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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: kieran257 on Sunday 06 February 11 02:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I am hoping that someone can help me. I need a map or the graveyard of St Kentigern's Cemetery, 951 Balmore Road, Glasgow to help locate the grave of my grandfathers brother.
I have the grave reference etc but I don't know what way the graves are numbered.
Or maybe someone can tell me what way the graveyard is numbered so that I can find the grave.
I am completing all this research for an elderly auntie who would love for me to find the grave and hopefully find a headstone.
Thanks for all your help and assistance
Kieran
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Hi Kieran,
Lost your personal e-mail address (when Santa brought me a new laptop).
E-mail me, which will give me your e-mail address and I'll send you a Section Map of St. Kentigern's.
It's not that great, but at least it identifies the sections.
Anne
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Hi I am visiting Glasgow later on this month and I want to see my husband's grandfather's grave so I would also be interested if you have a map of St Kentigerns.
Thank you
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Thanks for your reply. Can you send me your email address and I will send you a copy.
I notice that you have the surname Gallagher in your list is any of your connection to the Gallaghers in Co Donegal.
Thanks
Kieran
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Hi Anne
If you have a map of St Kentigern's in Glasgow, could you send me a copy please. I have just found the lair numbers for my great grandparents and grandparents graves but I don't know how the numbering works. My email address is (*)
Thanks for your help.
Alex
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Hi Kieran
I've just discovered my great Uncle was buried in St Kentigerns, I'm from Belfast so dont know the area may I have a copy of your map please.
Many thanks
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St Kentigern's Section Map in 'Technicolour'! ;D
Anne
Anne has reported an error on this map. Please see page 8 , reply #64
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Thats fantastic.
jane
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Well done Anne!
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Thanks Anne - that's a great help.
Alex
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just little tip if anyone going to st kentigerns tha balmore entrance is very muddy to get in best way is enter thru western necropolis at cadder then right at cremetorium you wont get in with a car at balmore road
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You're quite right Harry although there's a vehicular entrance straight into St. K's about 100 yards down the road from the entrance to the West Nec.
I've been playing with maps again, and have marked both vehicular entrances with blue dots, and the original entrance to Lambhill with a red X.
The simplest way (I've found) is to turn off Balmore Road at the traffic lights into Skirsa Street, then take either the second or third turning to the right which both lead onto Tresta Road. The entrance to St. Kentigern's is exactly opposite the top of Fara Street (which you can't see because of the red letters!) and the Western Necropolis/Crematorium is just along the road.
wn = Western Necropolis, sk = St. Kentigern's
Anne
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Hi there, just want to say I am new here and wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction, how would I go about finding out a number of a buriel of someone buried in St Kentigern's.
Also, probably not the right place to ask, how do I go about finding out about Irish connections, as I have gone back as far as I can and the lady at the geneology office said that Ireland is a bit like a black hole if you don't have much information.
Thank you.
Tricia ???
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Hi Tricia,
I have just seen your post and I am willing to try and help you as I am orginally from Ireland. You don't say what part of Ireland your relatives are from. I will send you a PM with my email address so you can contact me directly.
All the best for now
Kieran
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Hi Kieran and Tricia
Tricia, welcome to RootsChat :)
Just for info, Tricia needs to have posted at least 2/3 times on the main boards before the private message service (PMs) is activated.
Monica
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Hello MonicaL,
Thank you for your help, all help is gratefully accepted & thankyou for your warm welcome :)
I am wishing I had found this site years ago.
Hi Kieran,
As to your question, my problem is I am not 100% sure as to how to go about finding out where in Ireland I need to look, would I be able to find out when and where they moved to Glasgow from, I am thinking it might have been during the famine, vague I know.
Thank you for offering to help.
Tricia :)
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Tricia, why don't you start by just posting your first family group with names and birth years etc to get the ball rolling.
Monica
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Thank you Monica, although I feel I have slightly digressed on some way, my original question was asking how I would go about getting information as to where in St. Kentigern's I could find out where someone was buried, as in plot numbers etc., Thank you for any information.
Tricia
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Agree, Tricia :) A new separate post would probably be best.
Monica
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My father drew up the original plan for the plots in St Kent's for his father Francis McGlynn (superintendant). He would have been interested to see this map, though he is now part of it.
Great post. Anybody thinking of visiting should check the Mitchell Library as they have the lists for St Kent's. It will generally give you name, date of death, and age. Interesting for yong children dying who may not appear on other records.
This was built in the country and my grandfather was buried at the edge, on the hill to avoid the swampy areas. It now has houses backing on to it.
Note that unlike today these older plots were for 8 bodies not 6. Many were gifted to the church where there may have been a husband and wife with no children, or they lived further afield. You may look at the grave with a different name on it although you have a plot number for your relation. Note that the people buried in others plots were usually on the Poor Law and the Mitchell again has the old Poor Law books with a Computer reference.
regards, Dave McGlynn
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Very interesting information Dave, thanks.
My paternal grandparents are interred here but not in the same grave. My grandfather died from war wounds whilst home on leave during The Great War, and is buried in a Commonwealth War Grave. (My granny subsequently re-married and is with her 2nd husband).
About 22 years ago I wrote to Glasgow Cemeteries Dept (at that time in the Trongate) asking for details of my grandfather's last resting place, supplying his exact date & place of death, next of kin and parents names. They charged me a fortune (back then) and then told me there was no record of him being there. I then wrote to the War Graves Commission, down in Kent I think (before the era of websites and emails) and got a reply by return of post with the grave and section number, free of charge.
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Lodger - if you don't mind me asking, is your grandfather amongst those listed on the Scottish War Graves Project's site?
As you probably know, I've trekked the length & breadth of St. K's to try and find not only the CWGC stones, but the family stones for men and women killed in action etc.
I'd hate to think I'd missed him!
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=139&highlight=kentigerns&mforum=scottishwargraves
Anne
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Anne,
There never was a stone at his grave, I've no idea why or what the criteria was to have a stone erected but, he is commemorated on the large memorial in the cemetery. (I discovered that quite by chance).
Lodger
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Oh that's a shame.
As his name is on the 'Screen Wall', it means his grave was in a Common Ground part.
BUT, if you look closely at the photos of the screen wall on SWGP, you'll see each name has a reference beside it. These numbers are the lair numbers, so I would imagine you could find out exactly where he is. St. K's burial records are usually very good and there's a Register of Burials in Common Ground held at the Mitchell Library.
If you like, PM me his name and I can send you a close-up of the name panels (including close-ups of each individual) where you could see the reference more clearly.
Anne
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Hi Anne,
As I have already mentioned, the CWGC gave me the lair details and I have been to visit the plot which, I can assure you, as I did ask at the time, is not common ground (I wonder how it could be when it was purched by the CWGC?). As for the photographs, I took some about 10 years ago of the memorial (I understand it has since been replaced) so I wouldn't require any more. I seem to remember that there were only about a dozen or so names on the memorial, so I think you must be refering to some other memorial when you talk about a Screen Wall. I haven't been to see that one.
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For the Lodger,
There was no criteria for a gravestone. Like today you had to pay for it and most people would not think of putting one up as they knew where the grave was and visited at the annual mass.
My own grandfather's was a stone that fell off a sarcophagus and his son Charlie who was working there had it engraved for the price of a packet of cigarettes.
Try the Church of the Immaculate Conception who may have St Mary's records which may give you more information. At least they will know where the records are.
Regards, Dave.
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This wee photo is the 'Screen Wall' in Section 5. The title 'Screen Wall' is the name CWGC give to these types of memorials.
Thankfully the fir trees around it have been recently cut down.
I meant no offence/disrespect about your grandfather's lair. Many CWGC burials were in Common Ground and even then, the rule about no stones being allowed was upheld.
Next door in Lambhill, there are a good few CWGC stones bearing the inscription 'Known to be buried (elsewhere) in this Cemetery' - these stones have been erected but do not actually mark the graves/lairs as these burials were in common ground, so the stones simply commemorate the person and the place of their burial.
I would get in touch with CWGC and enquire why there was never an individual stone. New/replacement stones are erected all the time due either to maybe an existing family stone toppling/becoming illegible or to new discoveries - i.e. 'non-commemorated' or 'in from the cold' personnel who have been found to have been buried in 'X' location but have previously had an 'unknown' burial location on CWGC's database.
Anne
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There are two of the above type of stones in St. Kentigerns ......
There is a wee row of CWGC stones which sit behind, and backing onto the screen wall in Section 5.
Two of these are 'Special Memorials' - stones which commemorate, but do not mark the actual graves.
J. Devlin, Royal Artillery is buried in Section 11. Grave 1558 and J. Higgins, Pioneer Corps although buried in Section 5, Lair 1903 this stone is not in that actual 'spot'.
You'll notice the slight difference in wording at the top - Joseph Devlin's says "Known to be buried in this Cemetery" while John Higgins' says "Buried in this Cemetery"
Anne
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My Great Uncle, William White is also buried at St, Kentigens, so the information from previous postings have been very helpful. William fell from, his ship, HMS Nereide in dry dock in Glasgow 30th June 1915. I am trying to gather information regarding the circumstances leading to his death. The cause of death is stated as. "killed or died by means other than disease, accident or enemy action" which sounds very confusing. if anyone visits the newspaper archives and find any info I would be most greatfull. Also my great Aunt Honorah White, who was a Nun ( known as Sister Anthony, died at Poor claires convent laswade rd, Liberton, Edinburgh. However the convent I believe has beeen converted into housing. I wondered if anyone knows whwere the nuns are buried. she died Jan 1959
many thanks
frank White
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Anne , Just don,t believe it. My great Uncle name is on the bottom right of your St kentigens memorial picture
Many Thanks
Frank
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Hello Frank,
I've sent you a PM.
Anne
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Hi kieran357, I came across your post while doing some family research. My family is Gallagher from Donegal, my auntie is also Gallagher and I am trying to find her brothers grave who she believes was buried in St. kentigerns circa 1950. Any help would be much appreciated, I believe that the Mitchel has recordd of burials for this place at this era. Thamks in advance, Walter.
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Hi Walter,
Thanks for your reply. From memory if you email the Mitchel library they will look up the death records for you. What part of Donegal was your Gallaghers from as I have Gallaghers from Donegal in my tree.
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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Hi Kieran, my family and the Gallaghers I was looking for are from the Creeslough area. I am just back from the Mitchel, I found him all I have to do now is locate the lair from the No., I don't think it was marked at the time. WW
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Hi, First off,thank you for the map of the burial ground at st kentigerns, i am looking for a plot that is in area 13, i have the plot number but have no idea how to find its whereabouts
I walked round in circles on sunday looking for the plot( i believe it may have no headstone)does anyone know how the numbers work ? or where i can find the information
cheers
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Hi Gerry,
As you'll know, Section 13 is in 2 parts, one either side of the main road and quite a big area to cover ......
A wee tip I use is to visit the Commonwealth War Graves site and see if I can find any 1st/2nd World War graves as near as I can to what I'm looking for in a particular section.
See: http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=name&order=asc
The above link should take you to the first page for St. Kentigerns and once you get there, go through all the pages and note down all the names and lair numbers for each grave in Section 13. You'll eventually be able to figure out how the numbers run, but it won't be a five minute job once you get there!!
Alternatively, if you can go along Monday-Friday, there's usually either groundsmen around somewhere or there's someone in the wee office beside the crematorium (at the Western Necropolis gate further up the hill). They're usually very helpful but they can be quite hard to find as they work between all 3 cemeteries and you know how huge the area is.
Good luck!
Anne
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Forgot to say - Welcome to Rootschat! :)
Anne
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Hi gerry222, the individual rows all run consecutively however they don't necessarily run in order from row to row. The lairs are laid out at 3 foot centres so you just have to count the gaps in your final tally. What is the lair number? Walter.
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Thanks Anne for the information and the welcome ! i will look into that site and hopefully it leads to me finding the plot
cheers
Pocketslint/ walter the lair number is 1731, hope this helps
cheers
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I will have a look the next time I am up there, Good Luck, Walter.
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Gerry/Walter,
Lair 1731 will be on the right hand side almost right up at the top (at the end of the back gardens beside the railings)
Have a look here: (The Scottish War Graves Project)
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=139&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120&mforum=scottishwargraves
Go to page 9 and scroll down to you reach the photo of the stone of James Patrick Hughes, R.A.F. You'll see the railings in the background of the photo and once you find that stone, you'll be very close.
This is Section 13, Lair 1773, so the one you're looking for will most likely be in the row facing.
Good luck!!
Anne :)
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Thanks Anne, I will check that out. I couldn't help but notice that one of those war dead was 61 years! Walter.
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:) Hi gerry222, I found lair No. 1731 section 13 easily enough, it remains unmarked. I didn't have my phone/camera with me but the directions are quite simple if you are interested. Walter.
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:) Hi gerry222, I found lair No. 1731 section 13 easily enough, it remains unmarked. I didn't have my phone/camera with me but the directions are quite simple if you are interested. Walter.
Walter i would be very grateful if you could point me in the direction of the plot. This is my mothers grave, she died 6 months after i was born, the plot was her fathers, it may seem odd that i am now looking for it, but we moved away, and now that my father has died, i really want to find it
Thank you to anne for all your efforts they are greatly appreciated, and walter thanks in advance
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Hi Gerry, not strange at all and I am more than willing to help. I live a couple of miles from st.kentigerns and I would be happy to show you however I don't know if that is allowed. Having said that it shouldn't be a problem. Enter st. kentigerns at tresta road, the memorial masons portacabin on your right and plan of the cemetery to your front. Go up the road to your left to the first metalled path on your right/opposite the third path on your left(It will make sense on the ground)you are now at the far end of section 13 to the right/section 13 being split in two by the main or central path(Consult the map)Lair 1731 is about 4 double rows from the top of the hill or railings as Anne said earlier, facing up the hill towards the railings. There is a prominent stone cross on the next row up. 4or5 lairs in is the grave of Alexander Cormack, May 1946, this is marked on the side as 13/1733, next to that are two unmarked lairs, the second being 1731 next to a rotund headstone of Francis P. Mains, Nov 1944. To confirm the numerical direction in which they are laid out, the next numbered lair is, I think McGowan, numbered clearly as 1714. If you pace out the difference, counting from 1714 you will arrive back at the spot previously indicated, or 1731. They are about a pace between at this point in the cemetery. Any further help I can be I will be happy to oblige, I have just found my aunts brothers grave nearby from 1952, they too moved away. Walter.
p.s. I did see the grave Annne mentioned earlier as a spotter to 1731, there are quite a few military graves around there. WW
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Hi Gerry, not strange at all and I am more than willing to help. I live a couple of miles from st.kentigerns and I would be happy to show you however I don't know if that is allowed. Having said that it shouldn't be a problem. Enter st. kentigerns at tresta road, the memorial masons portacabin on your right and plan of the cemetery to your front. Go up the road to your left to the first metalled path on your right/opposite the third path on your left(It will make sense on the ground)you are now at the far end of section 13 to the right/section 13 being split in two by the main or central path(Consult the map)Lair 1731 is about 4 double rows from the top of the hill or railings as Anne said earlier, facing up the hill towards the railings. There is a prominent stone cross on the next row up. 4or5 lairs in is the grave of Alexander Cormack, May 1946, this is marked on the side as 13/1733, next to that are two unmarked lairs, the second being 1731 next to a rotund headstone of Francis P. Mains, Nov 1944. To confirm the numerical direction in which they are laid out, the next numbered lair is, I think McGowan, numbered clearly as 1714. If you pace out the difference, counting from 1714 you will arrive back at the spot previously indicated, or 1731. They are about a pace between at this point in the cemetery. Any further help I can be I will be happy to oblige, I have just found my aunts brothers grave nearby from 1952, they too moved away. Walter.
p.s. I did see the grave Annne mentioned earlier as a spotter to 1731, there are quite a few military graves around there. WW
Brilliant stuff mate, i will be up there on sunday, thank you very much, you have saved me a lot of hassle
cheers
gerry
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No probs Gerry, I will try and post a few phots before Sunday, good luck.
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CORRECTION! Sorry Gerry, when you enter gate at Tresta road, take the road to your right, not the left as I stated earlier, to the right back towards Balmore Road, Walter.
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Not long back from St. Kentigerns, we found the plot fairly easily thanks to your directions Walter. It says a lot about you that you put yourself out to help me in this matter, i cant thank you enough
cheers
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What goes around comes around Gerry222, pass on the goodwill, good Karma to you and yours, Walter.
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I would just like to thank Anne for the map of st kentigerns
My dad wanted to find his mums grave as she died when he was 8 (1945) and He and his brothers got scattered to different aunties
We found her records at the Mitchell library and got lair numbers etc
We went to saint kentigerns today and asked the squad of gravediggers we seen who took us up to the area and we found the lair ,your map was spot on and so were the council boys
The only thing to look out for when checking recordswas my dad said she was buried in lamb hill and I got the records for there ,it was only after looking at burial grounds in the library that I noticed that st kentigerns was on its own
My old mans now a happy man and is looking into a headstone
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hi tricia55, the mitchel library had the records for st kentigerns on microfiche at the beginning of the year. I was looking for a lair myself at that time , (which I have since found) and was told that the records at that time were through in Edinburgh getting digitalised and would be available in that format after easter, now past. Contact cems and crems at Glasgow and give them as much info as you have i.e. full name, date of death, address :Detc., and they should be able to help you quite quickly. In my experience they are very helpful and only too willing to assist. Walter.
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The rolls of microfilm are still kept at the Mitchell Library on the third floor. It's the actual Burial/Lair Owners Registers held by the Archives (2nd Floor) which were taken to be digitised.
The date for release and format seems still to be anybody's guess though! ::)
In general, the microfilms only go up to the 1950's, so information on more recent burials would have to be sought from Glasgow City Council.
As regards 'Lambhill' ..... although there's 3 cemeteries all sitting side by side (Lambhill, St. Kentigern's and the Western Necropolis), they are commonly referred to 'collectively' as Lambhill as that's the name of the area in which they are located.
Anne :)
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Thanks for the update on the files Anne. It is also possible to get lair/section info for St. kentigerns from the parish records if you know which parish officiated at the burial. Some lairs were even bought on behalf of the parish and given to parishoners who did not have the means. WW.
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Hi Jane,
Thanks for your reply. Can you send me your email address and I will send you a copy.
I notice that you have the surname Gallagher in your list is any of your connection to the Gallaghers in Co Donegal.
Thanks
Kieran
Hi Kerian I noticed that you have asked about Gallagher born over in Ireland at co Dongal. Could you please contact me as I'm am trying to do research into my family tree
Many thanks
Ryan
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Hi Ryan,
Just seen your message is your relatives from Gortahork Donegal by any chance?
Thanks
Kieran
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Kieran - I am interested in Gallaghers from Gortahork. You can contact me at my email, please.
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Would one of you posters who has access to the map of St. Kentigern's please send me a copy? I am trying to find a plot for one of my relative's family. Thank you.
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Hi Irishlassie, Do you have a lair number and the section number for St. Kentigerns?
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Hi Irish Lassie,
If you go back to page 1 of this thread the map is there.
All you need to do is copy!
Anne :)
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Hi, I was wondering if someone who has a copy of the map of st kentigern's could please email me a copy of it?
Thank
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Does any one know if there is a section 18 as there isn't on the map
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Hi Natalie,
Yes, there is a section 18 (well, two actually).
I'm afraid I'm the guilty party here and I must apologise for putting the WRONG numbers on 18.
Section 18 is split into 2 parts and sits between the two 13's and the two 20's.
If you click on the map on the first page of this thread and save it to your computer, you should be able to print it out. If however, you intend to visit St. K's, I believe a section map has been erected at the entrance.
Anne
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Okay thank you for reply, Would you by any chance know if there is a plot 467 in secion 18 as am not to sure how the plot numbers work?
Thanks
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Here's another map with the CORRECT sections marked on it this time!
I tried to go back and delete the original but unfortunately there's no 'modify' button.
Anne
(The two red X's mark the entrance)
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Thank you, this is very helpful
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The numbers go up to over a thousand in most sections.
The only way to find it is basically to walk up and down each row and see if you can find a number on any of the stones - the number (if there is one) is usually on the base somewhere.
It'll just be a case that when you find some numbered stones, you'll have to try and figure out how the rows run.
Alternatively, if you visit during 'office hours', try the wee office which is at the next entrance up next to the Crematorium in the Western Necropolis. If all else fails, and you can find/see any maintenance men, they are very helpful, unless of course they are attending at a funeral.
Anne
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Hi Natalie, do you live in or near Glasgow? Walter.
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Hi Walter,
I stay in glasgow in Springburn
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Hi again Natalie, just follow the instructions from AP and you won't go far wrong. There are 3 foot centres between the lairs. Find out what direction the numbers are going and work it out from the nearest confirmed number. They are not all marked. I am up there regularly, I'll have a look for you the next time I'm up. Are you expecting the grave to be marked? any dates? names etc,? WW
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The grave would be unmarked, the name of the plot is highlands but there is no gravestone on it
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That's not uncommon. I'll post before the weekend if I come across anything. The Cems and Crems Dept will mark a grave on request, however I'm not too sure if they charge for this, they didn't used to. Some are easier to find than others. Here's hoping, you may get lucky, Ill be in touch, WW.
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Hi Natalie, I found your grave. It is marked and someone has attended to it in the recent past. Do you intend to visit? and if so will you be going by car, WW
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I took some phots, can anyone please walk me through the upload format, Walter.
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Hi Walter,
To upload a photo, you have to make sure it's quite a small file size (500 kb) or it will be rejected.
Simply write your post then click on 'Attachments and other options' and you'll see an 'Attach' option (Choose File).
Click on 'Choose File' and another window will open up with more options and these are asking where your photo is on your computer.
Once you find the photo, click on the 'Open' tab, this will attach it to your post, then click on the usual red 'Post' tab and that's it (hopefully!!).
Anne :)
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Thanks Anne, I'll give that a go, Walter.
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Hi Anne, I'm afraid the file is too large (782kb). I'm out of my depth here, Walter.
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Hi Walter,
If you like, I could do it for you as I have photo editing software and could probably reduce the size.
I'll send you a PM with my personal e-mail address.
Anne :)
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Okay Anne, thanks for your help. Walter.
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Photo kindly taken by Walter.
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Thanks Anne, lair 467/18 is the small marker to the right of this picture, WW.
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Is that the grave a was looking for walter?
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Is it the gravestone with the love heart on it or the bit of it
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That's the one Natalie No. 467/18 St. Kentigerns today pm. Yes it's the one with small heart shaped marker. The small wooden post left of picture is the grave immediately to the left of yours. 3 foot centres. WW.
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Ok thank you so much
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No probs, are you planning to visit? If so will you be going by car. Anne has kindly agreed to publish some phots and I can guide you "on" if I know which direction you will be coming from, WW.
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Yes I am going to try get up tonight by car
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Okay, good day for it. I will contact Anne and ask her to post directions with phot/markers. Walter.
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Okay thank you, where the flowers there when you found it?
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Yes, they're plastic but have only been there fairly recently, WW.
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Okay thanks
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Walter's photos.
I'll add them separately in case the size together makes them too big.
Photo 1
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Photo 2
Enter St Kentigern's via gates on Tresta Road. (nb This is not the crematorium entrance).
Follow past the masons portakabin on the right and follow the road up and over the hill until you come to the first "Tarmac Crossroads".
Turn left here and about 3 or 4 lanes in you will see the following:
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With this tree to your right hand side follow that lane almost to the end. Your grave is on the left just past a large stone named "Power". This stone is clearly numbered on the bottom right as 464? Your lair will be 9ft past this. Walter.
p.s. Big thanks to Anne in publishing the phots. Incidently it shuts quite early. WW
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Ok thank you do you k ow what time
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I'm not too sure but I think its about 8pm. If you haven't left already it's probably too late. It's only a problem if you take a car in, WW.
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Okay thank you so much u have been really helpful
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No probs, Anne was a big help. I've just googled it. 18'00 hrs in summer. It's shut already. But don't lose heart you have the phots and the grave isn't going anywhere soon. Good luck, WW.
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Photo 3
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Sorry, duplicate post
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Taken from the map at the entrance.
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1350/dy1x.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/34/dy1x.jpg/)
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Hi! Completely new to the site and not technically adept. However, would be so grateful to receive a map of St Kentigern's cemetery in Glasgow to help find a friend's mother's grave. She died when he was four. We have the lair number, section and class. can you help.
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Hi, I take it that your name is Maureen, Give us all that you have, names, dates, lair number, section number etc. is the grave marked? It shouldn't be too hard to find from there, Walter.
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Hi, I take it that your name is Maureen, Give us all that you have, names, dates, lair number, section number etc. is the grave marked? It shouldn't be too hard to find from there, Walter.
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Thanks for your response. Lair no is 1422. Section 6, class A. Name is Annie McBride buried 20 December, 1948
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Hi again Maureen, I will check that out for you if we get a break in the weather over the weekend if you want. Do you expect the grave to be marked ie does it have a headstone? Are there any other incumbents (Names) that will be on that headstone? Will you be looking to visit the grave? I can give you the general details if you want to go looking for yourself, they have all been posted on this site previously, WW.
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Hi again Maureen, I will check that out for you if we get a break in the weather over the weekend if you want. Do you expect the grave to be marked ie does it have a headstone? Are there any other incumbents (Names) that will be on that headstone? Will you be looking to visit the grave? I can give you the general details if you want to go looking for yourself, they have all been posted on this site previously, WW.
Hi, I take it that your name is Maureen, Give us all that you have, names, dates, lair number, section number etc. is the grave marked? It shouldn't be too hard to find from there, Walter.
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Thanks so much, pockets link. Don't know about headstone, but maiden name was Gallagher so may be family grave. Hope to visit st kentigern's on Tues 18th with Annie's son and young grandson
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Would that be the Donegal Gallaghers? lol. My own family is Gallagher on my mothers side. I will search it out and let you know what to expect. It always seems much, much wetter up there, WW.
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Would that be the Donegal Gallaghers? lol. My own family is Gallagher on my mothers side. I will search it out and let you know what to expect. It always seems much, much wetter up there, WW.
Thanks so much, pockets link. Don't know about headstone, but maiden name was Gallagher so may be family grave. Hope to visit st kentigern's on Tues 18th with Annie's son and young grandson
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Would that be the Donegal Gallaghers? lol. My own family is Gallagher on my mothers side. I will search it out and let you know what to expect. It always seems much, much wetter up there, WW.
Thanks so much, pockets link. Don't know about headstone, but maiden name was Gallagher so may be family grave. Hope to visit st kentigern's on Tues 18th with Annie's son and young grandson
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Having difficulty navigating the intricacies of this site! Anyway, very grateful for your input. It is indeed the Donegal Gallaghers! Cheers! M
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No Probs, stick with it. I'll be in touch, WW.
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Hi Maureen, I have been up at the site and unfortunately the grave you are looking for is not marked. I am quite certain as to where it is but I would need to take up a tape measure to be concise. I have taken some phots to guide you to the site and if you PM me I will give you what I have, WW.
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Hi Maureen, I have been up at the site and unfortunately the grave you are looking for is not marked. I am quite certain as to where it is but I would need to take up a tape measure to be concise. I have taken some phots to guide you to the site and if you PM me I will give you what I have, WW.
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Many thanks. Sorry to be such a Dooley but what does pm mean? I intend visiting the cemetery on Tuesday with Annie's son who was 5 when she died. Any help to locate the grave would be most welcome. Thanks again.
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Private Message. Check the 'My Messages' header in your 'Menu Bar', WW
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Hi again, it's been over 2 hours and nothing heard so here it is in open forum. As you enter the graveyard take the road up to the right, take the first left, cross over the first cross roads and at the next go left at the War Wall Screen. Take the next right, section 6 is now on your left hand side. Stop at the row with the large bush with a large tree just further back up the row. Two of the first few grave stones are clearly numbered 1485 and 1478. This gives you your direction of travel. After about 100M you will come to a double War Grave of Peter Callaghan and John Charters Young. This grave is No. 1434 (Courtesy of Apanderson). Lairs in this section are at 3 feet centres therefore it is just a case of measuring on to locate the centre of 1422, which is within that long green expanse of the row that is unmarked. Good luck, WW.
ps The file size available here is very limited
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Hi Anne I am looking for a better map of st kenigerns if u have one please ideally section 10 trying to identify lair 598
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'Fraid not, sorry.
The CWGC stone in the photo below (Jefferson) is Section 10, Lair 560 and it's the closest I can find to Lair 598.
There's no quick way to find a specific lair - you really just have to check each stone for a number and try to figure out which way the lairs run.
You are looking for Lair 598, so if you start at Francis Jefferson's stone, the lair you're looking for will be 38 lairs away. (This could be in the same row, the row behind or the row facing depending on the numbering system)
Each Lair is 3 feet wide, so an option is to take a tape measure and make measurements in increments of three feet, or take something with you which you had pre-measured.
Of course you could go along and there's a stone there with the names you are looking for!!
Anne :)
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hi i was wondering if any one could help me i have a cousin from australia over here at the end of may and she would like to go to st ketigerns cemetery to see the family graves.
i live in plymouth devon and we can only get her to glasgow for a couple of days.
i have lair numbers and section numbers.
will the lair numbers be any where for us to see as we dont have that much time to find them.
any help would be appreciated.
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Hi Nissank, If you send me all the relevant information that you have ie., names, dates, lair and section numbers I will have a look for you, WW.
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Hi Nissank, If you send me all the relevant information that you have ie., names, dates, lair and section numbers I will have a look for you, WW.
this is so very kind of you i cant thank you enough for your offer of help
i have attached pictures all i have but hope they help
regards kathy
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Hi Kathy, it shouldn't be a problem, I'll be in touch, WW.
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Hi, I am just new to the site so please bear with me.
I am trying to find where my grandparents are buried, I have the Section, Lair No and there was a memorial headstone placed, but no matter how long I look I can't find it. Unfortunately as I work I can only go weekends and there is noone there from the Cemetery staff to help.
I have a copy of the Title Deeds as they are detailed as follows:
Reference No. 14W31476
Cert No. 11149
Lair No. 667
Class B
Section 9
I know that Section 9 is split into two part and it also encroaches slightly into Section 10
The headstone was placed approximately June 1981 and the name would be Fitzpatrick
I also know that the lair held three and buried there are Thomas Fitzpatrick my great grandfather, Thomas Murphy my uncle and Joseph Fitzpatrick my grandfather, my grandmothers ashes were scattered there Catherine Fitzpatrick.
The headstone was erected by A. Jaconelli & Sons and the paperwork I have here is dated 09/06/1981
Unfortunately I have found that Section 9 has many headstones that have been damaged and I can only presume that this has happened to my grandparents.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Hello
I have just joined this forum and hope someone can help.
I'm trying to find the Lair that my grandparents and aunt are buried in at St Kentigerns, Glasgow. I used to visit with my mother who has now passed away and twice my brother and I have been to try and find it with no luck, there are a few damaged stones knocked over in general are and it may be one of those.
I managed to get section and lair number which is section 22, Lair 549, the names on the stone are Mary Hervey (nee Platt), Mary Platt and Francis Platt with dates from 1969 to 1990.
Can anyone tell me how the rows etc work as it seems to be 2 big sections according to the map and I really want to find it this time so we can get it repaired and cleaned up.
Many thanks
Fiona
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Fiona, my parents are in Section 20 lair no 1356 My dad died August 1967 and the person to the right of him is september 1967. I will be at the cemetery over the weekend and will have a look for you. If you look on a stone already placed there should be a number and that is the lair number you could possibly work it out from there. You could always call the cemetery and give them the details and ask them to place a marker, I did this with my grandparents recently, I told them I had searched for months and couldn't find it (the stone had fallen over) and they called me back and told me they had placed the stone upright and once I found it I replaced the broken headstone. I have the cemetery managers mobile number but don;t want to put it on the public forum.
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Hello Carol
if you would be able to have a quick look that would be very kind of you and much appreciated, my brother lives abroad and we have spent a good 6 hours at least searching on 2 occasions in what we thought was the area and came to the conclusion the stone was lying face down.
We really want to find it so we can look after it as there is no one else left in the family to do it and my Mum would have wanted that.
I managed to find the lair number by going through the Mitchell library with the little information I had as could not remember dates and have no death certificates and they were very helpful.
If you have any luck please let me know and if not I'll try and get that number off you to call the cemetery.
Kind regards
Fiona
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Fiona have sent you a pm
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Hi to all you people interested in St Kentigern's. I found this thread purely by chance.I don't know why I haven't tried to find family graves in Glasgow before, I just assumed it would be a difficult task. So I visited The Mitchell this week on a whim and within 20 minutes of using their microfilm records found four family members in two graves in St Kentigern's.
I have section 2 lair 1471 and section 6 lair 2167. The family name is McElhinney.
I asked about the lair registers and was told that they are still in Edinburgh for digitisation. I note in this thread a similar comment from four years ago! I was also advised that for a fee of about £10 I can ask for the info I'm seeking but it could take up to 8 weeks for a reply. I'll pass.
Today I visited the cemetery for the first time (I've recently moved to the Maryhill area, so I'm close by). I doubt if there will be any headstones so this visit was more to get an idea of the look of the place. I have copy of the Glasgow City Council's cemetery map from the Mitchell's Family History website. I've noticed a slight difference between this and the one originally added to this thread. The council's map shows part of section 2 next to section 13, whereas the other shows this part as section 12. Could someone check for me please?
I didn't find the grave locations and trying to find the numbers on those stones still existing was not easy. I'd be grateful for any advice otherwise I'll visit another time when there might be staff around.
Denis
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I have made to Glasgow from Los Angeles, just for a crazy 24 hours. I am heading to St. Kentigerns tomorrow, Monday. Any words of wisdom or helpful hints are grateful appreciated.
My Aunt, Robina McCann died at 2yrs in the late 1920s. Hopefully be found buried in St. Kentigern's cemetery in the north of Glasgow section, 6 lair, number 744, class A , registration 7663 .
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Hi
There's a Robina McCann, died Govan in 1927, age 1
Hopefully be found buried in St. Kentigern's cemetery in the north of Glasgow section, 6 lair, number 744, class A , registration 7663 .
If I've got this right (no guarantee!) here's the lair book with that (need to be logged in)
Robina, 16 April 1927
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-19PS-H?i=813&cat=1321853
Register of lair owners - James Murphy, seems to tie in with the burial of Rose Ann Murphy in October 1908
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-Y9JQ-L?i=576&cat=1321853
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Hi all,
Can anyone tell me who I would need to contact to put up a headstone on my great uncles grave to mark it as I know his grave number in this Cemetery.
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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You would need to get in touch with Glasgow City Council, see:
https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=17175
Anne :)
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Hi Anne,
I have contacted the council to see how much it will cost etc to put a memorial up.
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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Hi
I am looking for any help as to find a grave in St Kentigern's section 12. L 256 either B or C can't make it out . Does anyone know if this section has a lot of headstones as I have no idea how to find it. I would really luv to get a headstone if not. I have a map of the section but unsure how big it is. Here would lay my great grandmother Rose who died in 1942 and my my uncle John at 3 days and a cousin Robert of 6 months. With 9 siblings i think it was whoever had space and family scattered all over the place. I would really appreciate any help or advice. Many thanks
Joanne
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Wonder if anyone can help? Can anyone tell me how I can I go about getting the lair number etc of a grave in St. Kentigerns, I understand my grandmother is buried there but have no other information.
Many thanks in advance.
Jay
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The Family History section in the Mitchell Library has the burials for St Kentigern's. Assuming you know a date of death you can visibly examine the records which are in date order and look through the days after the death. That will give you the lair number and location.
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Hi
I am looking for any help as to find a grave in St Kentigern's section 12. L 256 either B or C can't make it out . Does anyone know if this section has a lot of headstones as I have no idea how to find it. I would really luv to get a headstone if not. I have a map of the section but unsure how big it is. Here would lay my great grandmother Rose who died in 1942 and my my uncle John at 3 days and a cousin Robert of 6 months. With 9 siblings i think it was whoever had space and family scattered all over the place. I would really appreciate any help or advice. Many thanks
Joanne
The sections are not too large, but many headstones are missing. You could contact the staff at the cemetery office. They will be able to establish the exact location of the lair. I did this myself some years ago and made an appointment to go up and a staff member took me to the lair. Unfortunately, in my case, no headstone.
Hope this helps.
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Hi, I too am looking for a map of the lairs in Section 3 of St Kentigern’s RC Cemetery, Glasgow. My grampa, John Ring, is buried in Lair 442, Section 3 (Reg No 11441) and I'd like to visit it next time I'm back in Glasgow.
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Hi, I too am looking for a map of the lairs in Section 3 of St Kentigern’s RC Cemetery, Glasgow. My grampa, John Ring, is buried in Lair 442, Section 3 (Reg No 11441) and I'd like to visit it next time I'm back in Glasgow.
Here is a map showing the sections. If you are their during the week you can ask cemetery staff who may be able to help locate the lair. If not go to the section and look at some headstones where you should find a lair reference enscribed on the side or edge
Hope that helps
https://www.glasgowfamilyhistory.org.uk/ExploreRecords/Documents/St%20Kentigerns%20Cemetery%20Plan.pdf
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Hi
There's a Robina McCann, died Govan in 1927, age 1
Hopefully be found buried in St. Kentigern's cemetery in the north of Glasgow section, 6 lair, number 744, class A , registration 7663 .
If I've got this right (no guarantee!) here's the lair book with that (need to be logged in)
Robina, 16 April 1927
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-19PS-H?i=813&cat=1321853
Register of lair owners - James Murphy, seems to tie in with the burial of Rose Ann Murphy in October 1908
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-Y9JQ-L?i=576&cat=1321853
Thank you for posting these links. I never knew FamilySearch had these online, and although not indexed I have been able to trace a lot of info for my relatives. Thanks for sharing.
Andrew
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Thanks. Yes, I knew where section 3 was, I just wondered if there was a plan/layout available indicating the location of the lairs there. Thanks for the info on the Lair Book, appreciated!
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Following some help I received via this thread I accessed the non indexed images on line at FamilySearch. Most records for St Kentigern's are available, but there are four films not yet uploaded online. I have made a request via FS for these to be scanned and put online. No guarantee it will happen tho I cannot see copyright or privacy being an issue as more recent records are already available on FS. If they appear I will post on here.
Requested records :-
Daily interment books, 1882-July 1909, British Film 1574797
Daily interment books, July 1909-March 1926, British Film 1574798
Daily interment books, March 1926-September 1943, British Film, 1574799
Daily interment books, September 1943-July 1967, British Film, 1574805
Andrew
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The Family History section in the Mitchell Library has the burials for St Kentigern's. Assuming you know a date of death you can visibly examine the records which are in date order and look through the days after the death. That will give you the lair number and location.
Thank you so much for the information, very much appreciated!
Jay
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The Family History section in the Mitchell Library has the burials for St Kentigern's. Assuming you know a date of death you can visibly examine the records which are in date order and look through the days after the death. That will give you the lair number and location.
Thank you so much for the information, very much appreciated!
Jay
You are very welcome. Since I replied to your earlier post I found a lot of info for St Kentigerns on FamilySearch. See my posts on p 16 of this thread. If you have a date of death you should be able to find it on those records. If you give me a name and date I can have a quick look .
Andrew
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Following some help I received via this thread I accessed the non indexed images on line at FamilySearch. Most records for St Kentigern's are available, but there are four films not yet uploaded online. I have made a request via FS for these to be scanned and put online. No guarantee it will happen tho I cannot see copyright or privacy being an issue as more recent records are already available on FS. If they appear I will post on here.
Requested records :-
Daily interment books, 1882-July 1909, British Film 1574797
Daily interment books, July 1909-March 1926, British Film 1574798
Daily interment books, March 1926-September 1943, British Film, 1574799
Daily interment books, September 1943-July 1967, British Film, 1574805
Andrew
Just an update. The remaining films have now been digitised by FamilySearch and are online
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Andrew
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Thanks again Andrew but I have absolutely no idea how to search these records...think I must be missing something!! If your kind offer still stands my grandmothers name is Bridget Johnston died 18 December 1954. Many thanks in advance.
Jay
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Thanks again Andrew but I have absolutely no idea how to search these records...think I must be missing something!! If your kind offer still stands my grandmothers name is Bridget Johnston died 18 December 1954. Many thanks in advance.
Jay
I have sent you a PM with the links to the images.
Andrew
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Following some help I received via this thread I accessed the non indexed images on line at FamilySearch. Most records for St Kentigern's are available, but there are four films not yet uploaded online. I have made a request via FS for these to be scanned and put online. No guarantee it will happen tho I cannot see copyright or privacy being an issue as more recent records are already available on FS. If they appear I will post on here.
Requested records :-
Daily interment books, 1882-July 1909, British Film 1574797
Daily interment books, July 1909-March 1926, British Film 1574798
Daily interment books, March 1926-September 1943, British Film, 1574799
Daily interment books, September 1943-July 1967, British Film, 1574805
Andrew
Just an update. The remaining films have now been digitised by FamilySearch and are online
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Andrew
hi I can get the lair records on familysearch but just wondered if you could tell me is there a quick way of getting to what you want rather than search all the pages one by one many thanks
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Hi,
The records are not indexed so there is no search facility as such. However, if you have a date, or even a year for a death it's actually quite easy to locate. Simply study the description of each film in the catalog summary here https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853?availability=Family%20History%20Library and determine which film it will be on. Some films are daily burial records and some are Lair registers that show all burials in that lair. Start with the daily interments. If you view the film using the "multiple image " option ( at left hand side of page ), you will see occasional black separators, these give the contents of the following section of the film which is usually split into groups of years, so you can quickly jump through say 50 / 100 pages at a time to find the section and locate the year and the record within the year. They are in chronological order. Remember these are BURIAL dates, so you need to check a few days beyond the date of death or even more. For example, I had an uncle killed in action in WW2, so it was 4 weeks later before his body was repatriated for burial.
Sorry if that seems like "teaching granny to suck eggs ". Hope it helps, but if you get stuck PM me and I'll see if I can help.
Andrew
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Hi,
The records are not indexed so there is no search facility as such. However, if you have a date, or even a year for a death it's actually quite easy to locate. Simply study the description of each film in the catalog summary here https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853?availability=Family%20History%20Library and determine which film it will be on. Some films are daily burial records and some are Lair registers that show all burials in that lair. Start with the daily interments. If you view the film using the "multiple image " option ( at left hand side of page ), you will see occasional black separators, these give the contents of the following section of the film which is usually split into groups of years, so you can quickly jump through say 50 / 100 pages at a time to find the section and locate the year and the record within the year. They are in chronological order. Remember these are BURIAL dates, so you need to check a few days beyond the date of death or even more. For example, I had an uncle killed in action in WW2, so it was 4 weeks later before his body was repatriated for burial.
Sorry if that seems like "teaching granny to suck eggs ". Hope it helps, but if you get stuck PM me and I'll see if I can help.
Andrew
[/quote hi Andrew thank you very much I will try this very kind of you to explain]
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Hi,
The records are not indexed so there is no search facility as such. However, if you have a date, or even a year for a death it's actually quite easy to locate. Simply study the description of each film in the catalog summary here https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853?availability=Family%20History%20Library and determine which film it will be on. Some films are daily burial records and some are Lair registers that show all burials in that lair. Start with the daily interments. If you view the film using the "multiple image " option ( at left hand side of page ), you will see occasional black separators, these give the contents of the following section of the film which is usually split into groups of years, so you can quickly jump through say 50 / 100 pages at a time to find the section and locate the year and the record within the year. They are in chronological order. Remember these are BURIAL dates, so you need to check a few days beyond the date of death or even more. For example, I had an uncle killed in action in WW2, so it was 4 weeks later before his body was repatriated for burial.
Sorry if that seems like "teaching granny to suck eggs ". Hope it helps, but if you get stuck PM me and I'll see if I can help.
Andrew
[/quote hi Andrew thank you very much I will try this very kind of you to explain]
hi thank you very much Andrew for your help it made it much easier to search
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Hi All helpful posters,
I'm trying to find out if my great grandmother has a headstone. She was buried at St Kentigerns in 1900.
I believe some of St Kentigerns Catholic Cemetery-Maryhill headstones were destroyed?? at some point,??
If so would anyone know if there were particular Lairs?
My great grandmother Susan McAdam was buried in Lair 4 /2167 I believe alongside 4 other family members. I would love to know if they had a headstone and if not I would wish to hopefully arrange one.
I'm aware I would need permission from the owner but not sure if the deeds have expired.
I have emailed the Council and await a reply,
Thanks in advance
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St Kentigern's sadly is in a fairly poor state. Many headstones are missing having been toppled either due to vandalism or for safety reasons. I am not aware of the toppled stones being stored anywhere, but perhaps someone else on here may know more.
There are still a lot of headstones in place, so it is possible a headstone may be there. I assume the lair is in Section 4 and the lair number is 2167 ? I checked the lair records on FamilySearch and there are 5 buried in that layer, with the first being April 1900. If you are interested I can send you the details.
The cemeteries department will be able to locate the position of the lair, but I think you must have the lair certificate to have a headstone erected.
Andrew
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I have visited St Kentigern's several times searching for family graves. With my ancestors, many have no headstones at all and for those lairs which do, they are broken or lying face down. The council does not remove broken or damaged headstones, they just ensure that they are not a hazard to visitors.
Finding the location of a lair within any particular section is no easy matter. The council do not provide detailed maps. In my experience, and this goes for all the other cemeteries I have visited, one needs to visit in person and ask assistance from the ground staff. I have always found grave diggers and groundsmen very helpful. If you are unable to visit in person you may have to rely on someone doing you a favour. Headstones and memorials usually have the lair number chiselled into the base somewhere. This can help to narrow down the search area.
Good luck.
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Thank you Andrew,
The details I was provided with from family in Ireland were Lair 4/2167 so I'm presuming the 4 is section four and the plot number is 2167.
I have found the records and my great grandmother was the first in April 1900 then 3 more great Uncles, I just can't work out one name, I think a great auntie, Ann or Annie but might be totally wrong.
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Looks like Ann to me ? The writing on those records is appalling at times.
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Yeah it really is hard to work that one out.
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This week I started my next project. Im going to photograph and transcribe every visible headstone (with the exception of fairly new graves) in this cemetery. I have started a Facebook Page (St Kentigerns Cemetery, Lambhill, Glasgow) to report my progress. I have completed section 16 (mostly opened in 1970's) and have photographed all of section 1, part of 2 and a small part of three.
My intention is photograph all of the sections by the end of the summer and use the winter months to transcribe the headstones and place them on an excel spreadsheet so as to be searchable.
Section 16 produced just over 1,000 names.
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That is a major undertaking, Chris! Good luck with it all :)
Monica
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Hi Chris5856,
Can I ask how awkward St Kentigern's is to navigate if you've never been? I have recently discovered I have various family members buried there ranging from the 1960s to 2010 but not sure whereabouts they are buried within the cemetery.
Looking forward to seeing the results of your project. :)
Does anyone know if there's a section 20?
Thanks
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Hi Chris5856,
Can I ask how awkward St Kentigern's is to navigate if you've never been? I have recently discovered I have various family members buried there ranging from the 1960s to 2010 but not sure whereabouts they are buried within the cemetery.
Looking forward to seeing the results of your project. :)
Does anyone know if there's a section 20?
Thanks
Hi there. Its easy enough. The roads are in good condition around it and that map is a great help for knowing your way around. If you give me some names, ill see if ive come across them?
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Thanks Chris.
I have Alexander & Mary Ann MacDonald who are in section 20 and Angus, Catherine & Angus McDonald who are in section 18 from what I found on the familysearch lair records. I also have a Donalda & John Jenkins who are buried in St Kentigerns but not sure if they are in beside Alexander & Mary as they died in 2008 & 2009 and not found any lair records for them.
Do you or anyone else know what the depth of opening refers to? is it the number of bodies it can hold or something totally different? Also, are lair records available to view for deaths in the 2000s?
Thank you
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Hi Chris5856,
That’s some task you’ve undertaken but I’m sure you’ll be getting a buzz out of it, through helping others who are too distant from Glasgow to be able to visit the cemetery in person.
I have family in St. Kentigern’s and would kindly ask if you could post a picture of their headstone if they have one and you come across them in the process of your project.
I have a Robert Docherty and wife Sarah (nee Duffy) in Section 2 Lair 2058, buried 1895 and 1888 respectively. I also have a George Lochrie in section 2 Lair 2587, buried 1906. I am not sure if there will have been headstones at either grave as the family will have been fairly poor but much appreciated if you could confirm if you have found any record of them in your completed Section 2 or if there is no headstone in place.
I also have the following in St Kentigern’s and would be grateful to hear if any readers exploring the various sections below come across any information that would help me.
Section 4 Lair 267 Henry Hughes buried 1921
Section 9 Lair 2573 Robert Docherty and wife Isabella (nee Ferguson) buried 1932 and 1940
Section 10 Lair 651 Robert Girvan and wife Annie (nee O’Hare) buried 1945 and 1932
Section 22 Lair 1430 William Docherty and wife Mary (nee Girvan) buried 1980 and 1974
I live in England now and haven’t had the chance to get up to Glasgow to search for myself.
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Hi Chris5856,
That’s some task you’ve undertaken but I’m sure you’ll be getting a buzz out of it, through helping others who are too distant from Glasgow to be able to visit the cemetery in person.
I have family in St. Kentigern’s and would kindly ask if you could post a picture of their headstone if they have one and you come across them in the process of your project.
I have a Robert Docherty and wife Sarah (nee Duffy) in Section 2 Lair 2058, buried 1895 and 1888 respectively. I also have a George Lochrie in section 2 Lair 2587, buried 1906. I am not sure if there will have been headstones at either grave as the family will have been fairly poor but much appreciated if you could confirm if you have found any record of them in your completed Section 2 or if there is no headstone in place.
I also have the following in St Kentigern’s and would be grateful to hear if any readers exploring the various sections below come across any information that would help me.
Section 4 Lair 267 Henry Hughes buried 1921
Section 9 Lair 2573 Robert Docherty and wife Isabella (nee Ferguson) buried 1932 and 1940
Section 10 Lair 651 Robert Girvan and wife Annie (nee O’Hare) buried 1945 and 1932
Section 22 Lair 1430 William Docherty and wife Mary (nee Girvan) buried 1980 and 1974
I live in England now and haven’t had the chance to get up to Glasgow to search for myself.
Im afraid I did not come across Robert & Sarah Docherty. So far Ive either not photographed or have not come across the names you ask for. I will look out for them when I do. Chris
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Thanks Chris.
I have Alexander & Mary Ann MacDonald who are in section 20 and Angus, Catherine & Angus McDonald who are in section 18 from what I found on the familysearch lair records. I also have a Donalda & John Jenkins who are buried in St Kentigerns but not sure if they are in beside Alexander & Mary as they died in 2008 & 2009 and not found any lair records for them.
Do you or anyone else know what the depth of opening refers to? is it the number of bodies it can hold or something totally different? Also, are lair records available to view for deaths in the 2000s?
Thank you
Im not sure what the depths refer to. Ive not come across the jenkins yet. Ill keep a look out for the names you mention and will be in touch if I come across them. Chris
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Hi Chris, i have since learned that the Jenkins members are buried in Sighthill Cemetery. I couldnt find a stone or marker for either MacDonald & McDonald members in St Kentigerns but definitely buried there.
Thanks
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Hi Chris5856,
That’s some task you’ve undertaken but I’m sure you’ll be getting a buzz out of it, through helping others who are too distant from Glasgow to be able to visit the cemetery in person.
I have family in St. Kentigern’s and would kindly ask if you could post a picture of their headstone if they have one and you come across them in the process of your project.
I have a Robert Docherty and wife Sarah (nee Duffy) in Section 2 Lair 2058, buried 1895 and 1888 respectively. I also have a George Lochrie in section 2 Lair 2587, buried 1906. I am not sure if there will have been headstones at either grave as the family will have been fairly poor but much appreciated if you could confirm if you have found any record of them in your completed Section 2 or if there is no headstone in place.
I also have the following in St Kentigern’s and would be grateful to hear if any readers exploring the various sections below come across any information that would help me.
Section 4 Lair 267 Henry Hughes buried 1921
Section 9 Lair 2573 Robert Docherty and wife Isabella (nee Ferguson) buried 1932 and 1940
Section 10 Lair 651 Robert Girvan and wife Annie (nee O’Hare) buried 1945 and 1932
Section 22 Lair 1430 William Docherty and wife Mary (nee Girvan) buried 1980 and 1974
I live in England now and haven’t had the chance to get up to Glasgow to search for myself.
Im afraid I did not come across Robert & Sarah Docherty. So far Ive either not photographed or have not come across the names you ask for. I will look out for them when I do. Chris
Thanks Chris
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Hi All,
I just wanted to say thank you as some of the maps and other advice on this thread have proved very helpful. My grandparents and great-grandparents plus a number of other close relates are buried in St Kentigern's and I've been able to locate approx 20 graves (approx 50 relatives total) and document their locations. All still have headstones although some of the older ones aren't looking great.
I've recently discovered a my great-grandfather's first wife (not my great-grandmother) was buried in Lair 992 in Section 1, buried 28 Sep 1898. I am hoping to get a chance to visit the cemetery soon to see if a headstone still exists but I'm not sure how hopeful I am of finding one after so long, or even being able to locate the lair if there are few remaining stones in the area.
Does anyone have much knowledge of the layout of Section 1 and might have suggestions towards finding Lair 992?
Michael
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Just following up on my last post. I was able to track Lair 992 to approx co-ordinates 55.89923 N 4.27393 W, looking down the hill into the cemetery. Sadly, there was no headstone. The nearest intact headstone on the left was 984 though it has fallen. The nearest standing on the left was 983. The nearest intact headstone on the right was 1013 though it has fallen. The nearest standing on the right was 1016.
Overall, I have found 60 relatives buried in 19 lairs in the cemetery, 16 of which have headstones.
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Hello, would anyone happen to know if there is still a headstone at the lair in the attachment?
Bridgets last name is McIvor and i think there is another burial in there too now.
I am going to be in Glasgow later in the year and wanted to know what, if anything I would find!
Many thanks.
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Hooray,
I've found my great-grandmother's grave. I visited St Kentigerns this week along with 3 family members who came from Ireland. After over 2 hours of searching and help from 2 grave diggers we found it.
We were very overwhelmed.
My next question is does anyone know how to find out who owns the deeds??and can you find out who would have erected the headstone??
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Have you used Family Search before. If not, it is free to sign in and open an account.
When you sign in, have a look at the records here www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853?availability=Family History Library Cemetery records for St. Kentigern's Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Glasgow, 1882-2000
It takes a a little while to get familiar with the databases and manage your way through it. There is no search option so you have to select the right period you want for the year your G Grandmother died and look through it till you get to the entry you are looking for.
Hope it was after 1882, as this is the start year for these records.
Good luck with the search :)
Monica
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Thank you Monica