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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: Marli on Saturday 05 February 11 09:10 GMT (UK)
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William Cummins my g/g/father was born in Queens Co. 1804
Tried as an Irish Rebel in Port Laooise 1823
Arrived Australia 1824 on the convict ship Prince Regent.
Parents were Kenan Cummins and Elizabeth (nee Shelly)
I need to access information on the family unit. Also He has stated that there were 300 year old tombs of his family in the district. (this was in 1830) I would like to have some idea if the graves are still viable to visit and some history of family. I would be most grateful for any help. Marli ;) ???
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Do you know what part of Co. Laois (Queens) the family lived ?
A trial would take place in the main town, but they could have lived somewhere else.
you would also need to know the family religion to search for parish records.
Shane
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He was catholic.He was dragged from his native home by the existingpolicy of British Govt and convicted under the insurrection act for being out of his fathers house after curfew at 8pm night. He was 17 years old. He is quoted as saying 'I defy any body to say a word derogatory about my parents, who though not wealthy were respectable industrious persons. If the tombs in the old church yards of the locality where he was born ,were examined,it would be found that the name he bore was an honorable one. Some members of his family had been honored at their deaths by costly and and substantial monuments and that they owned the soil which his parents had to pay rent for.' This was in 1829.
Trade = shepherd.Native place Queens County. Tried Maryborough (Port Laoise) 1823. Born in Kilkenny county 1804. I have a couple of conflicting items as in Kilkenny and ueens but as I do not know the area I am lost. Thank you for taking time to answer my inquiry.
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Co. Kilkenny is to the south of Co. Laois, so maybe your Cummins family lived somewhere in the northern part of Co. Kilkenny if the trial took place in Port Laois.
I would think that trials for further south in the county would take place in Kilkenny city.
You would need to establish which townland or parish the family lived in to start checking for available parish records as not all parishes will have records going back as far as the dates you need.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Thank you Shane.I have no other advice on Counties only the one's listed as told by my Gg/father in correspondance.
I wll start with the counties around the area as I have downloaded a map from Rootsweb.
Your help was really appreciated.
I may have to end up coming over to search each graveyard.(Now that would be a lot of fun) Regards Marli
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Hi Marli,
I have walked all those graveyards in Laois, 3 years going to every town and village in Laois and finding little cemeteries in 'far flung places', but as in the cemeteries that you would have the most interest, the headstones were beyond reading in most cases.
The surname Cummins, as we 'loclas' would say, is not a Laois name, but a Kilkenny name, thus I think you search would seve best there.
Below are the Cummins I found in Laois cemeteries, but none go back far enough for your research.
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Ballaghmore-Borris-in-Ossory;
Cummins John; 24/2/1955 Rossdorraugha
Catherine-wife; 17/2/1962
Carroll Mary Ann-her sister; 27/3/1956
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Portarlington;
Cummins James; 23/4/1933 (83)
Ellen;
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Ballacolla Old;
Cummins William; 29/5/1904 (56) Rahandrick
Nora-wife; 2/8/1909 (91)
Laurence-son; 8/5/1927 (73)
Cummins William; 25/7/1956
Cummins Laurence; 26/3/1965
Nora-sister; 18/3/1978
Kryan-brother; 5/8/1995
Anastacia-wife; 5/8/1993
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Cummins Laurence; 3/11/1903 (40) Cannonswood
Mary-wife; 2/3/1942 (79) (nee Bergin)
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Abbeyleix;
Cummins Michael; 9/8/1948
Bridget-dtr-; 2/3/1932
Gerard-son; 9/1/1938
Catherine-wife; 30/11/1967
Cummins Thomas; 20/11/1924
Julia-wife; 28/7/1949
Carrie Elizabeth-dtr; 16/11/1964
Martin-son; 25/2/1982
William-son; 17/8/1986
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Skeirke; Borris-in-Ossory;
Cummins Thomas; 5/3/1955
Mary-wife; 17/3/1945
Sophia-dtr; 1921
Mary-wife; 15/8/1936
Patrick-son; 17/8/1963
Teresa-grand-dtr; 3/5/1979
William-son; 19/7/1994
Jack-son; 21/11/1994
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Jack
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Hello from Marli.
Thank you for your kind reply and information.
I did not know how hard this would be given that I had his birth date and fathers and mothers name and where he lived.(or purported to live).
I have come across one William Cummins at Shankill and an Eliza at Tiscoffin but only on the 1901 census which of course may be decendants of William but I have no link. There seems to be in Boris 'Shellys and Cummins' so will go town by town in Kilkenny till I recognise something closer knit.
Thank you once again.
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remember that not all parishes will have records back to the date of William's baptism. Many rural RC records only cover back to the early 1830s, and only a few have complete records back to 1804. Of the 56 or so RC parishes which cover Kilkenny & Laois, only about 20 have records going back before 1810.. and some of these may have gaps.
Shane
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Thank you Shane. I am not an easily frustrated person but am getting there.
Will plod along though. someone in the Cummins family may recognise the name Shelly and Cummins together in their tree.
Thank you once again. Marli
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hi there is this the man you are looking for
http://www.megalong.cc/Ambermere/william_cummings__of_bathurst.htm
ship Prince Regent on the 15th July 1824 .He was one of 180 male convicts who had boarded at Cork. William was a labour/shepherd born in Kilkenny County. At the age of 17 he was dragged from his parents home as a result of breaking a curfew and branded a convict rebel by the British Government. William Cummins was born to Keiran Cummings and Elizabeth Shelly in 1804. His family had lived in Kilkenny for over 300 years. He was found guilty and sentenced to seven years transportation. He gained an early ticket of Leave on the 15th July 1829, by a Government Order of 1st January 1827. He was restricted to the locality of Parramatta. In 1828 he was recorded as part of an iron gang at Baulkham Hills.
I just found out he is a descendant of mine not sure how many great great it is but when i saw this i saw some things that were the same and i was wondering if he was yours then we could be family xxx
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Hi Aussieally, Yes this is the guy. I have everything I need to research the Irish side but have had no luck cracking the Area before his birth. whooo Hooo rellies eh? So which branch do you come down on? I am from K.C.A. Cummings line.
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Hi Aussieally, Yes this is the guy. I have everything I need to research the Irish side but have had no luck cracking the Area before his birth. whooo Hooo rellies eh? So which branch do you come down on? I am from K.C.A. Cummings line.
My e-mail is *
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I am to from the KCA Cummings line
KA Cummings was my gr grandfather my Grandma was his legitimate child he was not able to marry her because of social status she was a maid and they apparently fell in love but the family would not allow them to marry, He went on to write to her until her 21st or when she got married can not quite remember if it was one or the other or both. My great Grandma was Sarah Ann Dole
I know back to William Cummings and that is where it stops when he got transported to Australia There was a lady called Aunty Rhoda but i am not sure where she fitted it but she use to look after my Aunty Elsie from time to time.
It would be lovely if i was able to send my email address to you if possible just to keep a little communication open. It would be so great if we could. It would mean a lot to me do you mind. xxx
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Hi Aussieally, Yes this is the guy. I have everything I need to research the Irish side but have had no luck cracking the Area before his birth. whooo Hooo rellies eh? So which branch do you come down on? I am from K.C.A. Cummings line.
My e-mail is *
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy, to avoid spamming and other abuses. Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
I am to from the KCA Cummings line
KA Cummings was my gr grandfather my Grandma was his legitimate child he was not able to marry her because of social status she was a maid and they apparently fell in love but the family would not allow them to marry, He went on to write to her until her 21st or when she got married can not quite remember if it was one or the other or both. My great Grandma was Sarah Ann Dole
I know back to William Cummings and that is where it stops when he got transported to Australia There was a lady called Aunty Rhoda but i am not sure where she fitted it but she use to look after my Aunty Elsie from time to time.
It would be lovely if i was able to send my email address to you if possible just to keep a little communication open. It would be so great if we could. It would mean a lot to me do you mind. xxx
Sarah Ann Dole was the daughter of my 4th great uncle Joseph Dole of Somers Town, London. Born in 1822 Joe was transported to Tasmania in 1836 for the theft of a sheet valued at 2/6d - he was 13 years old and had been turned in by his own father! He survived to marry three times and died in Parramatta in 1890. Sarah Ann's mother was Louisa Lewis who was born in Murrumbidgee in 1863. Any news of Sarah Ann's family would be appreciated - the Dole family is alive and well in the UK.
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Hi Millflower,
I am very sorry but Marli's emails are no longer working :'( I have googled the information she gave on registering but sadly I was not able to find a way to contact her.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi saw a Cummins married to a Shiel in Mountrath RC parish. Cummins mountrath were Police and !moved to Rahan Offaly. generations later a mary Anne Cummins returned to Ballyfin.
Anne