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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: cispt2 on Monday 07 February 11 04:46 GMT (UK)
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I'm an Australian living in America, but helping an English family with a genealogy problem - so I'm at a disadvantage!
I'm chasing a very elusive girl named Alice BRIGHT.
In the 1911 census she was 17, single, a domestic servant, born at The Wyche, Malvern.
So she was born abt 1893/1894.
In 1914 she had a child, and registered her name as Alice Bright.
We can't find her in the 1901 census (and I've read through a few hundred pages of the census in the area), and a civil registration can't be found for an Alice Bright in the area. Nothing is known of her before or after the above two points (1911 and 1914).
And so we're looking to baptism entries. It's a little confused but after searches in a few areas (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419383.0.html) it has been suggested that the Wyche area people were often baptised at the 'Great Malvern Priory'.
If someone has access to these indexes, would they mind checking the Great Malvern Priory for an Alice BRIGHT abt 1894?
We're running out of options! (At least till the 2021 census release).
Many thanks,
matt
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Hi Matt,
Not sure if it is of any relevance, but the only Alice Bright I can find born in 1914 March quarter, was in Coventry, and her mothers maiden name shows as Allbright.
This is from freebmd uk. Sorry I don't have access to Ancestry or anything, so I can't look further.
Julie
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Hi Matt
I've had a look at the Great Malvern Priory baptism register for you. Although Alice wasn't baptised there, it looks as if she had a brother Arthur William Bright who was baptised, on June 14 1896, son of Henry and Catherine Bright. Abode the Wyche. Father's occupation - Labourer. I checked the baptisms from 1890 to 1901. Arthur was the only Bright.
Now you have Arthur's name and his parents perhaps you'll be able to find them on the 1901 census.
HTH
Nemo
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Thank you so much Nemo - this is a great lead. I'll be following up on it. It looks like this couple had a lot of children prior to 1891. But the 1896 birth shows they were still producing issue -from what can tell Catherine (Kate) died in 1897 the year after the baptism you uncovered.
Thank you again!
cheers,
matt
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Quick question Nemo,
The family were at Hanley Wells in 1891 and had children prior to (and perhaps after) that date at this location. Can you tell me anything about whether there is a parish church (baptisms?) at this location? Genuki seems a little uninformative on these villages and it's difficult to tell whether they were large enough to support a parish church.
cheers,
matt
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Hi Matt
I don’t recognise the name “Hanley Wells” but the parish of Hanley did stretch up to the Wyche and included Holy Well. In 1836 the church of St Peter’s Malvern Wells was built, so it is likely your Bright family were baptised there. If not then I guess St Gabriels, Hanley Swan, or St Mary’s, Hanley Castle.
This map shows you the location and extent of the nearby parishes
http://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/website/ParishRegister/
As you’ll see from the above webpage, the History Centre in Worcester holds a microfilm of the Malvern Wells, St Peters baptisms. I may be going there next week, and if so, I'll at the film.
Nemo
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Hi Nemo I'm an idiot - they were at "Harnley Castle" in 1891.
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Make that HANLEY CASTLE ;D
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Thanks Emjaybee. So Hanley Castle in 1891 and Mathon in 1901.
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Hi Matt
Bit of setback. I checked St Gabriel's, Hanley Swan and St Mary's, Hanley Castle and Alice wasn't baptised at either of those churches. The History Centre only has a film of the burials at St Peter's, Malvern Wells, so you will need to contact the incumbent. I'll send you a pm with the vicar's email address.
The History Centre staff are going to get the Record Office website changed to show that they have a film of the burials not the baptisms.
Nemo
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Not sure if it's relevant but I found a T Bright living at Dales Cottage, Old Wyche Rd in 1928.
Also there is Sarah Ann A Bright registered Upton Mar 1/4 1894 - have you discounted her?
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Thank you netti. Yes thanks to the info on this chat and the 1891/1901 censuses I have a feeling that Sarah Ann A might be a match - and I believe the certificate has been ordered. There's a parallel search for the associated baptism just in case the A isn't written out in full (as Alice we hope). Trying to also uncover this person in the 1901 census in the meantime.
cheers,
matt
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Been a long time, but we know a little more now.
Sarah Ann Alice BRIGHT (called Alice) died 24th Sep 1920.
Alice died at "Isolation Hospital Hill Top Bromsport WD" , and lived at "No 1 Upper Chase Road Malvern W.D."
Full death cert can be found here: https://randomfh.blogspot.com/2012/01/death-certificate-of-alice-bright-1894.html?q=alice+bright
I'd like to find out where her funeral and burial were. Anyone have access to Priory other other funeral/burial indexes in Malvern?
Perhaps Isolation Hospital Hill Top is a distance from Malvern? If so, possibly there is a nearby church? Any advice greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Matt
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Looking at the death cert she died in the Bromsgrove Reg District at the Isolation Hosp, Hill Top, Bromsgrove U D (Urban District)- quite a distance from Malvern - presumably as she died of TB
Kay
Added http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F149084
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=376&page=27
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This is a map showing the isolation hosp https://maps.nls.uk/view/101586088#zoom=4&lat=1916&lon=5381&layers=BT
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Thanks Kay! Based on its location, do you have any suggestions about the closes church/cemetery for burials? How far is it from Malvern?
Any advice on how to check Malvern funeral/burial records in the week after her death would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
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The isolation hospital is about 25 miles from Malvern but I noticed that the informant at the time of Sarah's death was her aunt Sarah Ann Palmer who lived in Droitwich (7 miles from Bromsgrove)
The location of her burial/cremation might be in Bromsgrove or Malvern or relate to where her nearest family were living at the time. :-\ If her aunt Sarah Ann Palmer was her closest relative possibly this might mean Droitwich is also a possibility.
Kay
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Thanks Kay - so before I go off on this mission - do you know whether church records for 1920 are generally accessible? You points are good - I know the family had some events at Malvern Priory, and i think Droitwich is a good point. I don't know if people who died at the Isolation Hospital were considered infectious after death - this may have affected where they were buried.
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Church records are available at the Hive in Worcester as Nemo posted before http://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/website/ParishRegister/
Kay