after the ship on which he was born.

Essie
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: cando on Saturday 12 February 11 00:38 GMT (UK)
Quote
Can I ask you where you got the information for Victoria (1845- ) dau. of George and Ann?

Quote
The Biographical Index of SA names all sons of George and his first wife.
GURR George b: 3.3.1789 SSX ENG d: 19.5.1874 Adelaide SA bd: WTC
arr: 1850 SULTANA
occ: Blacksmith res: Adelaide
m: (1/2) unknown
ch: John (c1814-1855'), Caleb, Jas (c1818-), Joshua (1818-1910), Wm, Joseph (c1823-1887), Benjamin (c1825-1873)
m: (2/2) Ann b: 1820 d: 21.2.1882 Adelaide SA
ch: Valentine (1841-1915), Thos (1843-1869), Keturah (1844-1906), Victoria (1845-), Albt (1846-), Anne (1847-), Geo (1849-), Sultan Henry (1850-1919), Eliz M. (1852-), Sarah (1854-), Emily (1856-), David (1858-)
Essie

Possible 1st marriage for George - IGI extracted record

GURR George
YOUNG Ketinah      
14 APR 1813      Buxted, Sussex, England

Baptisms - extracted records

GURR John
Baptism  27 Feb 1814   Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah

GURR Caleb Georges
Baptism  15 Oct  1814   Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah

GURR James
Baptism  19 Oct 1817 Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah

GURR Joshua        
Baptism  5 Sep 1819  Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah

GURR William         
Baptism  20 Sep 1821 Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah
         
GURR Joseph   
Baptism  1 Feb 1824  Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah         

GURR Benjamin
Baptism  14 Aug 1825 Saint Michael   Lewes   Sussex   England
Father George GURR and Mother Keturah        

and possible 2nd marriage - also extracted record

GURR George    
ALLCHIN Ann
14 Feb 1841  Brighton Sussex England   

Birth
Births Mar 1841
GURR Valentine  Lewes &  7/401

Perhaps this is Victoria
Births Dec 1845  
GURR  Female     Lewes &c    7/392

Other chns' births on freebdm including Keturah mistranscribed as Kebasah.

More baptisms of the children on the 2nd marriage on IGI.


Cheers  :)
Cando


Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: cando on Saturday 12 February 11 01:19 GMT (UK)
Perhaps you may find this interesting....George had ALLCHIN's as immediate neighbours

1841 Census   HO107/1120/6/7/6
Living at ?Keere Street, Lewes
GURR George  50 years  Whitesmith  Born country
GURR Ann  27 years   Born county
GURR Joseph  17 years   Whitesmith J   Born county
GURR Benjamin  15 years  Pipemaker's apprentice  Born county
GURR Valentine  3 months   Born county

and next door
ALLCHIN Henry  34 years  Bricklayer  born county with wife Harriet and chn Caroline, Sarah and Henry

and the other side - ?Ann's parents
ALLCHIN Henry  60 years  Shoemaker J   Born county
ALLCHIN Sarah  59 years  Born county
ALLCHIN Mary  36 years  Born county
ALLCHIN Elizabeth 19 years  Born county

Cheers :)
Cando
 
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: cando on Saturday 12 February 11 01:25 GMT (UK)
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1850Sultana.htm
No Victoria GURR on the passenger records and a can't see a death on freebdm prior to George and Ann's embarkation. 

Cando
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Saturday 12 February 11 03:17 GMT (UK)
I wonder if John Gurr aka John Henry Gurr m. Agnes Kate (fmly) HARRIS (nee) BLEECHMORE after Emma Selina died in 1892.

First husband George Ebenezer Harris d. 22 Apr 1886. leaving her with three children.


I can't find a marriage record but a Kathleen Cleaveland Gurr was b. 22 July 1895 to a John Henry Gurr and Agnes Kate (fmly) HARRIS (nee) BLEECHMORE at New Glenelg.

bj

And .......

From: The Advertiser, Wednesday 9 September 1903
Gurr v. Sari.
In this case, Mary Ellen Gurr, represented by Mr S. H Bleechmore, asked for a decree nisi for divorce from Humphrey Joseph Gurr on the ground of cruelty and desertion.
The Chief Justice said he had tried the case, and it was the most shameful he had ever had before him. The respondent - he supposed he must call him a man - had flung a boot at the petitioner and had thus caused a serious trouble. At a critical time he had pulled the bed from under her and the wife had been practically starved. It was a pity that the law could not step in and punish such men.
The decree nisi would be granted.

They had one daughter.

Humphrey Joseph Gurr (1868 - ) was the first son of Valentine Gurr and m. Edith May West 12 Jun 1876.

They had no children.

tch, tch,  :o

     
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: cristobel on Sunday 13 February 11 12:02 GMT (UK)

Hi bj,

Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for all the details on your post  (think it was number 32) with details of family for William Valentine & Bessie Gurr.

Cheers, Chris.
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child'
Post by: bigjon000 on Thursday 17 February 11 04:25 GMT (UK)
To Trish, Dee, Essie, ~MERLIN~, Chris and Cando with your help I have been able to trace the families of George Gurr and his descendants that came to SA in the 1800s and our posts were read a staggering 832 times at my last count.

I have produced a chart and a report and posted them on the web for those who are interested.

http://users.tpg.com.au/oigle38/Descendants%20of%20George%20GURR%20%28Chart%29.pdf

http://users.tpg.com.au/oigle38/Descendants%20of%20George%20GURR%20%28Report%29.pdf

Thank you.  :)

bj
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child' (COMPLETE)
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 17 February 11 08:55 GMT (UK)
Excellent work bj.
It is now out there for all descendants to see in the future :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child' (COMPLETE)
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 17 February 11 09:06 GMT (UK)
Thanks from me also, bj.......we may not have got to the bottom of your original question, but the results culminated in your excellent charts, which I really appreciate being able to refer to.    :D


Dee    :)
Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs GURR & child' (COMPLETE)
Post by: Bitzer9 on Thursday 12 January 12 22:55 GMT (UK)
My interest is in Joshua Gurr who was a friend of Pastor Joseph Abbott and any relationship with my mum's Heggaton or Dufty Families of Middleton and Yankalilla.

So on checking Trove spotted this:


1866

GURR.-On the 19th January, at Divett-street,
Mary Ruth Gurr, daughter of the late John Gurr, Grenfell-street, aged 18 years.

so that would possibly fit the Mrs Gurr and Child, and is not one of these

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1850Sultana.htm


Mike


Title: Re: Who was 'Mrs Gurr & child'
Post by: G Mlx on Wednesday 30 January 19 16:24 GMT (UK)
Not related to the Family but there is a JOSEPH Gurr arriving in Sth Australia 11/11/1847 on the "ANTILLA" from London.

Maybe a possibility?

Trish :)

There is also a Joseph Gurr born 1819 Lewes, Sussex and died 1910, who emigrated to Australia aboard the Moffat in August 1839, married Jean Ogilvie of Elgin Scotland on the 25th July 1845, had one son and many grandchildren and had an Iron and coal yard in Currie Street, Adelaide and was an executor  in 1856/7 of James Phillips a distant relation of mine.